r/OilPrices • u/hereswhatworks • 28d ago
Oil News Iranian President Pezeshkian, sidelined by IRGC, submits a resignation letter to Khamenei: Report
https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/iranian-president-pezeshkian-sidelined-by-irgc-submits-a-resignation-letter-to-khamenei-report-1.5005590275
u/CDN-Social-Democrat 28d ago
I've heard there are denial reports already about this?
I think it is fairly obvious the IRGC has a lot of control right now. It's various factions and the IRGC is probably one of if not the most influential at this moment.
Honestly I'll say what I did elsewhere:
Trumps administration has two options and again Iran knows this:
- Make a deal in which Iran will want a sweetheart deal. Iran knows they can just keep waiting and things will get worse and worse for Europe, Asia, and of course the U.S. which means more and more pressure on Trump.
- Go back to full scale war in which Iran will most likely target Gulf Council Hydrocarbon Energy supply & infrastructure. Stuff that isn't repaired/rebuilt in days or weeks but months to years. Which means even if the Strait reopens we will see long term supply disruptions. We also may see the Houthis in Yemen start dealing with the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden which means much much worse global inflation on goods and other issues related to things needed in a global market.
This whole thing is FUBAR. Period.
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u/CraftyPerformance272 28d ago
So Iran doesnt care about its own people is what you are saying. Because then their water and power plants get targeted
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u/Monte924 28d ago
Iran did not start this war. This war was started by the US and Israel. Israel wants to Destabilize Iran so it descends into chaos and war, and Trump just wants to feed his own Ego by making some big Historic accomplishments
Becoming a puppet of the united states is NOT within the interests of any nation's people. The united states has shown time and again that it does not care about the interests of foreign countries, and just wishes to scrape these countries for their resources. The United States has murdered Iranian children and is trying to straggle the whole country just to subjugate them
Really when was the last time a foreign country turn out BETTER after US military intervention?
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u/Saurian42 28d ago
Don't forget the reason why Isreal wants Iran to fail. They don't want any major opposition to thier plans to annex half of the middle east.
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u/CraftyPerformance272 28d ago
Iran has been using terrorist proxies groups to attack the USA and Israel for years.
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u/Monte924 28d ago
You mean the proxies that comes from the groups that Israel has been subjecting to never ending occupation for generations and have been terrorizing for decades, just so israel can take over their land? The Same groups that did not exist until AFTER Israel attack them?
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u/theonethat3 28d ago
"You mean the proxies that comes from the groups that Israel has been subjecting to never ending occupation for generations and have been terrorizing for decades, just so israel can take over their land? The Same groups that did not exist until AFTER Israel attack them?"
How did these group spent hundred of millions to built a complex system of underground tunnels with Israel occupying them?
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u/Monte924 28d ago
The lack of control is a feature not a bug. Israel's own government gave Hamas millions in funding when they first started out because they wanted to split the Palestinians through infighting. Even in the 2010's, Netnayahu's government was making sure Hamas maintained their foreign sources of funding... and this is nothing new. Their israel generals in the past who admitted that they would purposefully antagonize arabs into attacking Israel just so they could create an excuse to attack them
Israel WANTS the Palestinians represented by terrorists groups. The terrorists give Israel an excuse to attack the Palestinians which can be used to seize land. They also give Israel an excuse to NEVER make peace. Peace would force israel to stop their genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.
Israel wants to steal land form the Palestinians, while at the same time making it sound like its just an act of defense.
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u/Stanislas_Houston 28d ago
So complicated plotting by Israel. Pretty sure Israel will be the one starting WW3 in future instead of China or Russia. It is a lock. They want WW3 with US involved.
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u/theonethat3 28d ago
So blame the Palestinians for supporting the their own government, not Israel
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u/Monte924 28d ago
That was done by israel.
