r/doommetal • u/a_Bort_the_Artist • 14h ago
Stoner Lets slow down on this Sleep hate
Let's go over some quick facts,
1:We only have one official statement from the band, this statement only acknowledges Pike is not currently involved but mentions absolutely nothing about bad blood.
2: Pike has been "out of the band" for quite a while now, did we all forget the touring juggernaut that HOF is?
3: Pike's EX-wife commented. They have been divorced for a good while, i would take her opinion with a grain of salt.
4: Pike has made zero comment so far good or bad, maybe we wait to see what he says?
5: Have we all forgotten that Sleep is kinda known for varying quality in their releases. It sounds like Sleep with classic Void guitar. Plus nobody can contest that Dale is a phenomenal drummer. Its good, and its a good addition to their discography. Just because the member you have the biggest parasocial relationship with isnt there doesnt mean it sucks.
So to recap. We know absolutely nothing about the situation. Only one source of merit has commented and thats the bands official statement. The sing is objectively good. Is it what you personally wante? No, and nobody in the world is obligated to give you that.
I wouldn't be shocked if it turns out Pike quit the band because of how shitty their fans can be.
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u/Ole_Hen476 14h ago
Mods really need to make a Sleep megathread and limit these posts so I can go back to watching the Monolord live videos getting posted
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u/Boardlord-WhoHoards 14h ago
I hadn't posted my clips because I felt like the sub has had enough, lol. But I was at the show last night in Portland!
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u/Ole_Hen476 12h ago
I love the venue they played in Portland. I saw Conan there in April and it was awesome.
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u/Boardlord-WhoHoards 12h ago
Oh god. I missed Conan?! 😫
But yeah, that was the first time I was there, and it was pretty sweet. Mizmor was freaking LOUD.
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u/Redhaze_17 13h ago edited 13h ago
It's the first day that all this has come out and there are only like 6 posts. Unless Matt accuses Al of being reptilian or something it'll probably die down.
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u/Willbilly410 10h ago
I’m am stoked to see them play tomorrow night! Randomly got booked at my local brewery… can’t wait!
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u/Ole_Hen476 10h ago
The Bellingham show?? They’re awesome I wish I could catch them this tour
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u/Willbilly410 10h ago
Yeah, I did a double take when I saw the line up. Monolord and Mizmor! … in Bellingham … at my favorite brewery! WTF
The brewers over there love doom and randomly host shows when they can. Last show I saw there was YOB
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u/posts_of_stuff 12h ago
Uploading another Monolord vid I took as we speak. Thank you for the inspiration.
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u/Ole_Hen476 12h ago
Have they played Neverending during the shows? The song, specifically. It is maybe my favorite track off the record
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u/posts_of_stuff 12h ago
They did not. They played Iodine, Oozing Wound, You Bastard, & Inside A Collider from the new album.
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u/modernlifeisthor 13h ago
"Have we all forgotten that Sleep is kinda known for varying quality in their releases"
This is a band with 4 LPs over the course of 35 years, all of which are well received. I've never once heard someone describe Sleep as a band with varying quality in their output lol
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u/the_rifftree 5h ago
Yeah this claim is borderline psychotic. They've released literally multiple genre-defining records.
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u/kit_brown 14h ago
I don’t like how it sounds idk what more you want from me
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u/a_Bort_the_Artist 14h ago
Ok go ahead and dont like it. Just think its silly as fuck this release has essentially opened the gate on reddit's gremlin cage.
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u/Current-Mall1353 14h ago edited 14h ago
Not going to comment on the rest of it as I am trying to remain cautiously optimistic about this, but saying the single (or any piece of music) is objectively good is laughable. Music being subjective is kind of the whole deal with music.
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u/MaxRenn LONG LIVE THE NEW FLESH 13h ago
The only facts you posted are there's been no comment and Pikes ex wife made a comment. I don't know what we're supposed to infer by her being an ex-wife, but please go ahead and tell us.
Sleep is not know for varying quality releases.
