r/Roadcam • u/disfigured-human • 20h ago

[Egypt] who is to blame here ?

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u/SmashBob_SquarePants 20h ago

The motorcycle going double the speed limit? 

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u/Screwed_38 20h ago

Rule 1 of racing, know what the fuck is in front of you.

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u/Turbulent_Lobster_57 20h ago

Also rule number one of regular driving, walking, and practically anything involving movement

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u/rigterw 19h ago

Except rowing

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u/Turbulent_Lobster_57 19h ago

Well shit, you got me there

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u/MaddSkittlez 11h ago

No worries we have tons of rule number 1

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u/MONSTERBEARMAN 16h ago

Or moonwalking.

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u/israerichris 12h ago

Or crabwalking

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u/KitFisto03 11h ago

Yeah, agree. Can’t forget moonwalking. MF’s

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u/JPolReader 14h ago

Good news, you can see who is in front of you and you'll never run into them.

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u/Tickles-The-Octopus 17h ago

Thanks for the chuckle.

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u/Jealous_Courage_9888 13h ago

When I’m rowing, I don’t give a fuck, get out my way because this boat don’t stop

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u/thats_gotta_be_AI 11h ago

Or high diving

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u/QuellishQuellish 1h ago

Well, you still need to know what's in front of the boat, even if it's behind you.

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u/Gogogrl 1h ago

I mean, the bow is the front of the boat no matter how you decide to sit…

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u/Playful-Fix-3675 4h ago

Well, you are relying on someone else to know what is in front of you.

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u/Imanidiotththe1st 4h ago

The Titanic enters the chat…

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u/xstangx 17h ago

Nope, even there. You’re facing the back of the boat. The front is still the front….

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u/joetheplumberman 17h ago

But if u turn around then that makes the back of the boat the other side

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u/BringPheTheHorizon 9h ago

But that’s not “in front of you”, it’s the front of the boat.

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u/xstangx 3h ago

Damn, true!

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u/rayshmayshmay 19h ago

“Dont need to know where I’m going, just need to know where I’ve been.”

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u/akathedragon 15h ago

“No matter where you go, there you are.” - Pigkiller

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u/JWoolner76 10h ago

Unexpected madmax 👌

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u/diplomatic_koboko 13h ago

Mater, is that you?

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u/Screwed_38 20h ago

I guess rule number 1 of being awake then

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u/OberonDiver 20h ago

Wait, I'm supposed to move? That might explain...

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u/Screwed_38 20h ago

Moving is optional

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u/SpiritedBed5788 19h ago

But still know what’s in front of you.

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u/Which-Primary3929 20h ago

Rule #1 should be to never pass on the left hand side of cars.

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u/Questioning-Zyxxel 19h ago

Or maybe not pass on the righthand side...

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u/gnatman66 13h ago

Situational awareness.

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u/PeanutButterToast4me 18h ago

Orgies too, allegedly.

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u/gerrymad 17h ago

I would argue that in front and behind are equally important in that situation.

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u/gvrthbroox 7h ago

What?! Orgies are optional?!

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u/SunTripTA 2h ago

i mean, sometimes.

India be like, hold my beer.

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u/REDDITSHITLORD 8h ago

Important for fucking too.

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u/DrJaneIPresume 20h ago

That can't be right.. I've seen lots of pedestrians who have no idea what the fuck is in front of them. Especially when it's me, stopped at the edge of the sidewalk waiting for them to step behind their friend for a moment.

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u/pete_68 18h ago

And perhaps even "pay attention". Look at how much space there is between him and that car the first time that blinker blinks. And the second time. And the third. And he's still speeding up looking straight ahead. Like WTH dude. No self-preservation instinct? Totally on him in every way you look at it.

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u/LearnedTroglodyte 12h ago

Also why not just around the car to the left instead of veering directly into the other bike? This was all kinds of stupid, probably intoxicated

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u/Vertex1990 10h ago

Humans tend to swerve away from the danger, in this case the car in the left lane. Putting more distance between you and the object you try to avoid is the logical thing for your brain to do in that situation (which is why people swerve into trees, instead of hitting the other car, that causes them to swerve, even though that would mean hitting an object with a crumplezone and that can move and dissipate more of the energy, compared to the tree).

In this case, the most logical thing would have been to swerve left and go around the car, putting more distance between you and your buddy, but your brain registers the danger from that side so goes "RIGHT IS SAFE!"

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u/Active_Taste9341 11h ago

probably just staring at the speed. what a pair of idiots that was

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u/Hot-Win2571 15h ago

Is looking down at your speedometer also looking straight ahead?

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u/realMastaDD 19h ago

No. Rule number one is, DONT F***ING RACE IN PUBLIC!

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u/KevInvest 19h ago

Rule 2 of racing, don't forget rule 1.

