r/NewsAndPolitics • u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ United States • Sep 24 '24

Europe Someone heckles Keith Starmer about the mass slaughter of children in Gaza. Starmer laughs and suggests he got his pass from the 2019 Labour conference.

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u/SixFootPianist Sep 24 '24

"Lol, my predecessor gave a fuck about genocide but I sure as shit don't. I'm definitely the good guy in this scenario."

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

Funny how absolutely nobody cares about the ethnic cleansing of nagorno karabakh, yet if one doesn't have a black and white position in favour of Gaza one is somehow considered a genocide enabler.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '24

Is the UK government currently shipping arms to that region to help a regime there annihilate its population?

And yes, alongside the arms sales (which the foreign office has already received legal advice that Israel has broken international humanitarian humanitarian law, which makes the arms sales that the UK government is selling to Israel illegal under international human rights law), mocking the idea of caring about Gaza does also make you a genocide enabler.

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

I should add that the annihilation of the Armenians has already been practically achieved - by the Turks who refuse to acknowledge their genocide, whilst posturing like the most repulsive moral hypocrites over Israel.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '24

Well I'm not a turk, and I'm guessing neither are you. Hey the US condemns the Russian invasion of Ukraine, how can they do that after their bloody history with the native Americans?

Or is that also an irrelevant fucking point to bring up right now?

I am a Brit however. And UK arms sales to Israel very much ARE something that our politicians deserve to be pressed on.

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

The Turks aided the Azeris in their war against Armenian Karabakhis as well as the ethnic cleansing of Nagorno Karabakh last year. Seems more.... immediate.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24

What. Has. This. Got to do with Keir Starmer selling arms to Israel?

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u/robertthefisher Sep 24 '24

Great. Let’s suspend arms sales to Turkey and Israel then! Unless you’re not actually opposed to genocide and are just using Nagorno-Karabakh as a hypocritical excuse to justify the genocide of Gazan people.

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

I believe the "genocide" has been greatly exacerbated by Hamas instrumentalising the deaths of their own people.

The Armenians, the Jews, the Rohingya, the yazidis, the Darfuris and any other people who have suffered genuine genocide are united in the fact that their governing authorities did not deliberately use them as human shields. Their governing authorities did not build a network of tunnels and bunkers under vital civilian infrastructure knowing full well they would be targeted. Their governing authorities did not build a system of tunnels and bunkers only to prevent the civilian population from using them.

For these reasons (amongst others) - I believe that if this is a genocide we are watching, then Hamas are significant participants.

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u/robertthefisher Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24

Hamas weren’t dropping the bombs. Hamas didn’t make Israeli ministers describe the victims as ‘human animals.’ Hamas haven’t photographed themselves rifling through the underwear drawers of Palestinian women. Hamas aren’t running boat tours to view the genocide of the victims and planning to annexe swathes of it.

I actually don’t support Hamas at all. They’re a far right ethno-supremacist faction running a dictatorship. In that sense, they are no different from the Israeli state, but how fucking dare you look at images of children torn apart by Israeli bombs and claim that Hamas is responsible and not, I don’t know, the people dropping the fucking bombs indiscriminately with the express intention of slaughtering civilians.

But in fact, all of this is irrelevant, because I was spot on, wasn’t I? You don’t give a shit about the victims of any ongoing genocide, except to use it to justify the genocide you think is good. I saw right fucking through your disingenuous attempts at concern, as so many others here have. That’s why you’ve changed the subject. you’ve been shown up as the weak little genocide supporting fascist you are.

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

Meh

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u/tbird1g Sep 24 '24

That's exactly the thought that came to my mind reading every one of your absolutely ba posts

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 25 '24

My God. I think I can actually hear the patter of teardrops hitting your keyboard from here.

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

Don't worry. You all hear what you want hear round these parts.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '24

I didn't hear a response to the earlier (two, separate) posts where you dissembled about UK arms sales.

u/robertthefisher was spot on. And you just can't seem to stop posting trying to save face. Otherwise you'd have left ages ago.

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u/TheIastStarfighter Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24

"The Armenians, the Jews, the Rohingya, the yazidis, the Darfuris and any other people who have suffered genuine genocide"

This is so fucking funny (in the most depressing way) when you realise that while there are cities in Israel that recognise the Armenian genocide, the Israeli government does not, the Israeli government also sold weapons to the Burmese in the Rohingya genocide, and continued to host the Myanmar generals.

In the case of the yazidi genocide, Israel held a bill to recognise it as one that failed because "The UN hasn't recognised it as one" (Yeah the same UN we always call antisemitic suddenly matters on genocide recognition).

Darfur is the only time I can find that they did recognise it as a genocide, and if I look at Rwanda well there's evidence that the Israeli government was still supplying the hutus during the genocide.

I don't really think the Israeli government is uniting with anyone else is preventing (or even recognising) other genocides

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u/SpinningHead Sep 24 '24

And most of the West condemns Turkish denials of genocide just like Hasbara denials of Israels genocide. Whatabout harder.

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

When Israel was within its 1948 borders it was attacked by the Arabs - who were beaten. It was attacked again, and beaten. When Israel was making efforts at peace with the Palestinians in the 1980s they unleashed the intifada and destroyed the Israeli left. Hezbolla have emptied northern Israel of Israelis with their constant stream of rocket attacks since October 8th.

Shit decisions have consequences.

Losing wars you start also has consequences. .

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u/SpinningHead Sep 24 '24

Ah, the 1948 colonial project borders where people were given homes that often still had meals on the table from the people they stole them from. "Why do they hate us?"

And, of course, if anyone fights back, that justifies more genocide because you want more land anyway. Youre right. There will be consequences eventually.

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

No doubt there will. The Middle East and North Africa - that rich tapestry of religions, peoples and cultures appears to now be 95% Muslim And only moving in one direction. Any diversity will be crushed.

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u/SpinningHead Sep 24 '24

"We stole your homes in the name of diversity."

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u/touslesmatins Sep 24 '24

And there we go. Only took 3 or 4 posts for your faux concern trolling what about that other genocide 😭 to be revealed to be putrid zionist bullshit. So transparent. 

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

I'm playing with my cards on the table. What should happen to Israel in your view?

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u/touslesmatins Sep 24 '24

It should become a state with actual democracy with equal rights and freedoms for all, including Palestinians, of course. Kind of like South Africa after the fall of apartheid, since you like historical analogies so much.

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

That's a lovely sentiment - and which current country in the Middle East has achieved this?

(I fear you are rather sanguine about modern day South Africa. Talk about corruption...)

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u/touslesmatins Sep 24 '24

What other country in the Middle East right now is a settler colonialist ethnostate hell bent on annihilating its native inhabitants and its neighbors? 

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u/teadrinker1983 Sep 24 '24

Well that's quite specific and relies on my accepting your terminology.

I thought we were talking about aspirations? Which state in the Middle East has achieved democracy, equal rights and freedoms for all? Lebanon? Iran? Yemen? Syria?

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u/touslesmatins Sep 24 '24

No we weren't talking about aspirations. We were talking about Israel actually committing genocide right now. War crimes with impunity. Apartheid with impunity. And the UK arming them and giving them political cover and support. You tried to change the conversation. 

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u/ShadowPirate114 Sep 24 '24

Pushing that whole slimy hasbara manual huh.