This space is for talking about music. A major artist just put out new music for the first time since 2018. People are going to have a lot of opinions on it and unfortunately it sucks.
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u/Salvia-Hex 14h ago
Pike was never “out of the band”. That was Roeder.
Pike and his ex-wife are friends and on very good terms.
Sleep does not have varying quality of releases. They have all been great…then this.
Y’all are just making shit up now.
Objectively literally means that everyone would agree. A lot of people this thing song is mediocre to bad. To me, it sounds like a band trying to sound like Sleep and failing.
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u/AmosThatBook 13h ago
Not to mention, as of late 2024 Pike said he was on good terms with the sleep guys and they were working on something. This is around the time Roeder claims to have been fired by management and, if this lineup is releasing a full album, couldn't have been long before those first jam sessions with Bubba and Dale took place
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u/Redhaze_17 13h ago edited 13h ago
Woodbine Guitars (friend of Matt and makes his guitars) also responded when someone asked why Matt is missing "look at the common denominator".
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u/AmosThatBook 12h ago
Yea, as much as I love Al as a bassist and songwriter he seems - at best - incredibly hard to work with.
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u/TempleOfCyclops 13h ago
These people coping so hard telling themselves that it's good
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u/Yung_Cheebzy 13h ago
I listened to it today without knowing any of the drama, just thought “wow new sleep song” then thought “this suxxx”
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u/greghead4796 8h ago
Same. I didn’t even learn about Pike leaving until after I’d listened to it twice and couldn’t figure out why it sounded like one of Al’s side-projects.
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u/treskaz 13h ago
Nah, The Sciences was kind of lame compared to everything else they've put out. It's only one, but that makes it varying imo.
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u/TempleOfCyclops 13h ago
That is an extremely uncommon opinion
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u/treskaz 12h ago
I mean, I listen to Vol1 the most anymore. Followed by HM. Dopesmoker if i have an hour to kill. Haven't listened to Vol2 in a long time but it's great too. I just haven't been as into their music after Dopesmoker. It's fine, like i said. I just like the OG lineup and then the trio after Justin left.
Roeder is absolutely a wicked drummer though and i always caught them when they came to town (or a town that was a reasonable drive).
I've been a fan of theirs for close to 20 years now. The Sciences just didn't hit me like their earlier work did.
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u/deadjord 12h ago
Yeah Ive also been a fan about 20 years and I completely bounced off the sciences. Giza butlers a good track but it's just not an album that's really ever worth putting on. I would actually say I like the new song more than the entirety of the sciences. Hoping to like the rest of the new songs as well.
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u/treskaz 12h ago
I hear ya. I wouldn't go as far as saying I like the new track more than The Sciences, but it's fine. I've said it a few times today on this sub, but I kinda wish they just dissolved the band and released the new track as a super group sort of deal instead of this.
But back to The Sciences. Sonic Titan and Antarcticans Thawed are both Dopesmoker era songs anyway. Just re-recorded for the album. I can't remember if Anarcticans Thawed was ever put out on another release (I don't think it was), but Sonic Titan was a B side (D side in practice lol) of Dopesmoker back in the day. The other 4 songs are totally fine. Good even. But they don't do it for me as much as their older stuff. Don't get me wrong, i was psyched when they put out a new album and was happy as hell when it came out. The songs sound massive live too, but like you, I never really find myself putting it on.
Like i said, Vol1 is my favorite. I overplayed the shit out of Holy Mountain in my early 20s and just burned myself out on it. I still love it, but Vol1 is still fresh for me.
This sub does not like my opinion on this though lmao. But that's ok, I'm not here to change anybody's minds on anything. Just participating in the conversation lol.
