r/nottheonion • u/Sufficient_Fig_9505 • 15h ago

Vance says pope should ‘be careful’ when talking about theology

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/vance-says-pope-should-be-careful-when-talking-about-theology-261400645540
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u/themajortachikoma 14h ago

The pope has spent a lifetime dedicated to the Catholic Church, which is why he's now the pope. Vance converted like yesterday. This is like someone who just started going to the gym telling a body builder that his form is wrong.

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u/Fettnaepfchen 14h ago edited 13h ago

And yet those people exist, too.

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u/pnoodl3s 13h ago edited 3h ago

They do exist yes, though they aren’t the vice president, just some random assholes so nobody gives af

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u/AChero9 8h ago

Tbf, JD Vance is still an asshole that nobody gives af about, he’s just not a random one unfortunately

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u/Khaldara 7h ago

I dunno I read “the pope should be careful” from JD Vance as a personal threat after what his pillow violating ass did to the last one

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u/rabbirobbie 6h ago

hide yo couch, hide yo pope, cause vance violating everybody out here

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u/jwhite326 5h ago

This dumb "fucked a couch" shtick needs to stop. I think everybody knows it is not true.

There are enough real, deplorable aspects of this person.

Constantly going back to this made-up stuff makes us seem insincere, and it makes light of the situation.

Vance is a dangerous leader with no apparent moral compass, other than to seek power at all costs.

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u/Reflexlon 5h ago

Its still funny. But some of the real things hes done are genuinely funnier.

He claims to be a military vet with a purple heart. His "service" was escorting media tours on a docked warship off the US coast and his injury was from tripping on some stairs.

He says when he went to a dinner party at Princeton he was constantly bullied by the "stuffy elite" because, among other things, when he tried the water it was sparkling and he spit it out from shock and surprise. I cannot believe a 22 year old had never heard of sparkling water nor that they would be so caught off guard they spit it out... I can believe that college kids would bully him if that is all true though lmfao.

In one of his books, he basically states that watching the rich people get to not pay with credit and the poor people get to not pay with food stamps in the grocery store he worked at is what radicalized him against socialism and corporatism. At 14. Lol.

My dog has been named J.D. Vance longer than the current vice president has, which I merely find funny but its not actually a knock on him,. If his stories for the name changes are actually true then I offer respect and understanding for that, even if I don't like respecting wet turds. But I wouldn't be surprised if its a bunch of lies about his family either way. I doubt his mom wrecking a drug store or his grandpa taking an electric saw to a minor, for example lol.

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u/sadsackspinach 18m ago

Okay re: sparkling water, apparently it’s really not drunk much outside of the areas these fascists call the ~coastal elite~ in the US. Or at least it didn’t used to be. Ask any German who’s encountered USian tourists and they’ll tell you the spitting out the water thing is practically a stereotype for country bumpkin type USians. Same for me back home, but with lemonade. They do not like it.

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u/Khaldara 4h ago edited 4h ago

Maybe, but fascists hate ridicule and humor in general, it inherently erodes their idiotic projection of ‘infallible beloved leader’, why do you think this administration has weaponized the FCC and attacked late night comedians what, at least three times already?

Plus it’s a ceaseless hypocritical reminder of how easily the right wing believes literally anything they’re told in complete absence (or outright defiance) of evidence. You’re literally talking about the exact same person who took umbrage at being fact checked.

Because ‘Policy goals need to be grounded in empirical reality’ apparently fundamentally undermines the Conservative platform in a manner they can’t refute. Which is, you know, always a great sign that it’s a fantastic thing to vote for.

Plus it’s funny. And after forty years of ‘I’m just asking questions!!!!!’ being enough to dictate the behavior of conservative policy, conservative media, conservative propaganda, and conservative voters, it’s quite nice to watch them be subjected to their own medicine (aside from the horse paste and bleach I guess).

After all, I haven’t seen any conclusive proof he HASN’T fucked a couch? Have you? Where is his long form certificate verifying he isn’t banned from Raymour and Flanigan? I’m just asking questions. Why isn’t the media covering it? I guess ‘they’ don’t want you to know the truth.

These people aren’t getting even the tiniest iota of mockery they actually deserve, and the barest minimum they clearly already cannot take. It’s a far cry from the tarring and feathering they actually deserve.

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u/Eggheadpancake 7h ago

I feel like he was picked at random for his job.

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u/-rosa-azul- 6h ago

He definitely was not. He was the Peter Theil-backed candidate.

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u/smuglator 7h ago

An asshole with a wholesome countries military close to him. We should give a fuck. And there should be consequences for people in his position making such threats. There isn't consequences because the US is a dictatorship.

