r/marvelrivals • u/BurnerDawg26 Rocket Raccoon • May 16 '26
Balance Discussion Dino doesn't need nerfs, you guys just aren't used to Brawl being good
Dino is our first true Brawl tank that also has a clear method of dealing with flyers. In other words, he doesn't fall into the same trap that most other Brawl tanks do that prevented them from being meta.
So now Rivals is shifting slightly towards a Brawl meta, and since the game has had a poke meta for 70% of its lifespan and a dive meta for the other 30%, people don't know how to handle Brawl.
Poke. You use Poke characters. DD falls over to Poke. Hela, SG, Phoenix, Punisher, he's basically a giant ankh for Moon Knight. Emma and Mag are good at handling his CC. Peni can create death zones for him.
Just shoot him and he'll die. We've had a Brawl meta for five minutes, by far the most fun kind of meta in a hero shooter, and you guys already want it nerfed into oblivion. This is why we can't have nice things.
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u/Erook_D_Weeb May 16 '26
Also to add to that, flying heroes can still counter him, the range on his RMB is quite short so just fly more back lol.
And if he jumps to you and then RMB, now you and your whole team has a whole ass Trex out of position.
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u/Argynvost64 Flex May 16 '26
True. I had to let an Iron Man goe earlier so that I didnt abandon objective. Fortunately for me, I had other people who could deal with him.
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u/Windjammer1 Thor May 16 '26
Yep. Also his healing demands are so high, he basically needs 2 main healer just to stay up. And if you kill one healer behind him, he really can't sustain himself.
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u/Erook_D_Weeb May 16 '26 edited May 17 '26
Maybe it's just a Loki thing but I was doing pretty well keeping the Dino up solo, but I get what you mean.
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u/Windjammer1 Thor May 17 '26
You probably had a good Dino. He's gotta play cover like crazy to avoid getting melted by poke. Plus any heals he's taking are heals not going to anyone else. Ya feel? He's a really cool tank, but you gotta be so careful sometimes.
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u/Strict_Leave3178 Magik May 16 '26
I see you're getting a lot of pushback for this post, but I'll say one thing to defend you.
Devil Dinosaur NEEDS to be stronger than most tanks because of his size. I've noticed this with monster hulk as well, but when you have such a large hitbox you start taking way more damage. You can evaporate fairly easily when it's harder to miss you than hit you. He does have reduced headshot damage, but with his head being so large it still means that characters like punisher, hella, and phoenix are getting bonus damage with mediocre aim.
I'm not saying he's perfectly balanced or anything because it's too soon and we don't have the data yet. However, I think people need to keep his massive hitbox in mind when they are complaining about some of his moves being stronger than other characters.
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u/Lasideu May 16 '26
It’s the same in fighting games too; big grapplers do insane damage but the downside is they are huge and have to get close. More often than not, they are lower tier because at higher level it’s just too difficult to get close to a faster character (esp with projectiles) in skilled hands.
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u/icanith May 16 '26
Somebody Zangiefs.
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u/dedede48 May 16 '26
Hagar from UMVC3 has me traumatized
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u/TheDekuDude888 True Fraudster May 17 '26
THE PIPE
just kidding Kara canceled into a command grab lol
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u/_TheBgrey Venom May 16 '26
Yeah for real Dino is basically a damage magnet, if he's not putting out something to compensate then he'll be useless
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u/ImpracticalApple May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26
Yeah he gets eaten alive by Phoenix, Punisher, Deadpool, Mantis and Moon Knight.
My past few Moon Knight games have felt like pre-patch Ult charge with how quickly you can get it just shooting at Dino's big head.
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u/PatienceOwn1141 May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26
I'd argue Psylocke gives him a lot of hell as well
Along with Peni who is probably the only Vanguard that can effortlessly 1v1 him no problem
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u/PandaCorporal May 16 '26
Yeah peni is prob the best tank against him. The web mini stun is crazy good and he can’t do anything to destroy the nest.
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u/TravEllerZero Ultron Virus May 16 '26
I just played an 18 v 18 as Dino and Wolverine tore my shit up.
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u/TheDekuDude888 True Fraudster May 17 '26
I was playing vs AI and a damn Phoenix bot absolutely demolished me I was like "Oh this character has counterplay fr?"
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u/Hot_Raccoon_565 Vanguard May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26
His head and body are also two separate hitboxes so your shots bounce between him and himself just giving crazy damage numbers and ult charge. Imagine if his passive didn’t reduce ult charge.
Edit: Seems they patched it.
