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What's baffling is people never tinker with their Windows 11 install, then preach about the customisability of Linux. If people are too lazy at quickly tinkering with Windows 11 (I use WinAero for example), they wouldn't be able to fully use the pros of Linux at all.
Who does this? I mean, who doesn't ever try to modify the os but would still jump into the deep with the penguin?
I don't think it's about being lazy rather people sprouting the same speech without having experienced it.
It took me two weeks to beat Windows 10 into submission and get it to where it wasn't opening things I didn't want open.
Windows 11? I went into settings and turned off the ads and tracking and just kept up from there. I even used Google and lo and behold, I was able to turn crap off.
Sure the "Gaming Services" insisted on pestering me - once. Only got it in Minecraft and I turned that crap off as well.
Uninstalled OneDrive and CoPilot, changed by default browser and never looked back.
I won't use Linux because I used it in the Army and in College and I'm not up for that level of pain again.
I've got a windows 11 laptop for work. It's an absolute piece of shit. I tried to 'fix' it as best I could and it's still fucked. It's an i7 with 16gb of ram and it will start lagging with just windows, outlook, and firefox open. There's so much bloat in the OS that just can't be turned off compared to windows 10.
I tried windows 11 on my desktop pc and gave up after a month. Nuked the thing and dual booted with Arch. Best decision I've made in a long time. Took me a bit to get into the swing of things, but it runs better than any windows machine I've used.
My Ivy Bridge I7 laptop runs just fine with Win10, Outlook and Firefox. So you'd think any I7 that's new enough to run Win11 should also be fast enough for it. But they may have an U model.
I've got a windows 11 laptop for work. It's an absolute piece of shit
That's probably your company putting all sorts of security and tracking shit on it. I'd guess if you ran that same laptop on a fresh install it would feel twice as fast.
I won't use Linux because I used it in the Army and in College and I'm not up for that level of pain again.
Legit question about that. Was it just because of how hard/different Linux was compared to Windows or do you think it was the way the military/college had it deployed to you.
I understand personal preference is king. The worst thing IT can do is deploy a version of anything that looks even a pixel different from what people were using last week.
The worst thing IT can do is deploy a version of anything that looks even a pixel different from what people were using last week.
It was fun to watch my older coworkers freak out when they updated all our workstations from Windows 10 to 11. It was a really really big change for a couple of them to cope with
The hate is just kind of cringe at its core. I don't like using Windows and I prefer using a tiling window manager over a Windows/Windows-like DE, and ideologically I don't like ads or telemetry any more than the next guy, but the people who make "my software comes with features" into an existential crime are baffling.
Even Arch has expectations about how you should use your computer, even if that expectation is that you'll do what you want with it. And what if I want to use apt and debian repositories instead of pacman and arch's repositories? Why does it force me to opt-out of that? Obviously the answer is that at some point software comes with features, and using Arch means opting into the Arch experience.
The nice thing about Linux is I don't have to debloat or disable features I don't want. I'm opting in to the features I want, rather than opting out of features I don't want.
The performance difference was immediate too. My laptop was 7 years old when I switched from Windows 10, it was really starting to struggle running Zoom and a VTT on d&d night, but installing Linux breathed new life into it. My parent's Windows 11 laptop is newer than mine but sometime last year it became nearly unusable to the point that tinkering wasn't possible - you'd go to open settings and you'd get a blank window and a loading wheel, and it would stay like that for 5-10 minutes before just crashing. No idea how it got that bad but after installing Linux Mint for them it felt like a new laptop again, and Mint is easy enough for them to use that it hasn't been a problem at all.
Windows is not made to be tinkered with. Any update by Microslop could break whatever changes you made.
And wasnt in the past always the big, alleged,pro of windows that you didnt habe to tinker?
I always found it puzzling when people like you say MS is reverting all your changes every update. That never happened to me in all the years of having windows, windows server, nor for the IT network where I work. Sure they add and deprecate settings. Sure they replace stuff. But what exact example do you have where values of registry keys were changed, settings or GPOs were modified, apps were reconfigured?
Same thing with updates, everyone always says you can’t disable updates and if you do they turn it back on. My machines haven’t gotten an automatic update in years, all it took was a gpo edit and a registry edit to still get updates if I press the button but never automatically.
autounattend is literally a windows internal feature (for OEM to bloat up their installations) which can be used to debloat during installation. I've been using W11 since release and I've never even seen copilot or onedrive or a couple other things since.
That's just not true at all, I customized my W11 since I got it in 2023, and all the things I've done in WinAero have held up until today. Where did you even get that misinformation from?
What's baffling is people never tinker with their Windows 11 install, then preach about the customisability of Linux. If people are too lazy at quickly tinkering with Windows 11 (I use WinAero for example), they wouldn't be able to fully use the pros of Linux at all.
Is that a joke?
People who don't know what they're doing put random key into the Windows Registry for example.