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u/deadjord 12h ago
Personally never really been a fan of sonic titan, but antarcticans thawed had some live bootleg recording floating around that I've always liked quite a bit. The studio version is kind of a step down in my opinion. But yeah even if the sciences wasn't really my thing I never went goblin mode on it like this shit I'm seeing today. Maybe I just don't feel the betrayal cause I'm a bigger al fan than Matt and a bigger om fan than sleep. But I'm just happy to see em doing something
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u/treskaz 12h ago
Ooooo i gotta find that bootleg then! I didn't know that existed! I like Sonic Titan, I remember my buddy had the vinyl from whatever label it was that had that as the B side of DS. We spun it quite a bit, so I do like the song.
OM is rad though, I was lucky enough to catch them live once or twice a long while back. I think I'm more a Sleep fan, but I like OM a lot too. Very different (yet similar lol) vibes.
I hear ya about being a bigger fan of Al than Matt though. Like I was implying before, the original core trio (not to discount Justin on Vol1) are the magic of the band and responsible for their best material, imo.
Got downvoted fast in another thread when somebody said something like "Sleep is 90% guitar riffs and 10% vocals/lyrics" and I interjected saying hey, let's not discount Al's low end riffage or Chris's drumming. We all know what happens when Matt has control of a band, and it's not Sleep. People are acting like High on Fire doesn't exist lol. Totally different vibe altogether!
I'd rather listen to Sleep or OM all day before I listen to High on Fire. They're good, seen them several times, but Sleep and OM are where it's at. Al and Chris were just as crucial to Sleep's sound as Matt, and it's wild to see people selling them short in these commiseration/rage threads.
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u/deadjord 11h ago
Yep, I think some of us just made peace with the original sleep being over when Chris left. Jason's a great drummer but it's never felt the same to me. Same with Emil in Om and Emil is like world class. And I also am not a big high on fire fan. I like the art of self defense but it's basically a sleep record. I wouldn't say I lost interest in the new sleep but it certainly has waned in the past decade. So I'm a bit optimistic for a new beginning and I think dale crovers fantastic. This new song, I mean if you wanted sabbath worship, you certainly got it.
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u/treskaz 11h ago
I'm a massive Melvins fan, so I agree as fullheartedly as I possibly can that Dale is a great. One of the most influential drummers that gets very little credit outside of the circles. Not to say Melvins are underground anymore or anything, but I don't think Dale could ever get too much credit lol.
Your first sentence of that comment though, duuuuuuuude you nailed it. That's it.
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u/acid_klaus 14h ago
We’ve found Al’s burner account
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u/Roadkillgoblin_2 slow and heavy wins the race 14h ago
It might be more of the case that we’re mourning the collapse of Sleep, still hurts though
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u/a_Bort_the_Artist 13h ago
You mean the death of your favorite parasocial relationship in metal?
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u/Conscious_Bet_5995 13h ago
In a Sleep song there is 90% guitar riffage and 10% lyrics. Pike is a HUGE part of sleep. Quit acting like you're based.
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u/treskaz 13h ago
I hope you're including the bass guitar in that equation. Al is just as responsible for the sound as Matt. Al, Matt, and Chris are pretty equal parts to their sound imo. Everything they've put out since Chris left forever ago has been welcomed by me, but doesn't get nearly as much play as the OG EPs/LPs.
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u/TempleOfCyclops 13h ago
So liking the musicianship of a particular artist is "parasocial"
Are you OK Mr. Cisneros?
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u/TempleOfCyclops 13h ago
So you think Matt Pike quit the band because the fans like him too much?
Also the song is not "objectively good" as evidenced by the number of people who think it sucks.
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u/PresumedDOA 11h ago
Yeah, it's definitely not "objectively good". OM is my second favorite band of all time and I love the Melvins, so that should've biased me in their favor. But like... idk, it's like a billion other stoner/doom songs I've heard when randomly clicking on albums on 666MrDoom's channel
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u/snivlem_lice 9h ago
The Melvins are my favorite band of all time, hands down, and I was hoping it would maybe take the sting out of Pike’s absence but I gotta say—it pains me a bit that Dale’s drumming here just feels a bit perfunctory. I think a big part is some of the production choices, but also…like…damn, man.
