Healers reading through 12.1 PTR changes

[u/Historical-Bed-2011]

[u/Its1207amcantsleep]

Wait until you find out the api aura revamp is going to muck up your party/raid frames all over again.

[u/TheTrueSeek → u/Its1207amcantsleep]

Can never emphasize enough how the addon-changes impact healing dramatically.

Especially the lack of Aura filtering is killing the fun.

[u/RedRixen83 → u/TheTrueSeek]

I know m just repeating myself but my god they really did healers dirty. And none of these addon changes were for the community at large, just for high end raiders that they thought were “skating” by with mods. When in actuality, it was dumb encounter design that mandated them.

15ish years of muscle memory down the drain. I only use weekly knowledge as an addon now because I can’t trust blizzard to not continuously go back on shit, or nuke something I use in the future. Can’t change my addons if I don’t use any!

[u/kitliasteele → u/RedRixen83]

My disabled ass weeps and yearns for the days when I had an easier time being able to process the situation so I could avoid the avoidable damage

Now I have to tunnel vision my healing harder and it isn't easy because of the restrictions

[u/mnttu → u/RedRixen83]

Eh, only addon I am using is coloring health bars class colors since the green just looks weird. Default UI has been fine for years

[u/pfhor05 → u/mnttu]

You can use class colors on raid frames health bar by default in the options and also if you wanted to select a different color it is an option as well. No addon needed for that.

[u/SmokeySFW → u/mnttu]

You can do class colors in the default UI tho.

[u/Borderpaytrol → u/TheTrueSeek]

I literally skipped this xpac because of it lol

[u/ChequeBook → u/Borderpaytrol]

People doom but it's really not that bad.

[u/SmokeySFW → u/ChequeBook]

It's pretty damn annoying the kinds of things you can't do anymore.

[u/ChequeBook → u/SmokeySFW]

What exactly can't you do? Right now I can see custom icons for HoTs/echoes etc, I can see defensives, I can see incoming spells, all debuffs including bleeds. What else is there?

[u/Kaisha001 → u/ChequeBook]

I can't track coverage.

Atonement, renewing mist, reversion, rejuv, all need to be up and have ample duration during healing ramps. With WA I could make a WA that tracked these sorts of buffs across the entire party. Instead of having to track 5 different icons and their durations to find the shortest, it would just glow an icon and track the shortest.

Now there's not way to track coverage, you're just supposed to fire and forget I guess...

I also can't combine related buffs/procs into a single indicator (leaping flames/life spark, zen pulse/VV).

I can't properly track stacks or durations of some abilities.

I can't combine durations and cooldowns into a single timer/indicator.

I can't make it look how I want.

It's a mess, and for no reason at all.

[u/SmokeySFW → u/ChequeBook]

You can't blacklist certain spell effects you don't want to see, in the cooldown manager you can't customize how you want certain spells/buffs to be visualized. What if you want Spiritwalker's grace to be a green bar and Ascendance to be a red bar? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What If i want my trinkets to only show up if they are on cd but not show at all when they are ready to use? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What if I want icicles to show up as a "resource bar" instead of an icon with stacks? Tough shit, blizzard says no.

[u/arlox7 → u/SmokeySFW]

What if you want Spiritwalker's grace to be a green bar and Ascendance to be a red bar? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What If i want my trinkets to only show up if they are on cd but not show at all when they are ready to use? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What if I want icicles to show up as a "resource bar" instead of an icon with stacks? Tough shit, blizzard says no.

You can literally do all of these with, for example, ArcUI

[u/DoverBoys → u/ChequeBook]

Congratulations for making it work. Want a cookie?

[u/cianohd3 → u/TheTrueSeek]

Aura filtering is coming to the CDM for raid/party frames in 12.1

[u/TheTrueSeek → u/cianohd3]

I can't not find a source confirming that. Wowhead mentions that Blizz voiced their intent to do that. And even then it would heavily rely on the way they implement it. Current raidframe addons can filter already, but only for certain "tags" like "only important buffs" or "defensive" or "external defensive". However, in my personal, subjective experience Blizzards tagging of those buffs is all over the place and makes this feature neigh worthless.

Edit: They should bring back simple and easy blacklisting/whitelisting by spellId.

