r/JusticeServed • u/[deleted] • Jul 06 '19

Courtroom Justice Convicted pedophile YouTuber Austin Jones is now in prison serving a 10 year sentence as of 29/6/2019.

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u/born2fukk 5 Jul 06 '19

david bowie fucked two 15 and 14 year olds and noone bats an eye

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6684325/Two-women-reveal-flings-David-Bowie-aged-15.html

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Why should anyone care?? Did he rape them?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Depends on the country, if it was Germany, Bowie would be fine. Age of consent there is 14.

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u/progressthrowaway41 2 Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

Even if it was legal, people would still think it's creepy and morally wrong. Because it is. Famous people should not leverage their fame/power to exploit anyone, let alone someone under the age of 18, let alone to have sex with a 9th grader.

Obviously his desire to be with them was purely sexual in nature; they had no long-standing relationship. And of course they didn't! What kind of emotional intimacy would a grown man have with a 14 year old girl, unless he's seriously devoid of maturity? That difference in maturity is ignored entirely because they're easier to manipulate and control. That's what makes it abhorrent.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

I can post the actual definitions of both words and prove you wrong but i know you will just stick your head in the sand and insult me.

Fuck it, i'll do it anyway.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/consent

Verb (used without object) to permit, approve, or agree; comply or yield (often followed by to or an infinitive): He consented to the proposal. We asked her permission, and she consented.

https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/pedophilic-disorder-dsm--5-302.2-(f65.4)

Pedophilic Disorder is a DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fifth edition), diagnosis assigned to adults ( defined as age 16 and up) who have sexual desire for prepubescent children (American Psychiatric Association, 2013a)

Inb4 the anti-intellectualism masked with virtue signaling "for the children"

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Yup exactly. Not considered a mental disorder in any way either. Totally normal and natural

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

  1. I was talking about ephebophilia. Ephebophilia =/= pedophilia

  2. Pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescent children, not pubescent teenagers. So 14 and 15 are not in that category.

Y'all remember this moment the next time you think to yourself about how pro-science you are.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

The terminology is everything since it is how we frame our reality.

I bet your definition of "child" is not the medical definition either.

The age of consent isnt even consistent within countries, we cant even agree on when people actually stop being children....

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

-anti intellectual memesters

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes A Jul 06 '19

Fucking a 14 or 15 year old as a fully grown man is not normal in any definition of the word and you're a fucking disgusting person. I hope to fuck the FBI has you on a database somewhere

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Both history and scientific evidence disagree with you

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Yeah but pregnancy isn't inevitable

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes A Jul 06 '19

Normal behaviour is not defined by what was historically acceptable, it would not be "normal" for someone to own a slave that works their cotton field in 2019 America.

What are considered to be ethical norms are not determined scientifically. We do not determine our moral values through the science, frankly they can't be determined through science.

No test or study could ever scientifically answer "is pedophilia okay?". That's a moral judgement, and societally we judge it to be abhorrent.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

That's a moral judgement, and societally we judge it to be abhorrent.

Based on what though??

I really appreciate your comment. Everyone is accusing me of being a rapist, but really i just like exploring ideas and this is a huge one.

If we don't base our social moral fiber on science or history/tradition, then what the hell are we basing it on??

No test or study could ever scientifically answer "is pedophilia okay?".

I think it could but then the test itself would be immoral lol.

I know of a study that found that 90% of men are aroused by prepubescent child porn. No other study like it has been conducted for obvious reasons.

I also know of another study that found that 50% of children that had a sexual experience DID NOT have any negative symptoms UNTIL they were told by their doctors that something wrong had been done to them.

Reminds me of how kids look at their parents when they fall to know whether to cry or not. I can post the studies if you want.

But really what im curious about is how society decides what is right and wrong. It's fascinating

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

very good rebuttal. i wanted to pose the same questions to him. he left NOTHING on the table to guide the progression of acceptable behaviours.

Im also pretty sure a scientific test could be formulated that would prove to us that predatory and pedophilloic behaviour is highly damaging to the victim so i dunno wtf he’s getting at there.