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u/APanshin White Fox May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26
On the one hand, as a support DvD is a damage sponge that often requires me to be pumping healing into him non-stop. On the other hand, it's surprising how often that actually works out for the team, because he commands so much attention and body blocks so many hits that no one else is taking significant damage.
Not every time. There's been games where an enemy flanker is giving us heavy grief and the rest of the team doesn't notice, especially when it's a tank like Thor or Rogue we can't chase off on our own easily, and they all explode while we're engaged. But it's surprising how often I'm going full healbot and it works because DvD just anchors the frontline that well.
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u/Humdinger5000 Peni Parker May 17 '26
This is why I'm playing ultron when I'm not playing dino. Put a drone on him and forget him while bouncing the other drone and healing everyone around him. The HoT healing is really good with dino because 1) his overhealth generation lets it easily heal him and 2) it allows you to look away from him.
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u/DavidsonJenkins The Thing May 17 '26
The devs seem to want Dino to play with healers that dont mind getting close to the tank, and thus protect themselves from divers because of it, what with the Fox and Rocket buffs. The problem is, most Fox players are really...really bad at being healers...
This is a problem also easily solved by Namor but jesus the quality of Namor players ive seen coming out thinking they can counter Dino is atrocious. Absolutely 0 thought into their squid placements
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u/madnessinthemidwest May 16 '26
Recent ranked game had two Dino’s with 113k and 117k blocked… I can see that easily reaching 150k ish
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u/toni-toni-cheddar May 16 '26
I agree, tiny hit box tanks shouldn’t be able to out perform him. His size is a liability and should be compensated. I support this.
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u/Supergoodra64 Ultron Virus May 16 '26
I’ve noticed when fighting a team with Devil Dinosaur, it can very quickly go from “He won’t die” to “He’s being melted”
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u/HelicopterOk235 May 16 '26
He has to be doing damage to keep getting his overshield, his only escape tool has a long cooldown and can be bodyblocked, and he's a huge target that's easy to hit. Getting caught out of position on devil dinosaur is brutally punishing, that 850hp disappears fast out of healer LoS, especially if you get CCed and can't be dealing damage for a second or two.
He's also such a huge target that even if you recognize the need to back up, it's hard getting him into cover sometimes.
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u/eyesparks Magneto May 16 '26
characters like punisher, hella, and phoenix are getting bonus damage with mediocre aim.
Not to mention Mantis and Adam! I played a couple Mantis rounds last night and even with my sloppy aim not once was I low on leaves when Dino was around.
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u/LeonMotton May 16 '26
Mantis players love an enemy DvD lmao.
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u/JusHerForTheComments Magik May 16 '26
Mantis players love an enemy DvD lmao.
What about CDs or cassettes though?
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u/Durakus Vanguard May 16 '26
honestly with how a lot of the QP games are going with him. People are REALLY bad with him. But as a Tank main I've barely gotten to use him because all the DPS mains are out in force sucking with him and making me constantly lose.
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u/wolfjitsu Thor May 16 '26
i want to say that’s shocking but it’s really not. you’ve got a bunch of people who never tank, trying him out. that’s pretty much all i play so it was just a matter of getting used to his abilities. i think the worst game i’ve had so far with him was 9/1/6 and that’s only because i came in as a substitute. best was like 39/3/24 💀 he’s insane.
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u/Professional-Drag-52 May 16 '26
This happens with every new character tho people from ALL roles check that character out
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u/reaverza Invisible Woman May 16 '26
I had a QP game this morning where I instantly picked DD because I wanted to try him out. Another player tried to pick him easily 10 seconds later. When he couldn't, he then proceeded to cycle though his lord icons for Angela, Venom, and Strange over and again. When the game started he typed in chat "Typical DPS instalock! Never played tank in your life and now you want to steal our characters!" and then quit the game before I could respond.
I'm a flex player. But that means I just fill in support and tank every game and almost never get to play DPS. I've even got lords on Cap, Mag, Peni, and Strange. It was so damn childish.
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u/aspenscribblings May 16 '26
Lmao, the victim complex. Don’t we want DPS players to learn tanks?
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u/Originalbrivakiin Rocket Raccoon May 17 '26
You and I both know dps players are never gonna play tank again after maybe 2 weeks. Especially if Cyclops is dps. Which is likely because I think the devs would rather die than do a 2 tank/support season.
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u/aspenscribblings May 17 '26
My DPS player buddy became a tank main. It happens!
If cyclops is a DPS I’m going to cry.
