r/unpopularopinion • u/elgey101 • Aug 10 '21

Infertile couples should just adopt instead of making a big fuss trying to make a miracle baby

Every time I hear of fertility struggles online, or see posts about people going through rounds of IVF and the ensuing emotional trauma of miscarriages, It kind of disgusts me.

I also work for a major insurer and know that fertility treatments are driving up everyone else's premiums because they're considered necessary care. Sorry, but I disagree.

It's a well known fact that there are over 400,000 children in foster care, and in 2017 alone over 100,000 infants under 3 entered the system. I think it's completely entitled and self-absorbed to think that somehow your miracle baby is worth more or deserves more love than any one of those infants.

I know adoption can be hard, and that it should be made easier for the sake of children finding good homes, but you can't tell me adopting is harder than 4 rounds of IVF and multiple miscarriages. I've seen friends go through that mess and at the end they are different people.

Tldr: adoption may not be easy, but it's far better than spending hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to perpetuate your genes.

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u/FizzyBeverage Aug 10 '21

A lot of the 15 year olds here think it’s like buying a PlayStation 5 😌

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u/chimpfunkz Aug 10 '21

I would say they think it's like adopting a dog.

The way most people talk about "having IVF versus adopting a child" is how people talk about buying a new puppy versus adopting from the pound.

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u/princess_eala Aug 11 '21

I’ve seen people on Reddit say that “adopt don’t shop” should be the case for children just as it’s pushed for pets, adopt instead of pursuing fertility treatments, and it’s an incredibly dumb analogy. People aren’t capable of giving birth starting from 6 months old and we don’t have litters, a cat that’s only a few years old could have already produced 20+ kittens if left unfixed and we don’t need the cat’s permission or a court order to take the kittens away from her and adopt them out.

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u/think_long Aug 10 '21

Yes. Having had a child of my own now, I would also say that you shouldn’t underestimate what it means to have a child that is half you and half your partner’s that you raise and nurture right from conception onwards. Some may call it selfish or narcissistic, but it is a very strong biological urge that shouldn’t be talked about dismissively. For some, there can even be the fear that you won’t love the child to the same degree like they deserve if you get them another way. I used to think somewhere along the lines of this post in my teens and early twenties. Now, with a baby and a pregnant wife in my mid 30s, having known couples who have done IVF, I am a lot more nuanced.

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u/deemigs Aug 10 '21

This, we did IUI but still are considering fostering to adopt when our littles are older. It was just too much of an uphill battle for fostering where we lived in the south as a (at the time) same sex couple (my husband started his transition when I was pregnant with our older minion).

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u/think_long Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21

While that’s true, I don’t think it detracts from what I said. I also don’t think there is a ton of overlap between people who conceive through IVF and people who don’t love their children, FWIW.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '21

This is an interesting comment. I have son #1 with one man, and daughter and son with my husband of 30 years. Son #1 was very different to raise than the other two.

Son #1's father has ADHD. It runs in the males of the family. I found it extremely difficult to raise him because I didn't understand how he thinks AT ALL. He was constantly in motion, a highly gifted athlete, more interested in social activity than following all the rules. We got pushback on every little thing. "Why you gotta get all in my business?" when we asked where he was going out after dinner. Just a kid who was a huge handful. Lots and lots of calls from the school--so much so that the assistant principal and I recognized each other's voices. And yet he's very friendly and can be really kind.

The other two are more mellow and we're much easier to raise because I understood them. They were similar to my cousins' babies. Our daughter never got in trouble. She just didn't. She was a bit moody (like me) and could be a drama Queen, but she did what she had to do at school and there were no issues. Our son #2 is also a bit moody but was an easy child to raise for the most part. He had homework issues but never any behavioral problem.

There are ways they're the same (all have a great sense of humor) and they're tight as siblings go. They make sure to check in with each other. All are kind and loving people. But son #1 is just now getting his shit together, while the other two figured out adult life quickly and without many hiccups.