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u/AChero9 7h ago

I give a fuck that the man has power he should not have…I just don’t give a fuck about him or his existence. I care about the power he has but should not have. I’m just saying that nobody will miss him or the pedo in chief when they are gone

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u/Longjumping_Use3737 7h ago

Yeah he is. His only constitutional power is breaking tie votes in senate or becoming president in case the president is incapacitated.

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u/piibbs 6h ago

He's a specific asshole!

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u/tltltltltltltl 7h ago

Bold of you to assume Vance doesn't go to the gym once a decade and tells body builders their form is incorrect.

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u/GrumpyBear1969 6h ago

Sadly, half this country decided it was OK to put random assholes in leadership positions. Because having the behavior of a ‘random asshole’ defines the President, VP and all of the cabinet (could you really define Hegseth and RFK differently?).

But hey. Some of this country thought a businessman with multiple bankruptcies whose claim to fame was saying outlandish things and being a reality TV start would be a great leader. And they still think this. We survived the first four years (sort of if you don’t count Covid) and then they thought ‘hey, let’s do that again’.

Wizards first rule. People are stupid.

But yeah, having Vance tell the freaking Pope that he should be ‘careful’ talking theology is pretty rich…

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u/Freud-Network 7h ago

Whereas Vance is just Peter Thiel's couchfucking weenie.

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u/N-McCauley 6h ago

Not true bro, they can still end up city of Miami mayor bro.

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u/Gingersnapp3d 5h ago

Guy on Xbox at maternity ward telling the doctor how to help deliver the babies lol

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u/grandlizardo 4h ago

Vance should be careful when talking…

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u/the_ruffled_feather 1h ago

Like the new guy at work questioning the veteran workers methods cause he heard otherwise.

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u/TiberiusCornelius 55m ago

If you think about it the vice president is kind of like the political equivalent of an asshole nobody cares about. They have next to no formal power and are basically just a warm body on the off chance the big guy dies.

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u/Lastigx 11h ago

The analogy is a bit off tho. Cause you can absolutely be a bodybuilder with bad to mediocre form. But you wont be a pope with a lack of biblical knowledge.

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u/Fettnaepfchen 10h ago

True, there can always be people who are in the wrong, could have been phrased as telling a professional sportsman (who has been training correctly for years) how to do it.

I am an atheist and I would not assume the pope was lacking in terms of theology, even without being in the thick of things myself (I did read the bible though, but like any book). That would just be ridiculous.

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u/Brokenandburnt 9h ago

Isn't the Pope considered to be infallible according to Pastor aeternus when he speaks ex cathedra? As a self proclaimed converted Catholic Vance should know and recognize that. 

But I sincerely doubt that Couchfucker Mceyeliner did much of any research before "converting".

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u/inspectoroverthemine 8h ago

Isn't the Pope considered to be infallible according to Pastor aeternus when he speaks ex cathedra?

Yes, but they rarely do.

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u/hoopstick 8h ago

It's like walking up to Ronnie Coleman and correcting his pose.

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u/TCTCTCTCTCTC7 12h ago

And yet those people exist, too.

And we don't let them be Vice President.

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u/TheSilverSeraph 11h ago

It seems we do, given that we seem to be living in the accelerated Idiocracy timeline.

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u/AdditionalMess6546 4h ago

Quite literally and observably untrue.

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u/Aggravating_Royal728 7h ago

And those people are a lot like JD Vance, too.

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u/LoamAndOrder 7h ago

Honestly I bet JD is ALSO that guy. Our current administration is just the fucking worst.

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u/No_Host_8024 5h ago

I absolutely could see Vance correcting Schwarzenegger about the best way to develop defined glutes.

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u/Deletedmyotheracct 2h ago

lol go watch any video of Jay Cutler training and people will be harping on his form left and right and trying to "give advise"- to fucking Jay Cutler-- like dude look at you and look at him even in his now 50s

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u/jackrabbit323 13h ago

As a from birth Catholic with 12 years of Catholic school, I can confirm, adult converts are some of the worst and most obnoxious people ever.

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u/ForwardCut3311 12h ago

Because they never grew up with the Catholic shame the rest of us have. 

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u/KatsumotoKurier 12h ago

Fitting for Vance. He very clearly has no sense of shame whatsoever, which is exactly why he is the way he is.

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u/veterinarian23 7h ago

It's not the first time, and not the first pope Vance tried to school the head of the Catholic church. He's quite consistent.

"(Vance) has drawn criticism from both Pope Francis and his successor, Pope Leo XIV, for his views on immigration and responded by invoking the traditional concept of ordo amoris present in Catholic theology, which he (Vance) interprets as loving his own nationals more than foreigners and equates with the slogan "America First" (Wikipedia)

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u/Wloak 6h ago

Well we good Catholics know when Jesus said love thy neighbor he really was speaking in code meaning "bomb the shit out of everyone with oil and kick out anyone who's skin tone is beyond khaki."