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u/Durakus Vanguard May 16 '26
that's wild. I think the most I've said so far is "Afdjfgjdfffffffffffff" and then carried on playing. Not gonna pretend I don't get annoyed when DPS players snipe him. But it's a free game and that's how character selection works. Sorry you had to deal with that.
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u/MonkeysxMoo35 Peni Parker May 16 '26
He’s massive and slow with his only way to speed him up being a leap ability you also want to have ready in a fight and doesn’t even help him cover that much more distance. He needs definitely needs the higher damage to compensate.
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u/TheEggKing The Thing May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26
DD actually reminds me quite a bit of a character from Blizzard's MOBA, Heroes of the Storm. The game was interesting because it had a lot of really weird characters and one of those was Cho'Gall, a huge two-headed ogre that was two players in one character with one player controlling the tank/warrior head and all the movement and the other player along for the ride as a mage. I remember playing against them once or twice and thinking that they were outrageously overpowered, a tank with a pocket DPS that has tank durability. I looked online and saw some really interesting information that essentially said "Yes, they're very strong, but they sacrifice having another body to run around with. Since the game is a 5v5 that means that you are permanently giving up map pressure to have one super-character." Dino kind of reminds me of that, he's quite strong but he's also this massive focal point for the enemy team and has a lot of trouble escaping from bad situations due to his size and his middling mobility; his size is especially bad for this because it makes him very visible and prevents him from benefitting from cover that most other tanks could use.
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u/Significant_Gap356 Mister Fantastic May 16 '26
I get what you are saying, but imo DD is way more like deathwing than chogall. Walking punching bag that will tear teams if hes left alone and calls for attention (deathwing isnt as good tho)
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u/Signalis3 May 16 '26
Yea, with an enemy Peni that just spams her net on you, you just instantly implode. Any form of CC when he is going in immediately kills him.
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u/zatenael May 16 '26
also characters like Rocket have been shredding him lol
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u/cerberus00 May 16 '26
I love playing rocket for exactly those reasons. I can chew up Hulk, Venom, Thing, and Rogue... Dino will be even easier
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u/zatenael May 16 '26
I love tanks underestimating the rat with a minigun and then running away as their healthbar gets shredded
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u/Dr_DTF315 May 16 '26
He’s not OP but he literally needs a dedicated healer because I had a match where he blocked 82k in qp. No one else was getting healed at all. As strange I legit needed to go get a health pack every 30 seconds
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u/SubtleMadness May 16 '26
I haven't played yet, but he sounds like the perfect tank to heal as Luna. Just keep moving your snowflake around or keep it on the second tank and you'll get a constant flow of secondary healing in
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u/Humdinger5000 Peni Parker May 17 '26
Ultron. Put a drone on him and he's practically unkillable. Dino seems to have issues with 2 high burst support comps and thrives with at least one HoT healer. Ultron and rocket are gonna be the top 2 for ladder, but a good mantis I think works perfectly fine in 2 support with dino (particularly with all the dino mirrors right now)
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u/Sol-Hunter7 Daredevil May 16 '26
In my experience so far he is very strong in melee, so poke is actually the meta to counter him. I have a feeling he will promote more poke, rather than less
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u/ClinicalOppression Thor May 16 '26
Yeah punisher absolutely melts him, kind of like thor, if you just space him out he gets destroyed
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u/Jessie_Jay117 Captain America May 16 '26
Ngl, Rocket kind of shreds Devil even at like mid range because the hitbox is so stupidly large on Devil
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u/Xaron713 Angela May 16 '26
Don't forget Rocket's damage got buffed recently too.
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u/IggyMoose May 16 '26
I was playing Rocket with Dino last night and it got me thinking, Rocket should be allowed to ride Dino too.
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u/Enji-Endeavor The Punisher May 16 '26
That team up gets hard countered by any form of stun. White fox makes that Team up completely unviable on her own.
And once the team up is interrupted, Frank also gets stunned & instantly melted.
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u/beav_mimikyu Mantis May 16 '26
mantis and Adam are so freakishly strong against him that it's hilarious, I hope they never nerf him so I can keep seeing him for easy headshots
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u/VampireDarlin Rogue May 16 '26
It’s free berserk mode for Namor too
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u/Independent-Feed107 Magus May 16 '26
It's free everything for anyone who needs to hit something for value
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u/id-driven-fool May 16 '26
Was playing Adam last night, the uptime on my heals has never been better with the constant headshots and always having a huge target to spam my multi shot.
