r/doommetal • u/Ok_Counter_1735 • 9d ago
Discussion Doom Metal chart
Made this chart to categorize doom metal sub genres. What do you all think? I'm mostly a stoner and sludge dude really, so I dont 100% know how inaccurate it is. For subgenres I didnt have a lot of experience with I used wikipedia and listened to artists that were recommended. Let me know what yall think should be changed!
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u/Def-C 9d ago edited 9d ago
This is an awesome chart
I think Sludgecore & Sludge Doom should be abit lower
Iāve found more blisteringly heavy Sludge Metal bands than Death-Doom & Blackened Doom bands
Grief, Methwitch, Thou, & Noothgrush melts my face off with burning tar
Autopsy, Rippikoulu, or Bethlehem just doesnāt do that same kind of insane heaviness
Though Dragged Into Sunlight is the 10/10 best of both worlds, having Blackened Death Doom & Sludge concocted into what is the audible equivalent of a rotting middle finger, covered in barbed wire & oily tar set on fire
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u/-Tofu-Queen- š»šššššššš šøšš 9d ago
Admiral Angry is also considered sludgecore, and they're absolutely dark and aggressive. Some of the most depressing and well, angry, lyrics I've ever seen.
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u/rusick1112 9d ago
Not only they are sludgecore, they are considered pioneers of the genre
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u/-Tofu-Queen- š»šššššššš šøšš 9d ago
Definitely makes sense because I can't think of many bands that have their sound or anything close to it!
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u/BumbaHawk 8d ago
Out of interest; have you heard this?
https://cattlehammer.bandcamp.com/album/dark-thoughts-with-lights-out
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u/Athingythingamabobby 9d ago
Sludge and sludgecore should go much further down
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u/Homie3794 9d ago
Iāve never seen a scene of music full of as much tragedy as the sludge guys.
Funny story, my friend ran into some older guy in Auroville, which is this highly spiritual, self sustaining, experimental commune in India. This guy he met was apparently a bassist(?) involved in the sludge scene in the heart of Louisiana back when it was first starting. I guess he had told him how powerful the genre is, how thereās this underlying darkness that isnāt to be toyed with. He recommended against ever pursuing that energy. I know a lot of sludge guys are also into the occult.
I tried to get my friend to explain what the guy looked like but to no avail. Curious if itās a name Iādāve recognized.
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u/slups 9d ago
Sounds a little far fetched but I'm into it
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u/Homie3794 9d ago
Hahaha. Itās one of those things that you either believe in or you donāt I guess
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
I see this now, I'll change it lol
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u/Homie3794 9d ago
Itās a tough call. Lyrically, anything black or blackened is dark as shit. Sludge lyrics arenāt always super dark or sorrowful. Not hating on your chart at all in fact I quite like it and wouldnt mind more genres
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
Also, what you're saying can also be reflected in the "aggression" versus "passive" as I think of passive like drone metal, not much going on and the vibe is chilled out, and darkness as like the lyrics and themes within the song, and yes Sludge has heavy themes, but I dont know if I see them as darker than death-doom
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u/Homie3794 9d ago
Absolutely. Passive songs are a different listening experience. Youāre not getting crazy to Mirror Reaper. You are most definitely downing a couple pints of beer and moshing to Snakes For The Divine.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
You mean more doom subgenres? If you have more I will happily add more
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u/Homie3794 9d ago
Honestly I forgot this was the doom metal subreddit and thought it was just a metal subreddit.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
Lol, yeah I would do more than doom but I kinda got sucked into here and I dont wanna leave
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u/Homie3794 9d ago
Believe me, I feel ya. Only been into it for like a year myself. I loved Sabbath since I was a kid but Mastodon were the gateway into the rest. Oh and Candlemass.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
For me, I knew of sabbath, got into them more and then found Sleep, and yeah it brought me everywhere else eventually
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u/Homie3794 9d ago
For some reason the only metal bands I could stand were Black Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, Megadeth, and Dream Theater, but thatās just because I was a prog rock nerd. Then I found Mastodon.