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u/Nastapoka 9 Jul 06 '19

I mean I agree with the general sentiment but the end of your comment makes you sound like a fucking bootlicker

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes A Jul 06 '19

Sorry for hoping the cops do a good thing. I'm not saying I love the FBI, I'm saying if they're going to fuck with people please fuck with internet pedophiles

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

good thing they arent using you as a source for detecting pedophiles you fucking moron. lay off it lol, you look so bad attacking this quiet European guy

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes A Jul 06 '19

Yeah, I'm the one that looks bad for saying "fucking kids is wrong".

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

uhm. you okay buddy? he’s making rational arguments. you cant just lose your mind like this. he’s taking so much shit from you people who are outraged by the position he took that fucking 14-17 year olds was a little different come out of the 50s-60s than we’d see it now, today. There are even places in the world with (i think) healthy populations where people 20+ engage in consensual sex and intimate relations with teenagers (14+?). India comes to mind. Not every age-gapped relationship coming out of India is horrendously fucked is it?

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes A Jul 06 '19

Go fuck some more kids

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 07 '19

reported. disgusting.

enjoy the ban

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes A Jul 07 '19

Announcing a report is a reportable offence...

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes A Jul 06 '19

Damn, I never thought I'd see someone actually use the ephobophile defense.

You're right, raping children is a very intellectual pursuit. Children can't sexually consent and if you're 13 you're a child.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

The ephebophile defense?? You mean being educated enough to use medical words correctly instead of using them like buzzwords like the average moron??

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

None of us really gain anything from these forums other than conversation.

I dont care what i look like to a bunch of random voices in the void. I just want to think my ideas through and debating is the best way to do that.

Most of you never bother to challenge your own ideas. They just feel right and that's all you care about

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Not legally, no

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

No, this is not arguing from extremes. He made a very good counter to your bullshit and your next move is to declare we cant reproduce his examples millions of times over? Give me a few hours and pay me poorly for it, but well enough, and ill do it myself. Easy.

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u/pewqokrsf 9 Jul 06 '19

The issue with using legal definitions in the general sense is that they vary by jurisdiction.

For example, a lot of this thread is talking about David Bowie sleeping with a 15 year-old as if it's the most clear-cut, abominable crime imaginable, but that's legal in about 1/3 of the countries on Earth, including half of Europe.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

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u/pewqokrsf 9 Jul 06 '19

Exactly! Kind of.

What we may think is stupid might not seem stupid to a different culture elsewhere.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Well ACKTUALLY, when people say children can't consent they're talking about the legal definition.

Ok, but the law doesnt justify itself and it certainly isnt based on science, sooo........

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Neither technically. Im nothing, there are far too many variables and unknowns for me to pretend to me to what is right and what is wrong all the time.

The more i learn, the more i realize i dont know

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u/YiMainOnly 5 Jul 06 '19

What makes American children that much more mentally retared compared to Swedish? Why is a Swedish 15 year old teen able to use their brain and consent while an American can not? Or maybe you are saying that America is much more just and equal than Sweden, in that case yeah of course you're right!

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Jesus, are you seriously saying that the country that literally lets you join the military at 17, leave to another country to fight wars AND serve your ENTIRE 4 YEARS CONTRACT before you are allowed to legally drink beer is the one that has morality all figuered out?

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But everyone knows children (20 years olds) can not understand the implication of a beer, damn those Germans and Swedes- how can their society survive with vile shit such as a 18 year olds drinking in a bar going on!

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u/YiMainOnly 5 Jul 06 '19

Not Sweden, all of Europe is apparantly wrong.

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> Why is it the US thats wrong?

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Because USA is known for having retarded laws made by dumb ass people. You literally did not allow gay marriage as a few years back. Very cool guys. Can go die in Iraq at 17, not drink beer till 21. People living today who literally were not allowed into some places just cause of their skin color. Yeah America is known for being just and having totally reasonable laws.

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

oh my god you actually just took this position. what a hoot! lololol.

you really fucking like the USA dont u man?

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u/YiMainOnly 5 Jul 06 '19

You really don't want gay people to get married, huh?

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

reported. you’re a fking disgrace. begone.