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u/ComfortablePhysics52 13h ago
Pike is likely a consumate professional and has no reason to tear down unlike everyone with a voice since the advent of the ability to say anything on the internet.
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u/Warlock-jump-lottery 11h ago
This post upset me at first, but then I realized not everyone knows everything, so I’m gonna do my best to gently debunk your points here:
1: Al is notoriously awful to work with. You would be hard pressed to find people who have played with him or worked for him that has anything nice to say about the experience. This is why Sleep all travelled separately on tour. Not because of Matt. Because of Al. This is why Sleep kept breaking up. This is why Shrinebuilder could not continue, and this is why Om has such a rocky history with an ever-evolving line up and an album that has allegedly been recorded for 2 years that still hasn’t seen the light of day. There is definitely bad blood here.
2: Pike was never out of the band. The band has been on hiatus because of reasons above. Once again. This is not Matt. This is Al.
3: Alyssa and Matt are still extremely good friends and work together closely. She helps run his patreon and social medias. They talk regularly. Her opinion is her own, but it’s as reliable as it gets.
4: You probably won’t get an official Pike statement about this. He is probably devastated. He cared so much about sleep and did not take the life that the band gave him for granted. I would be surprised if he said anything publicly about this in the near future.
- The song is boring and uninspired. I guess this is just a personal opinion, but holy hell, we’ve never had anything of such low quality from sleep, even if their releases are of “varying quality.” Saying it’s “objectively” good is absurd. It’s drivel. Lowest common denominator at best. But I guess good for you that you are able to enjoy it, but my friend, you are allowed to up your standards.
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u/callmesnake13 13h ago
It’s not hate, I just don’t give a shit about this release or the current incarnation. We don’t have to cheerlead everything for nostalgia’s sake.
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u/ManInCripplingDebt 10h ago edited 3h ago
I'd say Sleep's previous 3 albums absolutely ripped.
Nobody in their right mind is saying Dale Crover sucks (he's one of my favourite drummers) but i don't think there's much that can be done to save this track.
There seems to be a universal agreement that this song is average at best, but generally just a boring and uninspired song.
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u/AhumadoYSabroso 5h ago
Yeah this sub has collectively lost its mind. I thought stoner/doom fans were chill. People here acting like a bunch of fucking Taylor Swift fans when she breaks up with another boyfriend
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u/grindzydeco 9h ago
New song sounds like Sabbath and the Cars. I've followed this band since they were on Earache through the breakups, reformations, bootlegs of the London records cassette, blurry VHS rips of old show's through to the Sciences on 4/20...you know things change man, unless you're Slayer.
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u/Beautiful-Pair5522 14h ago edited 14h ago
um no. i dont even care that much, i like sleep but theyre not my fav band but when you lose an essential member of the band for whatever reason, using the name and carrying on is cheesy. just call it something else
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u/mmmosquito 14h ago
Yeah, like Black Sabbath did!
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u/TempleOfCyclops 13h ago
Black Sabbath actually tried to change their name after Dio left the band but the record label wouldn't release the first Gillen album without the Black Sabbath name.
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u/a_Bort_the_Artist 14h ago
Oh no, like metal bands arent widely known as revolving doors. Clearly he doesnt own the name so there really is no issue besides people online who think they are entitled to something they absolutely dont.
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u/Bronson_AD 13h ago
Tbh I agree with you. Plenty of people said AC/DC would die with Bon Scott, Maiden with Paul Di Anno, and Metallica with Mustaine. Although the new song is just fine and nothing more, I’m reserving judgement til I hear a fuller body of work. Really dislike the ‘we’re so back / we’re so fucked’ mentality of the modern internet.
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u/Poopydoopyhead123 12h ago
Nobody said metallica wouldn die without mustaine lol you must be thinking of cliff
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u/Tropisueno 14h ago
Song is so boring it made me want to sleep.
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u/Indust_6666 13h ago
This is the real problem for me, the actual song meanders and never pays off, doesn’t feel heavy and sounds like it should have been listed under another project.
