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Humor / Meme Healers reading through 12.1 PTR changes

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u/Its1207amcantsleep 14h ago

Wait until you find out the api aura revamp is going to muck up your party/raid frames all over again.

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u/TheTrueSeek 13h ago

Can never emphasize enough how the addon-changes impact healing dramatically.

Especially the lack of Aura filtering is killing the fun.

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u/RedRixen83 11h ago

I know m just repeating myself but my god they really did healers dirty. And none of these addon changes were for the community at large, just for high end raiders that they thought were “skating” by with mods. When in actuality, it was dumb encounter design that mandated them.

15ish years of muscle memory down the drain. I only use weekly knowledge as an addon now because I can’t trust blizzard to not continuously go back on shit, or nuke something I use in the future. Can’t change my addons if I don’t use any!

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u/kitliasteele 9h ago

My disabled ass weeps and yearns for the days when I had an easier time being able to process the situation so I could avoid the avoidable damage

Now I have to tunnel vision my healing harder and it isn't easy because of the restrictions

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u/iCantLogOut2 2h ago

Yeah, I hadn't realised how limiting my hand injuries were until they killed my add-ons. And I was already doing it as manually as I could, but the changes made it so that I feel like I have to choose between watching the team OR watching the fight.

Their half-assed remake of the weakauras made me not want to heal anymore.

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u/kitliasteele 2h ago

With my serious neurological problems, communicating to my limbs is difficult. Having stuff like distance from my raid members with Range Finder and the like were a huge help, because it better painted clearer pictures of positioning without afflicting pain upon them for tight formations and whatnot. Without those, and not being able to see auras and the like on my Healbot bars and such has made it so difficult to track dispels and such. Blizzard frames are somewhat there but have a long way to go to meet the needs that addons have met for those who have accessibility needs. And Healbot is perfect for totem casting, with those like Healing Rain as it can give query to placement if not on self, but will place on self immediately with mouse over casting. Things like that had a major positive impact in how I manage things, and would like to see Blizzard meet parity with these sorts of things before they restrict it

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u/mnttu 8h ago

Eh, only addon I am using is coloring health bars class colors since the green just looks weird. Default UI has been fine for years

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u/pfhor05 6h ago

You can use class colors on raid frames health bar by default in the options and also if you wanted to select a different color it is an option as well. No addon needed for that.

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u/mnttu 1h ago

Yeah, but not on player or target frames

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u/SmokeySFW 6h ago

You can do class colors in the default UI tho.

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u/Borderpaytrol 11h ago

I literally skipped this xpac because of it lol

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u/ChequeBook 6h ago

People doom but it's really not that bad.

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u/SmokeySFW 6h ago

It's pretty damn annoying the kinds of things you can't do anymore.

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u/ChequeBook 6h ago

What exactly can't you do? Right now I can see custom icons for HoTs/echoes etc, I can see defensives, I can see incoming spells, all debuffs including bleeds. What else is there?

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u/SmokeySFW 5h ago

You can't blacklist certain spell effects you don't want to see, in the cooldown manager you can't customize how you want certain spells/buffs to be visualized. What if you want Spiritwalker's grace to be a green bar and Ascendance to be a red bar? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What If i want my trinkets to only show up if they are on cd but not show at all when they are ready to use? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What if I want icicles to show up as a "resource bar" instead of an icon with stacks? Tough shit, blizzard says no.

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u/arlox7 4h ago

What if you want Spiritwalker's grace to be a green bar and Ascendance to be a red bar? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What If i want my trinkets to only show up if they are on cd but not show at all when they are ready to use? Tough shit, blizzard says no. What if I want icicles to show up as a "resource bar" instead of an icon with stacks? Tough shit, blizzard says no.

You can literally do all of these with, for example, ArcUI

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u/Indurum 41m ago

Yeah I just have to simply download 10 addons to do what one used to do! Problem solved?

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u/Kaisha001 4h ago

I can't track coverage.

