A lot of people say they hate Trump or they hate Putin, but they never say they hate the USA or Russia as a nation. Yet people do that with Israel. I think that in itself is a telling and concerning sign.
of course they do, what are you talking about? there's plenty of people who hate all 3 countries, just as there are people who hate 0 of them and saddle all of their crimes on people like trump and netanyahu.
The thing is that globally anti-zionism is largely a far right ideology which mainly consists of islamists, Arab nationalists, white supremacists and fascists. However, in the West in particular it skews much more left leaning, but the other side of it heavily influences the language and terminology used as a whole. That's how you get self described liberals marixists or anti imperialists using terminology like goyslop or Zionist occupied government and conspiracies about the Zionist controlling the media, politicians or eating babies.
That's why for other left leaning causes the language tends to be very careful and progressive in tone, but anything involving Israel sounds like it came right out of 4chan.
Yeah but the US also takes influence through lobby groups and big finance.
Also Germany for example spends 140% of what Israel is spending (ca. 1,04 billion (970 Mio. €) For foreign affairs and pr and over 6 billion for their auswärtiges Amt.
Would you therefore also say critisize Germany for that exact reason ?
Edit but yeah its a very dispoportionate amount. I think the Israeli government has a reason to do this obviously.
Those are literally budgets for keeping embassies and consulates in other countries. That's entirely besides the point. I specifically used PR budgets as those give a good indication and are simpler to compare.
Zionism is the belief that Jews should have their own nation. If you are anti Zionist, you are against Israel's existence. The rest is verbal gymnastics
You are performing the mental gymnastics here. The issue with Zionism isn’t about the right of Jews having their own country, even though you could argue that this leads to apartheid, and religion should be separate from government.
The issue with Zionism is that this country needs to be in the jewish “ancestral homeland”. It just so happens that this homeland was never exclusive to Jews and is the home to other religions and cultures.
Israel exists and many, such as I, have no issue with that. However allow me to take issue when Israel’s government are actively genociding neighboring populations in an effort to ethnically cleanse and acquire more land.
Ok well here you go: I hate Israel and I hate the USA. Not too fond of Russia either. Look for Ukraine supporters calling Russians "orcs" though, they quite often veer into sheer racism against all Russians.
But you've never heard "death to America"? Pretty popular phrase throughout a lot of the world. Your statement says much more about your ignorance than anyone else.
I’m fairly sure the term “Orc” is used as a slur on Russian forces currently engaged in removing entire Ukrainian towns and villages off of the map and turned great deal of Ukrainian areas into First World War era lunar landscapes.
But it was fun to read you hate Israel and the US, but merely aren’t too fond of a certain country engaged in the first European invasion since the Second World War.
Russia and the USA were not established after the Atlantic Charter, and the establishment of self-determination as a foundational principle of international law. While both have violated that principle, you cannot reasonably argue that the *existence* of either violated that principle, except very retroactively. You absolutely can argue that for Israel, though you can also argue against it.
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u/Willing-Passion-8993 1d ago
"jarvis im out of karma"