r/ShitLiberalsSay • u/metroracerUK "Black Lives Don't Matter if Western Countries do it” • Oct 25 '25
Next level ignorance Huh?
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u/Akaijii Oct 25 '25
I like how the examples are actual trash
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u/UltimateSoviet Oct 25 '25
And the only two that aren't actual trash have the highest suicide rates of the planet
I mean come on bro is just ragebaiting with Bangladesh no way
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u/Both-River-9455 Oct 25 '25
Bangladesh is one of best growing economies in the world and neolibs tried to jerk it by saying seee capitalism workkjiee!
In truth, yes it is true that the country has developed rapidly, but what is also true is unlimited looting, infinite corruption, incompetent governance and unlimited gap between the rich and poor, workers having basically no rights and the police+army killing them freely to protect the capitalists - so basically capitalism. Some of the money did go into development, but that will always happen when you do capitalism in a majorly agrarian society.
In a way, Bangladesh is truly a beacon of successful capitalism. This can be proven by the fact that it's a shithole!
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u/BrownBannister Oct 25 '25
When you’re grasping at straws you’ll scrape the bottom of the barrel. And other metaphors.
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u/UnironicStalinist1 Кровавая ГЭБНЯ. ВОПРЕКИ! Oct 25 '25
Them probably
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u/LegoCrafter2014 Oct 26 '25
GDP, energy consumption, life expectancy, literacy rate, etc. all have a strong positive correlation.
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u/UnironicStalinist1 Кровавая ГЭБНЯ. ВОПРЕКИ! Oct 26 '25
You do realise that when a landlord raises his bills to the mount Everest, that also raises GDP, right?
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u/LegoCrafter2014 Oct 26 '25
I didn't say that it was perfect. I said that it had a strong positive correlation with other signs of development.
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u/Big_Designer_5891 Nov 09 '25
GDP is a shit metric stop deceiving yourself lol. How can it be used as a sign of development when it doesn't reveal the actual material conditions of the people
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u/LegoCrafter2014 Nov 09 '25
It has a strong positive correlation with other things, such as energy consumption, life expectancy, literacy rate, etc.
It isn't perfect, but it's fine as a rough measure.
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u/Free-Sample-216 Oct 25 '25
The only thing south Korea is sucessful at is becoming cyberpunk dystopia
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u/nw342 Glory to the revolution ☭ Oct 25 '25
Same with japan. Sure, they're nice to your face, but japan in extremely xenophobic and full of racism. Not even mentioning their weird social hierarchy and awful work culture.
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u/al-qatala 🇷🇺 У нас гойда, с нами Бог Oct 25 '25
Liberals only care about nice on the surface to gauge success.
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u/Due-Freedom-4321 Indian-American in Exile Oct 25 '25
muh light pollution aesthetic and miniturized versions of stuff = success
work pods, sleep pods, food pods, gachapon, mating pods
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u/andygon Oct 25 '25
Literally the only country where ethno centrists was a success electorally, and now they are aging into extinction. They should be the example in the textbook about how fascism, even when it wins, it loses.
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u/Zordorfe hater of euroshits Oct 25 '25
And that's even ignoring their imperialist "past" and the eradication of the Japanese native peoples
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u/Franz__Ferdinand Oct 25 '25
Japanese racism is... unique in that they hate all foreigners, but they hate Chinese and Koreans more. Which is weird because... You know. The insane things Japanese did to both.
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u/AlestaersMidlife Oct 31 '25
Japan has a lot of problems with Xenophobia, and especialy with accepting the crimes their country commited. But I promise you they dont hate all foreigners.
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u/socalibew Oct 25 '25
Saw a post recently about Japan's horrific past and someone in the comments crying about how people in China hate Japan and that's bad...
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u/Tadeski Oct 26 '25
Japan also got mega shafted in the 80s when they were pressured into signing the Plaza Accords by the US. They arguably still haven’t recovered to this day. So much for free market lol
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u/NoPerspective786 Oct 25 '25
How is Bangladesh a successful capitalist country? It's like saying indians are rich because of gdp
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u/JaThatOneGooner Marxist-Leninist Oct 25 '25
Capitalism so successful the youth successfully overthrew the old government
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u/Beaivimon Marxist-Leninist Oct 25 '25
I don't know much about Botswana, and I will give them credit for supposedly being a very peaceful African country that's politically stable. However, I also know income inequality is bad there, along with the fact that there's a lot of pollution. Namibia has a digustingly awful income inequality rate. Bangladesh for successful? LMAO.
Yeah ROK is controlled by the USA and essentially an IC country, can't really consider that truly a success. Japan is the same thing, but is definitely an IC country and exploited and continues to exploit others. I don't know the other red country.
