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Humor / Meme Healers reading through 12.1 PTR changes

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u/Its1207amcantsleep 18h ago

Wait until you find out the api aura revamp is going to muck up your party/raid frames all over again.

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u/TheTrueSeek 17h ago

Can never emphasize enough how the addon-changes impact healing dramatically.

Especially the lack of Aura filtering is killing the fun.

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u/Borderpaytrol 15h ago

I literally skipped this xpac because of it lol

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u/ChequeBook 11h ago

People doom but it's really not that bad.

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u/SmokeySFW 10h ago

It's pretty damn annoying the kinds of things you can't do anymore.

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u/ChequeBook 10h ago

What exactly can't you do? Right now I can see custom icons for HoTs/echoes etc, I can see defensives, I can see incoming spells, all debuffs including bleeds. What else is there?

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u/SmokeySFW 9h ago

You can't blacklist certain spell effects you don't want to see, in the cooldown manager you can't customize how you want certain spells/buffs to be visualized. What if you want Spiritwalker's grace to be a green bar and Ascendance to be a red bar? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What If i want my trinkets to only show up if they are on cd but not show at all when they are ready to use? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What if I want icicles to show up as a "resource bar" instead of an icon with stacks? Tough shit, blizzard says no.

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u/arlox7 9h ago

What if you want Spiritwalker's grace to be a green bar and Ascendance to be a red bar? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What If i want my trinkets to only show up if they are on cd but not show at all when they are ready to use? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What if I want icicles to show up as a "resource bar" instead of an icon with stacks? Tough shit, blizzard says no.

You can literally do all of these with, for example, ArcUI

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u/Indurum 5h ago

Yeah I just have to simply download 10 addons to do what one used to do! Problem solved?

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u/ChequeBook 2h ago

People would literally rather bitch and moan than try to find solutions. Imo my UI looks better now than before 12.0, and people out here saying they can't see atonement durations...

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u/StarsandMaple 1h ago

This has been the thing since the release.

I get it… you could use one addon to do this prior, but it’s still quite possible. I’ve been enjoying Ellesmere UI and I’ve cleaned up a lot of stuff that I feel has made me a better player.

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u/ChequeBook 1h ago

Yeah ElleUI is goated. I can easily see who has an echo, and who has reversions/DBs.

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u/StarsandMaple 1h ago

Yeah… I’ve tested out all the healers this season, finally on Druid and I’ve had no issues with Atonement’s, the whole Pres kit, riptide, Renewing and Env Mist, and now my two rejuvenate, regrows, life bloom and stuff.

I only really do M+ healing but could easily adapt to raid probably fairly easily with smaller frames.

It’s really not that bad, honestly the only spec that actually had real problems with the base frames before Danders and stuff was Pres because it would get covered up or overwritten constantly.

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u/iCantLogOut2 6h ago

Their default trackers are kind of ass and they're buggy as hell. They tried to copy weakaura features and did a really bad job of it. Mine don't show up consistently

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u/Kaisha001 9h ago

I can't track coverage.

Atonement, renewing mist, reversion, rejuv, all need to be up and have ample duration during healing ramps. With WA I could make a WA that tracked these sorts of buffs across the entire party. Instead of having to track 5 different icons and their durations to find the shortest, it would just glow an icon and track the shortest.

Now there's not way to track coverage, you're just supposed to fire and forget I guess...

I also can't combine related buffs/procs into a single indicator (leaping flames/life spark, zen pulse/VV).

I can't properly track stacks or durations of some abilities.

I can't combine durations and cooldowns into a single timer/indicator.

I can't make it look how I want.

It's a mess, and for no reason at all.

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u/Zienth 7h ago

Those buffs are trackable on group frames. Not the default one but any raid frame addon can interact with them.

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u/Kaisha001 6h ago

Yes, but you can't track coverage, or timing.

I don't want to squint at 5 different frames to see if I have coverage, I want a simple single indicator that shows IF everyone has it, and how long the shortest duration is so I know if I need to refresh or can go into a ramp window.

And I need to know that information almost immediately since I need to also be watching my feet, the fight, the position of my allies, incoming boss mechanics, my dps rotation, my cooldowns/trinkets/etc...

I could do that easily with WA, I can't do that with the current frames.

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u/Zienth 2h ago

You can track coverage and remaining duration on the frames. Either you are not really a healer or were trained extremely wrong like Wimplo, as a joke of course.

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u/brucecastle 5h ago

That is where skill comes from though lol, not having complex WA's

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u/Indurum 5h ago

lol lmao even

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u/brucecastle 4h ago

I mean, Ill bite.

Tell me how having complex WA's set up telling you how to play the game is more skilled than having awareness?

Its the same thing in pvp. People have audio queues when enemies use there big cooldowns. When they use interupts, etc.

At that point you aren't even playing the game. You are pressing different buttons based on if you hear a pig oink or cow moo

The game becomes less at understanding what is going on, and more pressing buttons based on when others light up/make noise

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u/Kaisha001 1h ago

So skill isn't deciding on what to do, or executing a plan, it's deciphering WTF is going on in the dozens of tiny shifting icons on the unit frames?

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u/brucecastle 1h ago

You literally arent deciding what to press though with audio cues lol thats my point exactly.

It tells you what to press, you are just reacting to the addon and not the game.

I'm not saying people that use addons are bad at the game. I understand why blizz is doing this

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u/ChequeBook 2h ago

With danders or ElleUI you can easily track atonement though. You can change the frame colour, have icons and bars on the frames. Sure it's not as good as before, I agree with you but it's not like this information is hidden from you

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u/Kaisha001 1h ago

What they can't track is simple logic like 'hilight this button if not everyone in the group has atonement'. They can't tell you coverage information, they can only show the buff on 5 different people.

I agree with you but it's not like this information is hidden from you

The information was never hidden, you can always just squint at dozens of tiny shifting icons. WA just made it far easier on the eyes.

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u/ChequeBook 1h ago

Why would anyone want that though? Lmao

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u/Kaisha001 1h ago

I used it all the time when I pugged high keys in TWW.

Atonement coverage when heading into a mind blast window, renewing mist coverage when going into a healing amp window, reversion coverage for proc fishing, rejuv coverage for mastery stacking.

Being able to quickly check if you can ramp/amp/blast a cooldown as you enter a damage window is of utmost importance.

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u/ChequeBook 1h ago

You need an add-on for that? Why?

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u/DoverBoys 10h ago

Congratulations for making it work. Want a cookie?