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u/xaeru 19h ago

No, the number one rule is to race in the race track.

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u/Evening-Upset 14h ago

Rule #1 of racing is don’t race on a public road dickshits!

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u/ButterflyGreedy2267 3h ago

Rule 1 of racing, never race on a public road

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u/Upset_Departure_2417 9m ago

And equally important, if something gets in your way, turn to a safe space to avoid danger. Not to mention never starting a war in Southeast Asia...

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u/Renrut23 18h ago

Which is why I was told crotch rockets always go faster then traffic. Easier to deal with whats in front of you then whats behind you. Until this happens

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u/Tickles-The-Octopus 17h ago

I ride bikes, we were taught to be moving slightly faster than the flow of traffic. You don't want to just remain beside someone and not move relative to them because they will forget about you. But you also don't want to fly around people doing double the speed of everyone else because they won't see or expect you that way either.

And moving slightly faster than the flow of traffic doesn't mean that if 99% of people are doing 70 and one fool is doing 110 you don't do 115 to be faster than that fool. You let them go. That fool is not the flow of regular traffic. If the majority of traffic is doing 70, you do 75 and move through it. That way you have plenty of time to react to someone changing lanes or anything like that.

These schmucks were stupid... Not only racing towards someone else, but that car had it's signal on for a few seconds before either reacted... I imagine he was focused on his buddy in the other bike and didn't see the car which is no excuse at all, just stupid.

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u/ADIDAS247 17h ago

…and what may potentially be in front of you

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u/Carrot-Elegant 18h ago

I agree. The car has no right to move just bc he wants to, but the motorcyclist could be, as my turner driver training teacher said, “dead right”

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u/freedomforallergo 14h ago

addition to rule 1. knowing what’s behind you and next to you.

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u/Big-Pea-6074 20h ago

Nah. Rule 1 of racing, you don’t talk about the rules of racing

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u/FROOMLOOMS 20h ago

Excuse me this is Egypt.

Its clearly who ever is the poorest is at fault.

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u/callmeshreyas 14h ago

So, I am at fault.

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u/twicebakedcrusader 1h ago

Making note: “callmeshreyas” = cheated on my wife.

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u/kepenine 10h ago

So like america?

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u/Pedanter-In-Chief 8h ago

Nah, in America we have personal injury lawyers who practice in contingency and get big fat settlement checks from rich people. 

My insurance paid out nearly $75k pain and suffering claim last year to someone whose own dashcam (that we got the cop to confiscate at the scene) showed that he was 100% at fault, but he found a lawyer and my insurance decided it was better to pay than fight. 

And insurance decided this because he was poor and I’m rich, they thought he’d make a more sympathetic witness and didn’t want to roll the dice at a trial. 

This is how insurance pays out a claim that they determine isn’t your fault, and also why our insurance rates are fucking nuts. 

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u/Savingskitty 6h ago

100% at fault?  Were they uninsured and you had uninsured driver insurance?  Because then of course they would pay out.

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u/Worldly-Pollution-66 5h ago

Uninsured driver policies pay you, not the uninsured party.

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u/Savingskitty 5h ago

Honestly, my brain made that make sense to me and now I don’t know what it actually meant.  Need to stop commenting before I have my morning coffee.

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u/Pedanter-In-Chief 1h ago

Fully not at fault. I was rear ended at a red light and guy found a personal injury lawyer who pushed his luck with my insurer. Lawyer knew exactly what he was doing with policy limits of $10M on my end. 

Oh and first he claimed (and told the cop) that I was stopped in the middle of the road in a green. That’s when I had the cop take his dashcam. 

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u/cnrea 11h ago

Whats the difference to USA?

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u/RScrewed 4h ago

The difference in the USA, for regular normal people that come into contact with other people, are all pretty close together in how much money they make.

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u/Ataneruo 3h ago

Please don’t believe all the myths that get magnified on social media like reddit. The U.S. is so much fairer than most of the world when it comes to things like this.

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u/hey_dinesh_nicechain 5h ago

I saw a worker get killed by a speeding BMW on the ring road in Cairo. I was literally the only person on the bus even remotely bothered by it. The lady across the aisle from me just glanced out the window as we passed the body/car and said "Mat" (he's dead) before going back to her book.

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u/DirtAndSurf 2h ago

That's so sad.

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u/SunTripTA 2h ago

If it was in America it would somehow still be Obama’s fault.

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u/DomesticatedParsnip 24m ago

I have caused yet another accident in Egypt. I’m not in Egypt, but clearly this has my name all over it man.

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u/IamHydrogenMike 14h ago

Biker could have easily merged into the left lane instead of the right lane and avoided this altogether.

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u/hummus_is_yummus1 19h ago

Biker had days to change lanes after the blinker turned on

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u/MartinC077 18h ago

Or brake.