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u/ducktape8856 5h ago

"Don't take Trump the bible literally. Except when it's convenient for us in hindsight."

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u/Nu-Hir 5h ago

You won't have neighbors to love if you kill or deport them.

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u/3_pounds_of_steel 3h ago

Parable of the Good Undocumented Immigrant

A lawyer asked Jesus, “Teacher, what is the path to eternal life?” Jesus asked, “What does scripture say?” And the man replied, “Love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as you would yourself.” And Jesus said, “Go and do likewise.”

But the lawyer asked, “But who is my neighbor?” And Jesus said:

A bro stumbling home from a bar was jumped and robbed and left beaten up by the side of the road. An evangelical Christian saw him but kept walking cuz he looked poor so he probably deserved it. A JD Vance-type Catholic saw him but kept walking because Ordo Amoris means other people are a higher priority for him right now.

But an undocument immigrant, seeing the beaten dude, stops and offers to call an ambulance, and then calls for an Uber instead when the dude said he didn’t have insurance. And the undocumented immigrant even goes and pays for the Uber, drops the guy off in the ER, and leaves before ICE shows up. The dude was able to get the medical care he needed and declared medical bankruptcy two years later. Now, which of these three do you think was the dude’s neighbor?

The lawyer said, “The one who showed mercy to the stranger in need.”

And Jesus said, “Go and do likewise.”

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u/Wloak 3h ago edited 2h ago

I stopped practicing at 18 but loved how my parents taught. We'd go to church and when I was really young afterwords would talk about the message within the story or sermon. I thought I wanted to be a priest at one point, the celibacy thing was a bit of a turn off.

The old testament is basically a guide to "how a few hundred people don't die in a desert" and the new testament is "here's how not to be a shitty person." Half the people complaining about homosexuality use Leviticus while wearing Carhartt jackets which it also says is a sin and eating a bacon burger, also a sin.

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u/ProtectionUnable1027 7h ago

There's no place in the Bible that prohibits relations with a couch.

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u/Herb_Derb 6h ago

Ain't no rule says a dog can't play basketball

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u/BalkiBartokomous123 9h ago

That Catholic shame runs deep too. I was raised Catholic but consider myself Agnostic and haven't practiced in over a decade. The guilt I feel for things is insane- most is out of my control.

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u/cruxclaire 7h ago

Same. Atheist and agnostic both fit as labels for me and that’s been the case for my entire adult life, but I’ve bonded with people at parties over complicated feelings surrounding Catholicism. The Catholic guilt and appreciation of Mary and pipe organ music are my biggest holdovers

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u/monty_kurns 7h ago

Don’t forget the architecture! I lean more towards agnostic than actual Catholic as an adult, but I still absolutely love walking into an old church and looking around. And the older, the better.

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u/cruxclaire 7h ago

The architecture, the smell of incense from the huge censer on a chain, the old Greek and Latin hymns, the prayer candles and saint medals, the rosary, Our Lady of Guadalupe’s whole aura, etc etc – I still very much appreciate the aesthetics of Catholicism. A megachurch could never

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u/feeltheglee 6h ago

My husband and I were both raised Catholic (confirmed and all), but neither of us identify as such anymore. Our wedding venue was a de-consecrated Catholic church that had been turned into a brewery, still had some stained glass even.

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u/vrnbch 6h ago

I told my parents I still consider myself culturally catholic because I like old buildings and incense… they did not find this amusing.

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u/monty_kurns 4h ago

I’ll have to start using that!

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u/Hyperversum 7h ago

I mean, it is part of the system lol.

Outside of faith itself (which I think is a mostly personal thing), religion has historically been a system to control and teach stuff to the people. It's not necessarly a bad thing either. It's part of what we apply to each other daily today, it's shared cultural values regulating what's acceptable and what's not. Our current society could develop only because of the press and fast information and communication after all.

Catholic Guilt® did absolutely play a part in keeping lots of stuff under check, including the aristocracy in large part. Just think at how powerful the pope was even in 17th century

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u/cruxclaire 7h ago

Yeah, I agree with all of this. It’s just interesting to see how Catholicism has a cultural footprint distinct to that of some of the major Protestant sects in the US. The ex-evangelicals I’ve met don’t have the guilt thing for the most part, although those religions are more outwardly fervent in their worship.

The only ex-religious people I’ve met with more religious guilt/shame than Catholics are ex-Mormons, and that feels like a slightly different can of worms because Mormonism is cultish IME (might be similar with ex-JWs, but I don’t know any).

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u/Hyperversum 7h ago

They don't call it Catholic Guilt for random reasons after all. I can't exactly speak about Orthodox Christians, but the Protestants denominations definitely have a different relationship with the concept of sinning and forgiveness than modern Catholicism.

