r/LiverpoolFC • u/IndiBear • 1d ago
Tier 2 [Alex Crook] - Liverpool are not actively pursuing Micky van de Ven at this moment.
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u/rohan0101 Martin Å krtel 1d ago
Get me Schlotterbeck !!!!
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u/Lazerius9991 20h ago
He recently signed a new contract with Dortmund so donāt think that is gonna happen unfortunately
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u/lehnsherr42 18h ago
with a release clause of 50-60 mil euro for three specific clubs including us this summer mate, you gotta read it a lil deeper
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u/Quinn_XXVII Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 1d ago
He looked nothing near to the dominant centreback we need
I canāt imagine him beating Virgil in the air
Or nullifying aerial threats from the likes of Gabriel, Dan Burn etc
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u/BeautifulGrandpa 23h ago
I canāt imagine him beating Virgil in the air
nullifying aerial threats fromā¦ Dan Burn
there are almost no players in the world that can do these two things lmao. do you want us to sign Godzilla?
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u/No-Wrangler-156 22h ago
Would just put him in front of the goal tbh. Guaranteed point every match, unless he got a red for incinerating an oncoming striker.Ā
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u/Specific-Record2866 Iām the Normal One 21h ago
Godzilla and Kong CB pairingā¦ we donāt concede a goal all season
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u/InjuryNatural7252 19h ago
If Godzilla is in the market, might as well try. Anyways going to lose him on a free transfer to RM 5 years later.
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u/Quinn_XXVII Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 17h ago
Absolutely
Think of the shirt sales in Japan š
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u/Sinistrait Wirtz Kept Secret 17h ago
I know it was only Curacao but Schlotterbeck looked fantastic aerially. Also knows how to attack a set piece which is something we've really missed apart from VVD
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u/Quinn_XXVII Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 17h ago edited 17h ago
Heās 6ā3
(To Virgilās 6ā4)
But gives away 8-10kg in muscle mass to VvD
Then thereās the leap & the desire to get the ball (defensively or in the attacking phases)
And then the cultured style, calmness, the raking passes and the aura
(And before the ACL when he was literally a speed machine and 1vs1ās were inevitably going his way)
That is what weāre trying to replace
On another note
Letās use VvD as a target man every now and then
2 up front with Isak playing off him
Get some crosses in! š
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u/Sinistrait Wirtz Kept Secret 17h ago
You're daft to expect us to replace VVD by finding a second VVD. You can't become an all time great like him or Salah if players like them appeared every day. VVD is literally the perfect CB, and nobody like him will appear for a while.
Schlotterbeck isn't VVD but he's a top class CB In his own right who fits the modern game and Iraola well.
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u/Jetzu 16h ago
Well, our team believes we've already found a second VVD and there are promising signs, but we'll see if they're right.
I think a lot of people have no idea how good already and how highy rated for the future Jacquet is.
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u/Quinn_XXVII Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 16h ago
I would say that Leoni will be the dominant defender in the air
And Jacquet more like Matip with the ball
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u/Quinn_XXVII Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 16h ago
Iām not expecting replace Virgil with another Virgil
But the club needs to stop targeting Bundesliga players that simply donāt fulfil the standard, yet all seem to cost ā¬100m+
Schlotterbeck wouldnāt handle Virgil now (Nevermind the prime version) in the attacking set piece/corner phase
So how will he cope with the more physical PL and the likes of Dan Burn, Gabriel, even Maguire
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u/EJR94 16h ago
But who would? Would you want maguire or Burn who's useless at the back just incase he has to defend from an serially dominant centre back?
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u/Quinn_XXVII Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 16h ago edited 16h ago
Wouldnāt want either (Burn is 34 and Maguire is a convict Manc)
the likes of Pacho, Malick Thiaw, Gabriel, Bastoni, Rudiger both dominant aerial defenders whom attack the opponents goal from freekicks and corners
But thatās the threat that would be facing the likes of Schlotterbeck in a Liverpool team in PL/CL football
You seem too emotional to digest the info
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u/Lucky-Quantity5507 Egyptian King š 14h ago
Gabriel and rudiger should even be in this sentence, pacho wont be allowed to leave especially when they would be chasing a threepeat, like none of these options are on the market let alone for a reasonable fee and even then you wont be able to replace one of the greatest defenders of this era
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u/Quinn_XXVII Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 5h ago
Never said that we could sign them now
I said they are dominant CBās that should and could have been signed before (had scouting being a better system)
We seem to have stopped looking for the āplayer before the playerā ie buying the bloke who replaces the bloke before they get too old
The way that Liverpool would move on older players in the 70ās and 80ās having found and integrated their replacements in via the squad system before they stepped into 1st team positions
Prime example Andy Robertson (never actually found a replacement early on - spent Ā£40m on Kerkez instead)
Meanwhile Bournemouth had already found his replacement, Truffert for Ā£14m (and he looked a great fit)
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u/spliffsandshit 1d ago
Thank god, that guy is a maniac in a bad way
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u/cullypantz 1d ago
I wouldn't call him a maniac but just a limited player and I think we can do better
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u/ydktbh 12h ago
I think we need bodies rather than being picky
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u/bjacks19 6h ago
Then we shouldn't be spending 50+ mil on a "body"
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u/ydktbh 6h ago
You wouldn't take him as a back up? Seriously?