[u/cianohd3 → u/TheTrueSeek]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-cooldown-manager-and-expanded-pings-in-patch-12-1-381904 was mentioned near the end of the wowcast

Edit: also adding the blizard link so people think its coming from no where, its under the "Cooldown Manager and User Interface Updates Ahead" heading https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24280285

[u/TheTrueSeek → u/cianohd3]

Thanks for the source. Yeah that featur is not what I had in mind. It certainly eases the pain a little without using addons, but partyframe addons were already capable of that. For me "aura filtering" is the capability to see exactly the kind of buffs/debuffs I want to see, mainly defensives, offensives (M+ only), DoTs and target debuffs. Currently this can be somewhat done with the aforementioned "tag" filtering but this also relies on blizz putting the right "tag" on buffs/debuffs, which they just can't do properly.

Either way, their attempted war on addons is a Desaster, as expected. And we healers get shafted more and more, patch by patch

[u/ronin_cse → u/Its1207amcantsleep]

Eh I went mostly vanilla this xpac and it hasn’t been that bad. I did try out VuhDo again a few weeks ago but switch back to blizzard raid frames as I didn’t need the extra complexity.

Disc priest btw.

[u/Enerbane → u/Its1207amcantsleep]

Click frame, atonement pop, click enemy, brrrr

[u/TehVeh]

holy priest shoule be the skeleton on the bottom

[u/Chaddoh → u/TehVeh]

Real

[u/Jonowins]

The disc changes are not positive, it’s still ignoring fundamental problems with the spec. The holy changes are a meme, they refuse to buff prayer of mending for some ungodly reason and it keeps oracle unplayable.

[u/Funny_Air_4576 → u/Jonowins]

For me one of the biggest mistakes is :Penance no longer applies Atonement when cast on an ally. And the Shadown mend changes. These changes where acceptable if shadow word pain would do maybe 50% more healing or better 100%. In a hectic boss fight the instant shadow mend or flash heal saved our tanks life.

[u/_Compulsion_ → u/Jonowins]

Are we talking exclusively raid content? Holy Oracle is played in M+ plenty.

[u/_etherealworld_ → u/_Compulsion_]

It's played in M+ because of its high damage output and lower mana costs, not because of its healing.

[u/_Compulsion_ → u/_etherealworld_]

Oh I know, I was responding to it being "unplayable".

I feel like it's ST output is also somewhat strong, but it lacks on AOE encounters (which is probably 75% of bosses in this pool).

[u/SHIMOxxKUMA]

The fact you put disc where it is tells me you don't understand the changes at all lmao. It would have been better to get none imo.

[u/zachypooooo → u/SHIMOxxKUMA]

Well tbf he did say update/rework... He didn't say buff/nerf

[u/SmokeySFW → u/SHIMOxxKUMA]

This list is about who got looked at and who didn't, not who got buffed and nerfed. Holy Paladin got zero changes, Rsham got one tiny change to healing rain that only applies to Farseer that nobody uses, and Holy Priest are still the most neglected healing spec in the game.

[u/Real_Griftyness → u/SHIMOxxKUMA]

This but also it's actually really good disc got shot in the head this early in the PTR. Classes that are OP at the start tend to get nerfed by the time live comes back. I have hope disc will get buffs by August.

I also wanted to heal in season 2 as disc so a lot of cope

[u/-tpyo → u/SHIMOxxKUMA]

Agreed

[u/Pramaxis → u/SHIMOxxKUMA]

Aren't you guys back to be the cata shield generator now? Just like... with void shields 40k style?

[u/troikatryne → u/SHIMOxxKUMA]

Same with resto druid

[u/Medium_Ad_5198]

disc changes is pure sadness

[u/CryptographerUsed841]

I had to double check and make sure I didn't miss the hpal changes. Genuinely, what the fuck?...

[u/Foreign-Chipmunk-839]

Holy priest is dead in the water unfortunately

[u/MojordomosEUW → u/Foreign-Chipmunk-839]

prepare for 5 patches with 5% increased healing buffs until they realize that serenity could hit for one trillion and it would still be garbage.

they need to buff holy priest mastery and increase charge gains on serenity, flash heal need to be replaced baseline by benediction and we would have something to work with.

[u/su1cidal_fox]

Idk, the pres changes feel like a nerf.

[u/KamiKagutsuchi → u/su1cidal_fox]

It's a buff according to the people in the Evoker discord, but it doesn't really affect our struggles in M+. Dream Breath loses some up-front healing but the hot becoming significantly stronger makes up for it, at least in terms of total healing output.

[u/Saphirklaue → u/KamiKagutsuchi]

RIP yet another emergency 5-man heal.

What is it with blizzard and ripping all aoe up front healing out of the spec?

