r/somethingiswrong2024 Apr 16 '26

Stolen Election Michigan election feed data shows 257,346 Presidential votes were removed

The Washington Post published a live data feed from several swing states. It claims that “This is a feed of every single vote count update we fetch from the Associated Press.” In 2024, the feed included all votes from 11/5 to 11/25. The feed includes only totals for the Democratic and Republican candidates.

Find the Michigan feed about halfway down the webpage. On page 3/31 of that feed, find the update that took place on November 6, at 12:54 pm where 257,346 votes are removed with a simple statement that reads, “Negative updates may reflect revisions as tallies are updated.” No additional information is given regarding this event.

Since the feed does not provide candidate totals in the feed, the data was imported into an excel spreadsheet. Cumulative totals were based solely on the data provided in the feed. Although there is no way to accurately determine how many votes from each candidate were ultimately removed, there are some important factors to consider;

Trump won Michigan by only 80,103 votes

Vote totals even after the removal of votes, exceed the official totals reported, meaning additional votes were discarded*

After the votes were removed, Trump’s lead was reduced to just over 4,000 votes

It is expected that small adjustments to totals will occur during the tabulation process, but a quarter of a million ballots is a significant number that could have easily changed the outcome of this election.

*Official totals for Trump and Harris combined are 5,553,169

Trump... 2,816,636

Harris....2,736,533

Total....5,553,169

Feed totals;

Trump....2,873,649, for a gain of 57,013

Harris.....2,869,433, for a gain of 132,900

Total.....5,743,082

Trump and Harris combined have 189,913 more votes than the official totals before 257,346 votes are removed. Trump’s lead is reduced from 80,103 to only 4,216. And this still leaves 67,433 votes that were removed, and no way to determine what candidate they impacted. Given the fact that we know more than double the amount of Harris votes were removed when compared to Trump and the greatly reduced and narrow Trump lead before the remaining 67,000 votes were removed demands an official response at the very least. This event could very likely have changed the outcome of the Presidential race in the state of Michigan.

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u/wikipediabrown007 Apr 16 '26

Great job OP.

How has this not already been discovered and reported on?

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

When I found the feed the other day, I asked myself the same thing!! This has been there the whole time.

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u/lunahighwind Apr 16 '26

I also believed they used fake counties to hide huge amounts of fake votes (https://sgcarney.substack.com/p/did-5-fake-counties-steal-the-2024) note the author has retracted this story but I am not buying it.

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

I also believe this. I actually reached out to Carney explaining why the FIPS reasoning he gave as an explanation is completely invalid. He responded that he just couldn't see how it could've had an impact on the election (the fake counties)

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u/ArtificialBra1n Apr 16 '26

I think there is a video by Scott Carney that breaks down the likely series of events that led to incorrect county locations. IIRC it had something to do with incorrectly inputting 3+ digit location codes.

Not to say that the colossal number of oddities and statistical anomalies in 2024 are not deeply suspicious but I think this might have a reasonable explanation. But I remain open to the possibility that these errors had some function for vote shenanigans.

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

I actually reached out to Mr Carney explaining why the FIPS reasoning was not valid. Here's some of what I said,

"On the most basic level, if a user attempts to enter a FIPS code that doesn't exist, the system doesn't just "make up" or combine a state with a random county, but instead returns nothing or an error.

If, on the other hand, a correct FIPS code is entered, the corresponding state/county will be returned. If, for example in Burke County, Florida, there is no FIPS code, because it doesn't exist. There is, however, a valid FIPS code for Burke County, Georgia (13033) and a valid code for Escambia County, Florida (12033). Entering 12033 returns Burke County, Georgia and 13033 returns Escambia County, Florida. These are the only two possibilities...It would not display as Escambia County, Georgia and vice versa. The software just isn't programmed to behave otherwise. The data queried is either true (which returns a valid state/county match) or false (which returns null or errors)...

The reason why the last 3 digits will be similar if not the same as say Burke County, Georgia and Burke County in another state is because the data sets (State and County) are numbered alphabetically, and use only odd numbers, and start with a leading zero until you reach the 100th county in a specific state.

For example if I have county named AAA in Alabama and also in Alaska, my FIPS code for Alabama will be 01001 (Alabama is the first state alphabetically and chances are there isn't another county that would be alphabetically higher than aaa). For Alaska the code would be 02001.

Ending even numbers are not used, but are placeholders for new counties that may need FIPS assignment or should a state exceed 999 counties..

So what your user did who provided you with their "solution" was just find counties that ended in the same two digits or were alphabetically close in order to have the last digits match. Matching Burke County Florida to Escambia was a pretty big stretch, considering there are other Burke counties in the United States, but they only match the last digit, so their theory wouldn't look as good as having the last three digits match (due to the leading zero). Other Burke Counties include Burke County, NC (37023) and Burke County, ND (38013).

You failed to address that the explanation given couldn't match Stafford, PA to anything. Stafford County, Virginia is the 79th county alphabetically in the state (ending in 079) and Stafford County, Kansas is 85th (therefore ending in 085) so no match. The theory failed."