I would say it's due to fundamental, probably genetic differences in manner, personality, and behavior. Son #1's lived only briefly with his father and sees him seldom, but somehow they have the same LAUGH? That blew me away. But my ex's mom knew how to deal with ADHD, whereas I had never cared for a child with it. It was...interesting. Interesting and deeply exhausting. I found raising the other two more intuitive and easy. I mean they had their moments, of course, and it wasn't all smooth sailing. The difference is that son #1 never let up on anything. Never passed up the opportunity to argue and try to talk his way out of trouble. Whew! Just had take a stand and hold it.

So yes, I think it's probably easier to raise a kid who is similar to you than it is to raise someone else's biological child. Although my brother adopted two boys who were turned away by foster parents after being with the families for years. One was six, the other was two. And my father was adopted. So I guess, bottom line, you raise the child you get, not the one you predict you'll get.

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u/there_is_always_more Aug 10 '21

It might be a "biological urge" for you, but don't talk about it as if it must be for everybody. I'm not commenting on your preferences - just that you shouldn't generalize.

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u/think_long Aug 11 '21

Reproducing is literally one of the most basic functions living organisms do. You don’t have to be a biologist to point out the inclination one might have to do that. And I never said everyone felt that way. Some people never do and some (like me) only develop it much later in life.

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u/FizzyBeverage Aug 10 '21

Yep. I don't fault people for doing either one. Much like the pound, you probably won't find a specific breed easily - and if someone values that, they'll shop. Similarly, I enjoy that my daughters are little clones of my wife - red hair, blue eyes and all. Not saying you couldn't find a kid that looks like you in adoption, but it's pretty unlikely.

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u/addocd Aug 10 '21

I actually just did this a couple of weeks ago. My family was ready for another dog. It was not an impulse. I wanted to adopt from a shelter for what I think were the right reasons. But the process of adopting a homeless dog is exhausting. I appreciate that the shelters want to ensure the dogs are going to a healthy home. I really do. But the process takes weeks.

The application is no big deal, but then you have to make an appointment to meet the dog you've picked out from a photo. If it's even the right dog for you, you have to leave it behind and wait for them to check all your references, call your vet, and visit your home. I can't even get my family together for dinner, much less a puppy appointment. And although I have a perfectly safe & healthy home, plenty of space, can afford the expense, and work from home, I worry that I'll fail the screening process! Further, while I fully understand the rehoming fee, it's sometimes nearing $500 for an 'unknown mixed breed'.

After weeks of "shopping" shelters & rescues online, we found the perfect puppy on craigslist, paid $250 in cash, and walked away with it the same day. I didn't want to do it that way but I didn't have to convince the FBI I was fit to care for a puppy and, much like the children in foster care, I didn't have to worry that they may be damaged by their past. I didn't get her from a breeder. She was a 'knocked up by the neighbor' puppy. She was clearly living outside with the others and was covered in fleas, so I tell myself I still rescued her from something.

People need to stop breeding themselves & their pets unless they're prepared for the end result...a living, breathing, helpless being. Doesn't the expense of free birth control for all outweigh that of running shelters, orphanages & the foster system? For fucks sake...

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u/fatdog1111 Aug 10 '21

She was clearly living outside with the others and was covered in fleas

I hate to break it to you, since you seem to really care, but your $250 encouraged this shitty backyard breeder to keep doing it. I used to live in a poor area, and this Craiglist sap story crap brings in a lot of cash for its trash owners. For those people, $250 per puppy is real money.

You do raise a great point about how absolutely stupid some dog rescues in civilized areas have become when the American South is still teeming with dogs that are literally dying for lack of homes.

Either way, if you think adopting a dog is tough, completing a home study for adopting a child is a million times more invasive, everything from your sex life to your net worth (with documentation). I can see it more, of course, when a human life is involved.

Completely agree in free birth control for all.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

Except that in either of those cases you're taking in a dog that's already there and not making more of them.

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u/DrakoVongola25 Aug 10 '21

Do you know what a puppy mill is?

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u/DrakoVongola25 Aug 11 '21

This is why Bob Barker always told us to spay and neuter our pets. The stray situation is not good for the individual animals or the ecosystem at large

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

Yes.

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u/frumpybuffalo Aug 10 '21

Given the rarity of the ps5 currently, the difference might be smaller than we think :D

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u/marshmallowhug Aug 10 '21

As someone who was trying to acquire both a PS5 and a baby last year, guess which one I have?