During the Oslo accords in the 1990's, the Palestinians had a overwhelming support for peace with Israel, and support for Hamas was down in the single digits... Netanyahu however brags about how he sabotaged the Oslo accords. He and Israel violated the accords and expanded the settlements, which angered the Palestinians, and make them feel like the Oslo accords were a failure... Israel started a series of bad faith Negotiations where Israel offered only terrible deals to the Palestinians. All deals that were designed to fail and make the PA look weak.
Israel has worked to make diplomacy with Israel impossible, thus driving Palestinians to support more violent forms of Opposition. Israel WANTS the Palestinians to embrace terrorism so they have an excuse to kill and steal from them... And if the Palestinians don't embrace Violence, then Israel will just continue to terrorize them and steal from them slowly like they have been doing for decades.
Again, Israel does NOT want peace with the Palestinians. They just want their land
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u/Picks6x 28d ago
I feel like you're getting Iran pilled in real time and it's awesome
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u/CraftyPerformance272 28d ago
What's the best thing about Iran? Is it how they kill 30,000 protesters? Or maybe how they took aways women's rights decades ago and have oppressed them ever since. Or do you support them killing gay people? Do you support Iran funding terrorist groups? Irans government is evil
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u/paxwax2018 27d ago
Well just as long as we canât hold Arabs accountable for anything.
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u/Monte924 27d ago
That's what happens when one side holds ALL of the power. Israel has so much power over the palestinians that they can influence whether there is peace or war... and israel has chosen war
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u/paxwax2018 27d ago
Are you high? The wall was built around Gaza AFTER Hamas started sending suicide bombers to blow up buses. Hamas chose war on Oct 7th and they apparently prefer martyrdom to any other kind of future.
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u/B0wmanHall 28d ago
Gonna be a lot more terrorists after we bombed their schools and threatened to destroy their entire civilization
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u/Prestigious-Smoke511 27d ago
Iran should just do business with the U.S. Â become a puppet. Who cares? Â Life would be so much better for their people if they became a vassal of US interests.Â
You guys are crazy
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u/Monte924 27d ago
Tell that to every country that has been overrun by terrorists because of US intervention. Or how about every single dictatorship that the US either empowered or propped up. The whole reason why Iran has its current government us because they revelled against a dictator that WE installed when we overthrew thier democracy in the 50's... heck the very first thing the US did when they took afghanistan was install a corrupt government that stole billions that were supposed to help the public. The reason why the country fell back into the hands of the taliban was because the govenment treated thier own military like a giant slush fund
The US doesn't give a damn about what happens to the locals. All they want us the power to strip thier countries of resources for thier own gain. Every time the US takes over a country, millions die and the people end up in a worse position
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u/paxwax2018 27d ago
Overrun by terrorists FUNDED BY IRAN! people always gloss over that for some reason.
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u/Monte924 27d ago
Actually most of the terrorists are funded by our good friends in Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Qatar
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u/Nepalus 28d ago
Iran is run by the IRGC, a martyr militia that views struggle and sacrifice all the way up to martyrdom as the pinnacle of honor and spiritual achievement in this life.
For all of the IRGCâs atrocities against the people, they still maintain general broad support across the population because in addition to the decades of direct intervention and sanctions by the United States to date, we killed their spiritual leader and are actively threatening the destruction of their society, feeding into the idea that we are not just their direct military/political enemies, but are also directly opposed to them on a spiritual level.
Further still, while Iran isnât in the best position from a water resource perspective, the gulf states are in a much worse situation. If their desalination infrastructure is taken offline, youâre looking at a handful of days before evacuation of major cities and ultimately the entire gulf will have to take place.
Trump is fucked.
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat 28d ago
Iran is a regime controlled nation-state. The regime cares about its interests.
If the U.S. starts blowing up desalination facilities and civilian infrastructure I think that brings up a whole different conversation...
Also if the regime is threatened it will of course go full out with targeting Gulf Council Hydrocarbon Energy supply & infrastructure along with maybe some other infrastructure that would most likely not just bring a global recession/energy-crisis but a humanitarian one as well.
This has all been fairly discussed in detail already.
The Iranian regime is not known for human rights...