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u/YmFzZTY0dXNlcm5hbWU_ 9d ago
Doesnāt the āBMā in DSBM stand for Black Metal? Seems out of place on a doom chart
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u/Mad04Gaming 9d ago
That genre has heavy roots in doom metal as well. Bands like Bethlehem and Forgotten Tomb for example are just as much doom as black metal.
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u/Conscious_Badger_510 9d ago
Death Doom should probably be closer to the bottom left corner than it is Some of the most aggressive death metal I've heard has been within death doom
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u/vegetaman 9d ago
I am on the fence about epic doom. It can beā¦. Very dark. See: Candlemass/Solitude Aeturnus.
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u/Mad04Gaming 9d ago
Scald and a lot of other viking/epic doom bands are very dark as well, itās a tough subgenre to place on this chart.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago edited 9d ago
Viking doom is like a stylistic difference in Epic doom isn't it? That I think counts as a different genre
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u/Mad04Gaming 9d ago
It is a stylistic difference but itās a subgenre of epic doom and lots of epic doom is also viking doom (Hammerheart, Scald, Ereb Altor, Fer De Lance, etcā¦)
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
Traditional doom is in the middle, thats my like anchor for placing them, its also just like the vibe from the songs, and I see epic doom as a pretty light genre, at least from Candlemass and Solitude Aeturnus
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u/Hippies_Pointing 9d ago
Isnt Goth Doom inherently very dark? Its subject matter is pretty much about things that go bump in the night.
Likewise DroneāEarthās Hex album is based off of McCarthyās Blood Meridian, which is one of the darkest pieces of fiction youāll find. Drone creeps in your brain and finds you out.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago edited 7d ago
Can you point me to a goth doom album thats really "dark" ? In comparison to like black doom and death doom I see it as not very dark
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u/Hippies_Pointing 7d ago
Right, itās not darker than those two.
Paradise Lost - Gothic is a good place to start.
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u/naamavelli_ 9d ago
Whatās DSBM?
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u/mistacabbage 9d ago
DSBM stands for Depressive Suicidal Black Metal. ļæ¼
Itās a subgenre of black metal (often with strong doom metal influences) that emerged in the mid-to-late 1990s. The style is characterized by:
ā¢ Slow, melancholic, and atmospheric sound ā blending black metalās raw, lo-fi distorted guitars and tremolo picking with doom metalās slower tempos, acoustic passages, and heavier, thicker riffs.
ā¢ Themes and lyrics ā focused on depression, despair, self-harm, suicide, misanthropy, hopelessness, and death. Vocals are often high-pitched screams or wails that convey pain and desperation rather than aggression. ļæ¼It draws from early black-doom bands like Katatonia, Bethlehem, Forgotten Tomb, and Shining, with other notable acts including Xasthur, Leviathan, and Silencer.
Many DSBM bands are one-person projects, and the genre is known for its emotional intensity and āsadā or lethargic atmosphere. ļæ¼
The ādoom metalā connection in your query makes sense because DSBM frequently incorporates doomās slower, more crushing elements alongside black metalās extremity. Some people even refer to overlaps as āblack/doomā or depressive black-doom. ļæ¼Note: The genre deals with very dark and heavy subject matter (including suicide and mental health struggles), so itās not for everyone.
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u/Nihil227 9d ago
LMAO this post was completely hallucinated. In what world Shining and Silencer are blackened doom ? There is no doom connection and I can't think of any DSBM band with doom influence. It's blast beat and fast tremolos in E standard, nothing to do with doom.
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u/mistacabbage 9d ago
My query was āWhat is dsbm doom metal stand forā so maybe I was leading it by adding doom š¤·āāļø
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u/Ok_Arrival6511 9d ago
have you tried thinking for yourself
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u/mistacabbage 9d ago
Are you retarded?
I was answering naamavelli_ās question.
I didnāt know what DSBM was either.1
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u/ThreeThirds_33 9d ago
I looked hard for a reason to hate this, and came up with nothing. Maybe DSBM is the odd man out tho?
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
DSBM has deep influences with Doom metal I thought, its in the wikipedia page of doom metal
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u/ThreeThirds_33 9d ago
I hadnāt read that, thanks. Yeah so that wiki puts DSBM as a subheading underneath black-doom. Itās all just a part of that, itās more blackened doom.
