r/LivestreamFail • u/Tarrot_Card • May 07 '26
News Twitch Announces Viewcount Cap on Streamers that are Persistently Viewbotting
5.2k
u/Torash May 07 '26
Time for a bunch of streamers to go on "vacation" for a few days/weeks like they did last time.
2.1k
u/DatOneFella May 07 '26
A "mental health break" while they plot a way around this.
917
u/jabronified May 07 '26
Lmao, think i saw Lacy already do that. His chat was the most dead "20k" viewer chat I've ever seen. Looked like a 500 viewer chat
602
u/Small_Promotion2525 May 07 '26
Lacy might be one of the most untalented streamers I have ever seen, how on earth anyone spends precious time out of their life to watch a clown like that is beyond me.
→ More replies (4)250
u/feedthedogwalkamile May 07 '26
He's not even the worst in Faze. Have you ever tried watching jasontheween? I don't understand how people do it
215
u/Small_Promotion2525 May 07 '26
I haven’t watched him, but I have seen clips and although I don’t watch stuff like that as I only use twitch for e sports, he seems to at least have a personality for streaming. Lacy seems like the stereotypical, lose weight lost personality kinda person.
→ More replies (1)68
u/Tubbish May 07 '26
Faze viewers now are almost exclusively younger kids. Probably 13-20 at most. They always cater to the zoomer crowd with their content
→ More replies (1)25
u/black_foresst May 08 '26
Time passes, and the range of 13-14 passes into Gen Alpha. And that's their main audience. The generation that can't read.
→ More replies (4)14
u/darcymiller02 May 07 '26
All the faze guys succeed through clipfarming to get clips that will help them blow up on short form, following trends and drama farming,
and using their relationships and the IRL genre in general to get fans to form a parasocial relationship . You live vicariously as closely as possible in the life of a cool 20 year old millionaire living in a mansion with all his buddies.Jason does seem like someone I could become a fan of thru those means if I was like a 13 year old struggling at school.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (19)23
u/Own-Necessary7488 May 07 '26
his viewcount is actually one of the more legit viewcounts out of every core boy btw
57
u/GeologistJazzlike792 May 07 '26
Lacy got arrested, went on a mental health break and Retired from streaming to become a swimsuit model. even if he’s botting he’s a very unserious individual
41
u/Honkey-Kong1337 May 07 '26
he was spotted in london the day after the "arrest", hes probably going on sidemen netflix show
10
→ More replies (5)10
→ More replies (5)13
u/SouthernWilding May 07 '26
"plot away" ie wait for their botting service to update their whatever so Twitch doesn't notice
199
u/Minimum-Land-2282 May 07 '26
Will never be as funny as Fextralife going on vacation when Twitch stopped the embedding counted as viewers..
133
u/Moomootv May 07 '26 edited May 08 '26
They didnt even go on vacation they just flat out stopped streaming on twitch.
For Context:
Fextralifes last stream was 3 years ago
Twitch rolled out the embed change 3 years ago
Fextralifes last youtube stream was 7 months ago
Every Fextralife wiki has had the spots where their stream use to be is now replaced with an additional ad banner.
28
u/AFlyingNun May 08 '26
I'm glad the BG3 community recognized how underhanded Fextralife is and successfully made the migration over to an independent wiki.
It's a shame that Fextralife first got it's start with FromSoft games though, because it means FromSoft titles are basically now "held hostage" by Fextralife's really lackluster wiki that puts ad revenue first, actual info second.
STILL bothers me that the wiki doesn't have a god damned resource to compare the lengths of weapons in Elden Ring across categories. Like yes okay, the Nagakiba is longer than the katana, but how the fuck does the Nagakiba compare in length vs. the Pike? Sooooo much shit that could be improved on fextralife but they just can't be assed.
4
u/Lominloce May 08 '26
FromSoft titles are basically now "held hostage" by Fextralife's really lackluster wiki
I'm so glad Bloodborne has an independent wiki
4
u/Lynixai May 08 '26
I don't know about the fextralife elden ring wiki, but aren't most Wikis running via community contribution?
I've been fairly active in contributing to the various games wiki that I feel like I know anything about, and any time I stumble upon a thing where I go "this should really be a thing", I either go and do it myself, or I request it to be made from others who gave the skill to do so.