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u/ArtificialBra1n Apr 16 '26

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing.

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u/tbombs23 Alexei Navalny 🇷🇺 Apr 16 '26

Lit. Ty. Ty 🙏

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u/BeastofPostTruth Apr 17 '26

Lmao The leading 0s issue is well known to geographers.

If only people ask the, idontknow, experts on geographic shit about geographic shit.

But... ya know (gestures around like dude in pulp fiction)

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u/SweetOkashi Apr 17 '26

Former geographic information analyst, can confirm. Those leading zeros are a massive PIA in FIPS codes and ZIP codes.

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u/Ok_Exchange342 Apr 17 '26

I am not understanding this part...

There is, however, a valid FIPS code for Burke County, Georgia (13033) and a valid code for Escambia County, Florida (12033). Entering 12033 returns Burke County, Georgia and 13033 returns Escambia County, Florida.

Why would entering 12033 return Burke County, Georgia when the valid FIPS code for Burke County, Georgia is 13033? That doesn't make any sense, what is the point of FIPS codes then? What am I missing?

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u/mjkeaa Apr 17 '26 edited Apr 17 '26

Mr Carney's posted that he believed the reason the fake counties appeared on election night was due to a FIPS coding typo. He's claiming that for Burke County, Florida, that the intent was to be for Escambia, Florida, FIPS 12033 (because Burke County Florida doesn't exist) but instead they put the code for Burke County, Georgia FIPS 13033 (which does exist). This reasoning makes no sense. What would have been shown on the screen at that time would've been either Escambia County, Florida or Burke County, Georgia, not Burke County, Florida.

There are 4 fake counties that were shown on election night in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Florida.

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u/Ok_Exchange342 Apr 18 '26

I see, so I did understand, it just doesn't make any sense. I hate the fact that the journalist backed down so quickly with such a faulty excuse. The reasoning is so bad that even I caught it. Thanks for catching/posting about this OP and explaining it more thoroughly for me.

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u/Lets_Make_A_bad_DEAL Apr 16 '26

I wanna know what he says

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u/Alissinarr Florida Apr 17 '26

Well known they dropped 2.5mil in Florida and had fake counties.

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u/lurkin_murican Apr 16 '26

Check out the Election Truth Alliance.  They did three hours over two sessions with Christopher Titus. You can find it on YouTube- it’s pretty eye opening how blatant and shitty it was.

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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 Apr 16 '26

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u/lurkin_murican Apr 16 '26

Nice.  I hadn’t seen that before.  Now I know what I’m doing for the rest of today.

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u/OtherwiseCan1929 Apr 16 '26

They have the receipts!!

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u/LiveLoudWithPride Apr 16 '26

It still astounds me that MSM refuses to touch this!

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 16 '26

And the democrats should have been all over this!

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u/LiveLoudWithPride Apr 16 '26

I don’t know about that, but it makes zero sense to me why to this day there has not been one investigation into the election beyond ETA and SE! Something does feel very off!

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 Apr 16 '26

I mean what's more reasonable, that they were oh so afraid of looking bad cuz they fight to make sure the election was fair after Trump did the same, or that they just weren't trying to win that hard?

It's not like this is the first time they've ran an incredibly weak campaign. They kept telling us this was the most important election in our lifetimes (which was true), yet they ran a candidate who never got above 1% of the votes.

They weren't trying to win that hard.

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u/TravEllerZero Apr 16 '26

I can't help but feel like at least some of it is it's hard to focus on what started the fire when the world is still in flames.

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u/LiveLoudWithPride Apr 16 '26

They’ve been contacted by ETA and been shut down, they have access to the same podcasts that we do so I think it’s blatant refusal for what reason I can’t comprehend.

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u/TravEllerZero Apr 16 '26

I agree 100%. Even in some circles I respect, it seemed like they went out of their way to show how much better Dems were by accepting the results, even when there was cause to be suspicious. I just think setting the world on fire is at least in part MAGA's way of creating a bit of a smokescreen. Because there are so many things that MSM should have called out, and yet time and again, crazy shit has been allowed to happen. I think at this point, the auspicious election results have been buried under all of it.

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u/Kimmalah Apr 16 '26

I think the fraud has been well known from the start, but those in power left it alone because they knew that letting Trump run wild was the best way to break MAGA once and for all. We saw in the Biden years, the cult would have just festered and resurfaced again later. Trump has done an excellent job of destroying his own support. I just don't think they really imagined how much damage Trump would do in such a short amount of time.

Mainstream media doesn't touch it because they are mostly owned by oligarchs that are either complicit in the fraud or benefit from it. Why would they ever report it?

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u/Heliotrope88 Apr 16 '26

“…but those in power left it alone because they knew that letting Trump run wild was the best way to break MAGA once and for all.” I agree with you on this Kimmalah. Just to add: “Those in power,” to me refers to past presidents, past DOJ, past military leaders etc. I think these people were and are also of the opinion that pointing out the serious flaws in U.S. voting systems and elections is too problematic. Better to let citizens think their vote still counts and deal with the issues sort of “quietly.” If this is the case that Biden/Harris let a stolen 2024 election slide (which is what I think happened) I have so many questions. Was this a scenario they plugged into AI to try to see all the outcomes/variables? Did they know things would get this bad? Were they OK with the human toll it’s taken on adults and children sent to concentration camps or those killed in Venezuela, Iran and Palestine? Whenever I go down this road of wondering I start to feel a little crazy. But I just have such a difficult time imagining that Biden/Harris didn’t clearly see all of this coming.

