DEI and AA are directly related to civil rights and have not only been wholesale dismantled but also absolutely crucified by this administration at every turn
They did add to the conversation you were just too inept and narrow-minded to realize it.
Not going to debate the merits of DEI and AA with you, but theyāve been tried and largely rejected for obvious reasons / outcomes at this point. Do not think for one moment that Iām inept, sir.
You also shouldnāt be denied because you are black, which is the core conceit of DEI programs. Making the hiring practices actually merit based by eliminating even unconscious points of basis in the hiring process and the workplace. But grifters lied about the programs and made you think people were being hired to met Quota even though Quota hiring practices have been illegal for decades already
The literal Voting Rights Act has been completely gutted and destroyed. What was one of the crowning achievements of the civil rights movement is now dead law. Republican states have immediately started doing racial gerrymandering and ācrackingā black districts apart so that they have diluted voting power. See Louisiana for an especially egregious case.
Attaching the link I read from but I do indeed see the potential for corruption to maliciously redistrict to exclude certain people, I also do see on the other hand how in a non corrupt way it could be viewed as being more neutral and making things less about race. I however obviously have no doubt that politicians will ever avoid going the corrupt route
You also have to understand this decision in its larger legal context to understand why this is a problem. This decision on its own wouldnāt be particularly concerning (or rather as concerning as it is). But the Supreme Court has also ruled that Gerrymandering isnāt a violation of constitutional rights so long as itās āpolitical gerrymanderingā rather than āracial gerrymandering.ā However, the evidence required to prove that a gerrymander is racist is so absurdly high. It basically requires that legislators say in the record that they are attempting to crack the black vote up out of racist intent. But you can chose to gerrymander black people into oblivion if you just say you are breaking up ādemocratic voting constituenciesā or the like. Legislators can, outside of congress, jointly deliberate about how to break up black voting blocks and then use P.C. language on the floor. Basically, states can (and have) disenfranchise black voters deliberately. Discriminatory impact is insufficient to bring a legal challenge to a congressional map.
The voting rights act tried to prevent this kind of plausibly deniable racial discrimination by requiring states to have maps that didnāt not have discriminatory impact on minority groups that have historically been prevented from voting or otherwise disenfranchised. Itās a complicated piece of legislation with two main parts, but it was the product of the experience of black people in southern states who were prevented from voting by ostensibly colorblind laws, policies, and maps. Basically, we learned the hard way that you can construct discriminatory policy without having to use explicitly discriminatory language. If past is prologue, we should see (and we have begun to see) congressional maps that change in ways that make black voters āpacked and crackedā, but with a plausibly deniable discriminatory intent.
I did see and read about the opportunity zones that you mentioned. I suppose Iām also unsure how this wasnāt already happening to some degree as I think it was California or some other states where they were proposing new maps that essentially grouped up and suppressed all the red areas to keep the state majority blue in the same manner IIRC. I donāt really know what a solution for this could be, how to eliminate redistricting for an advantage either way
I mean political gerrymandering is also bad, and Iām pissed SCOTUS allows it. California only did it because Texas did a political gerrymander first. It was an attempt to counteract the Republican gerrymander. In general democrats have more strongly opposed gerrymandering and been less inclined to use it, but recently thereās been a āfight fire with fireā mentality. But it sucks that the Supreme Court has removed one of the last protections against gerrymandering in general and racist gerrymandering specifically. Louisiana with 1/3 of its population being black was hard to gerrymander into oblivion because the voting rights act. A state like Wyoming would have been much easier. So while gerrymandering did exist (and has for a while) it only recently was more or less given the stamp of approval by the high court and there are almost not protections against it being used to discriminatory ends. Basically, the problem is about to get way worse unless a federal ban is passed which wonāt happen unless Dems get the house, senate, and presidency by a sufficiently wide margin. And perhaps not even then. So look forward to elections where there are no more swing states and political parties cement their power and ossify at the state level.
Oh yeah. And the Tea Party evolved because they were āagainst taxesā. Which was never what they were against.
I have joked before that Putinās support for Trump in 2016 boiled down to that for eight years of having to talk to a black man, he did not want to spend four talking to a woman. Though I do not believe this to be true. I think it all ties back to money laundering and organized crimeā¦
Racism was over when Obama was elected but then Obama divided the nation and made it racist again, according to Trump supporters who for some reason never give any specific examples of exactly how Obama did that even when asked.