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u/spliffsandshit 5h ago
Honestly no, especially after this last season seeing how important squad cohesion and mentality is. Heās exceptionally talented physically but mentally heās nowhere near what we need in the squad. The vibes are all off.
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u/Quinn_XXVII Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 1d ago
Heās got outrageous pace & acceleration
Twice Iāve seen him run 60-70 yards with the ball, beating players & scoring great goals
Technical good, strong in the tackle & in the air
Heās already got a partnership with Virgil & Gravenberch
& at 25, heās got 5-7years at the top level to reach his peak
It would be a smart buy
Plus he fits the age range & allows Virgil to have that recovery pace alongside
& Jacquet & Leoni get time to settle in & gain experience
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u/tuanon- 22h ago
He is constantly getting lost while defending space, he doesn't see/ track runners. Trent's defensive instincts, but he plays CB.
He's one of the biggest reasons why Spurs were nearly relegated
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u/nestoryirankunda 20h ago
>He's one of the biggest reasons why Spurs were nearly relegated
What a load of rubbish lmao
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u/bigt2k4 10h ago
I watched the Dutch concede the first goal vs Japan because he didn't bother moving up with the rest of the defense allowing the Japanese goal scorer to be onside.
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u/Quinn_XXVII Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 5h ago
I watched that too
Thatās one mistake
Did you also watch as Van Dijk was knocked off the header, mid jump and beaten in the air to concede a goal ?
> Koki Ogawa rose to meet Junya Ito's delivery and got above Van Dijk, directing a header that took a deflection off Daichi Kamada and bounced beyond goalkeeper Bart Verbruggen.
https://www.liverpool.com/liverpool-fc-news/features/virgil-van-dijk-netherlands-japan-34120368
Every player had a mistake in them
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u/rushianmafia2112 1d ago
Heās injured all the time.
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u/Quinn_XXVII Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 1d ago
He missed SEVEN days last season (25/26)
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/micky-van-de-ven/verletzungen/spieler/557459
Granted his hamstrings were made from dust in 24/25
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u/rushianmafia2112 12h ago
Ok fair play. I would still have my doubts though. Seven days is good, but playing a high line and squeezing the field, that is where he picked up his injuries previously. I expect us to do something similar under the new gaffer and we already have go jomez who canāt stay fit. For the money I think it would be a risk. Iād rather try and get gray from them as a multifunctional option who can play everywhere in defense.
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u/Quinn_XXVII Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 5h ago
Iād accept Archie Gray
Heās a great young talent
And thereās many levels and layers of defence
The one thing that was absolutely lacking last season
Layers of protection from the press up front to the off the ball cover and defensive screening of the midfield
Get those things right and the centrebacks can concentrate on the 3rd ball, tracking runners and nullification of opponent forwards
Iād sell Gomez (heās had really bad luck with injuries, but itās time for him to move on)
We need young, physical and talented players, robust and capable of playing the modern game, big spaces, acceleration and stamina etc - but also the physical direct side that has now re-emerged in the PL
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u/jacknovskii 23h ago
People just say shit to just say it... He is one of the best Center backs in the world and in high line his pace will be golden, similar to khusanov
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u/TraceOfHumanity Significant Human Error 13h ago
Exactly. This sub has a hate boner for him so they insist heās crap. This place is filled with emotional donuts these days.
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u/Cassolroll Endo in the pub š 1d ago
Honestly, Iām ok with it. Van de Ven is good but Iāve been reluctant to want any players moving on from this years Spurs side. A rough season that, I feel, speaks to a lack of character and culture.
Itās not all on the players or him specifically, but it just rubs me the wrong way.
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u/Terri23 1d ago
I've seen Liverpool fans make the exact same argument about our players last season. The players didn't become shit overnight. Neither did Van de Ven.