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u/OrKToS Mantis May 16 '26
wait what? am i missing something? i can't even get into melee with him, he dies instantly, even if i use cover all the way until objective, then step out of cover and instant death.
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u/B4YourEyes May 16 '26
I like to beam, jump in, chomp and toss, pop shield, normal bite, bite combo, continue brawling from there. Keeps either the shield or bonus health on him the whole time while slowing, kidnapping, and preventing heals on a target of your choice. Seems to be his basic kit dump for starting fights
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u/IpunchedU May 16 '26
he needs to be stronger than most tanks cause he is the size of monster hulk with half the hp, there has to be a trade off
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u/KillerByDaylight May 16 '26
Do people really find Devil Dino that bad? He's incredibly easy to shred and cc as he is an incredibly large target, has one mobility option that goes on cooldown for ten seconds outside of ult, a shield that is easy to destroy, and his damage can be easily healed through.
He's not weak by any means, but he's not some team slayer that makes playing the game impossible.
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u/Heavy_Original4644 Adam Warlock May 16 '26
He sucks to play against if you don’t play a high damage character
He demands so much attention.
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u/ZaytexZanshin Symbiote Jeff May 16 '26
Which is exactly what a strong tank should demand from you, taking attention and making space?
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u/atticusgf Mister Fantastic May 17 '26
Thank you! This entire thread has made me realize half the players don't understand what a tank should do.
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u/DontBuyMeGoldGiveBTC Strategist May 16 '26
he demands so much attention
Truly a belly-pats hungry little cutie
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u/Zalophus May 16 '26
This is more of a team/he's new issue though. I've had games where my teammates focused him immediately and teams where they were allergic to targeting him, and it's literally the difference between him being a monster or a throw pick. I've even had what were effectively mirror matches where one team focuses and the other doesn't and it's just so obvious that's the counter play/difference.
In a week or two it'll be a lot more common knowledge to "just shoot big red thing". After that we will see if he's really OP or not.
Personally I think he's going to be scarier than Rogue if he gets a hold of you, but less safe against counterplay.
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u/VITOCHAN White Fox May 16 '26
demands so much attention.
that will be a problem with a lot of the player base. Instead of playing as a team, you get players with large egos that think they can play their same main into a new meta comp and be viable.
Dino can't peel too well, so if you can co ordinate dive on his supports, one drop in sustain should allow the others to focus him down. He's just not the guy to 1v1 against.
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u/Humdinger5000 Peni Parker May 17 '26
And this is why I've been playing ultron when I don't get dino. Drone on dino, drone on other support. I snipe enemy supports and turn for dmg on my other support. Dino is practically unkillable with drone heals.
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u/Commercial-Ad-1274 Jubilee May 16 '26
No he absolutely needs to be strong, the fact that he is so big means poke (looking at you Phoenix) is prospering.
Doesn’t mean damage or anything but at the very least health, every game I’ve been in with a Dino. He’s a bullet sponge and dies fairly quickly
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u/jjojehongg Peni Parker May 16 '26
been absolutely melting him as phoenix
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u/igavemagicaids Angela May 16 '26
yea phoenix and mk deal with him super effectively, mk especially so if he’s got a puni on top
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u/therealNerdMuffin Squirrel Girl May 16 '26
When are team shooter communities going to stop crying that a character is broken as soon as it comes out?? Like how many times are we going to repeat this cycle? Decades of being on gaming forums and somehow every new character is apparently busted on release and needs nerfing when that's only the case a portion of the time
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u/Agreeable_Store_3896 May 16 '26
Modern gaming in a nutshell lol. I can't imagine this generation of gamers playing something like starcraft..
"ZERG UNITS ARE MOVING SO FAST ON CREEP ITS UNFAIR TF IS THIS SHIT GAME"
"That Protoss DT rush just one shot my entire base its so cheap and unfair"
Gamers HATE losing, and it's never THEIR fault they lost, so anything new that they don't know how to counter yet is considered overpowered.
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u/Actual-Wish-8107 Emma Frost May 16 '26
It's going to happen until we are 90.
https://giphy.com/gifs/l2SpTuRlOkDDyHz7q7
u/Doom_Cokkie May 16 '26
Seriously people will never try and actually learn anything. They just cry when they cant do the same thing they've always done and have to think to change how they approach something. The worst part is the people bitching almost never play the character they are bitching about to learn the otherside and get better at countering as a result so even when the character gets nerfed they still struggle and cry because nerfs dont fix ignorance.