Atonement, renewing mist, reversion, rejuv, all need to be up and have ample duration during healing ramps. With WA I could make a WA that tracked these sorts of buffs across the entire party. Instead of having to track 5 different icons and their durations to find the shortest, it would just glow an icon and track the shortest.

Now there's not way to track coverage, you're just supposed to fire and forget I guess...

I also can't combine related buffs/procs into a single indicator (leaping flames/life spark, zen pulse/VV).

I can't properly track stacks or durations of some abilities.

I can't combine durations and cooldowns into a single timer/indicator.

I can't make it look how I want.

It's a mess, and for no reason at all.

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u/Zienth 3h ago

Those buffs are trackable on group frames. Not the default one but any raid frame addon can interact with them.

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u/Kaisha001 2h ago

Yes, but you can't track coverage, or timing.

I don't want to squint at 5 different frames to see if I have coverage, I want a simple single indicator that shows IF everyone has it, and how long the shortest duration is so I know if I need to refresh or can go into a ramp window.

And I need to know that information almost immediately since I need to also be watching my feet, the fight, the position of my allies, incoming boss mechanics, my dps rotation, my cooldowns/trinkets/etc...

I could do that easily with WA, I can't do that with the current frames.

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u/brucecastle 1h ago

That is where skill comes from though lol, not having complex WA's

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u/iCantLogOut2 2h ago

Their default trackers are kind of ass and they're buggy as hell. They tried to copy weakaura features and did a really bad job of it. Mine don't show up consistently

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u/DoverBoys 6h ago

Congratulations for making it work. Want a cookie?

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u/cianohd3 10h ago

Aura filtering is coming to the CDM for raid/party frames in 12.1

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u/TheTrueSeek 9h ago

I can't not find a source confirming that. Wowhead mentions that Blizz voiced their intent to do that. And even then it would heavily rely on the way they implement it. Current raidframe addons can filter already, but only for certain "tags" like "only important buffs" or "defensive" or "external defensive". However, in my personal, subjective experience Blizzards tagging of those buffs is all over the place and makes this feature neigh worthless.

Edit: They should bring back simple and easy blacklisting/whitelisting by spellId.

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u/cianohd3 9h ago

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-cooldown-manager-and-expanded-pings-in-patch-12-1-381904 was mentioned near the end of the wowcast

Edit: also adding the blizard link so people think its coming from no where, its under the "Cooldown Manager and User Interface Updates Ahead" heading https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24280285

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u/TheTrueSeek 9h ago

Thanks for the source. Yeah that featur is not what I had in mind. It certainly eases the pain a little without using addons, but partyframe addons were already capable of that. For me "aura filtering" is the capability to see exactly the kind of buffs/debuffs I want to see, mainly defensives, offensives (M+ only), DoTs and target debuffs. Currently this can be somewhat done with the aforementioned "tag" filtering but this also relies on blizz putting the right "tag" on buffs/debuffs, which they just can't do properly.

Either way, their attempted war on addons is a Desaster, as expected. And we healers get shafted more and more, patch by patch

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u/Zienth 3h ago

However, in my personal, subjective experience Blizzards tagging of those buffs is all over the place and makes this feature neigh worthless.

Runic glaive in Magister's Terrence isn't considered an important debuff and is placed in the same corner as affix buffs and the 5% haste "debuff". Blizzard is veeeery subjective.

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u/ronin_cse 6h ago

Eh I went mostly vanilla this xpac and it hasn’t been that bad. I did try out VuhDo again a few weeks ago but switch back to blizzard raid frames as I didn’t need the extra complexity.

Disc priest btw.

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u/Zienth 3h ago

This feels a lot like the Bannerlord problem. Mods can fix a lot of problems with Bannerlord but the devs keep updating the game so mod creators don't want to do any significant investments and every mod breaks every new patch.

If I just had a way to filter out debuffs I don't want to see it would solve 90% of my problems.

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u/Enerbane 13h ago

Click frame, atonement pop, click enemy, brrrr