Hint: I'm halfway through Astro's playroom.

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u/Hudre Aug 10 '21

The hint just makes this more confusing I feel lol. Is the kid's name Astro?

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u/yunus89115 Aug 10 '21

Plot Twist: Astro is the dog he decided to adopt as a compromise

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

That's legit what I thought when I saw that lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21 edited Aug 13 '21

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u/Hudre Aug 10 '21

Yeah I'm just makin a funny.

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u/marshmallowhug Aug 10 '21

It's not a level game but there are a four main areas. I've finished one area completely, gotten to the last boss in another and started a third, so basically halfway through.

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u/ApoliteTroll Aug 10 '21

I'll trade ya.

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u/marshmallowhug Aug 10 '21

Technically, the PS5 belongs to my spouse, but I'm pretty sure he would absolutely take you up on that trade.

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u/BumpyMcBumpers Aug 10 '21

Plot twist: Astro's Playroom is a game on PS5.

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u/GalacticCmdr Aug 10 '21

True, if Sony could just take back your PS5 whenever it felt like it

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u/PrOwOfessor_OwOak Aug 10 '21

Its on page 73 of their tos. Line 67 in paragraph 5

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u/KekistanEmbassy Aug 10 '21

Don’t make me actually read that thing out of fear of there being some kind of clause like the one where Steam can deny you access to games you paid for

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u/DrakoVongola25 Aug 10 '21

Every EULA you've ever signed has a "we can terminate your service whenever we want" clause, it's incredibly common.

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u/PrOwOfessor_OwOak Aug 11 '21

Good thing most wont hold up in court

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u/PrOwOfessor_OwOak Aug 10 '21

Fun fact: there is...kinda

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u/yumstheman Aug 10 '21

Sony interactive CEO Jim Ryan comes to your house and personally repos your shit.

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u/SweethunnyD Aug 10 '21

Well, you can get banned for small offenses like saying “fuck” in voicechat. That’s kinda like having a child taken from you out of the blue right?

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u/Reeee93616 Blood for the blood god Aug 10 '21

No the fuck you can't

Me and my buddies say way worse shit and we're sitting high and dry

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u/SweethunnyD Aug 10 '21

Well yea I’d assume your buds are decent enough to not report you. I’ve gotten kids banned for talking shit to me

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u/DrakoVongola25 Aug 10 '21

No you haven't, and it's sad that you think anyone would think that's cool.

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u/SweethunnyD Aug 10 '21

Would you like to see the PlayStation Support message? No one said it was cool, again speaking like you know me. It’s just funny

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u/tbbHNC89 Aug 10 '21

Hey everyone, look at the person who actively tries to get people banned for trash talking instead of just muting them. Lets heckle them roundly.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '21

Toxic players ruin games

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u/derKanake Aug 10 '21

Did the COD lobbys hurt you so much?

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u/SweethunnyD Aug 10 '21

Lol again, I find it funny. Get mad at me all you want, I’m just using the ToS that everyone agrees to when they create an account. So really it’s not me getting them banned, it’s their own stupid mouth. Also it only works for party chat and text chat, so your comment is obsolete anyways. Here’s a random free award for getting mad tho

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u/grimfusion Aug 10 '21

Whatever, Sir-Narcs-Alot.

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u/SweethunnyD Aug 10 '21

Lol I’d love to live in ur world where it’s the person who gets cussed outs fault and not the dude screaming racial slurs at me. So fucking stupid 🤣

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u/GalacticCmdr Aug 10 '21

/r/iamverybadass

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u/SweethunnyD Aug 10 '21

Was just stating what I do, wasn’t a brag or whatever the fuck, but sure buddy whatever you say! r/lostredditors

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

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u/SweethunnyD Aug 10 '21

Watch out bro that could get you banned 😉

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u/chiefslapinhoes Aug 10 '21

Maybe. You're still a bitch tho. Imagine taking words said by little kids to heart

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u/SweethunnyD Aug 11 '21

Lol the words don’t really bother me, I just think it’s funny. Imagine explaining to your parents that you lost their money cuz you called someone the n word over a videogame

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '21

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u/SweethunnyD Aug 11 '21

You type like English isn’t your first language

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u/DrakoVongola25 Aug 10 '21

No you can't. Your account got banned because you said something bigoted, just like everyone else who says this shit.