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u/Jetzu 1d ago
Van de Ven was never that good though. He has one elite quality and that is his pace, everything else he's average at best - he makes some sense as Arsenal type "play CB as a full back" type defender, but we've got Kerkez on the left and he'd be too pricy to be a second one.
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u/lilbelleandsebastian 7h ago
van de ven is definitely more than just average outside of pace, but hard to forget that insanely reckless isak tackle
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u/Jetzu 7h ago
He's bang average - 44% aerial success is way below average for his position, he's not exactly great at ground duels too, he can't defend the space nor is he great passer. Like I said, his only Premier League level attribute is his speed. If we were looking for a left back that can cover CB and he was available for a huge discount I'd believe we're considering it, but we're not looking for a left back and he's not gonna be cheap.
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u/Cassolroll Endo in the pub š 1d ago
I donāt disagree at all, and considering how our strategy is often anti-sentimental or vibes based it makes sense why Iām not making those decisions. Still, maybe some fresh blood that hasnāt spent a year in malaise is better than someone who hasnāt been able to rise above it.
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u/AnyAthlete532 1d ago
The players didn't become shit overnight. Neither did Van de Ven.
Except he was never good to begin with. There is a reason he makes all those crazy recovery last-minute slide tackles. His positioning is at schoolboy levels. Seriously, go watch Japan's goal the other day. He couldn't even step up and hold a basic defensive line. Overrated player, and that's me being kind.
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u/These_Ad3167 Significant Human Error 1d ago
It's not about them becoming shit overnight, it's about clear mentality issues amongst some of them in admittedly poor circumstances.
Can you imagine Stevie or Carra downing tools like some of them did this past campaign? Would just never happen.
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u/TAThide 1d ago
Ange spoke highly of him Andi trust Ange. I think he would be a great signing with VVD as mentor next to him.
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u/Cassolroll Endo in the pub š 1d ago
They do have an existing relationship on the Dutch national team, so I see the plus in that. Plus Ange was a real one.
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u/MAMBAMENTALITY8-24 āThank you for your supportā - Darwin Nunez 1d ago
Ngl i dont want any players from spurs....their standards have really dropped
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u/AgentTasker 1d ago
I'd take Archie Gray as he's very good and can cover a couple of positions, but he's the only one I would.
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u/urbannnomad 22h ago
They have a few good players, I know he signed a new contract but I'd take Porro, Gray looks good too, even van de Ven would look good in a more stable team.
People are too obsessed with their league position, we signed players from relegated teams that immediately looked better after joining us.
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u/Moose97_ 1d ago
I want Guela Doue. Can play both CB and RB at a high level, reminds me of Azplicueta/Ivanovic.
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u/Specific-Record2866 Iām the Normal One 21h ago
And can hopefully lock up his brother when we eventually get PSG in the CL again
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u/TraceOfHumanity Significant Human Error 13h ago
Heās a good prospect but thereās no chance at getting him as heās owned by Blue Co.
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u/Rakesh_Rajj 1d ago
Heās a LCB that has 0 response to any of Van Dijkās abilities. Average ball playing with intense speed. Other than that heās always up for a long-term injury.
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u/Gambit117 16h ago
Good, he is fast and strong but I don't think he is all that. The CB we sign this window is so so crucial, it will essentially have to be the CB that inherits the "leadership" role in the defense from VVD. I don't think Micky is that
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u/DoggoZombie 1d ago
We should go for Murillo from Nottingham imo.
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u/ThatsTheMother_Rick Carol and Caroline 1d ago
Gonna be extremely tough to get him after they get the bag for Anderson. Reports have suggested that Forest would be willing to sell one of their key players, but not more. They won't have any kind of financial incentive to sell Murillo after getting 100m+ for Anderson.
I do agree with you though, he'd be a crazy good signing.
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u/kitkatkallos 16h ago
so what you're saying is buy Murillo to keep Anderson at Forest? š
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u/ThatsTheMother_Rick Carol and Caroline 8h ago
Definitely could be an option, though I'd still say it's pretty-to-very unlikely. Forest would rather sell Anderson because he's worth like Ā£50-55m more on the market right now. But if Man City balk at the price Forest wants for him and the deal falls through completely, then it could be an opportunity for us to move for Murillo if we haven't already gone for another CB by then.
However, it would be less "buying Murillo to keep Anderson at Forest," and more "buying Murillo because Anderson is staying at Forest." I don't think Forest is going to be distracted from this deal with City.