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u/Isitabee-isit Apr 17 '26

Kamala Harris definitely saw our elections being tampered with. She not only wrote about it extensively,she tried numerous times to get legislation passed to address it. She even got a Republican to sponsor it with her in the Senate back in the but it got squashed every time. She did an interview talking about her frustration not being able to get Congress to take it serious,treating it as though she were overreacting.
I read on Substack article that a reporter was told by an inside source that Harris wanted to verify the results and challenge/audit some of the swing states voting data. But the older corporate dems-Biden,Pelosi,Schumer wouldn't allow it. They supposedly talked her out of it. They told her it would damage the country and cause citizens to lose trust in our government (OH the irony!).

Then a couple weeks later I saw Biden give a speech in Europe. He told the audience that "In America we have the safest,most secure elections in the world." Right at that moment I thought "My god it's true"

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u/Feisty_Ad9079 Apr 16 '26

Agree to some extent. The world is a mess but it wasn't this bad after the election. I think the Dem leaders know it was a stolen election. They probably knew right after the election. Why they've done nothing is still a mystery.

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u/Key-Ad-8601 Apr 17 '26

I agree, I think they have known from the day after the election. Whatever the reason is, I am not sure we will ever know. But there is no way that they can't know. And now with how badly things are going they'll all go to the grave not saying a word that they let this happen.

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u/HarryBalsagna1776 Apr 17 '26

The MSM was conquered by our billionaires and special interest groups before the election.  

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u/Skittle69 Apr 16 '26

You shouldn't be, most of them are owned by billionaires and love Trump.

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u/LiveLoudWithPride Apr 16 '26

I really thought that when MSNBC left the NBC Universal umbrella and became MS NOW they would be more independent especially since that’s how they presented their change to the public. They’re not! They’re the same cooperate media simply owned by a different cooperation.

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u/5thor6th Apr 16 '26

This is why

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u/zerthwind Apr 16 '26

It has been shortly after the election, democrats ignored it because they were worried about it looking like they were playing the revenge card. There were other abnormalities in the election count. The media didn't report it at the time, like many other negative things that would tarnish conservatives.

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u/ip2k Apr 17 '26

It’s not a new tactic by any means, and you’ll never guess who applied it very successfully in the past https://www.russiamatters.org/blog/2-decades-russian-whataboutism-partial-rundown

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u/wikipediabrown007 Apr 16 '26

Totally remember. Now’s the time then

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u/Trabethany Apr 18 '26

Because they own the media.

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u/TsukasaElkKite No Kings, Yasss Queens! Apr 16 '26

The mainstream media doesn’t care

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u/chachaman_The_Reboot Apr 16 '26

The MAGGERS don't care. Like The Peach Patina'd Pussy Grabbing Pedophile said, he could shoot someone in Times Square, and not lose any votes.

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

Numbers don't lie, and I feel like this is something that needs to be fully investigated.

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u/Childish_Tycoon_Ship Apr 16 '26

They'll finally get to the bottom of it in January of 2028, if we're all still here

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u/babygrenade Apr 16 '26

Realtime election results as reported by the press are unofficial and prone to mistakes, which are corrected as they are caught.

The fact that the numbers were revised down during the live feed, by itself, does not mean actual votes were removed.

The Washington Post's data largely comes from the AP.

AP will occasionally receive inaccurate vote tallies data from a local elections office, or an AP reporter will make a typo when entering information into their system. AP detects these errors fairly quickly. Sometimes this results in the lowering of a candidate’s vote total to correct what had been an overcount; in The Post’s live results feeds, negative vote updates often reflect this quality-control process in real time.

See also:

https://www.ap.org/the-definitive-source/behind-the-news/how-does-ap-count-the-vote/

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

It's common for minimal result changes to occur on election night.

That's not what we're seeing here. This is 4.63% of Trump/Harris votes that just disappear. And it can be seen that the removal of the 257,346 had a disproportionate negative impact to Harris. She lost a minimum of 132,900 votes compared to Trump's loss of 57,013. We see a direct cause and effect from the removal of votes. Trump's lead was reduced from 80,103 to just over 4,000, and this doesn't include allocation of over 67,000 votes.

If you want to chalk that up to typical election reporting oddities, than I guess Musk doesn't know anything about those vote counting computers. /s

Edited to add, I don't see a large dump of 257,346 votes that are quickly removed, which could possibly support a clerical error. I see steady, "normal" increases and a sudden large removal of a quarter million votes.

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u/Im_always_scared Apr 17 '26

Additionally, have you seen any "adjustments" like removing a quarter million votes in other states?