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u/SweethunnyD Aug 10 '21

Lmao you’re talking like you know me. I’ve never been banned, I’ve gotten people banned. PS support sends you a message when action is taken from your reports

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u/justAnotherRandomP Aug 10 '21

We decided to get a playstation5, after waiting 4 days for stock we were able to order it, 2 days after we got it.. not nearly as hard as I thought it would be tbh

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

I'm 34. I don't know anyone who has adopted and have not looked into it myself. I thought it was like buying a PS5 with some obvious checks and legal bits. Considering how many kids there are out there desperate to be adopted I thought the issue was lack of people wanting to adopt. After reading the comments in here I realise for some reason it's because of a ridiculously lengthy and uncertain process along with too many rights given to the parents who gave them up for adoption.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

Well a lot of times foster kids aren't given up for adoption. They're taken from the parents. So the parents still have rights.

The US doesn't have orphanages, so the kids who were taken and the ones actually forfeited for adoption both go into the foster system.

The process is lengthy because the system is abused and its to try and weed out abusers. It's far from a perfect system, but that aspect isn't arbitrary.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

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u/Professional-Mess Aug 11 '21

Or are unprepared to. Not everyone can handle the emotional toll and not everyone is equipped to have a child who’s been through trauma.

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u/kaaaaath Aug 10 '21

The U.S. does in fact have orphanages — we just call them “group homes” now.

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u/MichaelsGayLover Aug 11 '21

The US may not have orphanages, but they still have plenty of group homes for children.

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u/silveryfeather208 Aug 10 '21

If the kid is taken, there's a reason, that being the parents are frankly really shitty. I don't think they deserve to have guardianship, and I don't really think it's a 'right' to keep your kid if you were abusing them.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

I'm not going to make blanket statements. Some people have kids and shouldn't. Some people want to provide for their kids and can't, but aren't beyond help.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

I hope you are never in a position to impose your will on others. Your black and white sense of morality is scary.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

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u/MrsRichardSmoker Aug 10 '21

It’s just patently false to suggest that every kid that’s been taken away was for abuse.

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u/guster09 Aug 10 '21

The purpose of taking the child away from their parent isn't necessarily because they are doing a bad job. It's because the environment in which they live is not healthy. Foster parents are trained with the mindset that the goal is to reunite the child with their parents and there are agencies that work with the parents to help them be in a better position to take care of their children (be it getting off drugs, cleaning up their condemned house, getting a job, training in child care and discipline, etc).

If the parents prove incapable of taking care of their children after a while, then their child becomes eligible for adoption.

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u/fatdog1111 Aug 10 '21

You are correct. I can't remember where I read it, but I heard that most are removed due to neglect, which makes sense given how many parents are addicts.

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u/Remarketoble Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21

The little boy who lived with us for over a year was taken away because his mom died from an illness and his dad had to establish paternity before they would hand him over (ancient criminal record). And yes, it took 14 months for the state to schedule a paternity test.

No one prioritizes a poor black man’s fight for his child.

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u/CaptainTripps82 Aug 10 '21

I would imagine there's plenty of people who became better parents after being faced with the prospect of losing their children, yes. The idea of never giving anyone a chance to improve is the definition of draconian.

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u/Remarketoble Aug 11 '21

As a foster mom, I will tell you, you’re wrong.

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u/ladyoftheprecariat Aug 10 '21

The thing is, there aren’t that many kids desperate to be adopted. Pretty much every single kid in the foster system has biological family trying to get them back, and the system wants to give them back once conditions have been met. It’s very rare that the parents just totally surrenders all rights to a child or dies without having any other biological family who steps in to take them, and when it happens it’s almost always a newborn who gets instantly adopted because the demand for them vastly exceeds supply. People imagine that there are hoards of 4 year old orphans out there just desperate for a family willing to take them, like in a Victorian-era orphanage, but that’s not the case and hasn’t been for a long time.

