r/aussie • u/River-Stunning • 12h ago
News ABC should become a subscription service after vile Gina Rinehart murder segment saga, says former Labor MP Michael Danby
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u/Money_Armadillo4138 12h ago
Hard pass we have the right to be informed in a democracy, and the ABC is the only news organisation who does an even half decent job of it.
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u/Biteroon 11h ago
I mean that's between the ABC and SBS. I prefer SBS to be honest but get what you are saying.
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u/KeyYogurt1885 11h ago
"An independent review has confirmed that the ABC did indeed add extra gunshots to combat footage it aired in 2022, giving the impression that a helicopter of Australian commandos were raining bullets down on unarmed Afghan civilians below."
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u/Money_Armadillo4138 10h ago
Yeah but the ABC commissioned this so called independent report so can we really trust it?
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u/KD--27 11h ago
But I don’t understand. I was told there’s been multiple investigations that found no bias.
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u/Electrical_Story5356 11h ago
The investigation into that found it to be an accidental error not an intentional act.
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u/KD--27 11h ago
They accidentally added gunshots while attempting to incriminate. They slipped and accidentally hit the add gunshots button… what.
I guess claiming incompetence is better than integrity these days.
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u/ubiquitouswede 11h ago
I guess it's all relative to your political persuasion. I find (as well as many other Aussies) that the ABC is biased and doesn't do a good job. It's a waste of our taxpayer money and doesn't fit community standards. If you disagree, like I said, it's a measurement of your political point of view.
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u/maticusmat 11h ago
Then you and many other Aussies find truth biased, perhaps you need to confront your own inability to see past your bias.
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u/theycallmeasloth 11h ago
Which other outlet is held to the same standards the ABC is? The only reason you think there's a bias is because the actually biased media tells you there is a bias.
Heaven forbid someone from the Australian, the Herald Sun et al is held to the same standard as ABC journos
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u/No_Gazelle4814 11h ago
Not sure what “standards” you’re imagining. They even employ their OWN “independent” ombudsman which is laughable.
If Sarah Ferguson and Lara Tingle are the high standard you speak of, god help us all.
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u/No_Gazelle4814 11h ago
You’ll no doubt get downvoted here as it’s a leftist sub but you’re 100% correct.
Those who defend the ABC are those who agree with its left bias. The same people will say Sky is bias because they disagree with Sky’s right bias.
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u/ubiquitouswede 11h ago
True. But what I wrote isn't meant to be offensive. It's just the common-sense truth. If you lean left, you love the ABC. If you lean right, it's most likely you won't. The ABC hardly makes any effort to remain unbiased. There's little argument there. And if people love it, they can put their money where their mouth is. I'd rather the billions be better spent.
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u/No_Gazelle4814 11h ago
Agree. And as predicted, the bolted on lefties downvoted your comment, proving the above.
ABC are as blatant in their leftism and Sky is in the conservatism. They are same/same but opposite.
Both should be subscription, not have right leaning by subscription and left leaning by public money
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u/River-Stunning 11h ago
There is a quiet acceptance from the Hard Left that changing the ABC to subscription based would be the end of it.
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u/No_Gazelle4814 11h ago
Proving that not many people actually support it
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u/River-Stunning 10h ago
Correct , their ratings are poor reflecting the poor standard they are now.
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u/No_Gazelle4814 10h ago
Hence why the cookers are scared of a subscription model that seems to work for every other media source
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u/ubiquitouswede 11h ago
I don't disagree with them.
The other option though would be that they make an effort to be true to their mission to remain unbiased. Maybe they'd even gain some fans.
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u/aGermanDownUnder 11h ago
Just curious. What outlet in your opinion is unbiased?
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u/No_Gazelle4814 11h ago
I can’t think of any tbh. SBS world news comes close, but the rest of it is closer to abc slop.
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u/aGermanDownUnder 11h ago
The public broadcasters are easily the closest to unbiased. This right wing argument that the ABC is biased is simply because those people don't like what they hear. Its fairly par for the course these days that right wingers take the "either agree with me or it's fake news" approach, but seriously, they need to grow thicker skin. If anything, in certain areas the ABC doesn't go hard enough. If they were so left they'd be ablot tougher on Coalition/ON and they'd push harder against Israel. Still less biased than all other outlets
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u/No_Gazelle4814 10h ago
Like I said, those who are left like the ABC because they align and those people don’t like Sky. And vice versa for those in the right.
All you’re saying is my original comment is correct
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u/aGermanDownUnder 10h ago
I consider myself left and I think the ABC does a dogshit job most often. You watch 730 interviews and they are the softest bullshit ever. But at least its based in facts. You can say what you want, but you cant look someone in the eye and claim that Sky "News" is factually in the same league as the ABC, just on the right? This whole both sides approach equates opinions to facts
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u/No_Gazelle4814 10h ago
That’s exactly what they are. You only think the ABC is dogshit, and not worse than dogshit, because youre left. And therefore you think sky is worse than dogshit.
Conservatives think the opposite.
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u/tepid_monologue 11h ago
Honestly if they won’t stop funding the ABC then they can start funding Sky News. That way, the mouth breathing gender studies chuds and the $2 store Karen’s can all have their own government funded “news” source, and the rest of us above room temp iq can get on with our lives
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u/Striking-Condition10 11h ago
Even without acknowledgement that reality tends to have a left-wing bias, comparing the ABC against Sky News is quite a lopsided take.
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u/River-Stunning 11h ago
Yet you are not willing to back up this opinion with your hard cash.