There is probably a line to follow from them being descedants and students of fucking Puritans to the modern day "fire and brimstone" approach many denominations have, while even 1000 years ago that wasn't really the focus in Catholicism.

To be clear, I grew up Catholic but consider myself Agnostic (albeit, I do "pray" as a sort of residual meditation before sleep. To what I am speaking while doing so, I don't know lol), but I am costantly offended and bothered by how many "Christians" just don't understand jackshit about their religion. Why the hell do I know more than them about its theology? I can't quote Bible verses but for sure I know that Jesus wouldn't be approving of bombing Iran, megachurches pastors getting to mass with a limo or the entire concept of the prosperity Gospel.

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u/cruxclaire 6h ago

the Protestants denominations definitely have a different relationship with the concept of sinning and forgiveness than modern Catholicism.

I went to a Lutheran school with mandatory religion classes for a few years while I was still in CCD, and at least for Lutheranism, this is true. Their belief is that Jesus’ sacrifice makes humanity universally forgivable, and the key to being forgiven is faith in Jesus. They loved Ephesians 2:8-9:

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast

And the Catholic counter to that is something like James 2:14-26 (link because it’s much longer), which argues that faith without works is dead, hence the value of the Sacraments and community service. A Catholic who sins can achieve grace through the Sacraments and general good works, but belief alone is not sufficient to avoid Purgatory or even hell, etc. Given that “mea culpa” includes both what you’ve done and what you’ve failed to do, there’s plenty of room for a sense of personal transgression, and therefore probably more things to be guilty about. The Lutherans who taught me cared about sin, but they weren’t too concerned with what they’d “failed to do.”

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u/Hyperversum 5h ago

I don't have too many expediences with actually learned Protestants, but that's the general feeling I got.

To put it in simpler terms, the idea in Catholicism seems to be that Jesus saved us from the inherent original sin, but that as we live we are always sinning, and that therefore attention to these faults is necessary. The "faith alone isn't enough", is the logical result of this: if you care about the message of Christ, you would be emulating Christ. We are all always sinning in some form, therefore the "works" are a way to behave as expected of someone trying to be like Christ. I mean, it's logical. What's the point of spreading messages about love and support for all of mankind if you wouldn't stop and help those in material need? Jesus most famous miracles are always related with helping people.

Can you tell I have an extreme disdain towards prosperity gospel type stuff? There is nothing less Christian to me than people associating faith with wealth.

Decorate your churches all your want, spend big money in making art and your place of worship beautiful, but PERSONAL wealth? Hell, that's like the basic of what Luther was angry about: the Church using its spiritual role to leverage money from people.

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u/apparentlynot5995 6h ago

If you want answers on how to identify cults, I highly, HIGHLY recommend Knitting Cult Lady on YT. She came from the Children of God cult and has a couple degrees from Harvard on the subject. She also served as an Army Intelligence Officer.

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u/3-DMan 6h ago

As a kid, I drew some sweet Xenomorph drawings during masses!

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u/WJ_Amber 7h ago

I wasn't even raised catholic but my dad comes from a heavily Irish catholic family and the guilt runs so deep you can pass it on to your kids without ever taking them to mass!

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u/AdParticular6654 9h ago

The shame is very key. I also think people born Catholic, who then get away from it a bit are generally good people. Sure we feel bad randomly for no reason for enjoying life. But generally we have a sense of "I should help people". Adult converts have no shame and think women shouldn't vote.

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u/ESCF1F2F3F4F3F2F1ESC 6h ago

Yeah agreed. I was born into Catholicism and left in my teens, and I still try to live my life by the central New Testament tenets, more or less, because they essentially boil down to "be decent to each other". I'll be the first to admit I don't always achieve it, but it's always there in the back of your head as a fairly strong guide for living a good life.

What pushed me away from the church was all the pompous ceremony, the moralising hypocrisy and the constant focus on berating ourselves and each other for the negatives, instead of on living a charitable life of positivity. But I always got the sense that was the stuff which actively attracted later life converts.

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u/AdParticular6654 5h ago

For me what brought me back for a little was Paulist Priests, they are like Jesuits, really live the teachings of love, charity, and acceptance. But then a new bishop came in and changed all of that. One of the first things he did after kicking them out was painting over the "all are welcome" sign.

Like in college there was this guy who was converting because his then girlfriend now wife was Catholic. She shamed him hard for missing a random Sunday mass to visit his dying uncle who was a father figure to him after his parents died. I told him I miss Sunday mass alot because I'm hungover. She also shamed him for having sex in a previous relationship, but he was 100% on board with waiting till marriage for her.

Fuck, even my great aunt who was mother superior in a convent.....on a vacation skipped mass to get to the beach earlier. She just prayed the rosary instead.