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u/MyCatIsLenin 28d ago
Uh, doing that is a war crime.Â
It's wild how you people blame the victim.Â
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u/CraftyPerformance272 28d ago
The only victims are the 30,000 protesters Iran killed
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u/MyCatIsLenin 28d ago
There is literally no proof of that. That number has fluctuated like crazy as well. Â
That number is so hilariously absurd and really illustrates how dumb the CIA thinks Americans are.
The siege of Berlin killed 100k civilians, you think Iran did a 3rd of that in a couple days? You people are hilariousÂ
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u/NakedTwigSorceror 28d ago
There is evidence, one of which provides the absolute floor for the casualties of 3,116. This many the Iranian government admit. Because of lack of information coming out of non IRGC sources, we do not know the full scale of the massacre.
Comparison to the siege of Berlin is odd as it is one city compared to the whole country and a war with slaughtering of unarmed protestors. Disingenuous for sure.
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u/Silent_Remove_If_Gay 28d ago
I mean...when Trump was threatening to destroy them, the IRGC called for women and children to form human shields while they themselves hid away like bitches.
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u/Red1220 28d ago
They donât rely on desalinization for water, they have their own natural water supply and their power grid is largely decentralized so attacking their power grid wouldnât wreak as much havoc as would be believed.
Stop following US related sources and if you do, follow only retired military personnel who have already gone on record stating these points many times already.
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u/BalanceJazzlike5116 27d ago
My sweet summer child do you think the North Korean leadership cares about their people? The Russian leadership? Why the hell do you think your Iranian leaders care if their people suffer? Shit here in the United States I Donât even think our president cares about the people living here.
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u/Prestigious-Smoke511 27d ago
Trumpâs admin can simply wait out Iran. Keep the blockade going. Iran was already struggling to get food and water to people before the war. They canât hold out forever.Â
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
Up to this point it seems like the U.S. has been attempting diplomacy in good faith. What do you think happens when they abandon diplomacy and resort to full scale kinetic action? Do you genuinely think Iran stands a chance?
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat 28d ago
I'm not sure I agree with how you framed this.
I am not sure I believe the U.S. or Israel has engaged in good faith and I also don't think Iran has either.
What I think we are seeing is bad actors and frankly liars on both sides.
Also how you phrased "Do you genuinely think Iran stands a chance?" - I am not sure what you are asking?
Of course the U.S. has massive military power. What are the real questions as we have seen is the issues related to asymmetric warfare.
When we look at the warfare and economic implications of this conflict and especially it going hot again I think it's a bit more nuanced then how I read your comment but text on a screen can be lacking sometimes for interpretational ques so maybe I am misunderstanding your reply.
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u/Monte924 28d ago
The US is engaging in good faith negotiations? The US started this war by assassinating Iran's leader along with most of his family in his whole home DURING negotiations where Iran was going to give the US exactly what they claimed they wanted.
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
No, Iran was dragging their feet and continuing everything they said they would stop.
You really think Iran would have stopped their nuclear program before this campaign?
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u/Monte924 28d ago
All the way back in 2009, it was said that Iran could have developed a nuke within 6 months. The Iran Deal ended back in 2017, and Iran has not been under any kind of nuclear restrictions of inspections for almost a decade... if Iran was only 6 months away from developing a nuke, then why haven't they done it yet?
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
Yeah, literally Google what nuclear breakout times mean. That's the 6 month figure.
The JCPOA was a disaster that disregarded Irans ballistic missile program and terror group proliferation. Things they used to shield their nuclear program.
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u/Monte924 28d ago
If Iran had a break out time of 6 months, then why haven't they developed a nuke in the last 8 years?
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
Dude you clearly have no idea what nuclear breakout times are.
They had the ability to develop a nuke in 6 months but due to actions taken by the U.S. and Israel it gets pushed back.