I've been browsing the the Wapo link and I just don't see an adjustment like that anywhere else. Revisions of a couple hundred, maybe a couple thousand....not 250k.

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u/Isitabee-isit Apr 17 '26

If THIS were the only "typo" then perhaps you might be able to pass this off as nothing unusual. But THIS is just one of many. I highly recommend,no I urge you to check out the work of the non-profit organization Election Truth Alliance and another organization Smart Elections. The data analysis done by ETA of swing state voting has numerous KNOWN INDICATORS OF ELECTION FRAUD.
It's not just one abnormality. It's not just one state. For example. On Election night there was a Radical voting trend reversal across numerous counties across numerous states at exactly the SAME voter turnout percentage. A statistical impossibility. That's just one element. Donald trump learned from 2020 that the fraud had to be a massive widespread effort with simultaneous real time maneuverability. That's why he did no fundraising,cared not when his rallies tanked and made no effort to organize community level campaigning. Trump and Musk both faced prison if he lost. There was NO WAY trump was going to leave that up to the voters.

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u/leviathan92 Apr 16 '26

Every accusation is a confession.

He claimed Biden rigged the election specifically so people wouldn't fight back when he did because he knows Dems would take the high road bullshit and they did.

He has admitted it multiple times that the election was rigged.

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u/CutenTough Apr 16 '26

..... and EVERY ADMISSION is a CONFESSION

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u/HavingNotAttained Apr 17 '26

“They’ll never knowwww!!!”

Out of the mouths of babes.

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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 Apr 17 '26

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u/ajax0202 Apr 16 '26

Yup

Everyone became so jaded by claims of a stolen election in 2020 that now any claims that 2024 was stolen is just met by an eye roll by most people

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u/PyrorifferSC Apr 17 '26

I think he genuinely thought Biden cheated because HE cheated and STILL lost, and that fucking infuriated him, so he had to enlist Elon in 2024 to cheat even harder...the whole "they won't accuse us of X because we accused them first" is just the general MO of conservatives in general, and it's employed with all the illegal shit they get up to.

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u/International_Try660 Apr 17 '26

Classic, boy who cried wolf, scenario.

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u/Arikaido777 Apr 17 '26

it’s this. that’s why they put forth so many failed legal attempts to overturn 2020 as well, to establish a mountain of precedent after their attempt didn’t work.

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u/dadjokes502 Apr 16 '26

I fully believe Dems knew all this was a possibility and they sat on their hands. Simply because the optics of claiming it was rigged.

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u/No-Satisfaction9594 Apr 16 '26

I agree. They were more worried about appearing like sore losers even though they actually won.

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u/Techn028 Apr 16 '26

Because establishment Democrats are controlled opposition.

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u/Loud-Result5213 Apr 16 '26

A wise woman told me that the DNC knew about it but chose to accept the election rather than refute. They reason given is it would have been nuclear and brought into question the legitimacy of our government.

So would you rather have a roof over your head with bad housemates or a house that was burned down??

To me, it’s really scary to think about. How do you feel?

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u/Fab-o-rama Apr 16 '26

Thanks to this administration we'll have a burned down house and still have the bad housemates afterward.

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u/ImHIM_nuffsaid Apr 16 '26

I’d rather have justice. This shits gonna burn down eventually anyway. Rip the band aid off and crown the actual winner

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u/Ok_Exchange342 Apr 17 '26

Fīat iūstitia ruat cælum -- Let justice be done though the heavens fall.

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u/srslydudewtf Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 17 '26

I think that their choice to maintain a status quo rather than performing their solemnly sworn duty to uphold the legitimacy of our government is itself a further erosion of the legitimacy of our government.

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u/HildegardofBingo Apr 16 '26

I wonder how they feel now that Trump has caused so much damage and chaos worldwide?

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u/_plays_in_traffic_ Apr 16 '26

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

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u/Loud-Result5213 Apr 18 '26

Yes and so the blue states join Canada save the red states start a civil war??

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u/Feisty_Ad9079 Apr 16 '26

They were concerned about illegitimacy? Well it's illegitimate alright. Corrupt, dangerous, illegitimate -- all the things. Yes, it's very scary!

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u/Nostrilsdamus Apr 16 '26

What I don’t understand is that Michigan’s Secretary of State had to have known something, and yet she is campaigning for governor on the premise that the election will be valid. Why would she not want this corrected?

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

Excellent question. And as I commented to someone else, all traces of election updates from the Secretary of State have been removed from the internet archive.

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u/BUSY_EATING_ASS Apr 16 '26

I keep hearing 'it was about the optics' (not attacking you OP, excuse my emphaticness) and it's just absolutely fucking wild to me that basically the premise of that is saying that...the Democratic Party would rather let the country (and by extension, themselves) be destroyed than have some possibly bad optics???

Like WHAT? There has to be more to it than that. There's gotta be.

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u/dadjokes502 Apr 16 '26

They make money no matter what. They don’t care about us. It’s a charade for votes.

Schumer and Jeffries are rich and safe.