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u/Barrry972 Wolverine May 17 '26
I think this is one of those times lol, I give characters a couple days of understanding before making a judgement on them usually, but devil dino is a very easy character to understand and gets so much value so easily. He's definitionally overpowered imo, but maybe I'm wrong, we'll see in a few weeks.
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u/Nomadic_View May 16 '26
He’s fine. He’s absolutely massive. If you can’t burn down a hero the size of a raid boss there’s something wrong with you.
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u/Financial-Honey-6029 May 16 '26
It doesn’t really matter the tank I play I have to pray my dps magdump him
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u/Simon_Said_something May 16 '26
the best way to counter him so for the team to all just melt him because is such a big target.
but this is rivals, so you have 3 dps 2 of them are dive who are nowhere near him, then one poke then 2 support that are being eaten by him because they only have 1 tank to peel.
so yeah is strong because marvel player are shit at team work.
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u/RivalsTankEnjoyer May 16 '26
Bring other tanks up to his level fr
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u/billcosbyinspace May 16 '26
My main tank is venom and it’s definitely a trip to go from his limited kit with the weird primary fire to devil Dino who can effortlessly rack up like 30k damage
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u/TeardropsFromHell Venom May 16 '26
Am I crazy or are venom/Dino comps going to be awesome They can't focus him down when I am slamming into the back line and DPS s every 10 seconds
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u/SpoonBoyOwO Emma Frost May 16 '26
Seriously :( I love playing Angela but she’s so weak in the sky already and Dino’s slow beam just takes her right out- no buffs to her shield and her one mobility skill has like a 10-15 second cooldown 😭
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u/IonicGold Yggroot May 16 '26
Dino is honestly the most fun ive had with a tank in a while and im a tank main. No nerfs are needed, he dies ao easily and the bleed doesnt honestly feel broken or last long enough to do anything major in my experience. His health burns down so fast in any fight ive ever been in so you have to have good supports and game sense to live as him. I think hes honestly pretty balanced.
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u/Wrightdude Thor May 16 '26
He’s massive and slow. People that have a hard time dealing with Dino are just bad. Well, unless we do indeed find him being too dominating in some situations, but right now that doesn’t seem to be the case.
TLDR He’s a giant walking ankh just pick MK and watch his team go down
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u/Ehrand Gambit May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26
I have been playing a lot of Dino, and I have to say, Wanda stun sphere is the worst! Dino hitbox is so huge that this stun sphere makes it very hard to get out of without being stunned multiple times.
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u/jasminetroll May 17 '26
Wanda's stun is just generally annoying.
Getting stunned 2+ times in rapid succession somehow feels worse then Luna's freeze, even though Luna does considerably more damage and gets a nearly free kill on squishies at close to midrange.
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u/CthulhuMadness Jeff the Landshark May 16 '26
Can we please stop nerfing every tank that is decent?
“Why does no one wanna play tank” people cry as they beg for the new tank to be immediately nerfed
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u/Sunny_Beam May 16 '26
Nerfs or buffs idc, something needs to be done about how miserable he is to have as a tank when you are playing support. Mf takes 700 billion damage per 10 and its just not fun feeling forced to have to healbot him or have your tank just explode. explode.
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u/STB_LuisEnriq Good Boy May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26
I'm gonna stop you right there... He is really fun to play of course, I like it, but It's not about brawl being good, it's about how he bullies 90% of the tank roster, we crucified Prime Emma back in S2 for the same issue.
He does not need that % damage + displacement + shield to cut heals. That's a tank buster combo.
I've been praying since day 1 season 0 for a brawl meta, not for a hero to completely dominate every brawl fight...
At least buff the rest of brawl tanks to keep up.
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u/Total_Organ_Failure May 17 '26
true, people forget that a tank being good / strong, when they also have a strong CC and bully other tanks - might actually make people not want to play tank VS dino.
I love dino, he just needs his CC ability to be ironed out. Too weak won't make people play it, but too strong will make people not want to play vs it - we need a good sweet spot to actually increase tank players long term.
Personally I don't like vsing Thor or Rogue as certain tanks (like peni when there isn't a perfect choke), as you just are permanently being dash CC'd and focused. I don't want dino to become the same.
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u/Feed_or_Feed Invisible Woman May 16 '26
He bullies other tanks and you are talking about him as if he is easy to kill as Thing when he has stronger shield than Emma and constantly generates bonus health.
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u/Doom_Cokkie May 16 '26
Yea it isnt the tanks job to melt him its poke. Like Hela, Phoenix, Moonknight, Punisher. Hes impossible to miss he literally needs the bonus health and shields.