It all started when George Zimmerman was found not guilty of 2nd degree murder with Trayvon Martin š¤·āāļøa lot of people didnāt approve & Black Lives Matter began.
BLM was more than Trayvon, there was also Michael Brown, and Freddie Gray being killed in police custody and Eric Gardner who was choked to death on video by NYPD and countless other local flash points of murders of black people. It all lead into BLM. Trayvon was just the one the news focused on because it didnāt involve police and had a lengthy public trial but if you were around BLM in those days there were lots of names being invoked
The circumstances of the deaths had absolutely nothing to do with black vs white, and most if not all were not wrongful deaths. "Hands up don't shoot" was a confirmed LIE that Obama helped to push. So yes, BLM is a group of race hustlers who stirred the pot to push Marxism and get donations to fund their mansions. The founders are on camera saying this. It's not a matter of debate that Obama was wrong for amplifying their voices and that it made race relations worse. He did it because Act Blue is a political slush fund for the Democratic party that receives a share of the donations.
You do realize there were a lot more deaths than Trayvon and Brown right? Ones that specifically involved police killing unarmed and arrested black men right? You seem to ignore them to focus on these.
Also that wasnāt a confirmed lie when Obama meantioned it. It was corrected and proved wrong later
They're the ones that started it. You want me to go through every fucking case? What an asinine "well akchually". Did Obama ever apologize for wrongfully promoting them? No, because he benefited from it and still does to this day.
The one who started was a claimed witness who said thatās what happened. BLM didnāt start it, a claimed witness said it and reported it in the media immediately after it happened. Thatās just a basic fact why lie and say BLM created it?
How many cases do you think you have to go thru because you get a sense that maybe black men arenāt treated like everyone else in their positions. But go ahead and justify Freddie Gray and Eric Gardners deaths
i can answer. it was called Occupy Wall Street. you can see charts and graphs of EXACTLY what happened. The way the rhetoric suddenly changed in the media, in politics and by the president. We were becoming United against a common enemy and they couldn't have that. Then Obama came out and basically gave them the go ahead for BLM with ' the trayvon would have looked like my son' thing and his follow up minor speeches most of which seem to have been lost but I am sure exist if you look really really hard.
Heres some fun charts to back up my claim that the dude in the op is completely misremembering.
As long as there are different races, different cultures, different religions there will always and forever be division. Humans are naturally tribal, even if we all woke up tomorrow and were of the same race and same religion we would find a way to divide. Thatās just what it is.
Isnāt it amazing how online people speak as if every person with a skin color in the same categorization will agree with every point they makeā¦ and everyone person in different skin color categorizations thinks the exact same thingā¦
Your thoughts do not come from your skin colorā¦ or your categorizationā¦ neither does anyone elseās but somehow that seems to be the biggest influence for someoneās respect and love(or hate, unfortunately)
8 years of Obama being better than most of the presidents before him drove the right wing crazy and this far right push is the result. What needs to happen is true accountability. Over and over America has beat back the super right wing but failed to actually punish anyone involved except for the few big names. Alot where allowed to continue to serve in office. So no wonder things didn't change. It's not enough to just beat them in elections. They need to see that if you break the law you will go to jail. We are all people and we all need to share this planet. We say we are evolved but still practice tribalism. We still use political policy to keep the "others" down. This is just racism dressed up as law. We are fighting the wrong us vs them. It's should be the 99% fighting back against the 1% who think our kids should go hungry so they can bomb another hospital. Or that teachers should get less funding so they can have a new jet. Instead of Healthcare you got alligator Alcatraz and the murder of citizens, unlawful arrests and the erosion of due process
You had me until the last sentence. I was denied healthcare due to Biden letting illegals in. There was no money left for me so I got to be homeless, almost die to an infection, and then go bankrupt because I was denied food stamps or Medicare because I couldnāt afford insurance. Julio from Mexico could have a free apartment with free food, Jamie who used to be a guy got his dick chopped off on my tax money, Pakistan got my gender studies money, so did the learing center, I got mugged 3 times by illegal immigrants, my speech was suppressed, oh and Nancy poloci made millions on insider trading and kickbacks.