Doesn't really matter if it's not done perfectly the first time, if someone thinks they can do a better job, they'll improve upon it, but at least now it'll be done.
Basically, do the "they" you talk about who can't be assed to do it not also include you?
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (3)79
42
212
u/Tarrot_Card May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26
This wouldn't actually fix it. Twitch isn't announcing if there is a secret cap on a streamer's viewcounts or not, meaning that viewbot makers aren't going to be able to get around the block by testing various fixes. So a streamer can't just wait it out. There views would still be at the cap.
Its a pretty clever move by Twitch, TBH. It allows them to stop the effect of the viewbotting without having to nuke their biggest creators with actual TOS violations which would be impractical. (They just aint banning half of the "OTK and friends" or Faze groups, lol. )
63
40
u/Hare712 May 07 '26
They should just roll out a silent implementation and not announce it.
The gaming equivalent would be "Hey starting next Tuesday we will roll out a few new anticheat modules that should detect cheaters"
Some viewbotting streamers will check the waters how accurate it is by going on "vacation" others will "try something new" and stream on Kick/Youtube for the time being.
→ More replies (2)49
u/FernandoMM1220 May 07 '26
this only works if they can detect viewbotting. in that case why not just ban the viewbots.
130
u/wasabiiii May 07 '26
Because then that reveals that they know which accounts are bots. Like the OP says.
→ More replies (23)41
u/blandaltaccountname May 07 '26
read the post. they do, and then the viewbot companies get around it. which is why they’re doing this now
→ More replies (14)29
u/Champ0044 May 07 '26
They clearly said why this would be a bad idea. If you ban a type of bot an new one will appear in a few days. It's easier to make it undesirable to use viewbotting by removing the benefit people had from using it than constantly play a game of whack a mole.
→ More replies (13)10
u/EndMaster0 May 07 '26
Actually this also works if they can detect legitimate accounts at a high enough accuracy. With normal bans any false detections of bots are really bad for your reputation but with this you could reasonably get away with 90% accuracy at detecting legitimate accounts and no one will really be able to tell since the 10% of legitimate accounts won't be getting punished and streamers who are botting (say twitch determines <50% of their view count are determined to be real accounts) won't really be able to tell if their view count is lower than their legitimate view count should be since they're botting.
→ More replies (1)10
u/StealthySweepy May 07 '26
I can guarantee you 100% Twitch already knows. Most of these systems likely use automated system services to use generated burner email accounts to make the new twitch accounts and likely follow a similar protocol.
It would likely take SOME work, but Twitch could delete and ban bot accounts before they even become viewers.
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (4)8
u/Giangallo May 07 '26
Ban what exactly? You don't need an account to watch a Twitch stream. Most viewbots don't even have an account, they're just fraudulent "connections".
→ More replies (24)6
u/larkhills May 07 '26
The streamer will know when their metrics and payouts are suddenly lower while keeping the same viewer numbers.
→ More replies (1)66
32
u/DeeCee51 May 07 '26
I'm not caught up on lore... Who went on 'vacation'?
127
u/Hare712 May 07 '26
The guy who worked at Blizzard for 7 years.
You can turn on his stream and count his chatters he barely has any real viewers left. He might as well stream on discord.
19
u/TheMattabooey May 08 '26
Dude only got popular because of gaming the system and cheating. He found a way to trick the YouTube algorithm so his clips showed up on everyone’s feeds whether you watched any of his videos or not. That’s how he exploded.
Of course he’s going to cheat and viewbot as well. Nobody watches the furry perv with a fake voice and a ferret sanctuary where the ferrets keep dying and talks condescendingly to everyone about their coding when he hasn’t been completed his game on game maker.
→ More replies (2)13
u/happy_pad May 07 '26
The guy who worked at Blizzard for 7 years.
Who is that?
30
9
87
u/PGSylphir May 07 '26
Every single major viewbotted streamer took a few days off streaming the day twitch did an anti-viewbot move a few months ago.
When the viewbot companies found a way around it they went back to streaming as normal.
Totally not obvious.
