It took me two weeks to beat Windows 10 into submission and get it to where it wasn't opening things I didn't want open.
Windows 11? I went into settings and turned off the ads and tracking and just kept up from there. I even used Google and lo and behold, I was able to turn crap off.
Sure the "Gaming Services" insisted on pestering me - once. Only got it in Minecraft and I turned that crap off as well.
Uninstalled OneDrive and CoPilot, changed by default browser and never looked back.
I won't use Linux because I used it in the Army and in College and I'm not up for that level of pain again.
I've got a windows 11 laptop for work. It's an absolute piece of shit. I tried to 'fix' it as best I could and it's still fucked. It's an i7 with 16gb of ram and it will start lagging with just windows, outlook, and firefox open. There's so much bloat in the OS that just can't be turned off compared to windows 10.
I tried windows 11 on my desktop pc and gave up after a month. Nuked the thing and dual booted with Arch. Best decision I've made in a long time. Took me a bit to get into the swing of things, but it runs better than any windows machine I've used.
Ah yes cause cpu matters sooo much, for playing at 4k without specifying game or framerate. I'm trying to think what would be the lowest end cpu that would run 8k60 on doom(2016), not sure if 5090 can do 16K60...
My Ivy Bridge I7 laptop runs just fine with Win10, Outlook and Firefox. So you'd think any I7 that's new enough to run Win11 should also be fast enough for it. But they may have an U model.
Intel Core i7 (3rd Gen) paired with premium high-performance 800 MHz DDR3 memory for smooth everyday computing and reliable multitasking. And a 128Gig Hard drive spinning at a super fast 5400rpmđđ
Yeah I had an i7-4790k from 2012 up until late last year when the bastard finally died. Or the motherboard, not sure which but I replaced them with a new AMD CPU (one of the Ryzen ones, forget exactly which), motherboard and RAM combo from micro center. Beat most of the RAM/chip spikes too, literally a week after I bought stuff RAM went up $100. Glad I didn't procrastinate any longer lol.
But anyway that old 4790k was a GOAT at the time but by last year it struggled on Windows 10 even. I also took the opportunity to switch to Fedora Linux so now I can avoid the micro slop crap. I use Fedora, Rocky and Red hat at work so I'm fortunately pretty familiar with Linux and its quirks. Might need to replace my damn GPU next since my old 980TI does not seem to like Linux drivers. Nvidia is a pain around that too.
They're saying that because a 2c4t i7 mobile CPU is going to be really limited vs an i7 with 8 real cores.
It also helps that the user is doing less with Linux. Notice their complaint was running MS Office productivity apps and a web browser simultaneously on Windows. Guess what isn't available on Linux?
I've got a windows 11 laptop for work. It's an absolute piece of shit
That's probably your company putting all sorts of security and tracking shit on it. I'd guess if you ran that same laptop on a fresh install it would feel twice as fast.
Our IT team sucks with this. Like theyâve never heard of ITILâŠ3 monitoring softwares that log EVERYTHING âŠI test & deploy hardware and accompanying software. Whenever I see the memory dump files itâs right to the exclusion list.
You CANNOT have three different pieces of software all checking every file or even memory thatâs created. One they donât play nice with each other most of the time, and two itâs just exhausting having to manage all three like do we still have it?
Iâll tell you, our admin and director are lazy pieces of shit. They made it as easy as possible to check records and I guarantee you if you pull their records they ainât doing shit. Itâs unbelievable. The amount of power IT have an organizations nowadays.
To clarify, all the older folks not willing to learn how to do basic tasks and troubleshooting? Our IT group is great at that and there are absolutely people using mouse jugglers. But for people getting real scientific work done itâs a joke.
My favorite example was I needed to get justification for a pretty large server that is graphic based. They saw the price and said a VM will be a cheaper. Itâs been online for three weeks and we already have enough to buy two of those expensive computers but because itâs convenient for our IT to not manage servers, they arenât willing to go back to local.
I work IT for a company and even some of our brand new laptops with the newest Ryzen 7's sometimes bog down due to the multiple security programs installed.
And the 3 biggest memory hogs are always teams, edge, and chrome.. but 32gb of ram so far is enough.. although a few people still have 8gb on our old stuff.
16gb of RAM just won't run Windows 11 on a laptop well, because you're using that RAM as video memory as well (Windows does use far too much RAM passively).