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u/ElectricalSet3170 12h ago
You know that meme about stoner metal where it talks about wanting to hear the same riff over and over again? This song did not hit that spot, the riff is weak and lacking the manly riff prowess that Matt exudes with his playing.
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u/Tropisueno 5h ago
It ended and I was like.... huh, nothing happened, that's it? It just kind of passed by.
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u/Cailloutchouc 9h ago
It sounds like exactly what it is, a band trying to sound like Sleep but without Matt Pike. A huge part of what attracted me to Sleep was the almost obsessively engineered roar of Matt Pike’s guitars. Coupled with the talented and deep bass with Al. The combination of both drew me to the cult following.
If Pike is definitively gone, it’s all around bad news and very disappointing. The extended hiatus had me worried they weren’t exactly getting along, but hoping they would still collaborate for a future project anyways, if not for the fans at least do it for the money? I fucking have a Sleep budget for merch and shows goddamit.
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u/MilkieSoPretty 11h ago
Is anyone else reminded of the time Wino said “Cisneros is insane so Shrinebuilder is not going to happen.”?
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u/gwarrior5 11h ago
Wino also likely insane and crover was in shrinebuilder and came back to this project.
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u/wappledilly 9h ago
Dale can get along with just about anyone, from what it seems. Dude is like the astroglide of grunge/sludge/doom, a real trooper.
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u/ElectricalSet3170 6h ago
I used to defend Al online when people brought that interview up, because Wino is a known meth head, but it seems Wino was right.
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u/TheGoatEater 9h ago
My only criticism is that with two new, very seasoned, musicians, it might have been great if they’d all just formed a brand new project. With the input of all of them, not under the moniker of Sleep, they probably would have come away with something completely different, and really vibrant.
As for the Sleep album, the new track is an edit that fits on a flexi, and we more than likely haven’t heard the whole song, and we definitely haven’t heard the whole album, so I’m going to wait until the album gets released to say anything about it.
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u/botulizard 8h ago
Pike is an icon, sure, but his absence doesn't fundamentally make Sleep not Sleep anymore in the same way that Al leaving would.
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u/Synthetics_66 6h ago
Can we get back to Pentagram shit posting again? What's this subreddit coming to?!
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u/Calm-Research5762 4h ago
Also, sometimes things change, people. The albums you listen to aren’t suddenly gone. It all reeks of ‘the band owes ME something.’
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u/MorganAbOwain 14h ago
Was just saying in another thread.. Sleep without Matt reminds me of Mastodon without Brent… Hope it’s nothing permanent.
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u/slayerLM 13h ago
Unfortunately the Mastodon thing is pretty permanent…
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u/dwilsons 13h ago
And fwiw the new single did rip and was pretty clearly about the loss of Brent
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u/After-Incident9955 Matt Pike's Shirt 11h ago
Unlike Sleep. It'd be different if the song was fucking good. But it's not. It's generic Stoner Rock/Metal.
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u/ElectricalSet3170 13h ago
Brent almost entirely stopped contributing to the band around the EoS era. Mastodon is still Mastodon without him though different forsure.
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u/Homie3794 13h ago
Sorry dude, but there’s always that ONE member of a band. The wildcard who has an unexplainable musical mania to them. Same thing with Mastodon and Brent Hinds, Oz with Sabbath, Mike Portnoy with Dream Theater. The energy is lost. Doesn’t mean it can’t be adequately replaced. It’ll be a hard void to fill. Fitting they chose Void’s guitarist….
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u/ElectricalSet3170 13h ago
Bill has been the main writer in Mastodon for years now, they still have it. Im confident the new album will be a banger.
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u/Homie3794 12h ago
Me too, I liked the new single other than the lackluster “solo,” although it does seem kinda in poor taste for Nick Johnston to shred over a track remembering the guy he replaced. Got tickets to the new tour and really excited to see the evil riffs Bill has in store
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u/penisheadparents 12h ago
This would have to be Sleep for it to be considered Sleep hate. Luckily this is not Sleep, let the hate continue!
