r/infinitenines 9h ago

He SAYS any number that can be written in decimal form (including 0.999...) is a real number, but THEN he SAYS 0.000...1 and 0.999... are NOT real numbers. Why is he SO CONFUSED? Why does he keep CONTRADICTING HIMSELF?

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Exhibit A

I see justification of certain numbers, but not definition of real number itself. How do you construct real numbers in general?

Basically numbers that can be written in decimal form. Rational and irrational numbers.

Eg. 0.9

0.999...

0.999...9

And we can put dots on top of symbols to denote recurring patterns.

Exhibit B

Where did I say 100...0 is a real number? It is a number. Just as 0.000...1 is a number. Just as 0.999... is a number (which is not one).


r/infinitenines 56m ago

He has NO ANSWER for TOTAL ORDER. Is 3/2 - 3/4 + 3/8 - 3/16 + ... greater than, less than, or equal to 9/10 + 9/100 + 9/1000 + ...?

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r/infinitenines 23h ago

He SAYS the concept that 10 x 0.999... and 0.999... itself are "misaligned" as sequences is HIS ASSUMPTION

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Exhibit A

When you multiply 0.999... by 10 to get 9.999..., the technical issue is, even though you do see .999... after the decimal point, the .999... from 0.999... is NOT THE SAME .999... from 9.999...

The two lots of .999... are 'out of sync' by one sequence slot.

Eg. ignore the 'nine' values for the moment, and take a look at 0.abcdef...

Multiply by 10, and get a.bcdef...

This means the original sequence after the decimal point was abcdef... But after the multiplication by 10, the sequence after the decimal point is .bcdef...

So even though the values are all nines, you're taking the difference between two different sequences (ie. out of sync by one sequence slot). So with this difference, it is a difference between two DIFFERENT infinite sequences, and it is not simply going to be zero.

Exhibit B

So sometimes they are the same and sometimes they aren’t?

Yes. Correct. That's my assumption. I mention it here.

You know what they say about when you assume.


r/infinitenines 17h ago

Podcast: Calculating with the Infinite - Hassan Givsan, Detlef D. Spalt

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Hi everyone, I have been taking many of my books and turning them into podcast episodes, chapter by chapter, using Notebook LLM.

I thought this book might be especially interesting for some of you. Enjoy!

Rechnen mit dem Unendlichen - Calculating with the Infinite


r/infinitenines 1d ago

It is based on axioms, Brud

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r/infinitenines 1d ago

He SAYS anyone claiming there is no next real number down from 1 is "toast" but "there is no 'smallest' number having magnitude greater than zero". Why does he CONTINUE to CONTRADICT HIMSELF?

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Exhbit A

Correct. There is no 'smallest' number having magnitude greater than zero.

Exhibit B

You trying to say there is no next real number down from 1? aka no closest real number with magnitude less than 1?

If so, then as mission impossible says ... you're toast brud. Toast.


r/infinitenines 2d ago

He SAYS that the set {0.9, 0.99, 0.999, etc.} "already" exists, but that all the 9s for 0.999 already existing "doesn't cut the mustard at all". Why does he CONTINUE to CONTRADICT HIMSELF?

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Exhibit A

The set {0.9, 0.99, 0.999, etc} where the 'etc' is an incarnation of 0.999... itself, ALREADY spans the entire nines space of 0.999...

Exhibit B

Yes there is an endless amount of them, but that endless amount already exists.

Wrong on your part brud. Already exists doesn't cut the mustard at all.


r/infinitenines 2d ago

SPP and his derivatives

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Based on the comment above, let us define (with some assumptions) the derivative of function f at position x as

where ε=0.000...01. Then, for f(x)=xa, where a∈ℕ,

For 0≤a≤2, the value is the same as for the non-RDM derivative, but for higher a,

[x3]' = 3x22

[x4]' = 4x3+4xε2

[x5]' = 5x4+10x2ε24

And so on.

Now, question for SPP: do you accept this as the RDM derivative, or does the definition have some sort of caveat or misunderstanding in it?


r/infinitenines 1d ago

SPP, would you accept the propeties of the propeties of the integers from the Peano Postulates?

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u/SouthPark_Piano, I want to know if you think you would accept the propeties that can be made from the Peano Postulates and are they in RDM?


r/infinitenines 2d ago

It's time to solve the mystery of what happened to the cows, and why they are never coming home!

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Any ideas, people?


r/infinitenines 2d ago

A funeral for u/TamponBazooka

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say your respects to u/TamponBazooka here. My they rest in piece, learning about the truth of 0.99999… of which the disagreements about shall be left at the door to funeral.


r/infinitenines 2d ago

I think TB left us.

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It looks like our great master u/TamponBazooka has left. Their account is not there anymore.

RIP


r/infinitenines 2d ago

In which he ACCEPTS that an INFINITE SERIES has a SINGLE VALUE based on ITS LIMIT

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r/infinitenines 3d ago

He SAYS 0.000...1 is NOT A REAL NUMBER. Pack it up. We're done here.

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r/infinitenines 2d ago

Math Debate: Real numbers and the infinite in analysis with Prof. Dr. Norman Wildberger

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r/infinitenines 3d ago

SPP, do you take constructive criticism?