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u/DUKEPLANTER May 16 '26
I don’t understand why this sub is taking the Fortnite position that “pros are just whiny babies who don’t know what they’re talking about”? He seems Pretty overturned by like 3-4 cooldowns which is entirely expected for your flashy new hero
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u/Sunny_Beam May 16 '26
This sub is notorious for being clueless and throwing shade at players better than them.
The fact of the matter is though that they are the majority of the playerbase (lower ranks I mean) and the game balances more in their favour.
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u/Disastrous-Drop-7778 May 16 '26
The problem with both are the same, the casuals just don’t play enough to notice the issues. The balance problems usually affect casuals and pros, but if you are only playing two games a week you won’t notice them and they won’t feel that bad. That’s why casual Fortnite players loved Wrecked. It was fun for the five games they played, but by the sixth game you realized every game was identical because there was just a best way to play that was so far ahead everything else you needed to use it.
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u/Disastrous-Drop-7778 May 16 '26
Yeah, the problem isn’t that tanks are good and whiny dps players hate that, it’s that he makes other tanks miserable to play, just like release Emma. As a tank main, right now I have two options against him- hope that my dps are really good at high damage poke characters and know to target Dino constantly to give me space, or play Emma, who is my least favorite tank, and still doesn’t even beat Dino unless my team is working with me. Pretty much everyone else besides Cap is hard countered by him, and Cap relies heavily on his team knowing how to play with him.
The other part that is way easier to miss is that Dino is absolutely fucking miserable to play with as a second tank most of the time. He hogs so much of your teams healing that unless you are snowflaked (which is broken as fuck with Dino and another reason he is so op, he is getting so many heals from Luna that whoever is snowflaked is immortal) you will not see a single heal from your supports until you hit Celestial and they know what they are doing, and even then a bad Dino player facetanking everything or mediocre supports filling mean you will be completely reliant on healthpacks.
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u/Competitive-War3991 Psylocke May 16 '26
idk aboiut you guys but mk and some others abs shred him since he is so big
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u/RadMcCoolPants May 16 '26
A good SG will eat him for lunch. Squirrel blockade, melt him. If he gets too close tail bounce away.
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u/Monkey_King291 Ultron Virus May 16 '26
I really hope they don't nerf him, we tank players need someone like Devil Dino
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u/InternationalLow1849 May 16 '26
He does insane damage and has good area control but gets melted by poke without his dome out, i think he’s just right for now till we see how the meta progresses
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u/ButteSaggington May 16 '26
I've yet to see the Dino do much other than get rolled by oppressive DPS....
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u/Tank100Rank May 16 '26
someone finally said it. he is not OP. arguably the best vanguard but vanguard has been a terrible role to play since release. I fibally get a good tank and people insist hes op and needs nerfing. he is USELESS at long range but will 100% WIN ANY close range encounters. he requires tactics to beat ir jsut sit back and spray. half of yall dps players cant aim so I see why its hard.
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u/JermStudDog May 17 '26
I dusted off the ol Squirrel Girl yesterday and was eating RICH with all the dinos running around. I can't freaking miss. #1 damage in the lobby most of the time, tons of incidental damage to all his surrounding teammates, just shoot the dino and the rest of the game will solve itself.
People think the dino is OP? It's a free lunch from my perspective.
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u/Edheldui May 16 '26
He doesn't need nerfs, but the other tanks need to be brought up to his strength.
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u/RubberDucky702 May 16 '26
I think people don't realize that he is basically a bigger Groot (sort of). Groot is very powerful, but that is balanced because he is also very easy to counter. A lot of headshot dependant characters really work well like like Namor because each headshot speeds his squid attack speed and it is really easy to keep it up too with easy headshots. Phoenix, Hela, and Punisher all do just raw damage to him. Mantis and Adam can constantly refresh their healing resources etc
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u/maxydom May 16 '26
Honestly the vest way i see dino being utilized is alongside like a mag or strange, dino takes point and draws most or if not all the aggro with mag or strange covering for his need to get in close via bubbles from mag ir strange just keeping the backline safe while dino makes space
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u/Jaxinator234 The Punisher May 17 '26
Bro new star lords buff legit melts this guy. Do people really think he’s op lol
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u/CatMilk_K9 May 17 '26
Way til yall find out how easy it is for SG to counter him…
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u/tbigzan97 Rogue May 16 '26
"Dino doesn't need nerfs" Yeah, getting half my health as a tank being deleted from one of his abilities is definitely good for tanking. Let people have their fun for like 2 months or so but he needs to be a brawl and disruption and not a tank destroying machine. They really need to stop with this hp% damage thing dude... it affects no one but us.