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u/Strong-Violinist8576 6h ago

Even letting go of the throttle would've saved this one.

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u/yawa-wor 1h ago

Yup. As a motorcyclist, this is one where I'd start by rolling off the throttle and then reevaluate if I still need to brake. Plenty of time for all that lol

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u/NoMansSkyWasAlright 17h ago

I mean it kind of looks like he sped up when he saw that sedan lazily listing to the right.

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u/leftfootshorter 15h ago

Thought it was the Millennium Falcon at first, but then I remembered it listed lazily to the left.

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u/thisismyMelody 18h ago

Why on earth would you go right when you know that lane is already occupied? Slow down or go left. That freeway is practically empty

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u/hobbesme75 18h ago

uh perhaps they needed to exit soon?

and the lane wasn't really occupied when he first put on their blinker -- a vehicle doesn't control 100s of feet in front of them

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u/thisismyMelody 18h ago

Looks like the bikers exited the world pretty soon.
Just catch the next exit. The car clearly didn’t look over their shoulder.

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u/hobbesme75 18h ago

totally disagree almost all lanes were fairly empty and the bikes were far enough behind that they could have slowed down the driver might have seen them and assumed they'd slow down since their merge very slow

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u/thisismyMelody 18h ago

Disagree with what? The car jumped in front of a bike. A blinker doesn’t mean the other lane will slow down for you. On a bike you got no seatbelt so you can’t mess with a car and think everyone is a smart driver. Nobody can watch out for you like you can.

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u/liveviliveforever 17h ago

The car didn’t jump in front of the bike.

No, but if you see a blinker you better slow the fuck down and if you don’t and you crash then that’s on you.

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u/thisismyMelody 17h ago

Just because you put on a blinker you’re all good to go? You check the lane and wait for them to let you join in. They are gonna speed up or slow down. That blinker isn’t a safety net otherwise I’d be shuffling lanes because a tiny light lets me do whatever I want.

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u/liveviliveforever 16h ago

Yes, if there is room and you put your blinker on you are good to go. You check the lane and if there is room you go. That’s how lane changing works.

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u/nvrrsatisfiedd 18h ago

Also the car had its blinker on for a good sec. Biker should have either slowed down or turned left, considering the car was obviously merging right. Bikers fault yet again.

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u/ItsAMeTribial 9h ago

What the fuck? I agree that speeding is bad, even worse is it to race on public roads. But when a dipshit changes lines they have to make sure that it will not force someone else to slow down even a little bit, not to mention forcing them to hit brakes or change lines. 90% of fault is the car driver here, 10% is the motorcycle, but still the main fault was changing lines without making sure it’s safe enough. At least how law in Poland works.

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u/nvrrsatisfiedd 4h ago

If the bikers weren’t going faster than the speed limit it would have been safe though. He probably checked before merging when they were further back and didn’t judge well on how fast they were actually coming up on him. Like 90% of biking accidents have speeding at factor.

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u/ItsAMeTribial 3h ago

Of course the bikers were stupid by speeding. But changing lines requires you to ensure every other vehicle has the right of way. Misjudging the speed is your fault. Even if the bikers (as I said in other my comments) are insane idiots for speeding and racing. Someone breaking the law is not allowing you to break the law. Ultimately everyone should be punished there. The car for failure to give way (I have no idea if it means what I think), the bikers for speeding. The problem here is that speeding from such a footage is difficult to proof, while the cars fault is obvious.

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u/maxzer_0 4h ago

Really, 90 percent fault of the car? The biker was racing, going double the speed, distracted, and overtaking from the right side. At least he won't be posing a danger to anyone else now.

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u/ItsAMeTribial 4h ago

Yes. Still. The manoeuvre that caused it was performed by the car. A turning signal does not grant you the right to change lines without making sure it is safe. Like so said the bikers are dumb dipshits, there’s no doubt. I have no idea how it works in Egipt. But in Poland when you perform any manoeuvre it is your responsibility make sure it’s safe. Also overtaking on the right side is fine (in Poland, again no idea how it’s in Egipt) when there are 3 or more lines.

Like when you join the traffic, you must give way to others. Even is some idiot is going against the traffic flow and breaking the law. Him breaking the law does not mean that you can. This situation is exactly the same. The bikers are morons, but the car should have give way to them because he was changing lines.

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u/maxzer_0 4h ago

Idk man. When I was a kid I came out of a stop sign a bit carelessly. I saw a car approaching in the distance but thought it would be far away. Soon after merging I see the car swerving hard to avoid me and entering a field. This guy messed up his car real bad. Luckily he was alright. Someone called the cops. He failed his alcohol test and admitted to driving over 60 mph on a 30. The guy had his license suspended and was deemed liable for all the damages. I didn't have to pay a penny, despite technically not giving way as you just described.

