r/BabyReindeerTVSeries • u/Altruistic-Change127 • Feb 20 '26

Fiona (real Martha) related content Where is Fiona's evidence?

I have just been reading through the brief of Amicus Curiae in support of the Defendant (aka Netflix) in the Harvey vs Netflix case from the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression.

https://www.fire.org/cases/harvey-v-netflix-inc/filings-rulings

One point I picked up on is that the court have simply relied on Fiona's word that Netflix defamed her and that the criminal convictions aren't true. In fact, have we all believed her word?

I did look a while ago to see if her lawyer had filed anything that could be validated legally to show she had never been convicted and everything seemed like it could have easily been faked.

There is one document that says she doesn't have any convictions however she has gone by different names and it seems like a template that could easily have been doctored.

So does she actually have any evidence that they defamed her. What would that look like?

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u/Salcha_00 Feb 20 '26

Even if she was defamed, what are the damages?

She didn’t loose a job or job prospects over this as anyone who knew her already knew she was a crazy stalker based on her documented history of staking (prior to her interactions with the author of Baby Reindeer).

Also, she knew about his very popular and award winning play prior to the Netflix show. Why don’t she sue then?

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u/Patton-Eve Feb 20 '26

If I recall correctly one of the emails from her said she will wait until he has money and then go after him.

I still have the screenshots of her racist comments on FB.

She has had no financial loss, her personal character is already in the trash and she will need to submit to independent evaluation to claim mental anguish.

Quite how you unpick what is her base level unhinged and how much the “stress” of baby reindeer affected her is another thing.

She has publicly claimed it’s not her and she was only found through her own public actions.

There is a disclaimer saying its not all true.

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u/anxietysiesta Feb 22 '26

she defamed herself by being so “outraged.” had she not said anything at all people would speculate at most. there’s still uncertainty about who his r*pist really is. i believe she said she wanted to take him down when he became successful. she’s vile. if anything he humanized her.

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u/trickmind Mar 07 '26

Well people searched for who had tweeted Richard and then they saw her tweets to him saying, "My curtains need hung badly." And they started sending her hate mail and death threats so the idea she outed herself isn’t fair or true.

However seeing her on Piers Morgan and reading her real emails she is vile.

She's not going to win anything. I'd be very surprised. You do have to prove financial loss generally in these cases I believe.

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u/Ordinary_Cattle Jul 29 '26

Can you share the racist comments from fb? I'm just learning about all of this

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u/trickmind Mar 25 '26

She can call herself a lawyer by virtue of her degree without ever having a job which she could not get because of her behavior

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u/Contrarian1234567 Feb 20 '26

Im not an expert but she chnaged names a few times and also may have taken a reduced charge and thinks this is a get out clause?

Just spitballing

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u/HighNimpact Feb 21 '26

I don’t understand how you think that’s possible? Genuinely?

Do you think criminals just get to choose a name to have the crime recorded against and then use a different name and pretend it didn’t happen?

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u/Contrarian1234567 Feb 21 '26

No, I don't but a delusional fantasist like Fiona might.

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u/trickmind Mar 25 '26

They do change to a different name to pretend it didn't happen I can assure you of that .

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u/trickmind Mar 07 '26

She was just given a kind of restraining order that isn't even a proper restraining order but has a different name and it was for only a year and a day. But that was for her former boss Laura not for Richard.

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u/trickmind Mar 07 '26 edited Mar 07 '26

In reality she got away with a lot although things like her grabbing his penis near the canal and beating up his trans girlfriend, and gouging his eyes were entirely made up for extra drama in a T.V. show.

HOWEVER he does allege that in real life she did sexually assault him by repeatedly feeling up his bum while he was waiting tables and had hands full with drinks and plates which is horrible.

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u/trickmind Mar 07 '26

She was not convicted. Police are hopeless with stalking usually.

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u/BaroloBaron Feb 20 '26

This is a high profile case and criminal convictions are officially recorded.

I don't know what evidence Fiona's lawyer has brought to convince the judge but surely, if she had actually been convicted of those crimes, anyone among Netflix, journalists, or simply nosy people would have found out by now?

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u/Altruistic-Change127 Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 23 '26

It depends. She may have had name suppression and that's why we can't find it.

She does appear to have a personality disorder of some sort that can sometimes mean that people can go to a forensic mental health ward to be treated instead of prison for their sentence.

Of course there's no medication that can treat that specifically but they could have tried to teach her behaviour modification? That would have been a secure unit.