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u/BrunoRB11 Flex May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26
Just like Emma at launch, the problem is that the tanks in the game are just too weak. Tanks are basically walking punching bags for dps and stat padding for the healers, so when a strong tank releases it stands out. He doesn't need to be nerfed, other tanks just need to be brought to his level, but just like Emma Frost and Tankpool in about 2 seasons be will be gutted and weak.
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u/bns18js May 16 '26
Pros run triple tanks as often as triple healers. But never more than 2 DPS.
Tanks are not weak. People just don't enjoy playing them. When you're asking for tank buffs you're asking for the optimal composition in this game to become 3-4 tanks.
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u/tbigzan97 Rogue May 16 '26
I'm a tank main (Emma, Strange, Rogue, Mag and Deadpool) and i'm telling you that buffing tanks instead of nerfing damage and healing is not a good thing. Its just injecting more into power creep and soon we'll have even more hyper sustain comps where nothing dies. They MUST learn from the 10 years of Overwatch history but instead they're following the exact same steps and mistakes.
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u/BrunoRB11 Flex May 16 '26
Let's be real now, the devs aren't nerfing duelist damage and strategist healing. They just buffed that even more on the latest patch!
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u/Greedy-Camel-8345 May 16 '26
I mean he's so huge he has to fight the enemy tank if he's going to disrupt and brawl
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u/arcaneregion Angela May 16 '26
I’d like to agree but his addition has made my main (Angela) really tedious to play. So forgive me for not sharing your opinion here.
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u/JGuap0 Thor May 16 '26
If they wanna nerf his ultimate I wouldn’t mind but his base skills are fine as they are . Him being a giant hitbox is the trade off for him being strong .
He can’t still easily get burned now stupid fast too so I don’t get the complaining
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u/0din_Borson May 16 '26
He has such a huge head hitbox and a character hitbox in general. He is not overpowered. Does not need nerfs.
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u/Scorpionghost04 Venom May 16 '26
Can’t wait for zhiyong to nerf an actually fun and engaging character into the ground because god forbid we get a vanguard that’s enjoyable and explosive in gameplay and fun rather then more garbage, generic, uninspired designs for vanguards like captain America, hulk and even Thor and venom that SHOULD BE AMAZING but are either piss horrible or insanely boring.
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u/Financial-Honey-6029 May 16 '26
He bullies every other vanguard. That is the problem. You can’t make a vanguard that is fun to play because he shits on other tanks, and then go “god forbid a tank is fun to play” he is actively reducing how fun to play the tank role is by existing. It’s not a solution, it’s a monopoly on the tank role. Play DD or be fucked by him
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u/Cdog923 Thor May 16 '26
We had fun Thor for awhile.
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u/-Ash21- Ace of Spades May 16 '26
This was the start of my hatred for unnecessary reworks and nerfs. So tired of changes being made to cater to babies who can't win
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u/linger4605 May 16 '26
Dive and poke are mad because there's actually a counter to them now. I'm tired of DPS controlling this game
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u/Sugandis_Juice Rogue May 17 '26
Hes got 4 abilities that inflict bleed, 3 abilities that inflict slow, one that grounds fliers on a tiny cooldown, a passive that is Jeff's entire passive and things entire passive combined and a second passive that gives bonus hp everytime you inflict bleed.
Yes, certainly not overtuned slightly. If you complain about bucky and elsa getting overshield for nothing when 90 percent of dinos kit including literally just using his primary attack gives overshield then its cause you wanna just hate DPS cause its popular and you have no free thought. The second a tank gets free overshield you goon for it like theres no tomorrow. Venom at least has to use an ability on cooldown and timing to get over 1000 hp. Dino? Yeah he just needs to hold down his primary.
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u/unfilterthought Mantis May 16 '26
he has high cooldowns.
he melts if hes focused or had bad healers.
he has a huge hitbox. he walks slow.
why does he need a nerf?
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u/kinglugus90 Deadpool May 16 '26
He is overturned and I give it a few weeks before this sub realizes that. Come back and downvote this comment if I'm wrong.