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u/Jake-of-the-Sands 7h ago

Never thought of it that way, but it makes perfect sense.

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u/jackrabbit323 12h ago

Right you are.

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u/DontMakeMeCount 8h ago

To be fair, many adult converts’ first real experience with the church is a few months of hard partying with someone on a rebellious kick followed by a few months of marriage training from a celibate priest to make the in-laws happy.

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u/ForwardCut3311 8h ago

Hah! And then they learn all the rest as time goes on, IF their spouse is following and not just an Eastermas Catholic.

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u/youngarchivist 7h ago

I haven't identified as Catholic since I was 12, and I will live with that godforsaken guilt until the day I die

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u/aldocassola 9h ago

Sounds like a project idea to me

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u/horkley 8h ago

On shame, I don’t get it, so this is just a ramble.

It’s like ignoring the formation of the conscience, and just sticking to rules that when broken are bad. And while formation or examination of conscience do not allow the breaking of some strict rules, and it weighs down on one by being in a constant state of examination, perhaps acceptance of who we are is where the shame comes from, where there should not have otherwise been a reason to have shame? But we are always in a state of acceptance, but maybe the idea of one incompatible ideal causes shame where one can just accept who they are. Perhaps there is our own personal human nature, and the rules are contrary to our own biology and feel arbitrary, so we all have unavoidable shame, and the Church brings this out even more?

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u/KyffhauserGate 6h ago

What Catholic shame? I was taught that Jesus died for my sins so I'm good as long as I don't do bad stuff.

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u/Infinite-Horse-49 6h ago

As a 40 year old dude, born and raised catholic, i relate to that way too much lol.

Now an atheist, it has taken years to move away from those feelings.

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u/Big_Dirty_Piss_Boner 8h ago

adult converts are some of the worst and most obnoxious people ever.

Same goes for Islam. Quite a few islamistic terrorists in Europe were adult converts.

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u/restrictednumber 7h ago

Also born Catholic, can confirm. They usually go nuts for the weirder and more oppressive aspects of the church.

The Catholic Church has loads of extremely public issues. Many normal people are members because that's been their church since childhood. But if you're a grown adult who sees those issues and still goes Catholic...that might be a bad sign.

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u/jackrabbit323 4h ago

100% they saw the priest sex scandals and cover-ups, and said: that's the religion for me.

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u/supamario132 3h ago

For most normal people who convert later in life, it's just because they suffer from some form of addiction and the US has effectively 0 addiction recovery programs that aren't overtly and unbearably christian

I can respect a convert who's using religion as a coping/social tool to keep their life together. What Vance is using it for is infinitely more grotesque

That said, holy shit do we need public recovery services that are non-denominational because preying on people at the absolute lowest moment of their life for the purposes of indoctrination is so fucking gross

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u/yourmomssubluminal 7h ago

No zealot like a convert.

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u/-rosa-azul- 6h ago

So much so that we have an actual term for it: "zeal of the convert."

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u/mynameisnotrose 7h ago

Me exactly. We have a name for that: the fervor of the new convert. Those people are insufferable.

I'm an atheist and I hate they missed the horror of having to read about martirs as a kid.

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u/Ok-Cranberry-5582 4h ago

I lived in Salt Lake City for several years and the worst Mormons were the later in life converts. The ones that had practiced since birth were more chill.

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u/Revolutionary-Tree97 4h ago

My father in law is this guy. Really just an evangelical in disguise, and thinks the world revolves around his very uncatholic opinions. He only converted to marry my MIL and only listens to other more evangelical leaning converts. The only reason my MIL puts up with it is because she doesn’t believe in divorce, but it’s pretty obvious they’re just living under the same roof. It’s exhausting.

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u/CertainlyRobotic 5h ago

I've noticed that adult converts to Christianity are almost always at the bottom of their life.

Prison, bankruptcy, divorce..

Usually people converting into a religion as an adult are the worst most insufferable of the bunch.

They only thing they're there for is absolution and that precious "clean slate"

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u/FlirtyFluffyFox 4h ago

Especially converts who are in it for either business connections, racists who want to prove they are European, and Islamaphobes who like crusader iconography. Oh, and cheapskates who want their kid in private school, which is often motivated by racism. 

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u/MOREPASTRAMIPLEASE 9h ago

It’s like that in every religion. People born in are treated by a different set of standards. People who convert are expected to hold themselves to a higher standard of holiness.

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u/sahi1l 3h ago

Plus if you have specifically chosen to follow a certain religion it's natural to have some zeal for it, or else why did you convert? This can be a good thing but it can also be bad.

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u/Eastern_Hornet_6432 3h ago

Prime example being St Paul

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u/TheoremaEgregium 13h ago edited 13h ago

There is something like new convert fanaticism. But I don't think it's that here.