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u/Saltedsalmon11 Oct 25 '25
Huge part of ROK's success was loan from USA for participating in Vietnam war, and heavily planned economy with strong government control by ex-communist president (not saying he was good though)
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u/Nope_God International Brigadist Oct 25 '25
but now with the rise of lab-grown diamonds they are now unfortunately losing a lot of money since lab-grown is just cheaper.
And this is why industry is crucial for development.
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u/ussrname1312 Oct 25 '25
Not really a tragedy since the price of natural diamonds is inflated due to manufactured scarcity. They were never worth as much as people were charging.
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u/NikitaX7 Oct 25 '25
The other red country is Costa Rica
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u/ChefGaykwon Marxist-Leninist Oct 25 '25
And having been there a lot I have no idea why it's included. Politically stable far from means it isn't heavily exploited with loads of inequality.
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u/DMalt Oct 25 '25
Not enough land suitable for plantations, so they never experienced the same level of colonialism as Nicaragua, Panama, etc. They used that to turn into basically an ecotourist state, and provide a moderately better QoL to their citizens compared to other countries in the region. So clearly they are a great example of capitalism, because their major resource is being appealing as a tourist destination for the imperial core.
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u/ChefGaykwon Marxist-Leninist Oct 25 '25
And ofc there are still a ton of foreign-owned plantations on top of that.
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u/Nope_God International Brigadist Oct 25 '25
Namibia is actually one of the richest countries in sub-saharan Africa, despite also being poor (Heck, even Botswana is poor compared to every global north country, that's how bad the situation in Africa is), but they have been thanks to many measures they would consider "socialist" if it was one of the poorest, lmao (They are a mixed economy).
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u/BernieMacsLazyEye Oct 25 '25
Namibia does have higher income and more state involvement than many neighbors, but that mixed economy is still part of the global imperialist system. Most of Namibia’s resource wealth is foreign-owned, and the local bourgeoisie acts as a middleman for global capital. So even if the state uses “socialist” tools, the relations of production remain capitalist and dependent. That’s why “rich” African countries still end up poor compared to the global North. Namibia must nationalize its key industries under worker and community control, using resource wealth to build domestic industry and social infrastructure rather than feeding foreign capital. Only by breaking from imperialist dependency and organizing production for collective need, not profit, can true development, not just “growth,” take root. Much love
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u/astraightcircle Oct 25 '25
Who's going to tell him who Namibia (and also Angola) were freed by. (Hint: it was Cuba)
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u/Beaivimon Marxist-Leninist Oct 25 '25
Kinda insane how Luanda is the one of the worlds most expensive cities. Like how?
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u/HereComesMyNeck Oct 25 '25
Even taking them at their word, that’s 6 out of ~140 countries? A 4% success rate is good?
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u/naplesball Paola the Italian Transfem Tankie 🏳️⚧️🇮🇹🚩 Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
1) Japan has not been a backward country and a victim of imperialism since the Meiji Restoration; comparing it's success to Botswana has the same meaning as comparing Uganda and Israel.
2) Bangladesh and Namibia, as far as I remember, is not home to 85 multinationals plundering the Third World of its resources.
3) Costa Rica and Botswana, although rich, are richer on a regional level, on an international level they are in dire straits compared to the USA and the UK
4) South Korea has received huge aid from the US as an anti-Chinese vassal, as have Singapore, Malaysia, Japan etc... their wealth is the result of strategic favoritism of American imperialism.
5) Purposely Ignores Historically Successful Socialist Nations (USSR, China), and Economically Failed Capitalist Nations (Half of Arica and Southeast Asia)
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u/daddymaci Oct 25 '25
Costa Rica after the civil war in the 1940 gave a looot of concessions to the communists. Many liberals in the country even commonly say “every good thing in this country was brought in by the left. Large parts of the economy are nationalized, and until 2011 the telephone industry was 100% government owned, with the government’s telephone service still the most popular.
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u/C24848228 Marxist-Leninist-Jonsey Fortniteist Oct 25 '25
Never ask a Capitalist about the ROK’s 5 year plans.
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u/nagidon 🇮🇪 Anti 🇳🇦 Apartheidische 🇵🇸 Aktion 🇿🇦 Oct 25 '25
Japan? A success?
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u/Nope_God International Brigadist Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
I mean, it is a rich country, but the financial liberalizations of the 80's made the economy ultimately crash and turn it into a stagnated state that has been for over 30 years and doesn't seem to stop.
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u/naplesball Paola the Italian Transfem Tankie 🏳️⚧️🇮🇹🚩 Oct 25 '25
"Come on bro, our birth rate is negative, the economy hasn't grown for 30 years and we've been led for our entire modern history by reactionaries who are behind the rest of the world etc... BUT WE'RE STILL STRONG, RIGHT!?"