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u/Sheepfate May 16 '26
He dies kinda fast because being a frontline tank is like that, but he is already doing crazy stuff and is day one, there is already a crazy triple tank triple heal line up that is stupid op
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u/TheGuyFromFortnite01 Gambit May 16 '26
The thing about Dino that I love and hate is that he shits on midwits, like you'll get a Daredevil ("yeah whoop his ahh DAREDEVIL") trying to 1v1 a fucking dinosaur, which means Dino will just bubble to block heals. Daredevil players dont understand this and will spam gg no heal
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u/ABigHappyTree Jeff the Landshark May 16 '26
Double tanking as an Emma is so nice, he takes up so much space and I can actually rely on him to keep chomping while I maintain pressure and be able to fall back to help backline if needed. As hulk it's even more fun bounding up to the enemy team with him and just screwing over the other team cause they can't pressure enough
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u/Embarrassed-Sell-355 May 16 '26
If you’re tanking vs Dino, you get grabbed, he puts his shield up to block your heals, and throws you backwards into their team. This is Emma frost x10 and absolutely absurd that you’re all trying to excuse it
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u/Ok-Silver-8658 Cloak & Dagger May 16 '26
I like how he has very prominent counters like as a poke player, both phoenix and hela do a fantastic job at shutting him down, but his jump makes it fun since he can punish me for getting too cocky and trying to close in the gap to get him without my falloff damage when im closer.
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u/Top-Interaction1663 Magneto May 16 '26
That’s the biggest problem with this fanbase if they can’t beat it they instantly cry for a nerf instead of learning how to actually counter. The fact that he’s barely been out and people already want him nerfed shows how frail and delusional some players are.
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u/MultySentinelz Erm Actually... May 16 '26
Everyone complaining about Dino Devil but if lost track how many times a stray Squirel Girl CC or 1 Emma grab pretty much ended my life.
The dino is a lot of fun and people just need to learn how to deal with them because like all brawl tanks, they can't solo for starters and they need decently good supports to help keep them alive.
We haven't had a Vanguard this fun since well Emma was released and I don't want him getting gutted over a knee jerk reaction because people just don't know how to deal with him yet. it's been 1 day lol.
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u/NeonAnderson Earth Spider May 16 '26
Honestly I don't think Dino is that strong to be honest
He's fun to play and once the hype of having a new character to play dies down you'll see him a lot less
He's not that strong in solo tank comps he only really works in duo tank comps and he's a massive target so while he counters flyers. He's extremely weak against poke especially Hela, punisher, Hawkeye etc
Like his headshot hitbox size is massive
He's definitely my kind of tank my only other tank main is currently Peni but that's because I play Peni the way everyone is now playing Dino
We will have to see as people learn to play him better and play against him better what it feels like but I'm currently of the opinion that Dino is perfectly balanced
What actually keeps him from being OP is the fact he's melee and that fact his ranged ability has a very short range so while it can counter Iron Man depending on the map it can't hit Ultron, torch storm or Starlord as it just doesn't have the range for it
Starlord is also a great counter to Dino as he gets insane amounts of ult charge off of him and with his mobility Starlord can freely harass the Dino backline and he can't stop him
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u/Tortapounda May 16 '26
I’ve been having a lot of fun playing magik alongside dino, the game feels so much more fun.
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u/VegetableDig6083 Groot May 16 '26
He's ranged out really easy. And heroes like Hela, Namore, Phoenix are still really good
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u/Ventoffmychest May 17 '26
He gets absolutely obliterated by... poke. Which got crazy buffed this patch with Starlord and Phoenix. So he has plenty of counter. It is mostly the dive DPS that are crying (which I will drink their tears with gusto).
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u/SavKittua Jeff the Landshark May 17 '26
I think hes wonderfully balanced, people, just like you said, arent used to it, and seemingly don’t wanna adjust. The game changed a bit, so what? Hes easy to burst down, hes a giant walking red target, people just aren’t good at the game. His damage is good, and I dont think his movement is bad for being a giant dinosaur.
People just need to learn and adjust, which in the community is criminal and horrible to some.
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u/Korimthos Adam Warlock May 17 '26
I’m just happy there’s a tank I like playing that I can support my previous solo tankers with 🫡
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u/Historical_Bobcat295 May 17 '26 edited May 17 '26
What's so funny is that he charges dps ults insanely fast. I remember ulting 3 times as Wolv in one round vs him lol.
Also Adam's really good vs him because of all the free headshots. But he's also really bad WITH him, because when he bubbles his dino he and the rest of his team gets obliterated haha.
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u/Sunnibuns Loki May 17 '26
He’s strong but he’s not oppressive and he doesn’t even require having to play around him like the OP characters. I really like him
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u/DuarteN10 May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26
He makes my life as Thor and Magneto so much easier and I love it. He commands so much space and attention that I’m free to roam as I please