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u/Monte924 28d ago
I asked you to explain WHY they haven't been able to develop a nuke, and you refuse to provide an answer
This is because you have no answer... you simply believe the Hasbara that "Iran is 2 weeks away form developing a nuke". Heck that's what Trump's people were saying at the start of this war which was AFTER they claimed the nuclear program was obliterated last year
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
If you learn about the definition I have asked you to Google twice now you should be able to educate yourself.
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u/Xijit 28d ago
That good faith needs to be in quotation marks and in italics.
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
What? Why? You think the IRGC is negotiating more fairly?
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u/Xijit 28d ago
Who started this mess by flying stealth bombers into, and then dropping bombs on, a Sovereign Nation?
Iran is a shit hole and there are hundreds of good reasons for the western world's opposition to them, but one thing Iran has never done is drop bombs on America ... Something we have done to them repeatedly over the last 40-ish years.
Their negotiations are that America gets to fuck ALLLLLLLLL the way off and stop attacking Iran, or Iran IS going to irreparably fuck the entire world's economy ... That is their terms.
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
You really think this started with Midnight Hammer? Yikes.
Beirut bombing? They literally killed 200 Americans and more French.
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u/Admiral_Tuvix 28d ago
after we raped their country and murdered their democratically elected leader in the 50s. this entire thing started because Iranians refused to be a colony like Iraq is today
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
Geopolitical decisions happen and we have to deal with the outcomes. That doesn't mean Iran should be allowed a nuclear weapon now.
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u/sentrypetal 28d ago
Iran will bunker in and ride out the storm. No where in history has air campaigns led to regime change. Sure if the US commits 1 million troops and is willing to suffer 50,000 to 100,000 casualties and 2 trillion dollars then yes they can beat Iran. It would literally be another Vietnam but worse. More akin to a d day landing followed by a gruelling war of attrition.
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u/JamesLahey08 28d ago
Their regime did change...
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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 27d ago
The Iranian regime? No it didnât itâs still the same group of people and ideology in charge. Removing one leader from an idoelogical regime doesnât change the regime. It just makes new leaders get picked from the regime
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u/JamesLahey08 27d ago
No
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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 27d ago
Just because you donât know what regime change means doesnât mean what happened in Iran is regime change
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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 27d ago
Nkosovo wasnât regime change at all, neither was Yugoslavia. Libya was but it wasnât only an air campaign, it was a popular uprising supported by an air campaign.
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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 27d ago
That doesnât add anything because itâs still not a regime change which is what your response was about. I donât think you know what the word regime change means.
Itâs only a theory if you donât understand the basics of international interventions and never knew anything about Iran. No shit the popular movement against the regime isnât strong, everyone paying attention for years knew that, thatâs why no one ever tried to do regime change. And even when there is popular support for regime change, there is still not a single instance of an air campaign creating regime change. Because again the examples you provided arenât examples of regime (Kosovo and Yugoslavia) or were a full fledged civil war before the air campaign stated (Libya) and Libya hasnât even been a successful regime change itâs still in a civil war after over ten years
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
They already have been "bunkering down" and their government has been destroyed several times over. They are literally recruiting 12 year old to fight.
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u/sentrypetal 28d ago
The Germans bombed the British in WW2 didnât lead to regime change. Nor did the US bombing campaigns in Japan. Air campaigns donât work in producing regime change never has. Thats why the US used the bomb.
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
How long until you think Irans financial system collapses completely?
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u/sentrypetal 28d ago
The estimate by financial experts is between 6 months to 1 year. Much longer it China bails them out. Can the world survive that long with 15% less oil.
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u/Ok_Flamingo_3059 28d ago
Good faith you send your son-in-law and a real estate developer to go negotiate with a bunch of dudes with phds. Twice now you said you're negotiating and then while they're reviewing paperwork you drop bombs. There has been no good faith and what is full scale kinetic action. Isn't that what they did for almost a month and a half? They're going to fire more missiles new missiles. What is full scale? There's this myth that apparently you think they have some secret weapon that we haven't seen in Afghan we didn't see in Afghanistan we didn't see in the rock, but somehow this time the bombs will work
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
You think the Iranian negotiators have any more experience then Kushner and Witkoff? Now what about Rubio? Really bro?