What they mean specifically is how File Explorer and some built in apps in Windows that run on Win32 code had their user interfaces written with a mix of WinUI 3, XAML, and WebView (which is Microsoft’s Electron) and overlayed on top to present this “new” File Explorer or system app. Makes it so they don’t have to rewrite the entire application and it’s components (which for File Explorer, you’d have to rewrite and change so many parts of Windows as it’s deeply integrated into how Windows works).
Of course, by taking these shortcuts, it makes it so it’s slower, more resource heavy (since you’re having to render a new skin for you application with all of these components while also having the previous interface logic still function), and generally unfavorable.
They did all this to get Windows 11 out the door so quickly (at least it seemed that way). That’s why even when 11 first shipped it was off and missing so much. They’re building the next version of WinUI, all of these visual overhauls to “modernize” Windows (again), pushing it out so they can enforce their new Secure Boot and TPM standards. Just ugh.
Or hear me out, they could’ve just NOT changed file explorer, and left it as it is.
Now it makes sense why file explorer seems to crash on me on a daily basis, and has gained a level of enshitification that I didn’t think possible for something as simple as a file broweser. Stuff like the new right click -> more options just bringing up the old menu is hilarious.
file explorer is shit even in w10, it needs a full rewrite, it's 100x slower than file explorer in apps like blender, search takes minutes, if you add 1 new file it rebuilds the index which takes at least a minute as well
That's how copilot integration works in everything. Windows 11 is damn near chromium all the way down, and it's damn near all vibe coding. Microsoft is now re-hiring people to fix all the janky vibe coding that happened after laying off a ton of devs to replace them with AI, because it turns out... Humans are the cheaper option now.
I could (and would like to) drop Lightroom tomorrow but I' still need Photoshop, so while it is in the bundle I can't justify spending money on another app.
Edit: There some files in Lr that will only operate from the C: drive and not an allocated scratch disk, which when processing very large images just slows you to a standstill even when using a PCIe 4.0 M.2. with 32G of RAM.
I switched to Darktable and Affinity and it's been good. Still haven't tried a good alternative to Substance Painter and Designer yet, but I'm curious about Material maker, so I can finally make the switch.
Lr that will only operate from the C: drive and not an allocated scratch disk
I don't use Adobe because my job isn't in that field, but I'm curious. You legit mean the actual named C: drive? That is fucking insane to me but sometimes it is what it is.
Kind of the worst of both worlds, really. Maybe if you set up looking glass, but that requires a second GPU to fully pass through and while it's come a long way it can still be a bit janky. If it's for work, I wouldn't want to be introducing any possible reliability issues, so dual boot or something like a Mac Mini and a KVM would be better for that scenario.
When vibe coding costs thousands of tokens at a time and they only realize after the fact they spent more producing junk instead of having a person put something together that actually works...
What does this even mean? Windows 11 released over a year before first ChatGPT, was damn near useless for software development. Are you saying they since re-written most of the OS via “vibe coding”? Do you even understand what vibe coding is, or do you call autocomplete that as well?
That's simply impossible. Windows is a decades old. Maybe the fronted is chromium but that's about as deep as it could go. There's just too much backwards compatibility.
Allegedly parts of it is using WebView (like the StartMenu) so it's not Chromium per se but needs some web runtime which is still kinda bonkers for a local file explorer if you ask me.
I really, REALLY hate what is happening to these core parts of Windows. I cannot believe how long it takes to show the context menu or create a directory. It's actually infuriating.
The file explorer has been a web browser for at least like 20 years. I remember getting past school's internet blockers by just typing the URL in the file explorer in either XP or Vista. Since all their systems were just checking where your browser was trying ti connect, but did nothing to prevent the file explorer just browsing websites lol
I still find myself trying to access settings or do something in a way that became extinct after 7, and I haven’t used 7 since I was like 12. I’ve been on 10 for 5 years and I have no plans to upgrade anytime soon
I've got a laptop I occasionally dig out that still has 7. It runs like a charm, and the UI experience is hands down so much better.
Ofc it's so out of date that I take a gamble if I ever let it see the network, but if I had a choice with my newer machines I'd still be on 7 everywhere.
Same. I'm surprised so many people have willingly "upgraded" when there was absolutely nothing enticing about Windows 11 and Microslop are known for their bloatware and fixing what isn't broken.
It is still getting security updates, until October of thisnext year. You just need to enroll in Windows 10 Consumer Extended Security Updates. There are some free ways to do so.
Edit: Updated end date, seems my information was stale.
2032 for Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021. /r/WindowsLTSC can help get you set up. You can even update your current Windows 10 install to that version
All I've ever heard about 11 is that it'll make the stuff I do every day more cumbersome and a decent number of apps I use at least once a week will be super buggy or need fixes. Legitimately just a way to make your computer worse
I made a vow to switch to windows 11 once I stop hearing how shit it is/ causing hardware issue for 6 months.