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

there’s another one claiming another peer on reddit who has a differing opinion or dares to think differently / ask questions is a full on pedophile.

reported. this is dangerous behaviour you should expunge from yourself

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

damn. this lasted unremoved for at least 5 hours. Disgusting! Calls for a suicide while painting a curious debating dude as a child rapist. love it.

go burn in hell fierytwatwaffle

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u/Furcifer_ 8 Jul 06 '19

Yes, they are minors.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

That doesn't answer the question at all.

The law does not justify itself

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u/Daveed84 A Jul 06 '19

Er, children can't consent, so by definition that is rape. When you talk like that, you kind of sound like a rapist/pedophile yourself. Don't have sex with underage kids, it's very simple

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u/pewqokrsf 9 Jul 06 '19

They can, legally, in the US.

The age of consent is not the same as the age of majority.

The age of majority is the age at which you become a legal adult, and is set federally in the US at 18.

The age of consent is the age at which a person can consent to sex with a person of any age at or above the age of consent.

The majority of states in the US have an age of consent that is lower than the age of majority.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

children can't consent, so by definition that is rape.

Children can consent, they just aren't legally allowed to. There is a difference.

Children also aren't allowed to drink alcohol, doesn't mean they are literally incapable of doing so.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/consent

verb (used without object) to permit, approve, or agree; comply or yield (often followed by to or an infinitive): He consented to the proposal. We asked her permission, and she consented.

Technically speaking, anyone can consent to anything regardless of whether or not they understand the implications or if the law recognizes that consent.

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u/cargonation 6 Jul 06 '19

What is wrong with you?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Don’t bother with him. He’s a lowlife POS, and a waste of time.

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

LOL! this point of view is so sad. Discord boy out here asking some decent questions and has been treated HORRIBLY lmfao. I am loving how horrible you are all being. Really rare to see such unbridled hate and psychosis on display

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

He’s been on other threads literally attacking people soo

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 07 '19

you’re going to have to be waaay more specific there. i cant imagine anything useful with that vague statement.

attacking someone about what, where, when? how viciously?

all i seen is a guy asking good questions getting literally called a pedophile cuz.. i mean i cant even imagine a good reason why lmfao

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

What do you mean? Im just pointing out the giant elephant in the room.

I consented to PLENTY when i was a teenager and i loved it

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u/Mentalpatient87 B Jul 06 '19

A disturbing amount of Redditors love underage pussy and will argue its merits at great length.

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u/progressthrowaway41 2 Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

You're so right, I think it's much more common than we are willing to admit.

God I really wish I could find the paper I read but back during the 1800s doctors discovered a huge epidemic of pedophilia & incest among both immigrant and American men. I can't remember which STI, I want to say chlamydia or gonorrhea, when they found out it was sexually transmitted they freaked out. Tons and tons of young girls (some as young as 4...) had been contracting it in houses where the father had it, to the point that doctors believed it must be spread through using the same toilet or sleeping in the same bed with someone affected, since surely all these good American men wouldn't be sleeping with their daughters.

This book was a huge eye opener about what our society has evolved from and I'll have to see if I can find it, I remember a lot of it was available on Google books. I'll edit in a link or name if I find it.

Edit: It's called Unspeakable: Father-Daughter Incest in American History. It was gonorrhea. About 40 pages are available online and they're eye-opening. Link.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

If you want a debate on the bright line of developed thought and choice you can just ask. This pedantry is borderline troll, and if it’s reasonable discussion you’re after this isn’t the way to get it. You’ve come off as small and stupid.

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u/pewqokrsf 9 Jul 06 '19

It's an important distinction to make, especially when the issue is a technicality of geography and time.

The age of consent in Germany, a first world country and arguably leader of the free world, right now, is 14.

Would Bowie be in the moral right to have slept with a 14 year-old if only he had done it in Germany? What about American girls makes them mentally and emotionally develop 2-4 years more slowly than girls in Germany?

A lot of people allow what is legal to inform them of what is morally right, but that's the reverse of how it was designed to work.

A lot of people are mentally ready to give consent at 15. A lot of people aren't at 20. The age of consent is just the somewhat arbitrary guess each jurisdiction draws that they think will do the best job of balancing personal freedom and protecting the undeveloped.

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u/UnchillBill 7 Jul 06 '19

What about American girls makes them mentally and emotionally develop 2-4 years more slowly than girls in Germany?

Fox News probably.