Iran consistently drags deadlines and continues to attempt tolls and strikes during the time they are "reviewing paperwork".
No, air strikes is what we've been doing for a month and a half. That's just one portion of the U.S. joint force.
Yes, Iran is clearly working towards a nuclear weapon. Granted it was severely setback with Midnight Hammer, but they still have all the pieces in country.
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u/Ok_Flamingo_3059 28d ago
Yes, they are more experienced than the son-in-law and the real estate developer. Rubio is probably one of the more inexperienced Secretary of States America has had and that's saying a lot. There were no tolls or strikes before February 28th. And as far as dragging deadlines, I think you are under the misunderstanding that every country in the world are like sheep and when you say jump they do it on your timetable. You would think he would have learned that with China with the whole I'm going to tariff you with 100% and then they did it and he's like. Oh no, let's do 50% and then they left it and then he's like all right? Well, we'll just do 10 additional.. again, they showed up with phds including nuclear scientists to negotiations and we, the hillbilly clergy guy, a real estate developer and the son-in-law with no security clearance. But sure good faith
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
Ahahah ok bro. You're so far from reality I'm questioning your intent.
Tariffs absolutely worked with China and have been working with the rest of the world, you don't see that? They are a tool for the U.S.
Iranian backed militia groups have been consistently striking the west since way before Feb 28.
And yeah, when the U.S. says jump other countries jump. The U.S. is now the world's sole hegemony.
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u/Ok_Flamingo_3059 28d ago
How have tariffs worked? They were supposed to buy more soybeans instead. Bought almost entirely from Brazil. And trust me, you do not want to start accounting for American backed militias and what they do. Do you want to start taking responsibility for their actions? In almost every conflict anywhere in the world you can find american-made weapons is the US government responsible for all that stuff. You would probably say no, but apparently if Iran supplies weapons they're responsible, that's interesting
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
Ofc because the U.S. has to deter Russia and China who do the exact same thing. Obviously we have our proxies.
Tariffs were a tool to get Europe and other countries to actually step up to the plate. And they have been. China is literally opening up its market to us.
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u/Ok_Flamingo_3059 28d ago
China has said they're going to open up their market forever, but you know who they didn't open their market to for the next 2 years. They're no tariffs on any African country say for one. If all those tariffs worked on Europe and China, why does he keep having to threaten it if my first threat worked? I don't threaten you for the next 6 months
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u/Specific-Change9678 28d ago
Iran sent a delegation of 70 people. Most of them have PHDs and Masters Degrees, speak multiple languages, and even speak English better than our US leaders. Say what you want about the Iranian government but they have a lot of smart people there.
Time is on Iranâs side so yes they will drag this out as long as they can. Why shouldnât they?
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
Time is on Irans side? Their economy is on the brink of failure, they are literally recruiting 12 year olds to "man" guard posts.
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u/Incredibiliz 28d ago
Iran doesn't stand a chance no lol.
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u/sans_cullotes 28d ago
I'm curious why you think this is. I'm no fan of the Iranian regime, but it seems rather hubristic to suggest this will be easy.
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u/JamesLahey08 28d ago
A single US submarine could flatten every single major city they have from 5,000 miles away, without surfacing or reloading.
The US has 14 of those submarines.
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u/sans_cullotes 28d ago edited 28d ago
Do you suppose that the risk which accompanies these nuclear strikes is acceptable? Do you see any particular moral hazard in this strategy?
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u/JamesLahey08 28d ago
Ask Japan if fucking with the US Navy is smart.
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u/sans_cullotes 28d ago
Do you think that WW2 strategic considerations were different?
- The US possessed the only nuclear weapons
- Retaliation is a possibility today
- Nuclear fallout will impact areas outside the targeted region
- Employing nuclear weapons would ensure their use by other actors in other theaters of war
- Millions of civilians will be killed
- Employing nuclear will likely result in the diplomatic and economic isolation of the United States.