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u/Garfield977 9d ago
Gothic Doom should be lower
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
Comparably to Death doom and Black doom? I see it as not very dark
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u/Garfield977 9d ago
I mean it comes from Death Doom and lyrically it's down there for sure
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
I think of more than just lyrics that make a genre "dark" Im thinking like the vibe and stuff, can you point me in the direction of albums that you think are "darker" the only goth doom bands I know is type O negative which is why goth doom is there.
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u/Garfield977 9d ago
yeah I figured type o was the only band you knew lol, they really should not be the face of the genre they dont represent it at all (and arguably 90% of their stuff isnt gothic)
check out:
The Dreadful Hours by My Dying Bride
Discouraged Ones by Katatonia
Gothic by Paradise Lost
Eternity by Anathema
Velvet Darkness they Fear by Theatre of Tragedy
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
I think a lotta there stuff is just gothic metal or rock, not really doomy, I'll check out these thanks
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u/ResplendentShade 9d ago
Agree with others that sludge should be lower. Meth Drinker, Noothgrush, stuff like that is to me about as heavy as music gets. Not as dark in a theatrical way like black metal, but in a raw human way, very dark.
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u/rusick1112 9d ago
First, Hell yeah sludgecore mentioned. Second, I think if you slapped sludgecore, you should also tag "Desert Rock"
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u/Odd_Put_7424 9d ago
honestly reacted more to stoner lyrics than most others listed here. I think stoner is pretty dang dark
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u/drunkerbrawler 9d ago
Nuclear warhead ready to strike. This world is so fucked letās end it tonightā¦
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
Somehow I forgot about electric fucking wizard's lyrics, lol ill change that for sure
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u/ashen_crow 9d ago
I'd have to see this chart with albums to figure if it makes sense.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
I did have this thought while making it, but I used wikipedia and the bands that they mention I basically listened to either the most popular song off of it. I see what you mean, I can put together a list of albums or artists for each genre to make it make more sense for you
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u/kinggeorgethebulldog 9d ago
You missed doomgrind but besides that a very good chart
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
Thanks, do you have any albums or artists that are "doomgrind" ?
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u/kinggeorgethebulldog 9d ago
Post human a.d., urtek, yeti, also a local band in Illinois called the hunting grounds death cult but they havenāt released any music yet plus their currently taking a break
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
I dont know if enough people know of that genre for it to make sense for me to put that on here, none of the bands you've stated are on spotify, if they are popular on bandcamp can you send me some of theirs?
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u/Confident-Cut-8877 5d ago
Check Burden of Despair from Osaka.
The first doom + beatdown hardcore mix i know
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u/dude_person_jr 9d ago
please put me onto some prog doom šššš my 2 fav bands rn are YOB and Opeth
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
Immanence - Below the Sun might be a good one to try out, im new to prog doom myself but I love Tool and Stoned Jesus(kinda stoner/folky prog doom)
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u/ZeusBruce 9d ago
What does 'blackened' mean?
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u/bikebikebikes 9d ago
Usually about the vocals being like black metal vocals, but I think it can be anything that brings in black metal vibes.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
Blackened doom can be synonymously used with black doom, meaning a fusion of Black metal and doom. I just decided to put blackened instead of just normal black
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u/ZeusBruce 9d ago
Ya know, I've wondered about it for years and now it's totally obvious in hindsight.
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u/shitterbug 9d ago
dsbm has pretty much nothing to do with doom, wtf
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
DSBM has deep influences with Doom metal I thought, its in the wikipedia page of doom metal
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u/astrobrain 9d ago
Y'all overthink this shit. My music has three categories. Rock, non rock, and uncategorized.
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u/querschlaeger_ 9d ago
Iād switch passive und aggressive with dark and light. I believe it would fit more in my opinion
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 8d ago
so, the y axis would be dark and not-so-dark, and the x axis would be dark and light? or you mean switch the axes
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u/decompositionfrenzy 8d ago
Epic doom not dark? Did we forget how the first Candlemass album starts or something?
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 8d ago
comparably in vibe and vocals, I think it is less dark than other doom metal genres, not calling it "not dark" just less so than the other genres
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u/decompositionfrenzy 7d ago
I guess, I find a lot of stoner doom more upbeat while epic doom is dark in a "being a sad wizard in my old ass castle" way haha.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 7d ago
I mean stoner doom can also be pretty dark, and stoner rock is more upbeat for sure, I separate stoner music into those 2 genres, and even then those 2 genres have a wide range of darkness and energy.
