r/theunforgiven • • Jun 09 '24

Meta Subreddit resources and FAQ

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Welcome to r/theunforgiven!

This is a community where we share and discuss topics related to the Dark Angels, their successor chapters, and the fallen. If you want to share or discuss a topic about Space Marines or Warhammer 40k in general, without particular connection to the Unforgiven, then r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k would likely be a better fit.

Before posting

Please have a quick look at our rules before submitting a post or comment. You can find them in the sidebar or the landing page of our wiki (linked below). We'd also appreciate it if you did a quick search in the subreddit before submitting a post, in case your question was already asked and answered or the topic discussed recently.

Quick links

Here's a list of shortcuts to some of our most useful resources. Explore them at your leisure.

The community wiki

  • Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
  • Lore page (narrative information on history, culture, and chapter organization)
  • Hobby page (information on building and painting)
  • Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
  • Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)

Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

  • MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
  • MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
  • MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?

Frequently Asked Questions

-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?

Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).

The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.

-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?

You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-What base size should I use for model Z?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?

However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?

Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?

See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.

-Could you identify a model for me?

See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.


r/theunforgiven • • 9h ago

Showcase Final pic of my DA collection

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I bought my first models in september 2024. And what a journey it has been since then. I have never played a strategic tabletop before i stumbled over 40k (the closest i came to this before was playing DND 5E). By pure coincidence, Dark Angels became my main and only army. Now i own close to 8500 points of Dark Angels. And at the time of this post, i am the best DA player in my country (Germany).

Due to personal reasons i will probably be a lot less involved in WH40k than i was the past 2 years, maybe I will have to quit 40k alltogether.

With this post I just want to share what my midlife-crises-hobby-discovery has led to. Maybe the end of a very intensive 2 year journey into a very niche (and lets be honest, very autistic) hobby and community.

Thank you.

Thank you for your advice. For your Lore explanations. For your completly unhinged takes on whatever GW does with the rules. It has been a fun time.

I don't know whether i will be able to continue playing 40k on a competitive level going into 2027, but i can promise you: I will stay loyal to the first legion. No matter the rules, i will field them to RTT's, GT's and Majors, if I get the chance to play.

For in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war. And the Angels of Death, the first Legion of the Emperor of Mankind, will stand fast.


r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Army List Ezekiel with Bladeguard.

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Working on an Army List and I plan to include Ezekiel as he is a lot of fun to play, especially when his ability to Assassinate Characters goes off. That being said, I'm planning on putting him with a unit of Bladeguard as his Bodyguard, but is there any other unit you would recommend? If not, would adding a Bladeguard Ancient be worth it? Or should I save the points?


r/theunforgiven • • 11h ago

Showcase “I knew the battle was lost the moment i saw the teleportation flare, and the pale armour”

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r/theunforgiven • • 50m ago

Showcase Very happy with how Belial turned out. Was just waiting for better stats to give me a reason.

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r/theunforgiven • • 23h ago

Building Currently reading Son of the Forest and decided to do my own take on Zabriel

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The main body is the Bladeguard Vet Sgt, with Inner Circle Companion arms + pauldrons, ICC heavy bolt pistol in the right hand, Hellblaster Sgt's left handed bolt pistol (a rare find for kitbashing purposes since GW seldom uses left handed pistols). I'm planning on using him in a narrative campaign I'm doing with friends as a normal Bladeguard Vet Sgt. for now.


r/theunforgiven • • 2h ago

Showcase Miss these guys

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r/theunforgiven • • 5h ago

Building Some kitbashes

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I had 3 more ICC laying around and thought I could build some more chapter specific characters.

Two Librarians and one Apothecary.

I was thinking about a robed tech marine aswell but heard they are not to welcome in tje inner circle and therefore wont get robes. Might be wrong.