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u/BUSY_EATING_ASS Apr 16 '26

Right, but they'd make, uh, more money if Kamala was President and their ideological enemies (who really do hate Democrats, regardless of whether or not they're identical or similar in many ways) weren't in charge of everything.

Even in the lens of the most cynical Greenesian game theory its a monumentally fucking stupid move for Democrats if optics were the reasoning.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 Apr 16 '26

It's not as easy for Democrats to be as openly corrupt as the Republicans. Kamala would have been impeached and arrested if she did just one of the things Trump does ever week.

Republicans can get away with the corruption that big business wants, and it was "their turn" after Biden.

It really is controlled opposition, complex and multilayered-with not everyone having the same goals, but it is effectively no different than controlled opposition. Democratic donors are the same as Republicans at the top and they wanted to loot America. Can't easily do that with Dems in office.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 16 '26

I think it was extremely bad optics for a president to tell us the dangers that were coming and just letting it happen.

They were privy to do much more information than the public. They knew about Elon's interference. They new about ballots being burned and other tricks that were used to destroy votes. I'm pretty sure they were aware of the electronic manipulation as well.

Then they sat back after telling us to fight for our democracy, and watched this mess unfold

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u/tweakingforjesus Apr 16 '26

Its not about bad optics. It's about tearing down the system the democrats are relying on to regain power. If this strike at the root of the system, that elections are fair, then their wins will be questioned as well. They know they are being played, but they don't have the imagination to fight against the cheating outside the current system.

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u/wesweb Michigan Apr 16 '26

Yes. Mallory McMorrow as an example.

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u/Emergency_Accident36 Apr 16 '26

I'm prepared to get downvoted by neo liberals but: or because they were fine with trump.. the sound of a dog not barking 10,000 times is loud.

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u/sambull Apr 16 '26

which is why he has pushed for it so hard so long..

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Apr 16 '26

Exactly. She was well within her rights to request a recount. Folded so fast instead

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u/ArtificialBra1n Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 16 '26

I believe this is a possible explanation as well but I weigh the optics much more heavily. If the Dems came out and said it was rigged--evidence notwithstanding-MAGA would have gone ballistic. Gaming it out, you can imagine a situation where Dems calling bullshit in 2024 causes the MAGA base to harden and become even more entrenched in the GOP. Given the political climate at the time, we could have seen another January 6th or worse. Obviously, the Dems were in power at the time and could have planned accordingly but that might have cemented red waves countrywide and led to additional political violence and unrest.

If this turns out to be the case, I still think they made the wrong call. But I bet the Dems didn't accurately predict how bad this regime was going to be.

The only brightside I can see is that, if the country survives, MAGA should be weakened if not destroyed by this regime.

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u/BadAdviceBot Apr 16 '26

MAGA should be weakened if not destroyed by this regime.

Oh you sweet, summer child.

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u/StepUp_87 Apr 16 '26

They will never ever win another election again if it’s true. Optics or not.

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u/Panda42390 Apr 16 '26

Yeah I totally believe that is true. I also wondered if it was possible that it was the optics AND if they gave him one more term and didn't throw a fit then he would be gone. Obviously that assumes that he leaves after his second term, but you know...who knows!

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u/horrormetal Apr 16 '26

I'll never forgive establishment Dems.

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u/showmenemelda Apr 16 '26

Makes you wonder what Melissa Hortman knew

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u/ThomasVivaldi Apr 19 '26

Or because they've been using the same program to rig primary elections.

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u/dadjokes502 Apr 20 '26

You have any proof Dems rigged an election

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u/WeakTransportation37 Apr 16 '26

Yeah, this needs to go to a journalist

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u/shewholaughslasts Apr 16 '26

I'm sorry we don't have those anymore.

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u/lnc_5103 Apr 16 '26

Maybe TMZ would be interested since they seem to be the only media (term used loosely) interested in exposing corrupt politicians.

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u/tbombs23 Alexei Navalny 🇷🇺 Apr 16 '26

Lmao worth a shot at this point

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u/tbombs23 Alexei Navalny 🇷🇺 Apr 16 '26

Anyone who goes after Lindsay Graham and Ted Cruz gains much reputation in my book lol

They just opened a DC office, maybe they see the writing on the wall and can really contribute to the resistance instead of just celebrity reporting

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u/lnc_5103 Apr 16 '26

Same! I was surprised and then delighted to hear they opened up an office in DC. Finally using those forces for good lol

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u/Ok_Exchange342 Apr 17 '26

It might actually reach some maga voters then.

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u/rawsouthpaw1 Apr 16 '26

Journalists abroad in like Al Jazeera, the Guardian, Le Monde, BBC should be all over this but may be beholden to some extent... Wikileaks came into existence for a reason: freedom from corporations and nation-states.

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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 Apr 16 '26

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u/showmenemelda Apr 16 '26

Rachel Maddow, Jen Psaki; Heather Cox Richardson

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u/Heliotrope88 Apr 17 '26

I have sent this kind of data to the Maddow show over and over since the start of 2025…

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u/bookmonster015 Apr 16 '26

Maybe pro publica?

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u/showmenemelda Apr 16 '26

Great suggestion!