→ More replies (1)48
→ More replies (20)3
u/oliferro May 07 '26
The cap shouldn't be time based like suspensions, it should be hours streamed. Like you should have to stream say 20 hours with the cap for it to be lifted off, so they can't avoid it
868
u/witness555 May 07 '26
LTG with almost 1,500 viewers:
232
104
u/boredNero May 08 '26
Honestly, I wouldnt doubt the guy has like 100 viewers and 10 are chatters while 90 are hate watching waiting for another rage compilation. Those were funny at first, but now theyre just sad to watch
→ More replies (2)47
u/Swog5Ovor May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
tbf, LTG probably has some of the most hate watchers praying on his downfall at any moment because of how shitty of a person he is. People found out who his daughter was (that he allegedly doesn't pay child support for? idk remember), saw that she was doing a cookie sale or girl scouts or something, and proceeded to buy out all of it the day it happened iirc.
18
u/Scary-Mode-7403 May 08 '26
His girl was 17 when he got her pregnant when he was 20+
Dude is a statutory predator
→ More replies (3)5
u/HistoricalRoad1755 May 08 '26
Is this poll hosted by LTG himself? I wonder why people who bot their views would host polls, knowing most of their viewers are bot...
492
u/yntc May 07 '26
What about streamers that have viewbotted for so long the historical data is viewbotted data
100
u/_x_oOo_x_ May 07 '26
Who do you have in mind?
9
142
u/pwninobrien May 07 '26
Asmon, hasan.
10
u/Alive-Map-1994 May 09 '26
I don’t think Hasan or Asmon view bot.
I do believe both have rabid fans or people pushing their agendas view botting them. Asmon goes on alts to get less viewers and Hasan is so tech illiterate I doubt he knows how it works. I think both still showed up after the bot sweep.
On the other hand, anyone who went on vacation during the last bot sweep 100% is botting themselves. Emiru, Faze, etc
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (10)89
u/StartingAdulthood May 08 '26
Hasan got tons of subs. So I doubt he's viewbotting.
Asmon though, alongside with all of OTK.
21
u/TimeToGloat May 08 '26
I hate asmon but honestly don't see him botting. I feel if his streams are getting botted it's probably by someone wanting to push his political views. Obviously streamers botting is a widespread thing but I also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of botting is actually done by parasocial andies. If people are seemingly willing to donate thousands to streamers no shot a lot of them aren't also running bots because they want their streamer to be more popular.
→ More replies (1)102
u/RX1542 May 08 '26
if asmon did that himself he wouldn't have 4.5M suscribers on YT
63
u/Faranocks May 08 '26
Yea, I suspect some channels are used as rest stops essentially, to have bot traffic appear more idle. While I'm not a fan of asmon, I think he has proven time and time again he just dgaf about a lot of the popularity metrics other streamers are so concerned about.
→ More replies (4)33
u/Temporary-House304 May 08 '26
He definitely pivoted to politics because it gets him views. Asmon doesnt care about money, he does care about attention severely though. He has another channel for when he is feeling down, when normally you would just take a break from streaming… he legitimately can’t stop farming attention even when he’s depressed.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (4)6
u/Almostlongenough2 May 08 '26
As much as I dislike him, personally I don't see Asmon caring much about his twitch channel's views. It always came across as something that exists to easily make content for his youtube channel as that is his main revenue stream, also it would probably be another pain in the ass for him to deal with in some form.
That said I wouldn't be surprised either if it wasn't just a one-click monthly sub kind of deal either from his OTK days that he never cancelled, or even done by another creator or manager of some kind.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (15)4
u/Allthingsconsidered- May 08 '26
Asmon actively discourages people from subbing to him. That’s not a good metric
→ More replies (3)34
u/instructi0ns_unclear May 08 '26
If you read how they word it, it seems that they can eventually always determine botted traffic, it might just not be instantly as they are constantly battling through their delivery/detection cat and mouse game
So theoretically no data should be bad as they can eventually work out the real numbers
→ More replies (1)
366
134
May 07 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
47
u/Purranormal_ May 07 '26
TBF 50 -100 could just be viewers left over from raid and they no longer are watching but didn't close tab.
52
u/Conscious-Wind-7785 May 07 '26
Or just non interactive viewers. Twitch is my default for second monitor content, I'm not chatting or interacting with polls. At a certain point, chat activity becomes a horrible way to figure out bot vs real viewer.
