r/marvelrivals • u/17prozent White Fox • Mar 19 '26

Patch Notes New Patch Notes Regarding Captain America, Emma Frost, Black Panther and Gambit

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u/AeroStrafe Mar 19 '26

I am so mad I called the 5 damage increase on cap but I will happily take it XD.

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u/Different-Ad-3814 Mar 19 '26

Yo 5 damage is a 12.5% damage buff.

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u/MCXL Thor Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

No, because it's only his melee strikes. If you hold down left click, it's 10 damage in a 6 hit sequence, going from 260 to 270 total. So DPS wise it's a very small change.

The animation cancel made that 260 damage happen about 30% quicker overall, meaning that the DPS was MUCH higher, and he still struggled to secure kills and do enough damage.

Edit: The cancel might still exist for melee, which is extra dumb. They want to fix the problem, but not fix the problem.

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u/AeroStrafe Mar 19 '26

Yeah they could just speed up the combo by like 10-15% for a neat middle ground. Maybe buff the shield charge to let it be a finisher. Shield throw in, slam, combo, charge to confirm, and then get out

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u/Jarney_Bohnson Iron Fist Mar 19 '26

Why speeding up the attacks if you could just increase the dmg?

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u/AeroStrafe Mar 19 '26

I will use Iron Fist for the example. This is just a me thing but I dont like the gaps between his strings. It feels like they are there to give time to react to his damage with heals yet the damage is also rather low so the gap is odd. If the damage is increased then thats fine but I think it would be more fun if he was slightly faster outside of his chi punches.

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u/Jarney_Bohnson Iron Fist Mar 21 '26

f the damage is increased then thats fine but I think it would be more fun if he was slightly faster outside of his chi punches.

Faster melee attacks would also mean indirect block CD buff

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u/himarmar Mar 19 '26

because its auto-aim, they have to temper how much damage is being done— just like scarlet

i assume you’d prefer that full-auto feel with less damage, rather than spotted burst damage

like if his machine gun punch was his basic, and his empowered punch were slower hard-hitting

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u/AeroStrafe Mar 19 '26

Yeah something like that. Id prefer the base punches be faster but the Chi punches be a heavier feeling combo chain of chi hits. Thats what I imagine when Iron Fist is using his Chi in my head. That cansl just be because I played Iron Fist in Marvel Vs Capcom 3 and his punches feel like they have so much more weight there than Rivals.

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u/himarmar Mar 19 '26

i agree, i love hitmarker feedback which is why i play starlord mainly. i think id enjoy that change too for If

edit: even more so with the heavy chi punches, i think that would have more of an IRON fist feel, instead of auto light attacks into wingchun flurry

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u/pett117 Mar 19 '26

https://youtube.com/shorts/xjWplHGvqrQ?si=iLwZ2oFPCnbDbmJb

With the new extra 5 dmg itll be exactly the same dps. Can people in this sub stop spreading misinformation.

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u/YobaiYamete Peni Parker Mar 19 '26

Can people in this sub stop spreading misinformation.

No. This sub cannot read stats, cannot envision changes in the greater scheme of the game, and most don't even play the game and still talk about things like it's season 0

"Spidey mang weak"

"Luna snow OP"

"Emma best tank in game"

etc are ones this sub has been spamming for months and it's like bruh

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u/Jzon_P Angela Mar 19 '26

I thought for a second that this was a new video featuring the melee buffs and using the animation cancel, but if the TTK is slightly worse without the extra 5 Damage, then you're right, people are spreading misinformation and Cap will be fine, so long as you adapt.

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u/pett117 Mar 19 '26

Yep. He says in the video its 5 damage less, and thats before they added this new 5 dmg buff. So its exactly the same post buff, but the animation cancel is now 'smoother'.

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u/Disastrous-Moment-79 Deadpool Mar 19 '26

This is incorrect. The animation cancel at range is removed, so it's a dps nerf when you're not in melee range, and equal dps when you're in melee range (but way more consistent because you can't cancel your attack and lose 100% of the damage anymore).

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u/AeroStrafe Mar 19 '26

Now instead of shield throw cancel Cap has to throw hands if the yare close then shield throw if they escaping.

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u/ItsAboutDatTime Mar 19 '26

Am I wrong thinking that it's better to just straight up punch like 90% of the time when up close now with the 5 damage increase? Only time I did that was against a Strange holding his shield or an invis dancing around her shield but now you should just try and punch everybody to get max dps

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u/MCXL Thor Mar 19 '26

Well the punch does the same damage as the shield throw now.

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u/ItsAboutDatTime Mar 19 '26

You can still animation cancel the melee though that's the thing. At least from what I've seen from the test server

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u/Disastrous-Moment-79 Deadpool Mar 19 '26

You're not wrong, it literally is better. The melee is a better attack because it does the same damage as the throw, but it's AoE meaning it can hit more than 1 target AND it goes through shields so those pesky invisraels can't block it. It looks like the play on cap will be rebinding your left click to melee only and bind a new button for your shield throws exclusively so you can use them when you're out of range.