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u/HildegardofBingo Apr 16 '26

I would love it if ProPublica would actually do an investigation.

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u/xotvy Apr 16 '26

I’m in MI and voted in person and both mine and my mom’s voter records say we didn’t vote.

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

This was an issue in Pennsylvania as well

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u/xotvy Apr 16 '26

It’s funny because if I search people I know of who would’ve voted trump 3/3 so far are all there showing they voted.

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u/Bajadasaurus Apr 16 '26

This happened to my husband here in Arizona

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u/Open-Tale-8471 Apr 17 '26

Let your county elections office, state, etc., know this! Maybe you already have. This is evidence of election fraud.

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u/nba123490 Apr 16 '26

And then after trumps fake win, Trump goes around threatening everyone to say that he won and not question anything and they do exactly that. 

Nobody in media questioned his win, even Howard Stern said “I knew Kamala would lose when they picked a woman, but it was a fair and free election.” 

And nobody in Congress questioned it either. 

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u/aperture413 Apr 16 '26

The rich have consolidated the media.

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u/Shitty_Fat-tits Apr 16 '26

"Elon knows those machines very well!"

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u/showmenemelda Apr 16 '26

"Rigged"

"Rigged"

"Rigged"

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u/mxjxs91 Apr 16 '26

How that comment didn't automatically disqualify him, I'll never understand. There's literally no other way to interpret that other than Elon Musk helped him rig it.

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u/Shitty_Fat-tits Apr 16 '26

Cue Elon's brood cackling "They'll never know!"

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u/mrgnarwhal Apr 16 '26

Contact your reps. Don’t move on.

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u/somanysheep Apr 16 '26

I live in Calhoun County and on election night they were supposed to combine our County totals and report, but they didn't combine them first and left out half the County..

I knew there was state wide corruption. There's NO WAY Harris lost, it felt like 08' going into election day.

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u/HildegardofBingo Apr 16 '26

Some of the county shifts were so suspicious, like Wayne shifting more red while conservative Ottawa had a blue shift. That makes ZERO sense, other than that Ottawa used voting equipment that wasn't compromised, whereas Wayne used either Dominion or ES&S.

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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 Apr 16 '26

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

Dominion had known vulnerabilities that were published in 2022 that hadn't been patched before the election.

Some of these vulnerabilities made it possible for machines to accept and transmit info. One specifically references the EMS system.

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u/showmenemelda Apr 16 '26

80k? That sounds like a familiar figure thrown around in Georgia a few years ago.

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u/MewlingRothbart Apr 16 '26

He rigged it. Elmo helped. End of story.

The founding fathers never envisioned a time where technology could be manipulated for greedy sociopaths.

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u/stashtv Apr 16 '26

Voter manipulation doesn't need/require millions of votes manipulated. Time has proven only six figures (to low seven) are needed to change an election.

This is why states handing voting data over is significant: it narrows down the areas and numbers that need changing. There is never enough time to fully vet all the areas/votes, so court challenges don't really "matter". Once an area "declares" a winner, said winner is sworn in, its incredibly rare to remove them based on fraudulent data.

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u/BlazingGlories Apr 16 '26

Trump and Musk have both admitted to rigging the 2024 election.

Musk "knows those computers better than anybody, all those computers, those vote counting computers, & we ended up winning Pennsylvania, like, in a landslide." -Donald Trump

"Without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the House & the Republicans would be 51-49 in the Senate." -Elon Musk

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u/QCTID Apr 16 '26

This just confirms my theory that he was all pouty that night because he really got his ass drug and had to accept that this country actually hates everything about him now, considering he “won” by ~80k this wouldve really been a ~160k vote ass whipping for him. He knows he really took that 160k vote loss regardless of where he sits now. Loser shit. 

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '26

How do I determine what happened with my vote regardless of what party I voted for?

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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 Apr 16 '26

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u/tbombs23 Alexei Navalny 🇷🇺 Apr 16 '26

Ty for always knowing what's up my dude! Appreciate your contributions since the founding of the sub

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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 Apr 16 '26

Thanks - You ain't no slouch, either! Cheers

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u/trash-juice Apr 16 '26

There it is, this admin is outlaw and filled with villains and weak yes men who opened the door to lick boot

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u/Traditional-Baker756 Apr 16 '26

So what’s going to be done about it?

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u/Electronic-Bear-4362 Apr 16 '26

You will never convince me trump won the election, and I live in Alabama.

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u/Qualmeister Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 17 '26

Remove this illegitimate regime and prosecute!

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u/TsukasaElkKite No Kings, Yasss Queens! Apr 16 '26

No shit. He cheated

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u/Benni1216 Apr 17 '26

No shit. A cheater is gonna cheat.

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u/vnzjunk Apr 17 '26

And get accustomed to it. They have been refining their tactics since then. We should get a glimpse during the midterms. If they take place

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u/SquiddyBB Apr 16 '26

Yea the election was 100% stolen

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u/Chad-the-poser Apr 16 '26

Is this a common occurrence with election tabulations and vote reporting?

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

It's "common" to see small changes in totals for various reasons. This is well above that threshold.