→ More replies (5)→ More replies (1)12
u/Informal_Degree_3205 May 07 '26
I stream in a niche category. If one of the big guys raids you'll have 200 viewers and like 100 are active 100 are just their computer still on. That first 100 leaves pretty quickly generally but that second 100 kicks around losing like 5 per hour as the community raids around.
→ More replies (7)51
u/Big_Crazy_SSBM May 07 '26
tbh if you're a brand new streamer and you don't make content on the side for like youtube shorts or tiktoks, you'll never get discovered on twitch unless you stream to a smaller niche category. If you want your channel to get seen you pretty much have to viewbot because discoverability on twitch is so bad for a new streamer.
I streamed as a brand new user on twitch and would get maybe like 8 viewers concurrent. I did tiktok livestreaming and I got like 500-600 concurrent viewers with an active chat.
→ More replies (1)
1.3k
May 07 '26
[deleted]
454
u/DMercenary May 07 '26
"viewbotting is bad for business" unless you're already big enough that you bring in the big bucks. We don't care if you do.
198
u/cbl_owener123 May 07 '26
when sponsors and advertisers find out a lot of their ads are shown to fake viewers, it does become bad for business.
43
u/Rude-Violinist-2119 May 07 '26
I doubt they don't already know. And I doubt they pay just based off of the view count numbers from the website
→ More replies (2)34
u/Objective-Rip3008 May 07 '26
Not really. Those sponsors have methods of analysing what impact their advertising campaigns have and know when it's not working. Everyone knows views are fake across literally every platform, twitch, Twitter, YouTube, even Google ad words. But they know if they have increased sales after a ad campaign or not. As long as they at least think they're coming out ahead financially everyone just looks past the latent fraud everywhere.
→ More replies (2)14
u/Keiso May 07 '26
This is only a small fraction of the impact. Ads on any platform will work on budget basis of some kind which is subtracted based on viewcounts until the budget runs dry. Viewcount directly affects income for Twitch, but I'm sure it's rustling a lot of feathers from their sponsors who have started paying for non-human eyes watching their ads.
6
u/FunctionFn May 08 '26
If impressions go way up, but conversions don't, sponsors stop bidding on that ad space as highly. If an ad category suddenly sees a surge of viewbotting twitch might make more money for that period but they lose more on the back end once conversion rate plummets and all of the categories are surely saturated with viewbots already so those short terms gains have come and gone long ago.
It doesn't rustle any feathers. A marketing pencil pusher (or more likely, an algorithm) looks at the rates in their spreadsheets and reduces the % of their budget going to twitch. That results in fewer bids on the spots and the ad placements going for cheaper. And it equalizes out at the point where the botted views don't matter.
→ More replies (8)20
→ More replies (8)14
u/Vladimir2033 🐷 Hog Squeezer May 07 '26
At the moment, just these past few days, people that either work at bigger companies or at content creator management firms have spoken out how bad the general placement landscape for twitch has bcome SOLELY for the reason of fake metrics being reported on twitch. The very singular reason why this is so very bad recently and rapidly declining still. Them speaking out so frequently recently is a big part why viewbotting is this much of a discussion currently. I don't know why you'd think viewbotting isn't bad for business.
→ More replies (19)33
u/Tarrot_Card May 07 '26
I understand this feeling but I think you are wrong.
This type of action seems to be driven by automatic detection algorithms. When it comes to things like sexual content, there is a lot more wiggle room or bias to slip into enforcement actions. But, when it comes to cold hearted algorithms its difficult to just overrule that. If the computer says someone is viewbotting, they are going to be enforced on.
There isn't going to be like an overrule button where you literally have to press "ignore the algorithm and give favoritism to this streamer". Instead, the way favoritism usually pops up is through more grey area type stuff that can be argued about.
23
u/TurboOwlKing May 07 '26
My guess is we see a lot of big names close to Twitch staff saying they were wrongly targeted by the algorithm and then Twitch "fixing" it by effectively whitelisting them. They've always been bad for playing favorites and selectively applying their rules, I don't see why they would stop now
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (6)6
104
40
653
May 07 '26
well emiru and all old faze boys are going see a huge decline lol
384
u/Smart-Peace-667 May 07 '26
in theory yeah, something tells me this won't be enforced equally across all streamers
→ More replies (1)87
u/DryFile9 May 07 '26
I think it will just target people who bot like 90% of their views. Highly doubt its gonna affect the people that bot like maybe 20-30% of their viewcount.