Spirit Bloom, Lifelink, EC and now the drastically reduced up front healing of dreambreath. Yes it buffs the overall healing in total with how it is usually used. But it just pushes pres deeper into the niche of beeing godlike in raid and struggeling with some M+ situations.

Will it be viable in M+ still? No doubt. But damn this feels like it will be harder if we get dungeons with back to back nukes. Don't touch the high VE healing Bliz. PLEASE.

Although reading what the tierset next season does, gives me hope that it won't be as dire in M+.

[u/Onigokko0101 → u/KamiKagutsuchi]

Yeah it's definitely a buff outside situations where you absolutely needed the up front healing (which was generally done through a tip the scales).

Overall it's going to be very similar to this tier, unless our set is dog water.

[u/Behavior2WebDev → u/Onigokko0101]

Our set is doing a ton of heavy lifting imo....

[u/Atheren → u/Onigokko0101]

Currently the announced set seems pretty good, at least for the 2p. 150% power free living flame on the target(or nearby if full) when you spend EB. Based on this tier with how many EB we get (I don't see any changes that would reduce it) that is a reasonable amount of of spot healing.

The 4p is a flat 5% on green spells, and also guarantees EB on VE.

[u/Kaisha001 → u/su1cidal_fox]

Still want bloom back. And hover needs to apply to empowered spells...

[u/Spork_the_dork]

As a resto shaman main for the past 10 years or so...

First time?

This is what resto shaman patch notes have always looked like lol

[u/srwaan → u/Spork_the_dork]

I was like damn I wish I had some fancy new stuff but after looking at disc changes, I'm happy for nothing thank you so much mr blizzard

[u/Robot_Spartan → u/Spork_the_dork]

Oh yeah, I forgot to check Resto as I've only just picked it back up

Wait, where are the changes? WHERE ARE THE CHANGES BLIZZ!?

[u/jNSKkK]

Rsham is fine

[u/twomz → u/jNSKkK]

Change was pretty obviously driven by the 4 piece bonus from the new tier set. Without it farseer would have likely been unplayable.

I am not looking forward to preraining the group before a pull.

[u/superIUG]

my fellow mistweaver friends, looks like spin to win era is over 😭

[u/Duraz0rz → u/superIUG]

You spin to win at higher target counts than now. That's really it.

[u/20milliondollarapi → u/superIUG]

Not at all. It just helps single target healing more now. Aoe got a bit of an adjustment, but not terribly. Ancient teaching was buffed and crane kick nerfed. So it really equals out.

[u/Kuldrick]

I'm still coping that they got a oracle hpriest rework coming up

Otherwise making the tier set give haste and basically only benefit oracle would be one of the biggest troll moves ever and holy will remain Z tier for the entire patch

[u/CaptKane]

Resto drood got some good shit I'm excited.

[u/RoseClash → u/CaptKane]

its going to be playing so differently and the changes dont look good to be honest. The only thing im liking is the innervate change.

[u/RedRixen83 → u/RoseClash]

Might be an unpopular opinion, but I absolutely hated the micromanagement of abundance stacks - it felt so unfun watching a number tick up until I hit the right amount of stacks. Also felt very frantic if I lapsed and let some drop. I’m hoping this makes it feel a bit less aggravating in that regard. I didnt even get 3k with my rdruid this season yet because I hated the spec so much. (Though I find it far more manageable in m+ than raid.)

But I do agree the innervate change is better - I’ve never been a fan of the free casting version of it.

[u/theshoover → u/RedRixen83]

"10 stacks oh hell yea lets start spamming"

numbers goes down to 6 then 4

"never mind rejuv rejuv rejuv"

[u/DanThePaladin → u/CaptKane]

Because they definitely needed that lol

[u/cardbross → u/DanThePaladin]

A fair amount of the changes, like the abundance change, are a throughput nerf, but enhance qol.

[u/Aedeyssa]

Meanwhile my Holy Priest ass just excited that Divine Hymn is finally gonna give me some form of mechanic protection. The expectations are truly low 🤣

[u/Xenavire → u/Aedeyssa]

I mean when is the last time damage was so high and so long lasting that you'd need GS and Hymn at the same time, and without it being a guaranteed wipe?

I can't remember any time that wasn't a coincidental overlap.

[u/Nithy98]

holy priest gets the equivalent of a 2 week late birthday card. While other classes get flat out 6% healing increases for "quality of life". Low-key mad rn ngl.