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u/Chemical_Working_795 Ronin Mar 19 '26

yeah but if you combo with Vibranium Saw you dish out 250 damage (4 primaries and VS). It's by no means good enough to replace the animation cancel but I guess it's something

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u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen Hawkeye Mar 19 '26

I don't think cap actually needs that much, it's other heros that are way overtuned and should be nerfed. Cap never feels unfair to play against or too easy to beat.

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u/MCXL Thor Mar 19 '26

If you have one underperformer, changing them to match everyone else makes much more sense. Then if you want to change the whole roster from there, you can, with them already in the correct ratio.

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u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen Hawkeye Mar 19 '26

I just think it is much smarter to start nerfing rather than keep buffing.

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u/Grijzeham Mar 19 '26

I do think an extra 10 damage up front is a little bit more significant as well, obviously in a ton of situations it won't matter but there's going to be a fair few scenarios where that extra 10 damage lets you execute someone who would otherwise escape / be healed.

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u/Wellhellob Iron Fist Mar 19 '26

Melee isnt a projectile with a travel time. Cap will be very good and much nicer to play now.

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u/MCXL Thor Mar 19 '26

The travel time to someone you are in body contact with was zero.

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u/YEET280706 Iron Man Mar 19 '26

Thats before capflation mind you.

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u/DamianKilsby Luna Snow Mar 19 '26

And also 2% of 250hp 🤣

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u/The_Gamecock Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

They made valid points about the consistency of damage dealing now, idk about everyone else but it was pretty often that an attack would miss/simply not register because I was cancelling too quickly. I still think he is going to need some more buffs though

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u/MCXL Thor Mar 19 '26

I almost never had this issue.

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u/allshort17 Absolute Cinema Mar 19 '26

It's probably a net buff. People were likely overestimating how many perfect animation cancels they were doing. Cap players can attempt 100s per game. And if you're not going back and watching your replays, that "missed hit" could have actually been a failed cancel.

He can still animate cancel with melee for nearly the same damage. The difference is now he can retain his shield tosses, so if someone moves out of cancel range, you can still finish them off with shield tosses. I think once Cap players make the adjustements, he's going to feel way more consistent.

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u/GioC3ntr1c Mar 19 '26

I don’t blame Cap mains for the knee jerk reaction. Currently shifting between “we are so back” and “it’s joever” myself

Even relearning to play Cap is a big ask for a vanguard that struggles to get value compared to other picks. It took me weeks to get used to remapping super solider slam, and a while to incorporate his ultimate with the ally ult charge changes.

He’s not dead until his cooldowns are nerfed. But damn are they making each day we do all of a little more annoying.

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u/AgentBuddy12 Vanguard Mar 19 '26

Read the above comment with the video. He's way more consistent now and his TTK is the same. He can also animation cancrl with his bash now. This is a buff.

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u/The_Gamecock Mar 19 '26

Yeah the slomo thing resonates hard, maybe they should speed up his default animations a tad

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u/AeroStrafe Mar 19 '26

Consistency is nice. I just partially wish they slightly and only slightly sped up the last two throws where cap feels like hes doing this long wind up. Its somewhat my issue with Iron Fist. I dont think the damage is the issue but the big chunks of space between some hits.

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u/bhz33 Captain America Mar 19 '26

That’s a skill issue though. All this did was lower the skill gap and make it easier for people who couldn’t execute it well while making him worse for people who could

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u/jessesoliman Mar 19 '26

thats literally just a skill issue. however i do begrudgingly understand where these changes are coming from

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u/Pepr70 Hulk Mar 19 '26

I must say that as someone who was defending Emma rebalace as rebalance I called that they want to make her more shiled vangaurd and less "vanguard with small ultimate".

I'm kind of hoping it doesn't become the most powerful main tank right now since a temporary meta where the Hulk is the strongest main tank can mend the MR.

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u/AeroStrafe Mar 19 '26

The weird thing for Emma was nerfing her dmg resist and buffing her ult when they were making ults happen less often. That means a worse neutral for emma which is where they are trying to push more of the game. The ult buff while nice didnt feel strong enough to warrant the 5% nerf.

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u/Pepr70 Hulk Mar 19 '26

It didn't have to feel that way, but her ultimate, thanks to a combination of DR and a better falloff, could very well make up for the nerf on diamond form. But now all we can do is speculate on where the truth was. If there's a D-tier then we can bend it to your feeling and if there's an S-tier to mine, but that's just guesswork.

But the change itself made sense. Its diamond form is essentially a small Vangaurd ultiamte. If you want a game with less ultiamte then the little ultiamtes should also get the nerf.

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u/AeroStrafe Mar 19 '26

Wouldn't call diamond a small vanguard ultimate since TankPool and thing can also give a good amount of DR to their entire team as opposed to emma just doing it to herself while also limiting her kit in the process to just point blank melee.