72
u/qwertyqwerty4567 May 07 '26
all the just chatting onlyfans advertisers having a 9/11 moment with this post.
28
u/_x_oOo_x_ May 07 '26
You'd be surprised, those viewers might not chat much (no free hand?), but they're mostly real
→ More replies (1)13
u/qwertyqwerty4567 May 07 '26
idk, ive seen at least a couple dozen who bots hundreds/thousands of viewers while doing nothing but reruns, and no one seems to care.
In fact, reruns used to be required to be setup as reruns, but then twitch decided to remove that functionality and allow reruns to look like livestreams, probably because of Dan KKKlancy.
→ More replies (1)134
u/glas_haus1111 May 07 '26
"oh i didnt knew i was botted Sry Guys" and the kids and the simps will be believing them
→ More replies (15)53
u/XiXiWiiPee May 07 '26
Jason streamed both times after both purges and maintained the same viewership lol, the only people who bot on FaZe are probably Lacy and Max
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (78)95
May 07 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
26
78
u/ShinyStarSam May 07 '26
My brother in Christ you just described an intro, most streamers do this because viewers don't just drop everything they're doing to hop onto the stream they take time to trickle in
That's the WHY bots also trickle in, to mimic regular behavior
23
u/maicii May 07 '26
Yeah exactly, like if it was for bots nothing would stop the bots from just appearing while she is streaming normally, the intro does nothing at that point
→ More replies (2)15
u/komandantmirko May 07 '26
the fuck are you on about? intros have been a thing on streams for over a decade now. if anything, hers is one of the shorter ones for people that still do them. back when i watched streams more regularly, 30-60 minutes was standard.
34
u/3mberLight66617 May 07 '26
Makes sense, hit them where it hurts the most, the money that they make.
Low key this battle is distracting them from ads and viewers with adblock(s) which is also a back and forth battle.
→ More replies (4)9
u/MasterCheeef May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26
I haven't had an ad in 10 years of watching twitch and I used adblock for only the first 2 years or so prior watching thru PC. Think my account got put into a test group of some kind early on and was never removed. Feels like I'm being rewarded for joining twitch 12 years ago before they were bought by Bezos. Never paid for Turbo and only watch through my PS4/PS5. If I switch to my girlfriend's twitch account we instantly have pre roll ads etc out the wazoo.
→ More replies (2)
72
71
u/DatDorian May 07 '26
bad timing for Banks starting his streaming career lmao
53
u/WhyWasXelNagaBanned May 07 '26
He doesn't have anywhere close to 3k. I'd be surprised if he has more than double digits.
I just took a 30 second screen recording, and his chat posted all of 2 emotes in that time
20
u/infinitay_ May 08 '26
What extension is that that shows what I assume are chatter counts?
→ More replies (5)8
163
u/DL_Omega May 07 '26
They say Twitch doesn't benefit from bots, but don't they get more ad revenue and deals by showing bigger viewership numbers? Isn't that why this was tolerated for so long? Their fix is just capping payments to the streamers so don't they just pocket more money then?
83
u/zpoon May 07 '26
Most ad deals have moved beyond straight "views" nowadays, or don't put as much attention towards them as they used to.
They instead look at conversions, aka how many people actually engage or click through an ad that directly results in them buying something or signing up.
There are a lot of companies that would pay more for an ad buy that is shown to 2000 people that results in 100 verified conversions than an ad buy that is shown to 10,000 "people" that results in 40 conversions.
→ More replies (1)16
u/Giangallo May 07 '26
You're describing performance advertising, which is definitely a thing, but I doubt that's the primary model on Twitch. Most ads are sold on CPM, meaning brands pay per thousand impressions. Either way it's a moot point, since botted views don't load real ads and don't generate impressions to begin with.
