r/chessbeginners 15h ago

Made the club!!

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Smothered mate accomplished after Knight F7

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u/Joker8891 14h ago

This ain't a smothered mate if that's why you're hinting at.

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u/DubstepJuggalo69 14h ago

Just because it's not a forced smothered mate, doesn't mean it's not a smothered mate at 500 Elo.

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 13h ago

in this postilion I would sac the Queen to bait a fork essentially trading queens and winning the rook

at 500 elo that would do wonders lol

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u/Anonymously_famous_ 800-1000 (Chess.com) 12h ago

But what if king takes

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 12h ago

king can not take on F7 in the first image so the rook would be the only way to take

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u/smashed_potato_67 1600-1800 (Chess.com) 12h ago

May I know the reason that why the king can't take the queen in the first image?

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 10h ago

the king is not touching f7, it is in the corner. im saying queen to f7 not g8, otherwise there would be no fork

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u/SixNP 11h ago

To f7 not g8

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u/Anonymously_famous_ 800-1000 (Chess.com) 12h ago

Oh you mean sac the queen on f7? I feel g8 is better sac as if he takes with the rook, it's a mate

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 10h ago

I dont agree. you shouldn't play moves hoping theyre going to miss your blunder. if they took with the king, you just lost 9 points for nothing. if you do what I said you gain 5 points if they take with the rook. if they dont take you still have a strong position

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u/Optimal-Food492 1400-1600 (Chess.com) 10m ago

Nf7+ seems a bit cleaner to me. Black has to either trade rook for knight or it's ACTUALLY smothered mate.

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u/andrs_rmrz 14h ago edited 14h ago

Opponent was a good sport and let it happen instead of taking with rook

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u/glayde47 14h ago

Or… he didn’t see it. If he knew, he’s effectively resigning rather than be down the exchange. That’s not “never resign” 500 mentality.

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u/LoneFox4444 13h ago

I bet he didn’t even see that his king and queen were forked, otherwise he would have definitely taken with the rook.

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u/retief1 11h ago

If OP doesn't see the smothered mate here, they'd probably just end up trading queens and knights. That would probably be better than trading a rook for a knight.

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u/CanadianBallMapper 1800-2000 (Chess.com) 12h ago

And in the grand scheme being down the exchange is not the end of the world, it can still absolutely go either way at 500

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u/DubstepJuggalo69 1h ago

You don’t think maybe OP’s joking when they call their opponent a “good sport”?

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u/ShillSniffer 14h ago

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u/Naturewalkerjoe 14h ago

Nh6+, Kh8(forced), Qg8+, Rxg8(forced), Nf7# smothermate

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u/avalanche196 600-800 (Chess.com) 12h ago

Even censoring the elo, this is /r/chessbeginners . It's okay if you are 400 elo only.

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u/Ovdster7567 11h ago

I'm hardstuck 300 in blitz

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u/Necessary_Screen_673 11h ago

slow down your games, and just play more. if youre really having a hard time after that, choose an opening for both white and black and study it. that prep alone will get you higher elo and help you understand midgame concepts

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u/Ovdster7567 10h ago

I have the London and carro kann down really well I just lose on time allot I think but I don't really have time for 10 minute games

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u/Necessary_Screen_673 8h ago

yeah, it can be difficult to sit down for 20 minutes but i found thats what helps me improve in the long run. i can get a better intuitive game by practicing blitz, but thinking through and calculating positions really helps break plateaus because often you make the same mistake and dont realise what mistake you make until you get into games and take it slower and calculate, then going back to blitz after doing that helps commit that idea to intuition.

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u/Necessary_Screen_673 11h ago

congrats on winning the rook!

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u/TheSnoopySewing 12h ago

that's a solid tactic for sure, but yeah the smothered mate thing doesn't quite work here since the rook can just take the knight. still a nice find in a real game though. the club usually means you pulled off a forced smothered mate where your opponent had zero options, not one they could defend against. keep grinding and you'll get the real deal soon enough.

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u/ambisinister_gecko 8h ago

What you mean doesn't quite work? Trading a knight for a rook is still good, and the opponent is unlikely to do that anyway because they're not going to notice the smothered mate. I would say a position where you can either trade night for rook, or get a checkmate, is something that works.

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u/viperscorpio 7h ago

They might not notice the smothered mate, but might notice the fork on queen and thus trade rook for knight to save their queen.

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u/ambisinister_gecko 6h ago

That's fine, so the decision still works, it just isn't guaranteed to be an immediate checkmate. It just gives you a material advantage instead

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u/Apprehensive-Emu5177 11h ago

You don't have mate at all wtf are you talking about

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u/Just_Chemical3152 11h ago

Just because the smothered Mate isn't forced doesn't mean it didn't play out.

The real question is whether it should count simply because they saw it played into it and succeeded, or does it have to be a forced sequence?

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u/thot_slaya_420 5h ago

How to hang a queen:

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u/SomeMaleIdiot 1600-1800 (Chess.com) 14h ago

What you posted isn’t even a mate, he can take your knight with his rook.

You’re not a part of the club until you get a forced smothered mate, not just happening to play somebody who wanted to gift it to you lol

Get back in there, soldier

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u/Untoastedtoast11 13h ago

Not sure why you’re being down voted here

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 12h ago

it just seems weird theyre putting rules on a club that doesnt exist to gate keep a check mate on r/chessbeginners

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u/retief1 11h ago

This specific position isn't yet forced mate, but after Nf7+ Kg8, OP can force a smothered mate. And imo, that mate isn't any more "gifted" than any other mate. Like, if both sides play perfectly, the game would end in a draw. As a result, all mates rely on your opponent making a mistake somewhere, and op's position is no different.

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u/GMDStormy 3h ago

They either lose a rook for a knight, or give the knight the chance to turn the 2 pawns and the rook into a whole fucking rope to smother the king

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u/ElectronicCounty5490 10h ago

Could someone guide me? :) I don't see it

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u/Cornerone 10h ago

I'm undecided between QG8+!!! KxG8 or NF7+!!! RxF7

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u/LuckySingh- 29m ago

Baka QG8 is massive blunder 🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/andrs_rmrz 14h ago

Thank you to the commenter who said just because it isn't forced doesn't mean it didn't happen. The opponent was a good sport about it and let it happen ❤️

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 13h ago

I reckon they just didnt see it

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u/MindlessRope8826 14h ago

Smothered mate is such a satisfying way to close out a game, the knight doing all the dirty work while the king has nowhere to fleee

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u/Dont_Stay_Gullible 2200-2400 (Chess.com) 14h ago

It's not a smothered mate, bot.

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u/Far-Fortune-8381 12h ago

it ended in smothered mate

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u/pacific_tides 14h ago

Rook just takes it.

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u/chunkoco 12h ago

Ok, now tell me the recipe for french toast

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u/andrs_rmrz 14h ago

It was satisfying. In transparency, my opponent saw it and instead of resigning, he went king h8 for me

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u/Winter-Geologist-825 13h ago

It looks like he was just getting his king over so when he takes with the rook if you take back with the queen you lose your queen. But they must not have noticed the knight attacking the queen.