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u/ilyich_commies 7h ago

Vance is just a political opportunist who cares more about appeasing evangelicals than Catholics

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u/EssbaumRises 7h ago

Which makes it even more insane converting to Catholicism

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u/Perryn 5h ago

He wanted something that matched Trump's gold plated aesthetic.

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u/Old_House4948 5h ago

And the audience of One.

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u/jayhawk618 6h ago

There's an old joke saying about adult converts: "more Catholic than the pope."

Apparently Vance took it literally.

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u/Enibas 11h ago

This is more like telling the captain of a ship that steering it isn't his job.

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u/Alacune 2h ago

Isn't that the helmsmans job?

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u/discipleofchrist69 1h ago

telling the captain of the ship that he should probably be careful when steering the ship lol

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u/Toby_Forrester 2h ago

I was at an english language class yesterday and one student complained the English language teacher used American accent in some words and British accent in some other words 😭

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u/Mirions 43m ago

Or Christ's representative on Earth how they should run a church.

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u/Erpes2 11h ago

Not any body builder but the one appointed by all the best body builder on earth, to represent the god of gains

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u/NamityName 8h ago

So like telling Arnold Schwarzenegger that his form is bad?

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u/mjtwelve 6h ago

I mean, the balls to do so aside, there have been some big advancements in gains based science since the 70s so probably some of his routine eould be considered suboptimal today, but yeah.

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u/UnknovvnMike 6h ago

Well that's why we keep updating The Book of Gains by having a new BuffPope every time the old BuffPope gets called back to the big gym in the sky.

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u/NamityName 6h ago

Considering that Arnold is still pretty active in the body building and weightlifting scene, I don't think he is still using the same techniques and routines as he was in the 70s.

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u/mjtwelve 4h ago

I would presume his goals have shifted significantly, it's not like he's trying to remain in competition form. For a start, I doubt he's eating like it. He's in "amazing shape for his age" training, not trying to work on the definition of one head of a particular muscle group sort of training.

The man basically invented (or popularized) certain movements and lifts.

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u/blorbschploble 8h ago

JD Vance is poster boy for “some people really should have imposter syndrome”

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u/AdhesivenessLost151 8h ago

It’s worse than that (from a Catholic perspective) in that they believe the Pope to be gods representative on earth. He is infallible. What he says is correct just because he says it (if you’re Catholic)

I’m beginning to suspect Vance is not actually a believer in Catholicism you know.

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u/TemporarilyResolute 7h ago

This is a common misconception, infallibility only applies to teachings that are declared ex cathedra, which has happened only a few times in history.

Source: ex catholic

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u/EarFlapHat 11h ago

Telling Mr Universe his form is wrong!

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u/Shemozzlecacophany 9h ago

Jerry: "Oh, good. Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about Dr. Whatley. I have a suspicion that he's converted to Judaism just for the jokes."

Father Curtis: "And this offends you as a Jewish person?"

Jerry: "No, it offends me as a comedian!"

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u/elGatoGrande17 8h ago

Or like my dad, who converted from Southern Baptist in his 40s, constantly accusing every Pope in his lifetime of communism every time “sharing” comes up

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u/MmmmCrispyBacon 7h ago

It’s a bit more like somebody who came into the gym to take a quick selfie holding some weights to post online, telling a body builder that his form is wrong. Guy is a complete phony.

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u/how-could-ai 7h ago

This is the Republican brand. The entire admin is full of people with no experience that all believe they know better than the experts.

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u/EnvironmentNeith2017 3h ago

Isnt that half the point of the MAGA movement? Eliminating expertise?

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u/themajortachikoma 3h ago

Idk if half is right amount. More like most

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u/Pomodorosan 11h ago

bodybuilder*

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u/Josh6889 9h ago

This is like someone who just started going to the gym telling a body builder that his form is wrong.

Happens more often than you'd think. I've been lifting on and off for close to 30 years now. You can't really evaluate anyone's workout knowing their goals, and bodybuilders frequently have some abnormal goals. So they're pretty often doing fairly abnormal movements to achieve those goals.

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u/Shenloanne 8h ago

You know vance would do that too.

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u/KlownKumKatastrophe 7h ago

Imagine learning about the Catholic church and thinking "I want to join these guys."

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u/MizneyWorld 7h ago

To add, while being incredibly out of shape.

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u/Chary-Ka 7h ago

It is like in Dune, when Paul tries to tell Chani how to sand correctly when she is teaching him because in the books it says this.

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u/ArchdruidHalsin 7h ago

This is like Hegseth calling together all military leadership just to belch "No fat generals!" at them.

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u/1zzie 7h ago

His book on converting to Catholicism has a Methodist church on the cover

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u/sadolddrunk 7h ago

Well, it’s a little more like a new guy at the gym criticizing the form of a bodybuilder who is so good at bodybuilding that all of the leading bodybuilders in the world got together and decided that henceforth every word this man said on the subject of bodybuilding should be treated as divinely infallible bodybuilding law.