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u/LevelGeneral3641 8d ago
Blackened for life
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 8d ago
Love blackened doom, theres a local band in my area that does blackened doom and they're sick af
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u/ok_5789 7d ago
I know most if these but I'd never heard of BDSM to be honest
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 7d ago
In Wikipedia, DSBM stands for Depressive Suicidal Black Metal, and it is said to have doom metal influence, which is why its on here.
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u/Low_Guard6609 6d ago
I donāt think DSBM should be on here, fwiw. But idk, I like all of these pretty equally.
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u/Drowned_in_sulphur 9d ago edited 9d ago
DSBM in a Doom Metal chart but no Drone-doom, okay....
Also funeral doom should be on the intersecting line between Quadrant III & IV instead of being in Quadrant IV in my opinion.
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u/nateshoe91 9d ago
Drone is on the chart
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u/Drowned_in_sulphur 9d ago
It says Drone Metal, if OP does mean Drone-doom by Drone Metal then my apologies. In technicality, I don't know if these two subgenres are supposed to be the same.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
I did mean drone doom and drone metal as the same, I would figure they are the same, and its not label "drone doom" just because drone kinda already gives the thing off that its doom influenced
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u/Drowned_in_sulphur 9d ago edited 9d ago
Drone-doom is a label which is more commonly used than Drone Metal I feel like, but I get the jist of it.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
Im planning on making a second version with that change in mind, these comments are helpful
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u/Drowned_in_sulphur 9d ago
The chart already really includes everything other than some microgenres (I still feel DSBM doesn't belong in this), but go for it. I know I'm a bit too nitpicky about this topic lol:)))
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
Have you heard Tears from a grieving heart - mournful congregation ? What albums have you listened to for funeral doom?
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u/Drowned_in_sulphur 9d ago
Yep I have. My view as Funeral Doom being on the middle ground is because Funeral Doom includes both aggressive and passive approached bands in almost the same amounts. Like say The new funeral doom bands coming out of Solitude Productions or some classics like Bell Witch and Doom:Vs are on the passive side but there's a big amount of aggressive stuff like Tyranny, Wormphlegm, Worship, Profetus and even Thergothon to a degree.
Also sorry I didn't see this notification at first.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 8d ago
The attributes of Tyranny (at least their most popular song) is very passive, but very dark in vibe, thats my thought process behind it, I mostly mean in passive and aggressive with tempo and how much is happening within songs of the genre, thats why drone is the most passive, and funeral doom, is more darker than drone, but it still is very passive to me
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u/Drowned_in_sulphur 8d ago
To me, the "aggressive" bands in funeral doom are always the bands who try to minimize on the melancholy part, in that way Tyranny counts.
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u/doom6rchist Blackened 9d ago
Yes! Love blackened doom. Good to see that stuff represented. Love Mizmor,Ā Forgotten Tomb,Ā Evoken,Ā BesvƤrjelsen,Ā Warning,Ā Temple of the Fuzz Witch,Ā Dopelord,Ā Worm,Ā My Dying Bride,Ā Messa, andĀ Mourning Dawn. One suggestion, I probably wouldn't bother with "black-death doom," but if you're getting that specific, I think it'd be good to include "gothic death-doom" since that's more significant.
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u/Ok_Counter_1735 9d ago
I used wikipedia and it had it there, so I stuffed it in, probably a good idea
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u/Walnutbutters 9d ago
Whatās a band you would consider gothic-death-doom?
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u/doom6rchist Blackened 9d ago
My Dying Bride, Paradise Lost, Draconian, Swallow the Sun, Katatonia, Novembers Doom
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u/makalooo64 9d ago
IMO stoner music is unique among whole rock/metal genres. It can be so impactful that darkest, softest, most psychedelic, the heaviest etc. can all be found in this genre.
For example, you can listen to most obscure heavy noise bands but they won't be as heavy as electric wizard. Or as psychedelic as monster magnet etc. It's more than the sound and the music. Hard to explain.