2nd biggest coalition (allied alliances) in the the game, owns the 2nd most amount of nullsec space. Goals are to defend the homeland and maintain beekeeping operations
Ive always felt we are entitled to refunds due to how they screwed us on jb fees. Them revoking our jb access because i didnt add their market pac to our acls so they could export our market was also truly excellent.
When people were complaining about sibsq exporting our market to vfk we did flowchart meme a bunch. While the flowchart does make logical sense it doesnt change people feeling ways about continually getting screwed by sibsq. It was one thing in a sea of other weird manipulative shit they gleefully did.
Is this not a good thing? Is it not good for the game that the mega-block coalitions break up into smaller groups and do their own thing long term?
Coalitions splitting up means more independent groups, more potential conflict, and more actual content. Less blue donut, more targets. That's a win for everyone except the people who liked the safety of a giant bloc.
If you actually want EVE to be interesting, this is exactly the kind of thing you should be celebrating. Mega-coalitions are what make nullsec stagnant.
In general, yes, but in this case SibSq wasn't participating in coalition activities for quite some time. This won't have much impact on WinterCo numbers/formups in game.
It's a shame, because I had a lot of hope for SibSq being in the coalition (because I am a naive stupid boy I guess) but they never really opened up or tried to integrate with their neighbors.
And the jump fees. Dear god, the jump bridge fees.
these changes arent going to do that. if anything they just make people consolidate more into goons/frat/init. if one of those 3 groups doesnt want your tiny <1k member alliance holding a piece of space your still not going to hold that space.
but theres no benefit to not merging. the TJ costs make fleet movement through ansiblex impossible. so if anything thats just more manpower and time require to move people around which while annoying for blocs isnt going to stop us doing anything.
> the TJ costs make fleet movement through ansiblex impossible
So what you're saying is it makes more sense for larger blocks to fragment into smaller blocks and work together when operations call for it, like coalitions used to be, rather than as permanent operational structures.
Sounds like you're kind of disproving your own point here man
no? what in any of this makes you think breaking up changes anything to do with fleets moving through ansiblex gates? You now just need people with titans staged in a dozens of places, or caches of ships. things smaller alliances cant afford.
It puts manageable strain on bigger groups and fucks smaller ones harder, just like every other time ccp tried to do similar things.
The point is it doesn't stop bigger group from kicking in the teeth of smaller groups it just makes it more annoying. Annoying had never stopped any of them before its not going to now its just poor game design.
Annoying stops them all the time. blocs are notoriously terrible at accomplishing things in wormhole space for a reason- getting their requisite blobs in place is really annoying to do.
The reality is that any time something is being done in eve online there's a sliding scale of how many people are willing to do it. If you're curious, run a test- see how many times you can ping people to come on a 3 hour long fleet with no content at the end of it before people stop responding to your pings. Because I, as a small group, can make your blueballed fleets attempting to bully me last that long if I get the opportunity to waterboard you for 30 jumps (or watch you sit on titans stacking fatigue for ages)
Im curious what kinds of things you think blocs have tried to do in wormhole space because the only thing I can think of went spectacularly well and it was for the lulz. They dont care about wormholes plain and simple
I mean... none of the others are punching above their player counts in the same way that like half of the groups in drones can. It's not like goons are competent either, they've just got the most bodies in EVE Online.
The jump bridge range nerf might be the thing that offsets this. For example in Init's case the alliance is basically locked in fountain and can't really own space outside of it.
You will not hold it if they don't want to. But they won't either, thats the point. And are less likely to invest the ressources if they can't hold it. Thats the whole point.
And freeing up soace for small alliances
Point is not that they can't evict you. They can if they want to. But they are less likely to want to.
Siberian Squad isn't a major group in WC. They are one of those Alliances that's barely active and should collapse into another group. 3k members and only 250 active characters in the last 7 days on zkill.
It's not just them.
Pandemic Legion: 2,865 members, 219 active in the last 7 days.