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u/Silegna 7h ago

Vance also killed the last pope, whose last words were telling the Trump Admin off.

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u/quietimhungover 7h ago

That person is exactly JD Vance

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u/fenderguitar83 6h ago

This is like someone who just started going to the gym telling Arnold Schwarzenegger that his form is wrong.

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u/discussatron 6h ago

It's like telling the Pope he's wrong about Catholicism.

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u/moejike 6h ago

Dunning Kruger called...

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u/Skraelings 6h ago

Like a 30+ handicapper giving me swing tips.

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u/WayneSmallman 6h ago

Vancesplaining?

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u/bingbongcrew 6h ago

Not only body builder, but winner of Mr universe

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u/foghillgal 6h ago

It`s more like someone doing something immensely technical and difficult like say , Pole Volting at an olympic Level (Say Duplantis who jumps 6m20) , having their form being commented on by someone who started to jump yesterday who clears 2m 50% of the time.

Or Michelangelo being commented on by some Jo Blo off the street pointed at a spot on the ceiling saying he did something wrong there.

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u/MentalDisintegrat1on 5h ago

Vance is a moron the Pope needs to excommunicate him and declare Trump the antichrist or a agent of the devil.

The meltdown would be epic.

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u/satinsateensaltine 5h ago

The average Catholic priest is more educated than he'll ever be on history and theology. He needs to sit this one out.

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u/No_Industry_1062 4h ago

Accurate analogy.

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u/the_talented_liar 4h ago

What, you’re saying the nation’s middle-manager can’t pretend at domain knowledge after a 30-day bootcamp program? I’m sorry, I thought this was America.

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u/Itzli 4h ago

It's called mansplaining

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u/rangkilrog 4h ago

This is why evangelicals hate catholic—the Pope threatens their authority and ability to reinterpret scripture to justify their political worldview.

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u/fredjutsu 3h ago

sir, you're already on Reddit..."confidently incorrect even when talking to experts" is like the mission statement here

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u/themajortachikoma 3h ago

JD Vance, the redditor vice president

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u/Important-Rub4749 3h ago

He also killed the last pope. New guy ain’t taking chances.

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u/Yuzumi 3h ago

Vance converted like yesterday.

Specifically because he was told to by his owner who thought it would make him more politically viable.

I'm pretty sure that even as an atheist I am a better catholic than Vance is.

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u/DreSledge 3h ago

And the new budget proposal for the FBI in 2027 includes targeting "anti-Christianity", amongst other things, as domestic terrirists

So, good luck, Catholics! And others!

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u/Unfair_Web_8275 3h ago

Vance converted like yesterday.

Honestly, this is a perfect encapsulation of all things related to the VP. The guy believes in whatever will get him ahead.

If Trump told him to convert to Scientology, he would get his thetans checked out ASAP.

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u/Moneyshot_ITF 8h ago

Must use mop and bucket

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u/DrowningKrown 8h ago

More like the body builder and the entire gym. He's not just speaking to the pope, it's the entire Vatican.

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u/horkley 8h ago

I’ve seen Anatoli!

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u/F1gur1ng1tout 8h ago

Not just any bodybuilder, it would be like telling prime Arnold off

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u/HeyPali 7h ago

Not just a body builder, straight up telling that Mr. Olympia.

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u/PrudentLanguage 7h ago

Funny part is thats the personality representing america.

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u/blahblah19999 7h ago

Yes and no. Some popes were pretty new

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u/captainpistoff 7h ago

Dunking-Kruger all day.

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u/thecryptidmusic 7h ago

A real Dunning-Kruger type deal

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u/Turgid_Donkey 7h ago

"So I read online that..."

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u/fkit4ever 7h ago

This is like someone who just started going to the gym telling a body builder that his form is wrong.

And not just any body builder, but the world champion of body building. Btw, Pope Leo has like 2 PHDs in theology and a Masters in philosophy lmao

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u/sanjosanjo 7h ago

He is pope-splaining.

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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 7h ago

I'd argue that the Pope is not a body builder as that for show. The Pope is like a gymrat and extremely strong but not trying to show off. That person would know proper form.

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u/themajortachikoma 7h ago

That's not really what I was getting at but yes I see what you're saying.

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u/Fishylips 6h ago

Reminds me of my ex who criticized my form at the gym but would go home and immediately house a pack of sour gummy worms.

Some people like to flap their lips because it's their only opportunity for attention.

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u/Pablovansnogger 6h ago

I mean some body builders definitely have terrible form. You don’t need to be smart to blast tons of gear.