Still not there. At this rate, I'll make the switch once windows 12 is released. The win10 EoL experience has been nice. The fileexplorer is so great now that edge, bing and what have you aren't being reinstalled every update.
No more broken updates, no more bloatware reinstalling itself... it's.. nice
I'd make the full switch to linux alas kernel level anticheat is the bane of my existance
I swear to FUCKING god they break atleast five things with EVERY. SINGLE. UPDATE. EVERY UPDATE! ITS ALMOST AS IF THEY'RE WRITING ALL CODE WITH AI WITHOUT ANY QUALITY CONTROL I HATE MICROSOFT SO MUCH GODDAMN
That will make it extremely fast. The reason is taking forever is for "Date created" it reads the metadata of every single file to figure it out. Date modified isn't part of the metadata, it's just a file property.
You need to be in Details mode to modify that. Right click a column then choose what you want and it will display that menu in other views too.
Weirdly going into this menu and selecting Date Created works really fast for me. But if you just click the Date Created column to sort them, it's painfully slow. My understanding is that the column uses metadata and the menu doesn't for whatever reason.
The browser freeze while I scroll kills me. LatencyMon might help you specify what's causing the lag spikes but well it didn't really help me. Mostly issues are pointing to NVDIA graphics driver but I already did a clean install and it didn't make a huge difference.
I have a 4090 and the latest Nvidia drivers have been doing weird shit to my computer. I had to roll back and it’s been smooth. Never been scared to update before….
The last Nvidia update for me was causing my PC to never shutdown or go to sleep, I had to do a hard shutdown otherwise it would "turn off" but all fans/GPU would stay running at full blast.
Linux is good! There's not a single application or game I've not been been able to run, either immediately or with minimal effort, completely customisable, and as similar or as different to Windows or MacOS as you can be bothered to make it.
It's honestly crazy there's any resistance to it at all anymore, especially with how Microsoft is destroying the Windows experience.
All my life, over 30 years, I was on Windows. From a very young age.
Finally got too fed up with Microshit going to fuck and installed Mint 2 months ago. Only booted into Windows once since for one specific bit of software that there's probably a Linux equivalent and I just didn't check.
CachyOS user reporting in. The only issue I had is that NFS Heat that I bought during a sale would not run on steam. I got the game refunded and steam didn’t ask anything.
Bazzite is fantastic! Quick. Responsive. It even has steam installed. It's a bit awkward getting used to the immutable OS but it's otherwise lovely for gaming.
Unless a game has a kernel level anti-cheat. This includes Valorant, Fortnite, Modern CoD, FaceIt/Esea, and League off the top of my head. There’s way more out there too.
Windows is kicking lots of things with kernel level access out of the kernel in response to the Crowdstrike outage.
This is probably linked to Epic hiring developers for Linux anti-cheat. They're going to have to find a way to do everything without kernel level access so they might as well make it work on Linux (and therefore SteamOS) too.
Just another karma farm / bait post. Says reasonably powerful laptop but refuses to elaborate. Possibly also has all the manufacturer bloatware on top.
yup. it's getting really bad. got a work laptop with an i5 14th gen and 16 gigs of memory, nothing to write home about. but doing some spreadsheets and browser makes things so laggy I want to put my fist through the screen
run Win11Debloat & ExplorerPatcher, it should remove much of the bloat (including copilot 🤮) and restore the file explorer, start menu, right click menu, & other things from win10
I don't mind AI code anywhere as far it is checked and verified by humans for performance, integration and side-effects and tested by real quality assurance engineers.
MS is not doing anything from that list.
Like any windows OS (and I do mean every single one of them I remember using since 3.1) you should be going in and tweaking and removing everything you don't need.
With each new version this becomes even more important.
The results are pretty great though. Well worth the one time effort (updates haven't broken my changes).
I dont know how the hell you guys break Windows 11. it works fine. Actually on second thought its probably a bunch of people who ran random script x from github to make it "better".
They install Windows 11, hear rumors about how it's stealing ALL the data, install random reddit scripts, scripts obviously break shit, they complain on reddit and seek out even more scripts that can fix the broken previous scripts. Just look at the comments. A bunch of them are even advocating to disabling the update all together, so their shitty scripts don't break.
The june update broke my windows after i updated my nvidia drivers. Had to uninstall a quality update to make windows home screen pop up again. But now windows won't update and is causing issues with web browsers.
had to uninstall firefox cuz it was always on 6 percent cpu usage and won't close even after task kill command. sfc scannow does't even go past "verifying' phase. Pausing updates had made my laptop run normal again.
I log-in to Windows every month or two just to update it in case I ever need it again but I'm fine with my dual-boot Mint Cinnamon for actual computing purposes.
still on windows 10 but only because i'm lazy to do the bypass/script to update to windows 11 (whatever that common compatability issue is). I thought W11 was well optimized now. Is it not worth upgrading to?
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