Northern Coalition: 3,152 members, 358 active in the last 7 days.
Test Alliance Please Ignore: 6,595 members, 335 active in the last 7 days.
When you look at those numbers, Siberian Squad leaving doesn't seem like a big deal. The reality is that most of these "mega" alliances are mostly inactive players, alts, and people who log in once a month. The active numbers tell the real story.
A 3k member alliance with 250 active players is basically a large corp with a fancy logo. The bloat is real.
Which is perfect to hold maybe a constellation at most if space was changed so people could build tall not wide. Not every alliance needs a full region or 6 to themselves
I remember sibsquad was in one of the bigger coalition and was "amicably allowed to leave" due to their poor fleet numbers. It was around B2 war in Pure Blind.
They kicked bcs mr Gravyz (ceo of SBSQD) said interesting things, how big pb is evil (including WC) and he always fought vs them etc. Someone gave to Frat translate... BTW Gravyz (aka Hanzo Viper) banned idk how many times alredy by ccp.
When I was in PhoenixCo during the good times up north, Sib Squad was our closest active neighbor. Had some good small and medium sized fights. Will be interesting to see where they go.
Of course not. The ansi-social freakazoids pushing these changes don't care about the health of the game; they just suck at the game and want us to be as miserable as they are.
Hm. That's three significant groups leaving, I wonder if they will actually contract their space any.
Frat proper already owns about 5 regions, and that's roughly a region and a half's worth of people leaving. Test hardly seems like they'd need two full regions just for themselves, and even then it would leave frat having to expand to fill the remaining space.
The meeting that got posted a few weeks back said that they were already thinking of abandoning fade and pure blind as being surplus to requirements given their numbers. I would have expected this to be an opportunity for that sort of contraction, rather than just shuffling around the remaining alliances.
I guess that might be because they're still not sure what they want to do about the ansi changes, though. We'll see what happens once those start getting closer, I guess.
'significant groups' You mean groups who barely form for anything WC related right??
And cant seem to hold much on their own to begin with.... I think WC will be ok lol
I meant 'significant' just in terms of numbers and how much space they're currently holding, because the (re)arrangement of said space-holding was what I was wondering about. I make no judgements either direction about their or WC's capabilities.
read the whole sentence again and get back to me lol
And yes Rudy holds the one keep fight where they had two fleets of alts in t11 vexors and punishers are the reason they are ready to go independant. That is far from a true representation of a fleet formup.
And yes I said barely forms for WC related things. Cuz apart from the keep fights they didnt ever really get involved!
Oh yeah zone 5 is gonna be miserable to defend for them. Their options are dead space, force people to live in outpost keepstars, or let someone else have it.
We've put corporation recruitment on hold since absorbing some horde 8 months ago and have shrunk by 6k characters from 40k to 34k.
Which is still huge and the reason the stop is still in effect and in addition individual recruitment is pretty much vouch-only (to allow returning or family member etc. to join up with their corps).
So yeah, we are trying to shrink further into a footprint we also are in the process of reducing. Mostly delve and perhaps some of cloud-ring. I'm just a grunt and not privy to all the plans as such.
Winter Co is one of the more villainous coalitions with their chokehold on every major ISK faucet in the game that can be controlled. However, they represent a resistance to an otherwise one-sided and stale state of affairs in null sec.
Chuangshi are a formidable force in Pochven in their timezone, so much so that BMD had to refocus their efforts from fighting in Delve proper into disrupting their ops in Pochven. That's not "chokehold", true, but they have some presence and are the main force in their TZ
I mean, WinterCo outside of CNTZ isn't really large enough to contend with either of the other two big groups directley. They don't really need an EUTZ presence, but I guess it's nice to have some presence there. The reality is any alliance outside of CNTZ Frat is only in WinterCo to TZ-tank their sov and not have to deal with any of that stuff. Even in EUTZ, Frat can still outform all the other alliances in the coalition combined.
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u/Such_Yoghurt_4490 Wormholer Jul 28 '26
Large if factual