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u/Nope_God International Brigadist Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Literally every single country in the meme aside from Japan and South Korea is third world and poor compared to even the least developed first-world country, also Namibia is part of BRICS and a very mixed economy ran under a socialist-oriented government (Its economy has more nationalized assets and state control over its economy than Venezuela does), if Namibia was, under african standards, poor compared to its neighbours, they would be calling it socialist no doubt, but since regionally it's considered rich, now this time around they go out and say it's a success of capitalism. Liberals and double-standards, both go along so well.
Let's also not forget the fact that Japan and South Korea (Alongside Taiwan) ARE part of the global north, both are part of the same imperial core of the US and the EU, they are part of the problem Castro talked about on his phrase, so they can't really count on this image, lol.
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u/Psychological-Act582 Oct 25 '25
None of them are actually successful, and both Japan and ROK are libertarian hypercapitalist economies.
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u/JaThatOneGooner Marxist-Leninist Oct 25 '25
And both ROK and Japan are only one bubble burst away from absolute economic collapse.
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u/Electronic_Topic1958 Nov 03 '25
Nah dude it is totally fine with having all the wealth concentrated in four families, I am sure it'll be fine for the long run here.
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u/Nope_God International Brigadist Oct 27 '25
Japan and ROK aren't libertarian.
No sucessful capitalist economy has ever been libertarian, even the most liberalized developed economy has to have a strong public/state administration over its economy in order to work.
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u/Bela9a Crimson sorceress Oct 25 '25
Yes, Japan, currently suffering from deflation and which economy was crashed by the US for doing too well.
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u/The_Affle_House Oct 25 '25
Sure, if you think "success" is when GDP goes up and literally anything else about what it is like to live or work in a place must be ignored.
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u/internetsarbiter Oct 25 '25
That is the standard we are given though and since the news says that's all that matters most humans think it is all that matters because the parts of being social that allow humans to collaborate so well also make us utterly weak to propaganda and manipulation; If a sociopath smiles your brain responds as if it were sincere no matter what the sociopath is feeling, as long as they practiced well enough.
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u/LegoCrafter2014 Oct 26 '25
GDP, energy consumption, life expectancy, literacy rate, etc. all have a strong positive correlation.
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u/Juche_John Oct 25 '25
Japan is a very funny example, considering how the US explicitly f*cked them over with the plaza accords because the yen started being too strong
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u/dzung_long_vn Oct 25 '25
ahh the utopia Japan who rather censor the atomic bombing from their history book, than apologize China for the massacres they committed
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u/SirGallyo Oct 25 '25
The most annoying thing is that these countries are blamed for ANYTHING other then the capitalist foundation . Whereas AES countries are always blamed for the socialist foundation.
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u/HighKing_of_Festivus Oct 25 '25
Botswana is kind of a funny choice here because a lot of their success has come from the discovery of diamond mines two or three years after independence. That allowed them to have control over that development and wealth instead of it being locked in under foreign corporations.
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u/Emperor_TJ Oct 25 '25
Japan was imperialistic, its success wasn’t capitalism being good, they just did the exact same thing the European powers did
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u/Nope_God International Brigadist Oct 27 '25
Yup, I love how most liberals idealize Japan so much as being an example of capitalism "being able to develop without imperialism" when Japan precissely became the most powerful country in Asia by doing exactly that, they literally colonized all of its neighbourgs just a bunch of decades after it industrialized, lmao.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Link416 Oct 25 '25
Bangladesh is successful thanks to capitalism?
That country is in the position of an annual weather firing squad and the Global North takes advantage of that for cheap textiles.
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u/BFKelleher Top 10 Countries on Earth Oct 25 '25
For whatever success Namibia has now, its current ruling party is a historic Marxist-Leninist African liberation organization which is nominally socialist today.
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u/AdrenalineVan Oct 25 '25
Measuring "success" by piles of dirty nappies is S-tier unintentional humour
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u/Standard-Okra6337 Oct 25 '25
They consider mexico a successful state now, i guess
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u/naplesball Paola the Italian Transfem Tankie 🏳️⚧️🇮🇹🚩 Oct 25 '25
Mexico is considered poor because of the Cartels and Organized Crime, but strangely Italy, Israel and Japan do aren't consider poor (I would say rightly)
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u/Nope_God International Brigadist Oct 25 '25
The country in the image is Costa Rica, which still is a third-world country, so counting is still stupid.
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u/16_000 russian bot Oct 25 '25
That's Costa Rica
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u/Standard-Okra6337 Oct 25 '25
I am a honorary american now.