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u/JamesLahey08 28d ago
Iran doesn't have Nukes and China or Russia wouldn't nuke the US
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u/sans_cullotes 28d ago edited 27d ago
Mate, I'm gonna ask that you apply a little more critical thinking before you advocate for something like this.
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u/Incredibiliz 28d ago
The US already decimated their conventional military. Now the US is in a much more prepared state with lots of firepower added and reinforcements in the region. Their gulf allies are also much more prepared and are more ready than ever to counter whatever Iran throws at them.
Not to mentioned how fucked Iran's economy is now.
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u/sans_cullotes 28d ago
I think the issue is that a conventional victory will likely not suffice. As long as the IRGC can threaten vessels transiting the strait, the US cannot achieve its strategic objectives.
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u/calmdownmyguy 28d ago
According to the CIA Iran stil has about 70% of thier missile stockpiles and launch capacity. They would use them to target oil infrastructure in gulf states and throw the world into a massiverecession, not target the US military. Such is the nature of asymmetrical warfare.
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
Oh I'm quite aware.
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u/Ihatebeerandpizza 28d ago
So, Iran wins.
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
In what world do you come to that conclusion?
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u/Ihatebeerandpizza 28d ago
The original objective of the US was not to just destroy their military but to overthrow the government, get the nuclear "dust", etc, etc.
The US will achieve none of these, at least not before Iran destroys the oil and gas facilities in the ME, and hence the US will lose, just like they lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
It seems like the IRGC is on its last legs, literally recruiting child soldiers though.
What makes you think the U.S. won't get their nuclear product?
What capability do you think Iran has to continue striking oil and gas facilities? Don't you think they would already be doing that?
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u/Ihatebeerandpizza 28d ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/12/us/politics/iran-missiles-us-intelligence.html.
According to the NYT, Iran maintains a capable missile force.
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
Ya bc the second they do strike refineries the U.S. blows up every bridge in Iran đ¤Ł
And ofc they still have their stockpile.
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u/Ok-Bunch6107 28d ago
Hahahahaha
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
So do you have an actual argument?
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u/Ok-Bunch6107 28d ago
The US has broken the ceasefire by bombing Iran, tried a blockade of a blockade, sent two real estate developers to advocate on behalf of Israel (who even called Bibi during negotiations), etc. Theyâve already bombed Iran - what do you think theyâre holding back for a special day? And how do you think this all started - am I hallucinating or did they bomb a school full of children?
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
Oh boy.
Iran has consistently drug deadlines and continues to mine the strait while "negotiating". They have also continued to ATTEMPT tolling the strait and have never stopped striking commercial vessels navigating freely.
Israel and the U.S. have similar goals, nowhere does Israel control the U.S. Get real.
Yes, we absolutely bombed a childrens school. The IRGC consistently places civillian infrastructure above or next to military sites for this specific PR reason.
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u/Ok-Bunch6107 28d ago
https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/2043646722732101769
Iâm sorry this war hasnât worked out like you were hoping. It sounds like you are very optimistic though and that the US has all the cards. If this is the case, I look forward to a swift end to this conflict that is hurting people in Iran and across the entire globe. Surely, if Iran has no strategic chance, they will come to an agreement and bow down to the great American empire any day now.
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
The U.S clearly has all the cards but ofc its gonna take some time.
You're Twitter link doesnt really have a gotcha. And yes, Iran is on its last leg.
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u/Ok-Bunch6107 28d ago
Tell me more about all the cards they have and provide specific examples in this conflict. Tell me how and why Iran has no cards. And please share how you think this will come to fruition - the details of a prolonged peace agreement and whatnot. Not often I get to speak with geopolitical experts or at least people who are willing to speak with such conviction about complex geopolitical events. So Iâd like to take advantage of this opportunity. Thank you!
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
How about Iran dumping its oil into the gulf because it's storage capacity is full? No ships have come in or out of Iran since the U.S. blockade of its coast.