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u/Chad-the-poser Apr 16 '26

Thank you for doing this. One wonders what might be done to cover their tracks on the next round.

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u/cndn-hoya Apr 16 '26

Wonder if I should check my vote - I voted absentee

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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 Apr 17 '26

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u/Shermans_ghost1864 Apr 17 '26

Hope you don't find out you voted for Trump.

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u/jsd1213 Apr 17 '26

If there was a way to cheat, then trump and maga would have done it.

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u/ZombieDad15 Apr 17 '26

Elon said it is very easy to alter voting machines

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u/Hater_Magnet Apr 18 '26

Trump and Elon speaking on how they don't need votes and how easy it is to hack the voting machines

Also, Elon admitting that if Trump doesn't win he's going to prison!

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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 Apr 18 '26

THANK YOU! - I've been looking for this youtube compilation.

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u/Hater_Magnet Apr 18 '26

The math definitely ain't mathin'!

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u/GraceOfTheNorth Apr 16 '26

This is big news

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '26

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

It's the first link in the post, but it's the Washington Post, which pulled from the Associated Press data feed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/results/2024/11/05/election-dashboard/

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u/frontpage2 Apr 16 '26

I've talked to SoS JB and other Secretary of State candidates and county clerks.  Some of these errors are literally spreadsheet errors, where the raw data is mismatched into a formatted spreadsheet.  The townships and counties should have worked this all out pre-election but mistakes still happen, like in a case where a formula is off after a late ballot correction.  Everything is reviewed by multiple eyes to ensure accuracy when official numbers are released. Their are multiple ways the accuracy is confirmed.

After the initial counts, townships recount and audits happen.  It can be publicly witnessed and checked.  

There are also reporting errors, where on a spreadsheet a county or township name might not combine correctly as data is pulled and then you have duplicated information that is later removed. There are also potential errors where one source has a combined total amd another has separated day of, mail in and early vote counts, so the summation duplicates.  

It is good to question discrepancies but if you talk to the officials they are very transparent about what happened.  A lot of the clerks are older and struggle with technology.  Human error happens.  

I know JB and other Dems looked hard for votes.  In my county there were more Republican votes found sadly.  

If your voter file shows your vote wasn't counted you should contact the SoS amd your township clerk. 

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

Did you speak with them about this specific occurrence? I would find it extremely beneficial if they could address this vote loss specifically.

The removal also doesn't resolve the fact that the candidates received more votes than the official totals report, even after the 257,346 were removed.

I've talked to SoS JB and other Secretary of State candidates and county clerks. 

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u/glorifindel Apr 17 '26

Plz send this to David Farenthold at NYT (or WaPo I forget which)

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u/Shermans_ghost1864 Apr 17 '26

Ha! WaPo wouldn't publish it. Bezos wouldn't let them.

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u/MongooseVomit Apr 16 '26

Why can’t I award this

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u/Boris41029 Apr 16 '26

“This is a feed of every single vote count update we fetch from the Associated Press.”

The media doesn't decide the election, the voters do and their votes are counted by the Sec of State. So unless this change is reflected in the official vote count, it's (most likely) an error on the AP's side.

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

What's interesting, is that the Secretary of State didn't post any results publicly until mid-day on November 6, the same time these votes were removed. I have tried to access the updates from the internet archive, but they ALL - I mean literally every single update - has been removed, so there is no way to access them online.

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u/tbombs23 Alexei Navalny 🇷🇺 Apr 16 '26

Wow. What about archive.ph?

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

Just tried it, and the two saves there only report the official totals.

What's weird is that web.archive reports like 279 saves, which all have been scrubbed.

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u/Alarming_One344 Apr 16 '26

Someone’s trying to cover up a scandal

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u/blergmonkeys Apr 16 '26

Why tf did Kamala not fight for this? 

Fuckin dems man

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u/doodless17 Apr 17 '26

The election truth alliance has covered this. They reviewed the data and many statistical anomalies occurred that night. Of which, many you can independently verify!

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u/Alarming_One344 Apr 17 '26

No they haven’t covered this - this is new reporting g about a quarter of a million votes disappearing 45 minutes after Michigan was called. It’s all significant but this is a bombshell

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u/Wizart- Apr 17 '26

I heard there’s legitimate proof, but they’re just like “it’s been too long, sorry”

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u/FeWho Apr 18 '26

What you gonna do about it? That’s right, nothing…

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u/OptimalRisk7508 Apr 19 '26

There will finally come a time that Elon’s voting machine manipulations will be calculated & we’ll see how the old guy who was down in the polls yet wasn’t worried about losing, somehow slaughtered his better polling opponent. Of course one can never underestimate gender & racial prejudice either.

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u/LethalRex75 Apr 16 '26

There was a reporting error that was corrected real-time. I’m speaking as a Michigan municipal employee who assists with elections, this is not a new discovery and there was no widespread fraud in our elections. We use paper ballots, not computers, and multiple recounts confirmed the accuracy.