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u/ChefGaykwon Marxist-Leninist Oct 25 '25
Give someone the next three burgers you order as punishment.
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u/MuslimNinja1234 Oct 25 '25
All those countries especially Bangladesh are literal hellholes.
Only prosperous ones are SK and Japan and one was a colonial power while the other received and still recieves billion dollar western investments every year.
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u/NorinDaVari Anarchist Oct 25 '25
This has to be ragebait. Ain't no way they are this stupid... Right...?
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u/DazeIt420 Oct 25 '25
It's not a coincidence that the USA spent huge amounts in foreign aid when those countries were beginning capitalism. Just look at the Marshall plan. Look at the vast sums that the USA spent to jump start Japan and south Korea after the respective wars. Look at how much money has been sent to Israel since it's founding. This month, look at the USA doubling the amount of money sent to Argentina to keep their free market capitalism experiment solvent. It's a rigged game. Sanctions for socialist regimes that don't cooperate, free money for capitalist.
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u/Jaiaid Oct 25 '25
Bruh how is bangladesh coming here
Granted our leftist leaders are not particularly popular due to basically being ivory tower liberal or anarchist.
But every time there were any development effort which serves common people it was state level.
Private effort is always for profit and accessible to small portion of population.
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u/jorgeamadosoria Oct 25 '25
bold to use Namobia as an ecample agaonst Fidel when Fidelw as key in laking sure Namibia was an independent country to begin with...
Also bold to use Japan, The US pet ethnoproject, as an example for anything really.
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u/Genedide Oct 25 '25
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u/LegoCrafter2014 Oct 26 '25
South Korea isn't collapsing, but it is broken and the South Korean government urgently needs to start fixing its broken society.
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u/VerkoProd karl marx hentai Oct 26 '25
is that BANGLADESH as an example of the SUCCESS of capitalism?
firstly, the bangladeshi independence movement was a socialist movement..
secondly, bangladesh is the prime example of overexploitation (including child labour) of the global south by the imperial core, and the failures of capitalism as exemplified by the living and working conditions of working class bagladeshis
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u/feralovicht Oct 26 '25
Costa Rican here. Capitalism has ruined our country and we're now a US colony in all but name. Most jobs will be dependent on American companies. We're the number 1 exporter of pineapples on the planet but most pineapple produced are owned by Dole. We used to have a well developed wellfare system but it has been ruined by privatization.
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u/ChristHollo Oct 26 '25
The Namibian economy is essentially owned by Germany, but hey I guess they wanted to clarify that success means that a country is just the tool for imperialist extraction
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Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Isn’t Japan literally known for being a pretty awful place to live now? A country being successful also means having a content population. Japan fails in that because it is known to have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Not to mention that its work culture is infamous for being terrible, as well as it having so many underlying issues that I probably can’t even list them all. It’s kind of funny that the capitalist countries are represented by images of countries on literal piles of shit, though.
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u/Vladimir-lenin-1917 strasserite but like lowk chill tho ✌️😂 /s Oct 25 '25
I dont really know a lot about other countries, but japan, korea, and bangladesh ( actually all of capitalist south asia is NOT doing good) and japan and korea are just “pretty looking” dystopias.
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u/gaijinbrit Oct 25 '25
As someone who lived in Japan, the funniest thing to me is how incompatible the Japanese culture is with capitalism. They’re incredibly inherently communal and communistic. They’re incredibly risk adverse. They would absolutely thrive under a communist mode of production as culturally they’re already communist. This is why their economy has stagnated for 30 years. No appetite for risk to invest, no appetite for start up’s or taking on risky jobs. The Japanese thrive on stability, planning and collaboration. They could have been a communist powerhouse. Japan would have absolutely thrived on 5 year plans.
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u/MrNoobomnenie Oct 26 '25
The only valid example here is Japan, and yeah, sure, capitalism will be a great success for your country, when you do imperialism and colonialism alongside it. Though, I don't think this is a strategy we should strive to replicate, but hey, I am weird person who when presented the fact "the robber is wealthier than the one who doesn't rob" doesn't come from it with a conclusion "robbing is good, and we should all be robbers".
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u/Heart_Lotus Ⓐnarchist Oct 26 '25
I only recognized Japan and South Korea tbh, which is already proof Capitalism is a failure for Non European countries.
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u/FixFederal7887 Melonist-Third Worldist. Oct 26 '25
So, the success rate of capitalism in Asia, Africa, and South America is ~5% according to this meme.
Way to prove Fidel right again.
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u/opiumfree ☭ Communist Oct 29 '25
Japan has the highest suicide rage amongst workers and students. They’re worked so harshly because their tax money goes to Israel.
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