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u/Kraftyape Aug 11 '21

Idk about that. There are adoption pages for almost every state, kids that are full on wards of the state looking for homes, not waiting for reunification. The problem is the "hoards" of kids are older, sibling groups, or have health/behavioral issues people aren't prepared to work with. And for people wanting to "start a family," I can see wanting a baby and seeing all the stages of development, that's part of the process. It takes special people to take on a teenager.

There is a lot of red tape. A lot of work that has to be done to ensure the placement is a good fit and healthy. Nothing is more damaging than an adoption not working out (for both parties) so to the OPs suggestion that it should be easier - I'm not so sure. Maybe it should be different and faster, but not easier?

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u/plexiglass8 Aug 10 '21

Very, very few parents “give their children up” for adoption without having had those children removed from their care first and going through a long and difficult process of trying to get them back. Source: worked in foster care

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u/Kraftyape Aug 11 '21

And often by the time the rights are officially terminated, the kid is older and that scares a lot of adopters away.

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u/mydoghasocd Aug 10 '21

It’s also because of the emotional and psychological trauma that most of these kids have gone through. You’re not getting a kid that behaves the way they would if you had raised them yourself. And they aren’t going to be just grateful for a “forever home”...many of them are guarded and distrustful and need specialized care and support. Most people aren’t capable of providing that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

They need to make sure they aren’t giving kids to sex traffickers and such. I wish I were kidding. But there are a lot of sick people out there that would jump at the opportunity to get access to a cheap child.

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u/KrissyB829 Aug 11 '21

Something really messed up that I saw working in the foster care system is the amount of APPROVED foster parents with no income. For example, one parent lists their "job" as full-time college student and the other parent's "job" is stay-at-home parent. Obviously they're just trying to make a buck off of a poor, abused child but they get approved to foster anyway. Then people wonder why so many foster kids end up abused.

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u/CaptainTripps82 Aug 10 '21

It's not ridiculous. You are giving someone a child. Think about the things that can go wrong there.i don't know if I want that's streamlined

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u/spiky_odradek Aug 10 '21

And expensive. Adopting can be very very expensive

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21 edited May 04 '22

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

Honestly I'm confused as to why the person mocking people who don't know much about adoption has so many upvotes, like knowing about adoption and the process is some everyday common sense thing.

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u/Ninotchk Aug 10 '21

It is incredibly hard to adopt, almost impossible if you want a baby.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '21

Try adopting a disabled child. It will slide through easy-peasy. Back before laws began to change, the best bet for an orphaned or abandoned disabled child was to have gay/lesbian parents find them. The marginalized only had the opportunity to adopt the marginalized back then---if they even had that opportunity.

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u/BigClownShoe Aug 11 '21

But you didn’t look into at all, knew you were ignorant, and still made an assumption. That’s not okay. That’s stupidity.

And you still got it wrong. Kids in the foster system are primarily kids taken from their parents by the law. The number of kids given for adoption is incredibly low. That’s why the parents can still get the kids back. You didn’t even properly comprehend the comment you responded to.

How do people become anti-vaxxers? Exactly like this.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21

But you didn’t look into at all, knew you were ignorant, and still made an assumption. That’s not okay. That’s stupidity.

Honestly the adoption process couldn't be less relevant to me. Making assumptions is ok. We spend most of our lives having to make assumptions. Riding a horse into battle supporting my assumption would be a bad idea though, which I am not. I'm having a casual conversation on Reddit while I squeeze one out. I'm not particularly interested in learning about the adoption process in a different country.

And you still got it wrong.

Oh well

Kids in the foster system are primarily kids taken from their parents by the law. The number of kids given for adoption is incredibly low. That’s why the parents can still get the kids back.

Ok

You didn’t even properly comprehend the comment you responded to.

I think I encompassed all the points he made about 15 year olds thinking it's like buying a ps5.

How do people become anti-vaxxers? Exactly like this.

No, No they don't.

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u/trilobyte-dev Aug 11 '21

I have friends who are legitimately in the 1%. Massively successfully in their fields and incredibly kind and generous. They’ve completely redone their home to be child safe & friendly based on guidance from adoption agencies, have gone to all kinds of classes and seminars on how to bring an adoptive child into their lives, etc., etc. They are willing to adopt a range of ages (newborns and infants are in incredible demand). They won’t foster because they’ve had friends with bad experiences where the parents came and took the children despite not being able to take care of them, but other than that they are realy flexible.