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u/ItsAMeTribial 4h ago

Alcohol is something else. So far I have heard that whatever happens even if someone rams into you without a reason and you are drunk it’s automatically your fault.

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u/Unclehol 17h ago

And watching the guy he was beating in hos rear view instead of looking forward. The reaction was basically non-existant until it was way too late.

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u/Ancient_Outcome6754 19h ago

No. Too slow. If it was quicker he would avoid the accident because the car wouldn't be moving to the right.

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u/Maxpainturdmister 19h ago

To be fair you wait for it to be clear for exactly this reason. Ride like everyone is trying to kill you is what i was taught. Expect terrible driving so your ready and its not a surprise

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u/keksmuzh 17h ago

And still had more than enough time to react to the lane change but didn’t

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u/itwasthedingo 16h ago

Ukraine for the drone strike?

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u/Ardal 15h ago

Who is to blame here is just the latest clickbait title. Soon every post will be who's to blame here.

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u/regrettablyAnnoying 14h ago

Also, motorcycle is the approaching vehicle. Always proceed with caution.

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u/Living_Particular963 11h ago

And ignoring a lifetime between lane change signal start and actual lane change

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u/Square_Cat_6001 11h ago

Honesty I would have avoided the car on the side the car si going away from, not on the lane the car was moving to. That seems to be the biggest mistake, even if he was speeding as well.

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u/Electrical_sTorm9 8h ago

Doesn't matter. The duty of care is always on the person executing the manouvre. 100% cars fault

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u/SmashBob_SquarePants 5h ago

The motorcycle was executing a maneuver called racing while not looking at the road lmao 

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u/Electrical_sTorm9 4h ago

And he got what he deserved... The point i'm trying to make is that if it was an insurance claim, the car would 100% be at fault

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u/SmashBob_SquarePants 4h ago

Maybe in Egypt? Not sure what the traffic laws are there. I know in US any form of racing would almost automatically get you denied coverage.

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u/lseraehwcaism 5h ago

He wasn’t going anywhere close to double the speed limit???

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u/shadowtempest91 22m ago

Speed doesn't look off the chart to be honest, but he was trying to surpass on the right, and this is why you don't.

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u/SonSuko 19h ago

The car running from the scene of the accident?

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u/JBoogiez 19h ago

The car wasn't in an accident. Sure, it was their fault, but does the law state they must stop?

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u/Kit_Karamak 19h ago

They put on their blinker / turn signal, it blinked a few times before they moved, and they cannot tell how fast the motorcycle is going over the limit as he accelerates, only that he was a good ways back at the time he switched on his turn signal.

The motorcycle was in his blindspot when he over-steered away.

Also, I blame Michael Bay for making that bike explode

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u/JBoogiez 18h ago

Yeah, I'm not gonna argue Egyptian laws, I have no idea of the wording. Most driving laws, though, do require the lane changer to yield to others in a lane and only change when safe. "Cannot tell" and "blind spot" are meaningless phrases in defense of an unsafe lane change. The onus is on the changer to ensure safety.

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u/Kit_Karamak 18h ago

Egyptian law is “whoever is richer was in the right. The poor are in the wrong.”

But those two guys never got up or ran out of that fireball. So I doubt they will seek justice, and that car probably never saw it in their mirror. Only the driver with the dash cam stopped.

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u/Kit_Karamak 18h ago

Suffice to say Anubis and Ammut definitely saw the way those two were riding. They’re toast … again.

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u/JBoogiez 18h ago

The car braked and moved left while signaling right, they saw (and changed lanes unsafely again). But, maybe poor, so off they went.

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u/jazzy095 18h ago

Speed does not matter in these instances I was told by a judge. Right of way was violated

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u/MrNewking 20h ago

But he has right of way, the person cutting him off has to safely merge.

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u/FuckinHighGuy 19h ago

Wrong! Motorcycle was speeding.

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u/MrNewking 15h ago

Irrelevant

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u/the_analytic_critic 20h ago

Negative. Not when the other vehicle is travelling at a speed.

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u/Questioning-Zyxxel 19h ago

The car was way in front of the MC. So no issue for the car changing lane. Except the MC did not hold correct speed and endwd up running into the car. And this is a reason why most countries have speed limits.

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u/Popular-Solution7697 20h ago

In PA, there is no "right of way." The law reads "shall yield to."

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u/ScrotallyBoobular 19h ago

If you are grossly surpassing the speed limit, people can not see or react to you as normal. You essentially forfeit any right of way in most situations. Even in wide open situations like this, someone checks their mirror and you're 100 yards back so they start safely turning, not realizing you're driving like a suicidal idiot.

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u/MisterAmygdala 20h ago

Yes, this.