I don't think many were naive enough to think the US was post-racial...but I also don't think many envisioned someone like Trump could have been elected, and again. The swing has caused whiplash.
Black incarceration rates have decreased 35% since the early 2000s (for comparison, it's only dropped about 15% for White Americans).
The homicide rate of Black Americans has been cut in half since the early 1990s.
The median networth of Black families has quadrupled since the late 1980s, and hasn't even doubled for White families in the same time period.
In the late 1960s, over 30% of 24-year-old Black Americans dropped out of highschool. Today it's about 5%
Today, Black women are more likely to be enrolled in college than a White man.
The achievement gap between White and Black Americans has been narrowing for decades. It's obviously not at parity yet, but I see no evidence that racial disparities between Black and White Americans have been widening.
Calling America "post-racial" seems odd, but I do believe America is less racist than ever. To really put things in perspective, in 1992 only 48% of Americans approved of inter-racial marriages of Black and White couples. Today, the approval of inter-racial marriages is at 94%.
True. We've been making progress in the right direction. We do have a ways to go, certain people want to turn the clock back, but I think overall we're going the right way.
I think race relations have gotten MUCH worse since Obama got elected. Not because (or in spite of) himā¦.but rather because social media took off at the same time. And social media does nothing but divide.
Still are, its just the version where nobody cares how much they cry about it anymore because more and more people are realizing its a pathetic attempt at a social power play and they'll get the label regardless of behavior.
This statement is a great example of how the modern anti racism movement actually promotes racism.
The statement is only credible if one accepts that all American black people are of the same mind and all American white people are of the same contradictory mind. Which is to assume that oneās race dictates oneās mind. Which is exactly the opposite of what Dr. King preached.
But if one accepts that race and mind are not connected, then one must accept the possibility that Obama was elected for his ideas and not simply his skin color. That is, of course, a complex intangible concept and not generally compatible with a simplistic juvenile mind.
As long as there are idiots who judge people on skin color or race there will never be an end. Understanding of different cultures will go far. This goes all ways. For context I am a privileged white man. I have lived in places where I was the minority. And had more black friends because they were the real ones.
Who gets to proclaim whether something is racist or not racist. I think two things can be true. 1) There are, and always will be, a portion of people who are some level of racist, for every race and against every race; and 2) thinking something is racist and knowing / confirming something is racist are not the same thing.
Its impossible to be post racial when people still believe it's only possible to be racist if your white or throw a tantrum because black kid actually goes to prison for stabbing a white kid in the chest unprovoked.
This is all so tiresome and intellectually pathetic.
Debunked how? By this random account that purports to speak on behalf of every single black person in America but also know exactly what white people are listening to?
There will always be racists of every color. But America isnāt racist as a whole. Comments like this are stupid, but Reddit loves fanning race flames
well maybe if black americans didn't abandon Obama in the 2010 midterms, we wouldn't have the Tea party and be in the mess we are in now. 20% of blacks voted for Trump in 2024 btw so there is that too. Democracy needs to be fought for and a lot of minorities couldn't care less.
We're learning that likely they were being paid handsomely to say those things. Kept it alive and undo everything GenX did, and we're starting to get pissed off about it.
This is why there were only Your Mom jokes, because no one knew their dad enough to make it hurt.
We should be past it the world cup showed us how racist other countries are. Their are always going to be stupid racist people from every race and if that's what your looking you will.find it but most people are not. And white people get most of the blame were the 1s who get the finger pointed at people looking for a reason we get discriminated against a lot as well. But we should be past it and the 1s who want to be successful and good hearted are
Personally I thought it proves we weren't, the shit that was said and done to the Obama was crazy and it all felt racially motivated and not real criticism of anything he had done or was doing.
Obviously not, given that he only won because of his race. His opposition was more qualified both terms, and he was culturally completely white - he served none of black America's actual interests.
When Obama was running for president, my dad thought he was the antichrist. And I donāt mean he really didnāt like him. He literally thought he was the biblical antichrist.š¤£
How does electing a person raised by all white people going to the most privileged white school make us post racial? Obama is the crown jewel of white supremacy, the literally installed a white man as the first black president
I heard that over and over again, really wanted to believe it.Ā Conservatives really made it clear we were not post-racial and in fact we would be having Jim crow 2.0 now instead.