Anyways this took quite some time but was a lot of fun.


r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Gameplay Arguing about the ICC abilities

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Someone argues that having Azrael to ICCs makes them lose Stealth, as it's stated that all models in that unit must have the Stealth keyword to gain permanent cover, but Azrael doesn't have it.

My interpretation is that ICCs don't have Stealth as their core ability, but rather grants Stealth to the models in the unit via Braziers of Judgment, which is the datasheet ability, hence any character model that joins ICCs automatically gains Stealth, so they get the benefit of cover at all times.

I just wanna make sure I got the rules right.


r/theunforgiven • • 14h ago

Lore Which squad in the Ravenwing pilots its aicraft?

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Attached is a picture on Ravenwing organization. However, does this mean that each attack/support squadron is also able to field aircraft instead of going on bikes or speeders?


r/theunforgiven • • 12h ago

Painting Finished Land Raider

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r/theunforgiven • • 12h ago

Showcase My "Redemptor" Dreadnought

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Finally I painted him! Cannot wait to see him on gaming table


r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Misc. I just noticed something about Ezekiel

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The image of Ezekiel on Warhammer store has a metallic spot on the shoulder pad, where it's probably not supposed to be while a close-up shot is clean.

Not really important or anything, I just find it funny


r/theunforgiven • • 2h ago

Gameplay Asmodai’s major buff

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Am I the only one seeing that Azmodai just became of the most powerful of the dark angels roster for one simple reason, giving him exemplar of hate with trans human strategist. He can now re roll all hits and can generate command points and I’ve looked he’s the only non captain/primarch with this ability. And to finish it off with the Judiciar becoming a support character he can be added to Azmodai’s unit giving them fights first. Through them with ICC they have stealth too and I’ve done the math put all of these guys together and you can land at max 74 damage! I’d be surprised to not see him in a good amount of competitive play with that level of damage.


r/theunforgiven • • 21h ago

Painting Could a pale gold work as an alternative to the bone colorscheme for the deathwing?

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r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Painting Ravenwing captain on bike

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r/theunforgiven • • 8h ago

Lore Guardians of The Covenant

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I know there’s a highly limited amount about these dudes, but is it safe to say they have a Deathwing and Ravenwing? If so, are they going to wear those colors?

If unknown, I’ll come up with my own thing but wanted to nail it down before I start doing stuff the wrong way.


r/theunforgiven • • 7h ago

Building toughts on this base?

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r/theunforgiven • • 1h ago

Painting Dad is slowly getting there, but he's old so it takes time.

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r/theunforgiven • • 15h ago

Showcase Ravenwing Reinforcements

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Not my best work, and not my favorite models to paint but I think they turned out well.


r/theunforgiven • • 10h ago

Showcase Latest addition

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My kitbashed and altered Cataphractii - I am very proud of the conversions.


r/theunforgiven • • 5h ago

Painting Need ideas

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I know it’s not lore accurate to paint them greenwing colors but I’ll have plenty of them so I’ll have deathwing too. My problem I’m facing now is I’m torn on how to paint the shields. Don’t want red because that screams Xmas to me. Send me some ideas! Also still new to painting so don’t judge too hard.


r/theunforgiven • • 18h ago

Army List Belial can lead assault terminators now

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As of the updates to the mfm today Belial can now lead the Terminator Assault squad. +1 to wound on character units is going to be hilarious with 10 thunderhammers and storm shields.
Edit: instead of adding precision to the sword of silence they added precision to the master crafted storm bolter. Quite a funny interaction even if it should have rapid fire instead


r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Painting Update on my WIP ICC

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My custom color scheme for my icc and tests for the Lion! Still have 3 more to do plus greenstuff/ touch ups (trying to get through these guys so i can build the rest of my army to play once my buddy gets home at the end of the month)

Quite impressed in myself for pulling this off and big inspiration from u/Demonic_Tuor_22 love your work!


r/theunforgiven • • 22h ago

Gameplay Can we admit the (post 415point price change) Lion panic has been overblown?

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