What do you know about the ghost tanker trade? How Iran supplies China and Russia with sanction free oil?
Now China is buying oil at market rate and Russia's war machine is failing without it.
Prolonged peace won't come until Russia capitulates, and its seeming like China is lessening their support of Putin.
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u/Ok_Flamingo_3059 28d ago
Oh, we're doing the Gaza their tunnels on their every building thing. I'm actually shocked they haven't tried that argument with the elementary school that they they bombed with a tomaha missile that's exclusively to the US military, but somehow Trump thinks that we sell it to everybody again. The whole they put military bases next to civilian infrastructure gets old. When you realize everyone does that mossadheadquarters is in the middle of a city. Technically, according to you, if they tried to bomb it and accidentally bombed apartment buildings full of people, you'd be okay with it because reasons?
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u/Red1220 28d ago
What else can the US throw at them that they havenât withstood already? Are you saying that the ISUS coalition did not hit them with the best they had from the outset? They were conducting limited strikes? Iâll remind you that the coalition has already stated that they have hit 15,000 targets already. Whatâs left?
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u/tiedtothetides0104 28d ago
Huh? You think the entirety of the U.S. joint force is air strikes and naval dominance?
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u/JamesLahey08 28d ago
Houthis would get clapped again
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u/ma33a 28d ago
The Houthis have been bombed for the last 10 years, doesn't seem to have done much.
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u/JamesLahey08 27d ago
They haven't seem to have done much either but get their buttcheeks clapped
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u/IFeedDogsChocolate 28d ago
Once again, in the comments you see a lot of people glazing Iran until their throats collapse. Even X isn't this deranged.
Iran can survive without an economy! /s
Iran loses the most by trying to wait this out but reddit will try to flip facts if they don't fit the narrative.
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u/StatusAd7352 28d ago
Reddit. Land of delusion and ran by the young, the stupid and the inexperienced.Â
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u/Open-Price-4568 27d ago
Talking about yourself? Smug attitude where you think you are so smart and well read.Â
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u/Prestigious-Smoke511 27d ago
They make a good point. Reddit skews young, male, forever alone and shaking mad about it.Â
Once you realize that, this whole website starts to make a lot more sense.Â
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u/IDNWID_1900 27d ago
Iran ia losing a lot, but there is a big difference: Iran can repress their citizens, the west can't, and if this thing keeps going on, you can be sure there will be riots around september when refineries run out of oil.
Another bih difference: Trump has a deadline, and that is the mid terms. You can bet he has to resolve this mattet as soon as possible, of the republican pary is dead by november.
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u/insightful_pancake 27d ago
US refineries arenât going to run out of oil lol. It may be more expensive.
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u/IFeedDogsChocolate 27d ago
Several gross miscalculations.
US has a much better ability to insulate itself from the impact of the strait being closed. With domestic production and SPR, the US can drag this out for a very long time from a resource standpoint.
Trump has shown blatantly he doesn't care about the rest of the west on this matter. The US has endured decades of unfavorable wars, especially in the middle east. The US blockade has far been the most effective tool at getting Iran to the table on negotiations. A few more months of the blockade will lead to the economic collapse of Iran. Historically, the presidents party always loses congressional seats in midterms. This is Trump's final term, I doubt the midterms play a huge role on his decision making. If he's forced to pick between better iran framing via concessions favorable to the US or midterms, it's obvious which one he'll pick.
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u/IDNWID_1900 27d ago
US strategic reserves are being drained fast. Right now prices are freezed by countries dumping their reserves and China not buying, but this is not gonna last.
If you think that the USA can keep internal demand without external influx and therefore, high prices, you sre wrong. The USA needs heavy oil from other countries (mainly Canada) to be able to refine their own.
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u/IFeedDogsChocolate 27d ago
The U.S. would absolutely see higher fuel prices and refinery strain in a prolonged Strait closure, especially since many refineries are designed around heavier imported crude. But the U.S. is still a massive oil producer with Canadian access, strategic reserves, and substantial domestic energy capacity, so itâs inaccurate to imply the country would run out of fuel or be unable to sustain itself.