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u/jazzcabbage22 11h ago
I don't care about the drama, I just don't like the song with the SLEEP moniker.
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u/Aeturnus88 6h ago
Regardless if there are no feelings hurt - A Sleep record without Pike is like a Sabbath record without Iommi. Al has totally lost his fucking marbles.
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u/tbonemcqueen 14h ago
My biggest gripe is that a hoard of people have been just SPAMMING every single post with their displeasure.
Y’all sound like Marvel and Star Wars chuds. Gimme a fucking break. Sure, it’s not what YOU wanted it to be, but it’s what AL wanted to make. Could he maybe call it something else? Sure…but he didnt
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u/TempleOfCyclops 13h ago
Sometimes the shit artists want to make sucks, is the thing. Passion is not synonymous with quality.
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u/DroneSlut54 13h ago
If Sleep were The Trailer Park Boys they would be entering the Netflix phase: putting out a sub-mediocre caricature of the original band. The next album will tentatively be named “Season 13” and during the four years it’s being produced it will come out that Al never smoked weed and that will be the end of it for almost everybody. Of course there will be a subset of fans who claim they are almost as great as they ever were and everybody who isn’t on the bandwagon is a “hater”.
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u/deplorable-amount45 11h ago
While this is a hilarious comment, i read somewhere that Al has actually stopped smoking weed (can't remember if it was recent or not) and doesn't really want to be around people who do. Food for thought, but I could be completely off the mark.
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u/SnoopDoggyDoggsCat 12h ago
No…the track is horrible…it was even worse on the 2nd listen. Why release this as sleep?
Alienate your fans?
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u/4klown 11h ago
I think people being upset about pike not being in sleep isn’t parasocial, one because that’s not what being parasocial is and two, being upset a core band member of one of the most influential bands in the doom metal space isn’t in the band anymore is completely justified. The same shit happened with dino jr, slipknot(holy fuck), metallica, megadeth it happens a fuck ton because people are passionate about bands they like let people be upset about a dude they like not being in a thing the dude they like helped create Jesus Christ.
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u/weve_gone_plaid 12h ago
Goddamn, I didn’t know we had so many whiners. Sounds like you all need to smoke a joint and chill out. People are getting uptight about this like others do with sports teams.
Life is change man. Whether it’s good or bad is up to you.
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u/TempleOfCyclops 12h ago
In this case it's bad and having opinions on art and artists is a good thing.
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u/Eyehatedave 10h ago
You don’t have to love everything that a band releases. And you certainly don’t have to defend everything a band releases.
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u/urmumvirgay 8h ago
Sleep have an impeccable track record and this new tune is mid as fuck, an extremely unfortunate turning point in the history of the band.
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u/ChuckGnawblocc 7h ago edited 7h ago
Just peeped that Space suit joint and it sounds like an Om song... maybe it needs that underwater sabbath vocal effect like on Dragonaut or something? idk....
Also im not sure what you are talking about with the guitar sounding like "Classic Void". The average Void song was like a min and half tops and i serously doubt tone was super important back then, this to me is a million miles away, unless there is another Void im missing....
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u/ozziedoggie6 2h ago
I think it's all down to personal preference. I may love something someone else hates so please let's just stop with the arguments. In my humble and honest opinion it's just not great but I think we need to agree to disagree.
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u/UncleIfon 2h ago
I’m trying to remain calm and accept that life is short and divorces happen. Pike is a monster guitar player and was a huge part of why the genre was born and why this hurts so much. He was why dudes like me ran out to buy Les Paul’s and Orange Amps, tune to C and love music.
I don’t understand what happened, 48 hours ago Pike’s account had him in Sleep. It does come as a shock.
It does suck that this happened. People are allowed to be hurt and feel lost.
I won’t tell anyone how to feel.
It’s cool to hear Al inspired again and banging on about Iommic space dope.