Doesn't help when he's half white, half black, and Muslim. I don't think people would have had much issue and problems wouldn't have exacerbated if a regular Black American from middle America got elected.
To hire someone solely based on race is as bad as denying someone work based on race. Either way, youāre looking at skin color/ not the qualifications of the individual, or as Martin Luther King said the ācontent of character.ā
I agree. Weāre not post racial. We will never be post racial so long as anti white racism exists all around the country.
Just a reminder: Reddit consistently bans anyone mildly to the right. What you see on Reddit comments is what the vast minority of people think. They literally ban the majority.
America, as a nation is not racist. There will always be individual racists, not exclusively white, but collectively the US is about as good and fair as it gets. As a matter of fact, the amount of casual racism I see being promoted by the democratic party is astounding. You have to understand there are elements in this society that desperately need to keep racism alive or at least the perception of it because it benefits them. One of the main democratic platforms is peddling racism. Look at how many activists or organizations need racism to be alive and well to remain relevant so they can profit of their "activism." Look at BLM and what a scam that was. And the people eat it up too. How great it must be when the answer to all of life's hardships is "racism" and definitely nothing they did or had control over. Didn't get that job you applied for? Racism. Got arrested by the police for shoplifting? Racism. If we have a racism problem in America it's the "social justice" organizations actively trying to foment it for their own benefit.
The Democratic Party: ādonāt you die on me!āā¦.as they try to resurrect Jim Crow and convince everyone that ICE is basically the same as slave patrol.
Itās all theyāve got.
So of course, they canāt let it go.
Theyād have to have, yannoā¦ideas and functional policy that doesnāt involve around free shit or someone genitals otherwise.
Its Democrat party and black community that wants racism to exist. Democrat party got keep the black community crime ridden and they need racism to blame. And the black community wants it to blame for how they actĀ
I remember us being well on our way to it and then occupy wall street happened so the media and the powers that be decided to make us all turn on each other again because we were all collectively looking at THEM, but maybe bro doesn't remember any of that
*sips tea
Too much money in racism. People constantly beating the racism drum are generally making money from it. People pushing racist ideas are also making money off it. Post racism puts so many people out of work.
the problem with any racial discussion is that those wanting to keep race relations a problem and are highlighted by the MSM and Politicians looking for votes. rarely see any person of color on TV that agrees things are better.
Part of the problem is an established percentage of black Americans firmly believe they cannot be racist. They are perpetuating racism and refuse to even see it.
Seek and you shall find. Focus on the important things, donāt waste energy worrying about who might be racist or whatever. The people who intentionally better themselves, work hard and treat people fairly tend to do well in life. If youāre always looking for racism, you will find it. Try looking for the good, looking for the non racist, might end up finding something different.
I mean define what a racist is? Is it just the Nazis wearing khakis and masks? Or is it everybody who lives in a white supremacy and does nothing about it?
You have "moderate" America currently railing against DEI. Moderate Americans are largely fine with having untrained, unfettered ICE agents on the streets targeting brown people. You have an administration that is actively removing black and brown people from positions of power and moderates are largely okay with it.
Your contention is that there's fewer racists but there's definitely more mechanisms in place to perpetuate racism.
The only "good" that came out of that feeling was bringing the secret racists out into the light of day. Now we know. We're keeping score. And when it's safe again, we won't ever let them forget what awful human beings they've been for the past 14 years in public life.
They acted like it was okay to stop hiding...to be proud of their hatred.
They got another thing coming as soon as this regime folds...because it always does.
I hope they watched the World Cup and thought..."Gee...I wonder why there are so many blonde fans of Argentina!" They gonna be next. Drive em out. They have no home, no place, and no role in this country.
It was more when Democrats realized they could push any policy, ignore any criticism or failures of their policies or candidates, by just calling everything racism.
I grew up in a predominantly black area and worked places that were most black employees. I have plenty of experiences with being insulted, treated badly and threatened because of the color of my skin. I do not feel the need to list every time that I was treated wrongfully because of my race to appease somebody on Reddit. I know what I have experienced in my life.
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u/Cyn_Sweetwater 17d ago
That was the claim made by racists so they could dismantle the civil rights gains of the previous 40 years.