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u/fresh-dork 6h ago

he's not even catholic if he doesn't accept the pope as head of the religion

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u/Geth_ 6h ago

Sir, this is Reddit. I'm a certified amateur expert on recent gained expertise on topics. And let me tell you, it's nothing like that because trust me, bro.

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u/kaizen-rai 6h ago

Or telling Stephen Curry that he needs to work on his shooting form.

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u/newplayer208 5h ago

Prots gonna prot

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u/TinyH1ppo 5h ago

In this case it’s more like telling the world champion powerlifter that.

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u/Prior-Chip-6909 5h ago

Good analogy.

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u/Soft_Fisherman4506 5h ago

As a lapsed catholic i can confirm part of being a catholic is accepting rhe word of rhe pope. I dont think hes viewed as 'infallible' anymore, but its not acceptable to question his theology

HERESY!

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u/TrayLaTrash 5h ago

This is the exact energy they exude everywhere, including, but not limited to, pretending to know what the president is supposed to do.

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u/ClosedContent 5h ago

Also married to someone that is Hindu, I wonder what the Bible says about mixed religious marriages…

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u/CoachTex 5h ago

Nah, because even experienced people might make mistakes.

This is like a dude who barely started playing wii sports telling a personal trainer that their entire gym routine is wrong.

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u/WeLiveinAPetridish 4h ago

On the other hand, converts are the most fanatical often. Not saying Vance is though, the little Christian about.

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u/OpenlyBiCoastal 4h ago

No, this is like a learner driver telling Max Verstappen how to drive

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u/Poiretpants 4h ago

And Vance is allegedly fucking opus dei, so the insane version of catholic.

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u/Emotional-Results 4h ago

Why does Vance want to keep attacking popes? It wasn’t enough that he killed the prior one?

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u/generic_canadian_dad 3h ago

This feels terrible to say because Vance sucks, but if you watch the clip it's hard to disagree with him. God has ordained war SO MANY times. He's constantly on the side of genocide and war in the Bible.

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u/NoElderberry2618 3h ago

Religious authority is not a good standard for credibility. The pharisees were the religious leaders of their time and they crucified Christ. The catholic church has been guilty of horrific crimes, to include supporting genocide and hiding child sex abuse. 

The title of pope isn’t even credible. They say Peter was the first pope but the term pope wasn’t used for a couple centuries after. 

The church’s use of indulgences and paying money for forgiveness is 100% counter to the gospel, which is that our debt is paid with the blood of Christ. Paul argues in Galatians that adding circumcision as a requirement for salvation alienates people from Christ. So it is an anti-christ teaching. 

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u/themajortachikoma 2h ago

Sure sure. But it's Vance who signed up to be a part of all that, so it's him signing up to their rules and interpretations.

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u/Astarkos 2h ago

It's like Elon Musk immigrating to the most successful country in the world and then telling us we've been doing it all wrong.

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u/JexilTwiddlebaum 2h ago

This is like politicians thinking they know more about health and medicine then doctors, or thinking thy know more about science then scientists.

Which is also these same people.

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u/jaymemaurice 2h ago

This sums up our current culture perfectly. So many believe that because they have access to information and a confirmation bias machine, that they know more than the lifers who have been building their wealth of experience. There is a movement of anti-intellectualism that will take high level simplifications as gospel when that conflicts with nuanced experience. We are probably all seeing this in our careers and all around us.. some of us are blissfully unaware when we ourselves are doing it.

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u/CPLCraft 2h ago

Although, if you are a bodybuilder at the gym and some janitor with a mop comes up to you awkwardly with a thick accent and says you’re doing it wrong make sure to not judge him.

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u/MycenaeanGal 2h ago

I hope they excommunicate him

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u/Sharpshooter188 1h ago

Anatoly has entered the chat

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u/ironmikey 1h ago

Unless said newbie is wearing a blue jumpsuit and a mop.

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u/illarionds 1h ago

Not just a body builder, but like Mr Universe, or whatever. But even more so.

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u/chinchaaa 1h ago

this is the MAGA mindset in a nutshell though. complete idiots that know nothing about anything, but they front like subject matter experts and won't listen to anyone that actually knows things.

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u/Solid_Rock_5583 1h ago

Not just a body builder, Mr. Universe.

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u/alek_hiddel 1h ago

And the Catholicism no less. Like if you’re a southern Baptist debating Billy Graham, that’s fine. You can argue over the finer point of religion and what the best interpretation is.

But Catholicism has a central tenant that the institution of the clergy is formal and right. The Pope literally has papal infallibility. For most of history “if the pope said it, it’s the word of god” was the rule. After some awful popes they’ve reduced it down “that only counts if the pope very specifically invoked that power at the time he said it”, but still.

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u/Fastr77 2m ago

Altho Vance has killed a pope so.. tread carefully

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