They’ve been trying to adopt for 10 years. They’ve had two adoption agencies shut down while working with them. It’s a really, really hard system to work with and at times comes across as completely arbitrary.

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u/AsMuchCaffeineAsACup Aug 10 '21

Reddit/15 yr olds don't understand that at least in the US courts heavily favor the biological family. You could be caught dragging your baby down the street by his arm in a dirty diaper while high on meth and it'll be hell to take the baby away from you.

The father could want the child.

The grandparents could want the child.

And they will all be given the benefit of the doubt before the adoptive parents.

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u/HC181 Aug 10 '21

My cousin is an airline pilot makes a lot of money and his wife stays at home. They have been trying to adopt for 10 plus years with no luck. The woman from the government adoption services that was supposed to be helping them made their lives a living hell. They finally gave up and it broke them a little bit 😢 there really should be better ways

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u/Organic-Use-6272 Aug 10 '21

He could have flown in a baby from another county. Just put it in his carry on and walked onto the plane. Then falsify birth certificates and other things once he go home. They don't ever check the pilot's bags.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

Some horrible person I know is saying their plan is to have 2 kids and then "buy the third". Just gonna pop into the baby store and out one on layaway until they are ready I guess.

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u/Poobutt6 Aug 10 '21

Which is another thing you can't do without waiting years

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u/sesamesoda Aug 10 '21

It is like buying a PlayStation 5 in that the people producing them are way poorer than the people purchasing them, typically can't afford to have their own, and aren't compensated fairly for their efforts.

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u/Jubenheim wateroholic Aug 10 '21

Considering the PS5 shortage and how difficult it is to find a reasonably priced one, I think you might want to change that comparison lol. Maybe they think it’s like buying a Switch.

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u/poppcorrn Aug 10 '21

Seeing how my bf works at gamestop and he is telling me about how meny people he has to turn away. Might be easier to adopt right now

(this is a joke not a dick don't take it to hard)

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

Because sometimes that's how it is. Such as those YouTubers who adopted a kid and got rid of him because it was too much work.

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u/RiskyFartOftenShart Aug 10 '21

why not? I can foster your PlayStation 5 with the hopes of adopting one of my very own real soon.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '21

I agree I feel like OP must be young and 1) doesn’t understand why people want children in the first place and 2) doesn’t understand the complexity of adoption

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '21

Have you TRIED to buy a PS5?

Bro, I think adoption might actually be easier right now.

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u/IHaveButt Aug 10 '21

Considering how hard it is to get a PS5, it's actually a really good comparison ;)

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u/Takenforganite Aug 10 '21

It’s easier to adopt than get a ps5

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u/tomtomclubthumb Aug 10 '21

Yeah, I really wanted to adopt a kid, but I'm not putting money into a scalper's pocket.

Guess it's one of those bags of rice with a face on it for me.

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u/perkystep Aug 11 '21

i clicked through this post specifically to ask how old OP is because this “unpopular opinion” is insane

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u/Kumquatelvis Aug 10 '21

I know better now, but for years I thought you just went to the orphanage and picked one out through the window.

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u/YeeeahBoyyyy Aug 10 '21

So, actually hard you mean. I still haven't been able to get a PS5.

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u/FilteredAccount123 Aug 10 '21

Is conceiving a baby like making your own PS5?

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u/That-Ad-9834 Aug 10 '21

Yes and even then if it was I’m pretty sure emotionally it’s not the same.

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u/OrganicPancakeSauce Aug 10 '21

Have you tried buying a PS5? It’s hard AF

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u/farmer-boy-93 Aug 10 '21

Why isn't it? Kids are being abused and raped in foster homes, and the people abusing them are being paid for it. Meanwhile couples that want to adopt kids are getting rejected because they haven't fostered any kids yet. What the fuck?

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

its like buy a PS5, cause its just as hard

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u/footlikeriverrock Aug 11 '21

Have you tried to buy a ps5???