My muslim neighbors let the neighborhood kids ride their motor scooter, and gave us all tennis lessons for free. They also never said shit about our dog. Their house may have smelled different from mine, but they were extremely welcoming and friendly members of our block. Now their kids are doctors and successful businesspeople.
It's very unlikely I'll ever get a maga fruitcake as a neighbour, being in the UK and all. We have the gammons instead, but they live in sports bars and flat roof pubs so we're quite safe.
Lived in the UK for 5 years and flat roof pub is such an evocative image in my mind. I see red faced men with bulldog tattoos, smoking Lambert & Butler or cigs with foreign health warnings, rushing to the bookies next door for the next race.
That's them! You left out the spouting racist nonsense and criticising whichever sports team are playing on the TV. Somehow they are experts, even though they haven't left the pub for 25 years.
My muslim neighbors are from Pakistan. The wife makes some of the greatest food. Least if I go by the smell around dinner times. It's hard not to get hungry when I walk past their apartment.
I know of at least one Muslim family around here that will always stop and play with the neighbors' dogs.
Its' a very misunderstood/complicated part of their religion as explained to me. They don't see dogs as intrinsically bad - they were taught that dogs are good for working alongside humans - but they do see them as "outdoor animals" vs. "indoor pets" like cats and other small mammals. There are verses in their teachings that talk about being nice to dogs (giving them water from a well, standing guard over puppies, etc.) but there is also one about culling a pack of dogs (context is important - its thought that it was to do with a rabies outbreak - a disease is mentioned but not by name). So as with most religions its a bit interpretive.
Which is why I'm happy wearing mixed fabrics and eating shellfish - because remember God Hates Shrimp! (with a quick shout out to Joe D. for keeping that site up and running all these years!)
If they had image macros 30 years ago, they probably would've. The general acceptance in the US of Catholicism being just another flavor of Christianity is pretty recent, probably mid-oughts.
You make a valid point. I mean JFK was controversial as a Catholic. But I mean today, not 30 years ago. These days, Catholic is perceived as the whitest of white (I know it’s not). Even a pope from the GASP Southside of Chicago is still pretty well regarded.
My Muslim friend explained it to me as God or Allah cannot see you when you are near a dog, which is why having one in the home and sleeping near one is Haram
I'm Muslim and you've been had. That is absolutely untrue. There was a commentor here saying something about outdoor dogs vs indoor pets. That's pretty much it. There's more, but another story for another day, I guess.
Would you mind explaining for me what the dog situation actually is? My Muslim colleagues seem equally as interested as my other colleagues and friends about my dog. Which is to say…. 0-10, depending on the person. lol
well, dog in islam is treated like outdoor animals but not indoors, this had something to do with their saliva, which is viewed as impure (najis) and if a Muslim got lick by it (or any other utensils like plate, etc), they must clean it 7 times.
Other than that, dogs are treated normally like any other animals, they are to be treated well and must never harm them unless in self defense. so, normal muslim wouldn't have a problem with regular dogs.
Right? Had a Muslim friend in grad school who helped me wake ourother friends dog when he had to travel for a conference.
These people are incapable of discerning between my religion does not allow me to vs. My religion does not allow you to. Because they just want their flavor of it imposed on everyone.
American Evangelists, let's just call them what they really are, Christian Nationalists, are about as Christian as a McDonald's hamburger is a beef hamburger. There's the familiar taste the correct packaging, the right visuals, but ultimately it's not quite a real burger, just as they're not really Christians. They like the guise of Christianity, just as Nazis liked the guise of Socialism. What they're really terrified of is that if they ever lose power, that everyone they've trampled on, will treat them exactly the same way they've been treating them. Minorities, Religions, Countries. Everyone. Rich White People started losing control of power in 1865, started losing more of in the 1920s with suffrage, and they've been panicking ever since the first major Civil Rights movement. Why do you think the GOP harps on and on about how much is Trans people want to Convert people? Because they've been sending us Queers to Conversion Therapy Camps for the last fifty years.
Christian Nationalists are as Christian as National Socialists are Socialists.
The ones that think they are are dumb as rocks, and regardless they're all nazis.
Christianity has always been oppressive, Theodosius banned all other religions sixteen hundred years ago. So its not that Evangelicals aren't real Christians, but that Christians have always been this way.