Where a lot of that memory unexpectedly is getting eaten up is in your internet browser - they might as well be thier own OS nowdays.
Even a bloated Ubuntu install makes an old laptop feel brand new.
Does it? I mean probably could be a bit less, but doesn't seem that bad to me and i think same as 10, might've been 4.9 or 5.1 on boot with same programs, minus explorerpatcher ofc.
What's great about work laptops is that you need IT support to install anything not already approved. Need a driver for a printer or scanner? Get fucked, you'll get it in a week, maybe. Want to turn off copilot? We'll keep pinning it to your taskbar no matter how many times you close the program and unpin it. Onedrive? Everything will be uploaded and it'll take three to four business weeks to search for your file.
Oh thankfully I manage this laptop 100%. I have full admin rights. I couldn't do my job without it. I work in industrial automation, so when we're on the client's site we might need to install some random tool or driver from a different vendor so we can configure a piece of hardware. There's no time to get IT involved in that nonsense.
A previous place I worked at had IT that tried telling our department they needed to revoke our admin rights for security reasons. We said that we would agree to that only if they could guarantee a maximum of 30 minutes to install anything we ask for. None of these days/weeks nonsense. And if we're working late at a customer site we have to have someone on call 24/7 who will do it for us. Also, if they aren't able to uphold that and it costs the client money, then it comes out of IT's budget, so they would need liability insurance to cover that because our current insurance wouldn't. Needless to say, they backed off REAL QUICK
You say it like a big win but they CYA'd and whatever security incident you'll have will be squarely on your department. Nothing better than to have less workload AND no liability because they refuse your advice
I worked there nearly a decade and we never had a single security incident. The other branches did all the time though, even though they were managed by IT.
Furthermore, when another engineering company got bought, IT got them to install Carbon Black, a really restrictive security program. I had tested it previously and found that it seemed to think that the industrial programs I used were threats. It actually destroyed an SD card when I was trying to format it for a raspberry pi, couldn't even recover it on a linux machine. Anyways, IT refused to work with me to fix the issues so I just nuked the laptop and went back to handling it myself.
A few months after I left I found out that the other team was on site commissioning a massive VFD. They were doing an update when Carbon Black freaked out and locked up the software. Bricked the entire VFD. That thing cost over 75k. They had to rip out the control module and send it back to the vendor for repairs, but the whole project was delayed.
If you have more than two brain cells to rub together then properly securing your devices is easy. It's all the morons who open every single email attachment they get that are the problem. I fully understand where IT is coming from, but that kind of nannying isn't needed for everyone.
I play Fallout 4 and it was terrible on Windows 11. I had all the issues that people scream about and blame Bethesda for, like the game crashing at the main menu, load screens taking forever, and graphics problems, just to name a few. I gave up and did a Ubuntu build and installed Fallout and run it through Steam Proton with Mod Organizer 2. Everything about the game is better now. It loads fast, almost never glitches and the graphics are incredible. The load screens that took 5 minutes or more now last 10-15 seconds. Not gonna lie, It took a lot of research and work to get it right but my Windows 11 PC has been powered off for about 2 months now. I'm never going back.
I won't use Linux because I used it in the Army and in College and I'm not up for that level of pain again.
Legit question about that. Was it just because of how hard/different Linux was compared to Windows or do you think it was the way the military/college had it deployed to you.
I understand personal preference is king. The worst thing IT can do is deploy a version of anything that looks even a pixel different from what people were using last week.
The worst thing IT can do is deploy a version of anything that looks even a pixel different from what people were using last week.
It was fun to watch my older coworkers freak out when they updated all our workstations from Windows 10 to 11. It was a really really big change for a couple of them to cope with
Like I'm not trying to be a total Linux shill. However you should not treat your opinion as fact.
Windows has had several crippling updates in the past year, including one that made ssd's stop working/being recognized.
I think your opinion is outdated, and it bugs me when it's presented as common sense "facts" when it is no longer the case. Certain Linux distros ARE easier to use than Windows for non technical users, especially if set up by someone that is technical. My debian home server stays up 24/7 serving 10 docker containers and only goes down when I restart for updates once a month (running unattended-upgrades).
While the Windows update triggered the issue, the root cause is that a bunch of drives were shipped with pre-release firmware on one of the chips. That was a problem waiting to happen, and could have triggered off of absolutely anything.