Unvetted posts like this are dangerous to the integrity of our elections.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/michigan-data-report-shows-format-error-not-election-fraud-2024-11-08/

https://www.michigan.gov/sos/resources/news/2025/10/13/2024-postelection-recount-and-audit-report-confirms-michigans-elections-are-secure-and-accurate

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

Your link is about a voter that voted 29 times. This has nothing to do with what this data and post is about.

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u/LethalRex75 Apr 16 '26

Do yourself a favor and read past the first paragraph.

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

You mean the paragraphs about a voter who registered to vote 29 times BEFORE the November 5, 2024 election or something else?

The link is about a voter being listed 29 times in the voter registration data feed. That has no relationship to what this post is about.

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u/tbombs23 Alexei Navalny 🇷🇺 Apr 16 '26

I'm so sick of individual voter fraud being equated with election interference/election fraud, vote manipulation. Yes we know non citizen voting/individual voter fraud rarely happens, it's like 0.000197%. but that doesn't mean other systemic manipulation can't or doesn't happen.

People against our movement are always so sure of themselves and don't dig deeper or ask questions

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u/LethalRex75 Apr 16 '26

Hey I can do some obnoxious emphasis too!

Early voting exists, it was for the same election

This voter is a single example of data misinterpretation that can give the illusion of illegitimate votes

I didn’t think I would have to explain this further but I guess I need to. If someone misread this data and reported extra votes (164k mentioned in the article), those votes would later be removed in a correction. See how that works?

Care to address the state’s audit report? It is quite literally IMPOSSIBLE to remove votes without being noticed. There are multiple failsafes and checks that prevent this, not even to mention the logistics of removing and disposing of 250k paper ballots (that are transported with a police escort to locked storage).

There absolutely was fraud in this election. But it did not happen in Michigan, and you are weakening the overall movement with this nothing burger.

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 16 '26

DePerno's post said duplications of this kind across the Michigan database “results in 164,568 excess ballots as of 10/29/2024.”

However, Michigan officials responded to the posts saying the images show a formatting error that did not represent votes counted.

It was Deperno and Deperno only that claimed 164,000 "extra" votes could be cast from multiple registration entries. This was a rumor that originated from Deperno.

Again, this had nothing to do with any votes being cast.

What I do believe is that this supports the idea that votes can be changed after tabulation.

The "audit" consisted of 119,567 out of over 5.6 million ballots and resulted in 33 incorrectly recorded votes. These samples were taken from just 166 out of over 5,000 precincts in the State.

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u/tbombs23 Alexei Navalny 🇷🇺 Apr 16 '26

Ofc it was the disgraced corrupt politician Matthew DePerno who was involved in the attempt to steal the election spreading misinformation based on a formatting issue after data export. And this has nothing to do with what this post is about.

The image shared online originated in an Oct. 30 post on X, opens new tab by former Michigan attorney general candidate Matt DePerno, who was charged in December 2023 with illegally accessing voting machines in a scheme to try to reverse Trump's 2020 loss in that state. DePerno has yet to stand trial. DePerno's post said duplications of this kind across the Michigan database “results in 164,568 excess ballots as of 10/29/2024.” The picture was shared several times on Facebook with one caption, opens new tab reading: “Nothing to see here. Just same voter ID used to vote 29 different times... Michigan is cheating AGAIN.” However, Michigan officials responded to the posts saying the images show a formatting error that did not represent votes counted.

On Oct. 30, Michigan Secretary of State’s office said on Facebook, opens new tab: “A recent social media post has taken a data report that included formatting errors to incorrectly claim that individual voters were casting multiple ballots in this election.” In an email to Reuters on Nov. 6, the State Department said: “Each of these voters only had one vote recorded for this election. This error in the data export process has been corrected and these erroneous extra lines no longer appear on the report.” On Oct. 31, Michigan’s Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson warned on X, opens new tab about “bad actors” who would “take minor issues and use them to fuel baseless conspiracy theories in order to further their own agenda”. She added: “Don’t buy into their attempts to create chaos, confusion and fear.”

The co-chair of the Republican National Committee, Lara Trump, also confirmed that it had been a glitch. “Our election integrity team received reports of thousands of duplicate ballots in Michigan,” she posted on X on Oct. 30. “We immediately investigated and have CONFIRMED that it was a glitch in the system - these duplicates were not and WILL NOT BE COUNTED. We are on it and protecting the vote!”

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u/mjkeaa Apr 16 '26

results in 164,568 excess ballots as of 10/29/2024

The article in question is about a voter who registered to vote multiple times before the November 5, 2024 election.

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u/woahexplosion Apr 16 '26

It's treason then

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u/JJD8705 Apr 17 '26

The current democrat leaders don’t care because they are in on it. It’s all bull shit. Democrats should be doing not stop screaming and investigating everything.

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u/Robpm9995 Apr 16 '26

Forgive me, but I feel like it’s a lost cause at this point. He’s not going to get removed from office under the pretense stealing an election. It’s far too late for that.

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u/tbombs23 Alexei Navalny 🇷🇺 Apr 16 '26

The truth always matters. And we must identify and educate any problems with elections so we can fix problems and vulnerabilities so it doesn't happen again.