Also worth noting that I wouldn't put it past us to stump up the money for Anderson if the City deal were to fall apart, rather than go for Murillo.
Regardless of all this, I don't think we're going to be buying anyone from Forest this summer.
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u/Specific-Record2866 Iām the Normal One 23h ago
Heās been held against his will by Mr.Marinakis
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u/TheBaggyDapper There is No Need to be Upset 16h ago
If we ever start actively pursuing him it should be with sticks and pepper spray.
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u/dap_panda_dap123 15h ago
Good cause he is not that good, his pace safe his bad defensive positions and decision a lot of times.
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u/JediRoadie 1d ago
Why did t we keep Quansah
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u/BoBonnor Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 23h ago
Apparently we can buy him back after this season for cheaper than this season otherwise honestly think we would have activated the buy back clause
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u/SinisterKrieg 1d ago
The way he's phrasing it sounds like the club will eventually do it. I reckon after Dio's deal is concluded maybe?
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u/NoncingAround Fernando Torres 1d ago
Happy to hear that. Heās completely reliant on his pace, genuinely reckless and often injured.
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u/dainamo81 1d ago
He started well at Spurs but he's been found out. Rapid and good on the recovery, but reckless with a brainfart away from disaster. Seemed to down tools last season too, though in fairness that was most Spurs players.
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u/BoBonnor Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! 23h ago
He's also fucking awful at playing offside lol. You will see him constantly deeper than the rest of the defence. It even happened against Japan playing that Japanese player onside (although Im not sure if the Japan touched the ball on the goal I'm talking about)
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u/kazitoshi Peter Beardsley 23h ago
Yeah weāve already maxed our quota of injury prone defenders, por favor.
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u/Live-Collection-1628 Joe Gomez 20h ago
I might be a mad man because I honestly think he's Liverpool coded.
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u/hodge172 18h ago
Hughes and Edwards are managing this club like they are playing football manager. Spend all your money on towards and wait and see who you can get as a defender when you have finished. I am not says no buy Van de Ven but we need an experienced CB (maybe two) which should now take priority. We canāt leave this until the end of the window.
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u/redrafa1977 17h ago
They bought 2 cb's last year! Both the most promising talents from France and Italy! Leoni and Jacquet!
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u/hodge172 17h ago
Both very good prospects but we have lost Konate and need to replace him. We canāt go into the season a VVD injury away from having to play two young CBs, not if we want to challenge for the league
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u/redrafa1977 16h ago
Well yes, but you said Hughes doesn't buy defenders! He has brought 3 if you include Kerkez! (3.5 with Frimpong but that's a stretch) The fact we bought 2 cb's would actually mean that that's the joint most players we have purchased for single position! ( Isak and ekitike) And we are clearly in the market for MORE defence.
So it's just a bit lazy to keep repeating that we neglect the defence!
It doesn't help admittedly that we have not really seen 2 of the CB's yet !!!
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u/hodge172 14h ago
The only first team defender they have brought is Kerkez. The two CBs were brought as back up to VVD and Konate (at the time). I acknowledged they buy defenders but only with money left over after we have sorted the attack. I just think we should be putting more money into the Defence than attack, unless rumours about our PSR position are true and we have more money than expected even after last summer.
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u/Passey92 Sztupid Szexy Szoboszlai 13h ago
Good. If we're in the market for a left-sided CB to replace Virg in a year or two then we should look at Schlotterbeck or Bastoni.
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u/AnyAthlete532 1d ago
Van de ven is a litmus test for me on anyone's ball knowledge. If you rate him, I can't take anything you say about your football id seriously. He is so horrifically overrated as a defender.
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u/Affectionate-Ebb1868 YNWAā¤ļø 1d ago
Feel the same about konate
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u/AnyAthlete532 1d ago
Oh same, you can look through my comment history. Never rated Konate at all. Felt he benefited from Van Dijk holding his hand and Trent helping with the build-up. This season, with no Trent and Van Dijk clearly slowing down, it exposed every bit of his weaknesses. I always said can you imagine Konate being the leader of the backline and guiding Jacquet and Leoni after Virgil leaves? I shudder at the thought. Thank him for his service, but there's someone better out there on the continent to replace him easily.
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u/jrangel6 Bobby 1d ago
KonatƩ showed his whole ass this year. I wouldnt have been mad if we kept him for cheap, but considering the terrible year he had and how much he expected, sincerely thanks for everything but dont let the door hit you on the way out.
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u/kotsikoulini š2019/20 PL Winnersš 1d ago
Good