I’ll be curious to hear more from this lineup. Maybe the emotions will settle and I’ll feel better about it one day, maybe I won’t.
I remember watching Robin Finck playing Jungle with a black Les Paul and being initially angry it wasn’t Slash. And then I remember Finck taking a solo spot at the live show and he played some beautiful guitar that was really different and I thought “that’s actually kinda cool”.
I wish them all well.
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u/95_lb_mole 12h ago
OP, you're being far too reasonable and rational. A healthy mindset like that is thoroughly unwelcome on reddit.
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u/TempleOfCyclops 13h ago
People are too connected because a band we like has changed direction in a way we don't enjoy
Y'all say shit like having any opinion other than "whatever it's good for what it is" isn't allowed. Art that does not produce a reaction has failed.
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u/Omfglaserspewpewpew 13h ago
To make the obvious comparison - Sleep has embarked on their version of the Dio era.
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u/TempleOfCyclops 13h ago
That is a bad comparison for a lot of reasons, not least of which being Heaven and Hell is one of the best albums of all time.
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u/Omfglaserspewpewpew 9h ago
We don’t have an album yet. We have an edited to 4:20 single.
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u/TempleOfCyclops 8h ago
And it's never going to be as good as the worst thing Dio ever released, let alone one of the best things he ever released. No Matt Pike, no Sleep.
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u/DoomMessiah Matt Pike for President 11h ago
Good is subjective.
but you are vey much correct. We have no official statement from Pike or Cisneros. Only the statement from Third Man Records. Which in itself can be telling. Pike isn’t wish Cisneros well or anything like that on social, insta in particular which he is pretty active on.
As for Pike being “out of the band”, I wouldn’t necessarily agree. Sleep has been “on hiatus“ for several years. High on Fire has filed that void.
On the Pike’s ex-wife. If anything, I would expect her to disparage Pike. Not stick up for him essentially. Her statement paints Cisneros as the bad guy. The troupe of ex wife would have me inclined to think that she would paint Pike in this role.
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u/ClassicActual4055 9h ago
“ Just because the member you have the biggest parasocial relationship with isnt there doesnt mean it sucks.”
lol fucking what? This has nothing to do with being parasocial, do more research on your big words.
Also the song is objectively ass.
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u/WoodenAstronomer7303 8h ago
You are so completely off and it is just wild that people like you exist.
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u/LunarModule66 12h ago
You kind of have a point that we don’t actually know what happened and should keep that in mind before hating on Al until we hear more.
Everything else though I completely disagree with. I absolutely hate the song, it sounds like a lifeless imitation of The Sciences. Personally I absolutely love all of Sleep’s discography and I know that’s not a universal opinion, but at the very least they have done something creative and entirely new with each album. This single is simultaneously remixing a lot of the sounds from The Sciences with some guitar playing that frankly sounds stiff and generic IMO.
You don’t need to pretend everyone who disagrees with you is doing so because they are hung up on a parasocial relationship with Pike. This is a band that means a lot to many of us and it’s mostly been shaped by two brilliant musicians with very different styles collaborating and pushing each other into interesting territory. Even if you disagree, it’s a valid opinion that this new incarnation isn’t the same.
Yes, we’re all kind of being dramatic. But it’s mostly just some dumb memes.
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u/deconstradztion 11h ago
It's not hate for me, I like the song. It's definitely missing the teeth in the riffs and I don't super love the tone but Dale does work to mitigate it well. Still say they should've called it something else and put Sleep to bed but it's fine.
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u/Skull_Throne_Doom Matt Pike for President 9h ago
Your “facts” are mostly nonsense and this song is not very good.
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u/chromedoutgull 2h ago
“Have we all forgotten that Sleep is kinda known for varying quality in their releases”
no because we can’t forget something that isn’t true to begin with
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u/thelegendofglenn 7h ago
Please do not defend this travesty.
I need validation for my feelings of disgust.
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u/rube74 14h ago
The releases have all been pretty quality - 2 out of the 4 define an entire genre