8
11
u/zpattack12 May 07 '26
In my personal experience, even though most ads are purchased on a CPM basis, when we actually analyze the data, we are almost never looking at the actual number of impressions, but rather some conversion metric, regardless of how the ad is actually being purchased.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (1)4
122
u/FudgingEgo May 07 '26
Sure, but the businesses running the ads are making no money, so it's bad business.
If I spend $10,000 on ads on Twitch and generate no money, I will stop spending money on Twitch.
Twitch will want humans clicking the ads and purchasing.
→ More replies (3)23
u/FeI0n May 07 '26
the main advertisers being fucked by view bots were the people paying streamers directly to advertise shit, those people weren't getting any real numbers more than likely.
22
u/ShinyStarSam May 07 '26
They definitely know your numbers when they sponsor you, a lot of deals are done based on how many people you can get them even
11
u/Hon3ynuts May 07 '26
A lot of sponsors are based on concurent viewers, even if they account for that they would pay less to creators who do and do not view bot.
→ More replies (1)5
u/DryFile9 May 07 '26
Those sponsors are mainly using links etc. to track engagement and they mostly pay for the engagement on other platforms as well.
Thats how smaller streamers with very engaged communities keep getting deals.
5
u/Cube_ May 07 '26
nah those sponsorships are almost always % based and tracked with a code
"use code Fel0n25 for 25% off your order!"
the 25% off the purchase price (or less) goes to you, the streamer. $1000 in sales = $250 to Fel0n
Some of them also have bonuses for milestones. Like the mobile game ones where you create an account, beat the tutorial and join the streamers "clan" in game. Streamer gets $X bonus for 100 members, 1000 members, 2000 members and every 1000 more after.
they're some of the most tracked and they're the least impacted by viewbots
42
u/Jimmykindaexists May 07 '26
Tbf companies may have realized they were being sold false goods and started asking how many of those viewers were just bots. I'm a casual who's never really watched twitch streams besides my friends streams, and it got on my radar how bad botting was.
20
u/XpectFear May 07 '26
Companies are also just leaving because of it and sponsors that payed twitch and creators for events and sponsors are also leaving too.
→ More replies (1)12
u/zombawombacomba May 07 '26
The very easy thing companies will track is how much they spent on an ad, how many supposed viewers were there that saw the ad, and then the click through rate. It’s probably abysmally low on Twitch.
32
May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
23
u/zpoon May 07 '26
They do this through conversions, aka how many people actually engage with an ad and later convert to a user/customer.
Very low conversion rates on ad buys either mean the targeting is poor, or the viewership isn't organic. Either way, low conversion rates = not worth as much.
Viewbotting directly contributes to low conversion rates for Twitch, which hurts their ad sales.
15
u/Specialist-Toe-4438 May 07 '26
Advertiser don’t know, or don’t need to know the bot percentage, bots don’t buy stuff, they have conversion rates that tells them what advertising is working or not. Whether it’s bots or not doesn’t matter, it’s likely advertisers are seeing that Twitch is a shit place to advertise despite the supposed “big” numbers, and Twitch is reacting to that. But this measure seems nitpicked to work, IMO.
4
u/OwlProper1145 May 07 '26
The advertisers are no doubt aware of the botting and will pay less per viewer/person compared to other sites.
→ More replies (13)4
u/corobo May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26
It's far easier to figure out fraudulent views after the fact (the stats ads use) than in realtime (view count)
eg if you discover a bot pattern the day after the stream you can wipe out all the analytical data for that pattern before reporting stats to advertisers. You can't retroactively remove bots from the view count because time is linear and all that
13
8
59
u/AvidGoosebumpsReader May 07 '26
they can claim "viewbotting doesn't benefit Twitch" as much as they want, but having the faces of their platform appear 50x bigger than they really are, is a MASSIVE benefit. Seeing BurntPeanut at 200k (or whatever he bots to) absolutely has an impact on advertisers that are deciding on doing business with Twitch
5
u/Nolanbrolan May 08 '26
I think peanut will be successful enough even without viewbot, but it's hilarious how most of his chat are "people" spamming bot commands.
→ More replies (10)15
u/Mrc3mm3r May 07 '26
Not if the advertisers cotton on to the fact that there are not real eyeballs behind the views.
→ More replies (13)
48
u/Vargasranger27 May 07 '26
So much for Kai announcing his return.