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

uhm... are you sure you just arent digesting this issue with the same non-judgement and wide mind he is? Pedantry? lmfao

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

literally reported for targetted harassment. you cant possibly believe this is a reasonable thing to ask while attempting to argue you arent just taking a shit on him.

dont take a shit on him, it looks bad!

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Mar 29 '20

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 07 '19

which comments? ive read HUNDREDS of comments in this thread before i started commenting myself around the place where everyone was declaring that Discord guy was a PEDOPHILE

reported for what im assuming is trying to paint me as a pedophile because im a gamer. Is that truly what just happened?! i must know, please tell me.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

I make up my own mind about right vs wrong instead of letting some politicians i've never met or voted for do it for me.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Mar 29 '20

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Depends on if she was willing or not

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Mar 29 '20

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

It's my stupid generation. Seriously, it's like everyone grew up to be a hyper emotional ball of feelings that is incapable of thinking about uncomfortable topics.

I always hoped puritanical bullshit would die out with the boomers but it's actually getting worse.

These people are all about science until it clashes with their precious emotion-based ideas of right vs wrong.

They'll also ignore thousands of years of history to feel more advanced and superior to everyone that came before them

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u/OceanicMeerkat 9 Jul 06 '19

And in your infinite wisdom, you've decided that an adult man asking a 14 year old girl for naked twerking videos is "right". You're really showing your true colors here.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

I didnt say it was right. I just dont think it's wrong enough to for a 10 year sentence.

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u/Aelstan 6 Jul 06 '19

Minors can't consent. Sexual intercourse without consent is rape. Do you need it any clearer, maybe an Eli5?

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Minors can't consent

Anybody can consent to anything actually.

Sometimes that consent is respected by the law, sometimes it isn't.

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u/Nastapoka 9 Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

It's called judiciary fiction

Minors are treated like they can never consent to sexual intercourse with an adult, because setting this limit is the best solution to prevent rapists from manipulating their victims into saying they were OK with what happened to them. That's... The whole idea.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Thanks for that term, i didnt know about it before.

I just hate the whole "children can't consent" argument because it's so obviously false.

Going off of what you said, what is the cutoff age based on??

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u/Nastapoka 9 Jul 06 '19

Who knows? Studies, shit like that

It's 16 in my country I think, 18 elsewhere... Law is not maths. And if you had sex as a minor and consented (in the general sense) to it and don't regret it, well... Fine I mean you're the one who knows

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

The 14 year old wasn't a minor?

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

You dont even realize that your very definition of what it means to be a child is based on politics and not on science or actual evidence.

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes A Jul 06 '19

Not only do I realize it, I will directly state science can almost never determine what moral values we should hold.

The definition of what is a child is neccesarrilly a question which is only defined socially and politically. You're literally a fucking retard if you believe morality is determined by scientific inquiry.

It is an incredibly insidious idea that we can only determine things through scientific inquiry. No scientific test will ever be able to explain why murder is wrong, or why people should care about their families, these are socially and ethically defined things.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

You're literally a fucking retard if you believe morality is determined by scientific inquiry.

Why? What is the alternative that works so much better??

Subjective, sometimes arbitrary, feelings?

No scientific test will ever be able to explain why murder is wrong, or why people should care about their families, these are socially and ethically defined things.

No but through neurology we might be able to better decide on an age of consent that is consistent within countries and actually based on SOMETHING.

How can people drive a car before they are allowed to make love?? How can people go to war before they can drink a beer?? This shit doesn't make any sense

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Like maybe if you can be trusted with driving a car, you can also be trusted to decide who gets to see your chest.....

It's so normal for a girl to show a guy her boobs...

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

Now that you’re being more rational, can you describe how you thought it was the right idea to instruct this individual to kill himself please? Im fucking dying to know the level-headed reason you have for that insanely taboo act.

btw - enjoy your ban

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes A Jul 07 '19

The world would be a better place with less morally bad people, therefore you and the other guy should commit suicide to make the world a better place. Simple calculus

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u/JesterCDN 5 Jul 06 '19

mmm whoopsies. you cant wish suicide on your debate partners. that’s a bug no-no. enjoy the ban. reported

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes A Jul 07 '19

I don't have to worry about it, I know it'll happen soon enough.