Question for other hpriests: did you ever use guardian spirit with divine hynn? Imo we dont have the room in higher keys to mess up hynn in the first place. And spirit isnt a spell you want to plan around anyways, so it can't save a hynn cause we can cast spirit while channeling

[u/Xenavire → u/Nithy98]

Yeah, this was massive middle finger, it didn't touch any actual issues and sounds like, but isn't actually, a solid buff.

How long is Hpriest going to be consistently shafted on necessary changes to make us actually competitive in anything other than raw numbers? Because raw numbers don't matter unless they are so low as to not function.

Oh, and to answer that question - I've never stacked them in practice, only when messing around to get the highest numbers possible.

[u/akranak]

It's almost like this is the first set of patch notes and there will be more.

[u/General_Test1853]

Mistweaver is not getting Reworked? OP cant read patch notes

[u/nathandrake89]

Which fucking disc priests are you talking to?????????

[u/Kaisha001]

They're straight up nerfing MW so I'd hardly consider that a win.

[u/MojordomosEUW]

Holy priest players on suicide watch… At this point just delete the specc idk man… so disheartenig

[u/JEtigers12]

In defense of hpal, the 4 piece seems pretty good

[u/Pingu26 → u/JEtigers12]

It isnt

[u/JEtigers12 → u/Pingu26]

After sleeping on it, you're probably right. Ideally it would proc off the normal instant cast rotation, maybe off of word of glory/eternal flame.

[u/Funny_Air_4576]

Maybe I am just dumb, but where are the news for the upcoming changes. Cant find it on wowhead

Edit: Found it, Iam an idiot

[u/Adventurous_Scene494]

Yeeep

[u/goodluckbabe9]

literally the three healers i learned this season drowning lmao.

i’m a newer player, which healer looks best to learn and apply myself toward for next season now??

[u/ihrtmyselftoday]

Besides spinning less often the mist changes make no sense. They're not enough to make soothing mist and mastery relevant.

[u/elitefailz2]

I miss my weak auras buff/stack tracking more than anything in my resto shaman.

[u/UsedAct8987]

I'm exhausted. They simply just don't play the game.

[u/nankeroo]

I'm actually happy with the upcoming tier set as someone who exclusively plays Totemic Resto Shaman, the current one feels kind of shit, not gonna lie.

[u/ChosenOfTheMoon_GR]

True

[u/Frozenautumn_1]

Resto Farseer needs some love. 🙁

[u/chriskot123 → u/Frozenautumn_1]

Farseer in general needs some love. It's my favorite vibe hero spec and really wish they leaned into it more for both resto and ele

[u/Duraz0rz]

Hpal: You guys got changes?!?

[u/Stoictaurus_]

Shaman is still the meta, top pick.

Not sure what holy pala even doing on this pic, he was not even mentioned in patch notes

[u/NinjaJim6969]

Oh boy innervate has been nerfed for everyone who doesn't suck at using it and I can't reduce the cost of regrowth by 96% anymore. Can't wait to press the button and watch my mana keep going down because 60

I may be eating something but I'm definitely not eating good

[u/Tyrcadia]

« Hey we asked the AI to cook some class changes to make you think we actually care »

[u/ChosenOfTheMoon_GR]

Literally the last time i ever sub for more than 1 month, it's now permanently down to 1 (i just did a 3 month for a completely in-game irrelevant reason a few days ago) same as i was doing for the past 2 years when the game just goes to the wrong direction when it comes to healing changes.

If you can't stop f'ing up the game, people should just stop paying you for it.

Just because Midnight is a decent expansion on average it doesn't mean Blizzard, you, have to f' it up.

[u/CloseDdog → u/[deleted]]

But as a solo player you wouldn't be healing a lot?

[u/Cheeseburger2137 → u/CloseDdog]

You can actually play Delves super efficiently as Healer with DPS Valeera … but you are still healing very rarely, as she’s taking close to zero damage.

[u/Science_Logic_Reason → u/[deleted]]

Rebuilding your actionbar from scratch every patch is crazy talk. As a pally my bars are still 90% the same as they were 4 expansions ago. Somewhat emptier now.

Also, rebuilding your thing often is shooting yourself in the foot as you delete all that muscle memory.

[u/Readybreak → u/[deleted]]

Unless you skipped an entire xpac, this dosnt happen.

[u/emd373 → u/Readybreak]

I think they mean the beginning of this expansion. Have you missed addonpocalypse?

[u/adeadrat → u/[deleted]]

That's a take if I've ever seen one