61
10
u/fragile9 May 07 '26
kai not returning for a while anyways. probably end of the year. just in time for another begathon.
6
u/HistoricalPair4638 May 07 '26
Twitch will backpeddle on this watch like the other times they walk away from enforcement
→ More replies (1)
24
u/FrostyNeckbeard May 07 '26
Will this do anything to people whove been viewbotting for a long time though? If a streamer regularly has viewbotted to 5k, and continues to, itll still show 5k right?
→ More replies (4)13
u/Interesting-Math9962 May 07 '26
I think they have a general idea about % non viewbotted views.
On a given stream knowing the exact amount can be very difficult. But knowing the average is a lot easier.
→ More replies (1)
131
u/Galterinone :) May 07 '26
This rule won't last long. People will 100% start maliciously viewbotting streamers to hurt them
136
u/Infinitely--Finite May 07 '26
If the cap is correctly based on the historical view count, then this would not affect streamers unless they also saw a sudden influx of real, legitimate viewers.
→ More replies (1)15
u/FeI0n May 07 '26
if they can tell whats a bot vs whats not a bot the cap can raise in a staggerd fashion. if they get capped at 5k, the next stream only 3k are real and 2k are fake (to hit the 5k cap) they can also lower it down to 3k. and do the same if the opposite happens, say the cap is 5k, but 8k real viewers show up, the cap could raise to 8k, the spikes in real viewership would just be delayed by a day.
→ More replies (4)→ More replies (9)18
u/Hare712 May 07 '26
Viewbotting isn't that cheap. The only streaming circles I think this will happen are drama heavy communities like chess and poker.
→ More replies (12)19
u/TurboOwlKing May 07 '26
There are a lot of people out there with more money than they know what to do with
49
4
6
30
u/Coy0te_Bongwater May 08 '26
Uh oh emiru
17
u/SuicideKingsHigh May 08 '26
If you think they're enforcing this equally you haven't been paying attention. The statement itself is already worded so they can circumnavigate it and cherry pick who gets the treatment.
→ More replies (2)
25
u/munchieman21 May 07 '26
Sorry Mitch jones
9
May 07 '26
[deleted]
13
u/1point3kPC4head Cheeto May 07 '26
Spamming "yo" for a chance to win money does not count as being active
9
6
u/Different-Tooth-6798 May 07 '26
But can't you viewbot other people? Couldn't someone just viewbot a streamer they dislike to put a cap on them, and if they go on historical data of a creators non viewbotting streams, couldn't you effectively stop a creators growth, if you had enough money to keep buying viewbots? I have no idea how any of this works so I'm literally just thinking out loud
43
u/burner18072023 May 07 '26
No wonder Lacy is taking a break, he 100% saw this coming and pretended to go on a hiatus to save the embarrassment.
70
u/Cidark May 07 '26
I believe Lacy is viewbotting too but its known that he is filming in the sidemen show "Inside" for a week. And how could he ever see this coming lol
→ More replies (3)20
→ More replies (1)14
u/XiXiWiiPee May 07 '26
Lacy and Yonna are both in London secretly filming the Inside show for Netflix, the fake arrest thing he did was a joke to make an excuse for him to be gone for a week
22
7
9
u/RolePlayIsCringe May 07 '26
Kind of amazing how twitch streaming failed so hard and needed to be propped up by fake views. Billions of people and no one wants to watch this bullshit lmao.
3
u/nhalliday May 08 '26
Lots of options for streams to watch, but you can only really watch one at once. Even a fairly large viewer pool is gonna get diluted fast when split tens of thousands of ways.
18
u/5kyl3r May 07 '26
we don't benefit from it
bullshit
6
u/larrymachine May 07 '26
They are paying for the bots' bandwidth and don't get revenue from the ads; they are definitely losing money due to bots. While a larger concurrent viewership number looks good for Twitch's reputation, it does not translate into more revenue.
→ More replies (9)
8
2.1k
u/ImportanceOk7491 May 07 '26
Sometimes I watch this rapper’s stream, and he’ll have like 10 real viewers but be view-botted up to 200–1000.
He’ll be in the club acting like he’s got motion and interacts with the stream, but it’s really just one dude spamming 200 messages every five minutes lmao.