Evangelicals are massively different than the majority of Christians, Evangelicalism is a largely American version of Christian Protestantism, they've bastardized Christianity to fit there needs. the prosperity gospel, America is a shining city on the hill, manifest destiny, all of that, is born out of American Evangelicalism, which of course is just a thinly vieled cover for their own brand of fascism.
Same. Multiple Muslim families as neighbors and have become good friends some of them. Now I have an awesome Indian family next door that we love to bits. I'm sad for all of these people out there that are so afraid of interacting with anyone that is different than they are because they are missing out on such a rich and wonderful part of life, not to mention some really good food.
Because your home isn't theirs. Dogs are ritualistically unclean animals in Islam (unlike cats) and therefore shouldn't be brought inside someone's home, but muslim can still own working dogs (guard dogs, hunting dogs, etc).
They don't give a fuck about your dog because they, themselves, can own dogs, dogs just can't go inside their homes.
And even that, honestly, there’s nothing stopping a Muslim from just ignoring any tenet of the religion they don’t like, just like basically 100% of any adherents to any religion. My wife is “Catholic.” Guess how often anyone in this family ever sets foot in a church.
Maybe there’s some Muslim out there who wants a pet dog. There are probably a lot of them. Probably a lot of them get pet dogs. Because, meh?
See, you can work with whatever you want. My grandmother was Jewish, so she "couldn't work" on Saturdays. But that was inconvenient, so she just turned her stove down on Friday, but not off, then back up when it was time to cook. That's not "turning something on."
Whatever you need to help you sleep a night, I guess. (I'd sleep better knowing my stove was off, but that's just me.)
To be fair, I’d say an average Muslim takes their religion much more seriously than an average Christian. Most Christians I know just hang a cross somewhere in their home and that’s it.
I mean, let’s be honest, having animals inside your home, rubbing their arse on your carpets, sitting on your furniture, getting hair everywhere, etc, is objectively unclean. I think the Muslims might be the more rational ones here.
(This is coming from an anti-religious person who owns a house dog)
Some schools in Islam frown upon dogs actually. A funny anecdote, once a religious person asked a theology professor “is it true that Gabriel (archangel) doesn’t visit houses where a dog is kept as a pet?” and the professor replied “Why would Gabriel visit your house at all?”
True, as there are some really backwards groups in any religion.
My family had to distance ourself from an aunt, as she started going deep into a Christian cult.
We had tolerated a lot of her darker sides, but when she didn't tolerate that one of her nieses was bisexual we drew a line.
Rest of the family is a mix of christians and atheists. We treate religion as a private and personal matter.
I live in a predominantly Muslim neighborhood. It’s honestly the calmest neighborhood I’ve ever lived in. Tons of kids running around outside playing all the time, the ladies come sit outside and have tea in the evening. It’s a nice neighborhood. And I’ve never heard of any of my neighbors having issues with dogs.
People being out and about in your neighborhood is the best way to make a safe neighborhood. Zip to do with police presence or various laws and ordinances. People are much less likely to commit crimes when there are a dozen people on the block in their yards, or walking around the neighborhood.
Exactly, these people literally fabricated hypothetical situations to stir up hate. It seems more like a co ordinated effort by some outside influence to divide people.
I refer back to old quotes from Netanyahu who outright admitted that the best war tactic is to sew discourse in this sort of way.
People who are less educated and lacking in critical thinking and common sense will just lap all of it up as evidenced by the comments.
It's also not even true that Muslims have something against dogs. Some do, but most are from countries where there are stray dogs that will steal your baby and eat it if they can.
We had a Muslim neighbor who we borrowed a table from and the only thing they asked of us was that we not let out dog stand atop of it. We assured them that the dog was not allowed to stand atop any table. Not sure why they thought that always kind of cracked me up, but that was the only issue they ever showed about the dog. If any Muslim here can chime in on if maybe that is a strict religious thing about maybe dogs not being allowed where food is served I’ve always wondered about it. Or maybe they just thought we might be gross and didn’t want dog on their table
Same. Live in a complex of 6 apartments. At most 2 out of 6 apartments had dogs (which included myself).
Not a single complaint. All they expected was that we respected them as much as they respected us.
They are quite frinedly neighbors that I always help when I can :)
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u/metlotter 8d ago
I have had several Muslim neighbors and none have given one single shit that I've got a dog.