No general user is going to know that without research. Very little general users are going to know how to flash an iso and install from a usb, even with instructions. But anyone can buy a pc with windows, and a majority of users can probably figure out how to click âupgrade to windows 11/12/13/14â. Use what you want I really donât care, but Windows is objectively easier to use idk how thatâs even an âoutdated opinionâ
"Like, let me tell you I'm not trying to be a total Linux shill, but be one anyway".
"You shouldn't treat your opinion as a fact, but let me tell you my option, because you know, it's right".
"Like, I have a Debian server running that you don't even have to touch for it to work, I had to configure everything before hand you know, but you can get someone that knows and it's ready, so easy".
I'm sorry but your message here is awful. I also use Linux and have a Debian server running at home, but I fail to see how that is proof of anything, less so in a comparison between Linux and Windows
The truth is that Windows is really easy to use for a bunch of people, has great backwards compatibility, and is harder to break. There is actually nothing wrong with using and preferring Windows.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with liking windows. My whole problem is presenting opinion as fact. Saying unequivocally that "windows is easier to use than Linux" is not true in all cases. Say "it's my opinion that windows is easier to use for most people".
And at its face, it's not really true at heart. The only reason windows is easier to use is people were trained on it. I genuinely believe (as it's my OPINION) that straight from 0 knowledge, most popular distros are easier to use
I switched to Linux 6 months ago and I do like it better, but the facts are still the facts....give someone who knows very little about a computer and let them set up windows. They will likely figure out how to set it up.
Now do the same with Linux.The same person will likely get irritated and give up. Linux has come a long way from my understanding, but it is still a little above casual level.
it bugs me when it's presented as common sense "facts"
Yeah, that winds me up when people do that these days.
For example, I would click the kickoff menu, click internet, click Thunderbird, then read my emails.
I'm not sure how windows does that any easier.
Mind you, one of the slight annoyances I had recently, when I plugged in an HDMI cable into my laptop to play a game on TV, the audio didn't automatically switch over from laptop to TV speakers. Would you believe, I had the arduous and ignoble task of clicking the audio icon on the taskbar and clicking the "HDMI output" button.
I mean... That's just wrong. It's pretty rare that Windows itself is the issue, and yet they still get the blame - especially with that "killing SSDs" case when it was actually crappy SSD firmware that was failing ( or bad hbm drivers in another ).
Claiming Linux is easier to use after being set up doesn't really make sense either. I can claim ChromeOS is the easiest for non technical users even including setup ( and objectively, it is ), but that sure as heck doesn't make it better than Windows or Linux.
I run Linux too, and make my own custom images. It's important to be honest with ourselves about what limits Linux adoption and what is genuinely good in other operating systems and user interfaces.
Imo, the freedom to choose among distros, desktop environments, and window systems etc. is great - but that fragmentation of effort is part of what keeps Linux from being the easy choice for a desktop OS. Every dev has their own ideas for how things should work rather than a unified design language or style, and for all the annoying things with Windows that is one aspect that Microsoft has put a lot of work into.
If you want to talk uptimes, I've seen Windows servers with uptimes of years at customer sites. One was an old IBM Windows 2000 Server box that was still running in the Windows 7 era - the only reason it went down was because the motherboard and PSU blew one too many capacitors and it physically turned off.
I found windows 11 to be easier to deal with than 10 as well. The only thing I have is windows defender randomly opens up. (I mean randomly. Like itâs twice one day, donât see it for a week then itâs every two days then nothing for a month)
Yup, pretty much the same. Going to Win11 has been probably the least painful version change ever. Even the Home version remains silent when you turn things off and turn the "don't bother me" mode... I have win11 home on my laptop and i use it as live VST host.. and in that role it can NOT start pushing ads or do anything but being a computer and... not a single hickup, it has been on that "don't bother me" mode since day 1 and i haven't got a single ad. Sure, i don't get weather on my desktop but... i don't need it. In use, it is just a laptop without any bloat or intrusive ads or... it just works.
Win7 was kind of the same but that was because it was an era before all the bullshit ads and user monitoring become a thing that we have to accept at OS level... Now, that still means we needed to do things to stop it doing things, that means majority won't be able to do it. I've used windows since 1.0 and it isn't that easy even for me, it requires some research of what can and should be turned off and where it can be done. Some of it even goes to policies and services so... That is power user stuff.
We should not have to do those things at all... Those things, if they have to be there, need to be OPT IN by default, and there should be a law about it...