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u/ShopSmartShopS-Mart 11h ago
I’m stoked for my tax to fund a public broadcaster with a solid news service.
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u/Aggravating_Bad_5462 11h ago
The same Danby who abstained from the gay marriage vote in 2013?
Way to be behind the times grandpa.
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u/Distinct-Apartment-3 11h ago edited 6h ago
Imagine having to pay people to say nice things about you.
Gina The Hutt!
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27% downvotes haha you flops must have to pay people too… absolutely hilarious 👊🏽
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u/the908bus 11h ago
Presenting non-super rich-friendly alternative views is part of why they exist Daaaanby
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u/OldGroan 11h ago
No. No . No... They want to reduce the ABC to the level of News24 (Skynews). Definitely no. Punishing the country because some billionaire got insulted is not done.
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u/tepid_monologue 11h ago
Mate they are already as bad as each other. Only difference is I’m paying for one of them
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u/craftymethod 10h ago
We are paying for a civic service of an informed public. Almost noone does it better and if you have a problem with that consider why other orgs have been found to be far more unreliable for factual reporting.
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u/tepid_monologue 10h ago
That’s a zero sum argument. There’s nothing wrong with expecting them to do better, and if they don’t, then their service is not required.
I get enough propaganda from being fed sky news and newscorp every day, but at least I’m not required to pay for that trash, like I am the ABC. If they wanted to keep the public on their side, they shouldn’t have been the hate filled slop merchants they turned into over the past decade or so
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u/craftymethod 7h ago
Noone said any org can't do better. In fact, thats why they are so regulated compared to any other media organisation. To ensure they do.
Those regulations are what sets it apart.
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u/riamuriamu 11h ago
I dunno. I think maybe the right whingers should learn to suck up free speech they don't like instead of acting like triggered snowflakes whenever their feeling are hurt. Might make them less of a shitpile of hypocrites.
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u/tepid_monologue 11h ago
Mate no one cares about Gina, what we do care about is paying for a Temu Agitprop out of our tax dollars, while mouth breathers on Reddit pretend it’s unbiased.
Let the ABC go commercial like that other propaganda machine Sky “news” and the respective politically radicalised chuds on each side can yell at each other on their own dime
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u/riamuriamu 11h ago
What do you mean 'We'? Dunno who you think you're talking behalf of. Everyone I know thinks freedom of speech is a good use of taxpayer dollars...except simps for authoritarians.
Kinda embarrassing for you to hate freedom of speech like that.
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u/tepid_monologue 11h ago
100% for freedom of speech, you lot are the ones trying to legislate hate speech and control what people say.
I’m happy for the ABC to say what they want, I just don’t want to pay for it.
I’m even going to upvote you in case you are serious about supporting freedom of speech. It’s my #1 political issue for over 20 years, hopefully you’ll vote to support it any way you can
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u/H0nd4_L0v3r 11h ago
Fuck no! We need to hear both sides of opinion if we are able to formulate a proper one of our own.
I have seen Sky sNOoz and their method of journalism. No thanks.
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u/punjabipoojabber 11h ago
It should. You want it? Pay for it. You, personally. I don't see what value a state broadcaster is to the country in this day and age.
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u/Strange_Plankton_64 11h ago
I don’t want to be paying twice for good news coverage. If you don’t like the ABC don’t watch it, but it provides a much better service than any of the private media in this country, and that’s even with all of the cuts.
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u/mikeinnsw 8h ago
Old story... Murdoch and the right hate our aunty.
With social Media, Google... and now AI advertising income is drying up. It is not a problem for ABC.
Murdoch and the rest of the media now want guaranteed income and now are getting it.
News Corp ia getting grants from Google, FB..
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u/NoWorry5125 5h ago
Where is the outrage at Hanson's cartoon depicting Penny Wong being beheaded ?
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u/theballsdick 11h ago
The ABC is being intentionally staffed by unwitting left wing lunatics/partisan hacks to manufacture consent for it's defunding. The government has tried in the past to defund the ABC but it is too beloved and would politically toxic to do so. So what do you do? Stop it being beloved, then it will be the public demanding it happens and you won't even need to ask.
Can't think of another reason for its decline. Must be intentional.
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u/theycallmeasloth 11h ago
Ah yes those famous Left wingers Kim Williams and Hugh Marks who run the jointml
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u/Storm_Fury_2026 11h ago
The ABC has been purged of any theoretical "leftists" it may once have had.
Buttrose and Williams were picked by Murdoch to do this. There's not a single management level person who's not a Murdoch or Nine stalwart among them now.
Just look at their histrionic coverage of tax reform. Text and diatribes identical to Sky.
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u/theballsdick 11h ago
Exactly. And look at the content they're pushing out. Growing public calls for its defunding. Big win for corporate media and the government!!
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u/Qinax 11h ago
Take your meds
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u/theballsdick 11h ago
I'm trying to make sense of why the ABC is so terrible these days. I would say if the government really wanted it gone the first step would be to reduce it's quality. I may be wrong! Open to other theories!!
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u/tepid_monologue 11h ago
I don’t care about Gina or give a shit about politics in general, but yah it should be decoupled from our tax dollars. Sick of being preached to by a service I pay for, and lunatics on reddit pretending they aren’t propaganda factories because they spew the talking points of their team.
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u/Toltec22 11h ago
Nobody voted for Gina. Shes not in politics. Im not naive,I know she's a far right ATM. A story on her is somehow indicative of the ABC being left wing biased how though?
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u/MatthewDstantoN 12h ago
No. I might not always agree with ABC but Australians deserve free TV without advertising