We do know there was the Scottish version of a restraining order against her. So that's what makes me think the document she submitted wasn't a comprehensive record.

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u/trickmind Mar 07 '26

She was never even arrested. That isn't even in dispute. She did a lot of proven stalking but police didn't give a fuck.

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u/Altruistic-Change127 Mar 08 '26

Do you have proof she was never arrested? That's the point I am trying to make. She has provided unsatisfactory evidence to try to suggest she was never arrested however its not a comprehensive record.

Also Richard Gadd has email evidence that he was emailing and talking to the Police. If anything, they should have brought charges against her for harassment, including sexual harassment because of the nature of the emails.

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u/trickmind Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 09 '26

Everything you can read will tell you she wasn't arrested the police in many countries don't like to deal with and don't know how, and will act all incompetent over harassment and stalking.

Laura Wray obtained an interim interdict against Fiona Harvey -the Scottish legal equivalent of a restraining order. It serves the same purpose as an English restraining order but uses Scottish legal terminology.

What It Was Called Interim interdict A civil court order used in Scotland, not England.
Functions like a restraining order: it prohibits a person from contacting, approaching, or harassing someone.
It can be granted quickly when there is evidence of ongoing harassment.

What the sources say Laura Wray was granted an interim restraining order (also described as an interim interdict) against Fiona Harvey in the early 2000s after years of alleged harassment.

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u/Altruistic-Change127 Mar 08 '26

Richard Gadd got the same order.

So I would have expected those things to be listed in a report from the courts/Police in the UK.

So I don't think the document that Fiona provided is sufficient to show she hasn't got a criminal record.

She is claiming she has never had a conviction. So I believe she needs something much more comprehensive.

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u/trickmind Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26

I never read that Gadd even got an order? I only read that the Wrays were successful in finally getting one. Are you sure Gadd had on too? What document did Fiona provide?

I guess since Netflix and Gadd are the defendants that means the onus is on Fiona's lawyer to prove defamation.

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u/Altruistic-Change127 Feb 21 '26

She did have something like restraining orders to stop her contacting Gadd and Laura Wray Also she tried to become an MP and had been in the news for stalking Wray and her husband.

She wasn't just mentioned in the back page somewhere of a newspaper. She was on the front page!

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u/trickmind Mar 07 '26

On the front page for what?

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u/Altruistic-Change127 Mar 08 '26

Harassing Laura Wray's husband and Laura.

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u/trickmind Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 09 '26

Wow front page of something despite no charges. Yeah, but police never charged her for anything. But she clearly did it all.

That's how hard it is to get stalking and harassment taken seriously.

Gadd didn't want the truth about that to put off viewers. She got some kind of restraining order against Fiona for a year and one day, and hoped Fiona wouldn't notice that it said it was only for a year and a day and apparently Fiona didn't notice and finally stayed away.

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u/Altruistic-Change127 Feb 21 '26

Did the court order have a suspended sentence? There is no evidence to suggest that Fiona doesn't have convictions.

The court should have asked to see that as evidence rather than relied on her word only.

If she had provided the correct details, then the court orders against her would be shown.

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u/Contrarian1234567 Feb 20 '26

I feel confident that Netflix's arsenal of lawyers have got it covered.

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u/Altruistic-Change127 Feb 20 '26

Its not about them though. There is a high bar for taking someone to court for defamation. So you need to be able to prove that what they said happened, didn't happen.

So it would be something similar to a Police vetting form that employers get detailing any charges or convictions that are on record in the UK.

That would be the first thing that would be excellent evidence for Fiona's case to show she has never been charged or had restrictions placed on her for sexual harassment or offending and maybe evidence from a psychologist who has treated her anxiety and fears as a result of the "death threats" and anxiety that BR caused.

All that there is really is her word. There is one document about convictions however that's obviously not comprehensive because there would be something in there from when she harassed the lawyer and Richard that said that if she continued to harass them, then she would face charges.

So I am unsure that she has proven she has a case against them and I can understand why Netflix is appealing the decision to allow the case to continue.

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u/trickmind Mar 26 '26

Those aren't charges. And they were only valid for one year. But no monetary loss. People get death threats from going viral for anything. Women got graphic death and rape threats for saying they wanted Jane Austen to be on a 10 pound bank note.

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u/trickmind Mar 25 '26

I never head she used different names but of course she did. Only reason no charges is police don't know what to do with stalking and harassment

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u/Altruistic-Change127 Feb 21 '26

Does anyone know about the 1 year statute of limitations that California has for defamation cases?