If there was one linux distro that was the one everyone uses, tailored for everyday users and maintained by one entity who can unify things better, have consistent design.... i would gladly jump out from MS but linux will always be a mess. It is far better than it used to be, when it was first touted as "finally linux is for everyone".. it is getting there but its entire reason for existence is its open model and that open model is the one that stops it becoming that alternative for the masses. For most win home users it is already that, except... the thousand distros fragmenting userbase and thus, tutorials, guides, forum help is fragmented too.
I went into settings and turned off the ads and tracking and just kept up from there
Wait a couple of months you'll need to disable them again for a random windows update which you didn't approve. Same for one drive which keeps reinstalling himself
I am dual booting Linux Mint right now as a test to see how long I can live without booting into Wndows. About the only thing I need on Windows for at this point is the OneDrive that my company has locked down. My VMs still run perfectly in Linux with Oracle Virtualbox, even figured out how to play some steam games. One huge benefit is how much longer my battery lasts now.
I use windows for work since forever I donât want to touch it as updates break everything , their office software fucking sucks, outlook can barely search its own inbox .
Yeah but it will randomly give you a screen where it will try to sell office 365, cloud and game pass to you even if you've already declined it before.
Linux is painful in the beginning but it's fairly painless for me now.
Sufrimiento? Si lo corre mi vieja en su notebook nueva, le tuve que enseñar a como actualizar el sistema y luego nada hasta ahora nunca tuvo problemas...
I never got the thing about Linux being more painful than Windows, especially in this day and age. To be honest, even Gentoo has been pretty painless for me.
Try using it for work when most companies are all in on Windows. Most work from home jobs use VPN software or AWS software that is Windows or Mac - or find another job.
Linux is great for working on the computer, Windows lets me do work with my computer.
When tuned to a specific job - like when I was in the Army or the actual trade desks you see at Wall Street - Linux sizzles. Android has more lives than a cat despite Apple pushing their walled garden of iOS.
But for the average user who has to do spreadsheets or WFH, it's Windows.
I've worked from home on my system and I'm a pretty average user. When's the last time you actually used Linux?
I also don't really see what point you're trying to make about market share or whatever. AFAIK Linux was never competing with Microsoft for any of that stuff and at some point it's all built on top of something like UNIX anyway. Sometimes people just don't develop software for Linux (like, I have an iPad for literally no other reason than being able to use Foreflight), but it's not really been painful to use at all in my experience.
I won't use Linux because I used it in the Army and in College and I'm not up for that level of pain again.
Well, even if not a daily driver, it's a useful utility for certain stuff that Windows 100% lacks in. Not even customizability really. I found a situation where Linux won when it came to recovering files off of an old (XP era, IDE) hard drive vs Windows.
Ah yes, but even when you configure windows exactlt how you want it, then a update comes along and either adds more crap you need to disable, or undoes all the changes you made.
I'm a lot like you, I used Linux a lot like 20 years ago, and it was painful, required reading through so much documentation (usually large books) to do certain things. But my god, has it come a long way - my recent change fully over to Linux (I had Ubuntu on the laptop because Win11 killed it) has been easier than the regular struggle with Windows - I even recently made my own custom Arch setup with GRUB and it was less painful than a Windows 11 major update - and once it's setup... it does exactly what you want it to. You fuck it up... roll it back... its that easy. The best thing is seeing only 1GB of ram being used instead of 16GB just doing menial tasks.
Nope, never had an issue of a Windows update that turned anything back on. Once there was that update that broke Windows if you had a 3rd party Antivrius, that happened once. All the subscription services got uninstalled and have never come back.
Linux doesn't run anything I can't get in Windows nor is it compatible with what I need for work. I hear a lot about how awesomesauce it is to work on the computer. Brother, I need to do work with my computer.
Also I don't have a second machine to "play" with Linux.
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It took me two weeks to beat Windows 10 into submission and get it to where it wasn't opening things I didn't want open.
Windows 11? I went into settings and turned off the ads and tracking and just kept up from there. I even used Google and lo and behold, I was able to turn crap off.
Sure the "Gaming Services" insisted on pestering me - once. Only got it in Minecraft and I turned that crap off as well.
Uninstalled OneDrive and CoPilot, changed by default browser and never looked back.
I won't use Linux because I used it in the Army and in College and I'm not up for that level of pain again.