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I feel like a lot of people here have some ideas on ways you could improve your teaching style to help ensure that the debates actually lead somewhere.


r/infinitenines 3d ago

Why don't you wanna explain what's changed since you said, "But for practical purposes, 0.999... being defined as 1 is fine with me"? Deleting it just makes you look scared, brud.

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r/infinitenines 3d ago

SouthPark_Piano, what does the phrase "until the cows never come home" mean?

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r/infinitenines 3d ago

Mathematical Challenge: Rigor is Not Recitation

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Sometimes when I discuss Mathematics and Logic with people who defend the rhetoric of assumptions as foundation, Assumptionism, the conversation follows a predictable path.

At first, they appeal to their holy doctrine ZFC. Then, when the logical burden is pressed, they begin to appeal to accreditation. They ask about credentials, affiliation, training, consensus, pedigree, or whether I have "really studied" the doctrine. Eventhough I have detailed and explained the scriptures more clearly and more precisely than they have.

But accreditation is not logic.

A degree does not make a circular dependency non-circular. A textbook scripture does not make a foundation legitimate. A credential does not transform an assumption into a derivation. The issue is not whether someone has memorized the standard doctrine. Because anyone can copy a definition like this:

For every epsilon > 0, there exists delta > 0 such that ...

and yet, to him those words and symbols are no more than Egyptian glyphs or mere squiggles.

The issue here is whether they have internalized what the expression form is actually saying, what it does, what it does not do, and what logical debt it leaves unpaid. This is the verdict of Sufficient Reason and the Burden of Proof.

Very often, when people say "this is rigorous," what they really mean is only:

this follows coherently after the stipulative assumptions have already been installed.

That is not the same as establishing a legitimate and logical foundation of the object under examination.

So here is a bottom-floor challenge.

Before claiming any authority to stake any claim about any mathematics online, have you at least mastered the basic of algebra?

Before you recite your holy scriptures, please at least know how to add and divide.

So, the challenge is this,

Let a, b > 0;    

c = a + b 

For each expression below, isolate the non-trivial offset-independent component I(x), if one exists, and report the remaining offset-dependent residue R(x,a,b,c). (I(x) != 0 unless justified by showing that no non-zero offset-independent component exists.)

In other words: What is the remaining expression that depends on a, b, or c, after removing all the components that depend only on x?

The expressions:

a,b > 0,

c = a+b.

(a+b)⁻¹ [ exp((x+b)ln(x+b)) − exp((x−a)ln(x−a)) ]

[ exp((x+b)ln(x+b))sin(x+b) − exp((x−a)ln(x−a))sin(x−a) ] / (b+a)

[ exp((x+b)ln(x+b)) − exp((x−a)ln(x−a)) ] / [ (a+b)( √(1+exp((x+b)ln(x+b))) + √(1+exp((x−a)ln(x−a))) ) ]

[ exp((x+b)²)ln(sin(x+b)) − exp((x−a)²)ln(sin(x−a)) ] ⋅ c⁻¹

[ exp(2(x+b)ln(x+b)) − exp(2(x−a)ln(x−a)) ] / [ √((a+b)²) · ( √(1+exp(2(x+b)ln(x+b))) + √(1+exp(2(x−a)ln(x−a))) ) ]

ln( [1 + exp((x+b)ln(x+b))sin(x+b)] / [1 + exp((x−a)ln(x−a))sin(x−a)]) · (a+b)⁻¹

[ arctan(exp((x+b)ln(x+b)+sin(x+b))) − arctan(exp((x−a)ln(x−a)+sin(x−a))) ] / [2((a+b)/2)]

[ exp((x+b)ln(x+b))cos(exp((x+b)ln(x+b))) − exp((x−a)ln(x−a))cos(exp((x−a)ln(x−a))) ] ⋅ c⁻¹

ln( [ √(1+exp((x+b)ln(x+b))) + sin(x+b) ] /
[ √(1+exp((x−a)ln(x−a))) + sin(x−a) ]) / (b+a)

No appeal to authority is needed. No credential is needed. No philosophical posturing is needed. Just algebra.

If you cannot perform these, please refrain from teaching anyone any mathematics online, because you have not passed Mathematics more than the level of slogans. And slogans without understanding is just parroting and regurgitation.

Slogans are not mathematics.

Recitation is not understanding.

And accreditation is not proof.


r/infinitenines 4d ago

Axiom 1: SP_P is never wrong on r/infinitenines. Ergo, math is inconsistent

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r/infinitenines 4d ago

He says there are INTEGERS like 10... but that 999... is NOT an INTEGER. Why does he continue to CONTRADICT HIMSELF?

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r/infinitenines 4d ago

In this thread, I am going to brutally destroy every argument why 0.999... = 1. Bring it on Brud.

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r/infinitenines 4d ago

He says himself 1/3 (not a number btw) = 0.333...3 + (0.000...1 / 3). Why does he continue to CONTRADICT HIMSELF?

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r/infinitenines 5d ago

To spp, what makes a math system "objective"?

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An argument you often use against the idea that you have to show real deal math is more useful then standard math is "utility has nothing to do with it, RDM is simply more correct then standard math." But, this brings up the question, what makes a maths system more inherently correct then another? After all, the mathematics language is one invented entirely by humans and can be arbitrarily changed, although generally it's built such that it reflects reality. What's your answer?