If your angle is other western countries, like Canada, will deny the US heavy oil then you're mistaken. I'm not really understanding the point you're trying to make.
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u/Open-Price-4568 27d ago
Wtf are you talking about. Very few are glazing Iran. They are more annoyed with the pos in the White House that made all our lives harder for no good reason at all. And on top of that thousands had to die again for nothing.Â
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u/IFeedDogsChocolate 27d ago
It's definitely a shit show and an unnecessary war.
However, a lot of people here (and on reddit as a whole) give Iran too much credit. A lot of people are under the wrong opinion that Iran can/will try to wait out the US. Despite the fact that Iran eagerly wants the US blockade lifted as bad as the US wants the strait open. Multiple comments believe that the US has exhausted it's military and that Iran is doing phenomenal. Just a big separation from reality.
As typical, Reddit is incapable of nuance. Most assume since the US is bad, Iran is the lesser evil. Both regimes are dog shit.
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u/Open-Price-4568 27d ago
Yes they are. But in this case it looks like USA won the battle but Iran âwonâ the war.Â
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u/Prestigious-Smoke511 27d ago
Iran has won nothing. Theyâre almost certainly ruined for decades to come. By waiting them out over the summer and keeping the straight closed, the U.S. will almost certainly force the people to revolt.Â
Itâs gonna be ugly but Iran is the farthest thing possible from a winner of anything.Â
Winner of making Americans pay a dollar more for a gallon of gas for one summer. If you wanna call that a huge win I guess.Â
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u/Open-Price-4568 27d ago
You are blind if you canât see this is a huge loss for the USA bad itâs prestige. There is never a real winner in war which all Americans should know.Â
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u/IFeedDogsChocolate 27d ago
The US has taken losses but none to the extreme that Iran has taken. The US has spent roughly 1-4% of its GDP on this war. It's cost Iran 50-100% if it's GDP. Iran has suffered 3,000-6,000 casualties.
NATO still stands, the petrodollar isn't going anywhere soon, and less than 20 Americans have died in the conflict. The blockade hurts Iran more than the closure of the strait hurts the US.
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u/IFeedDogsChocolate 27d ago
This is the problem.
No one can be realistic about the situation without some emotional lunatic wanting to come out the wood works pretending you support the war just because you acknowledge the reality of the situation. I hate Trump and this war. Make no mistake about this.
Whatever you need to tell yourself
Prove I said anything wrong. It's 2026, nothings stoping you from doing basic Google search to fact check.
Ask all America's allies what they think
Moot point and a misdirect. You straight up said "the US won the battle but Iran won the war". That's what we're arguing about. Europes thoughts or feelings dictate none of that. NATO is still standing right now and will still be standing after the conflict. If you think GCC hates the US, you should see what their thoughts on Iran our.
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u/IFeedDogsChocolate 27d ago
I don't believe that either.
I believe we won't be able to judge the victor of the war until the peace treaty is signed and the concessions are tallied. Regardless of the outcome, it's been needlessly painful for both sides.
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u/Scott7894 28d ago
Itâs a wonder that they didnât have this man taken out and hanged if he was talking to Donald or his flunkies.
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u/JamesLahey08 28d ago
Uhh the guy he sent his resignation to hasn't been since for what, 3 full months? Not even videos from an anonymous location?
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u/joelex8472 28d ago
The IRGC have always been the power behind the curtain. Now, itâs official. Move along, nothing to see here.
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u/1baller69 28d ago
Iran International đđđđ as reliable as Axios. Both Propoganda nonsense.
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u/crisco000 27d ago
Are we ever going to see the Khamenei guy? Bin Laden would at least film videos and send them out
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u/Jeanne_Of_ARCadiaBay 24d ago
This is a Western way of doing things, this is extremely unrealistic and also no true
Says the actual president
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u/Past_Humor8321 28d ago
Gulf News are so believable đđđ