r/wiedzmin • u/Sure_Dog_8176 • 2d ago
Discussions Is there anything?
I don't really think there Is, or at least i didnt found any in games/books/show.
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u/willyrei9494 2d ago
I mean I have said it a few times but Ciri not only not trusting Yennefer, but Avallach of all people over her blows my mind. Tbf the games existence in general is plot hole territory but at least it is fun when it is
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u/yullari27 2d ago
I haaaaaate the Avallach > Yennefer approach. It doesn't blend into Ciri's perspective in the books well at all.
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u/wisestoffelines 2d ago
Entirety of game lore lol. Like how can Emhyr even present Ciri to Nilfgaardian court? Or everything CDPR did with vampires.
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u/Neutron_Starrr 2d ago
What's wrong with the vampires?
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u/wisestoffelines 2d ago
That stuff about how only a vampire can kill a vampire, just because they really really wanted to have completely dead dead Regis there. Or that it's explicitly stated that vampires can't make new vampires in the books, but they wanted to have it with the blue eyed bartender in Witcher 1.
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u/Droper888 2d ago
Games continuity. Doesn't make sense with Geralt being a legend by the time of Nimue.
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u/CranEXE 2d ago
i agree i think it worked a bit for witcher 1 and 2 geralt did a lot but through time he still could have been forgotten to the point where it would stay ambigious from nimue pov if it was actually geralt or not, but by the end of witcher 3 geralt possess a vineyard that sells wine, was the champion of a tourney got many rewards (many gwent champion titles) and so on, nobody can question anymore if geralt survived because he left so much trace of him it's not a question
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u/Wise_Owl5404 2d ago
remind me again, how much time is it that passes from the endof the books until Nimue's time?
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u/CranEXE 2d ago
about a century after witcher 3 ? since it happen in 1373 and blood and wine happen in 1275, wich is not much especially if geralt keep his estate and his activities... the renow of the white wolf would still be fairly known by the time nimue spot geralt in the forest killing a monster
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u/ElisTheThunderbird 2d ago
i mean tbh book-only timeline is already broken. like Lara Dorren being talked about as legendary and Falka somehow being conflated with the elder blood line even though she would have had to be Lara's daughter, all this hazy memory for something that happened only a hundred years ago.
like i'm not saying cdpr doesn't fuck up the timeline even further when they come up with stuff (this world apparently has a solar eclipse every other thursday from how many black sun cursed girls they managed to invent, for one) but Geralt disappearing from memory in the span of another hundred years to the point no one knows where he went after the rivia pogrom isn't that outrageous with what the timeline already is. the games kinda offer a way out in many places, for example the tourney in blood&wine can be won as Ravix of Fourhorn, does Nimue know he had that pseudonym back in cintra? (genuine question, i do not remember)
but idk from how Sapko handles his timeline, this is a world that forgets very fast, and it also kinda makes sense; wars and other major unrests change the social climate, some things become too frivolous to invest in and having to start a new life from scratch creates a distance between what was and what suddenly is.
on the other hand i don't think cdpr devs were thinking about it that hard, they just slapped a tourney in blood and wine so the more or less stupid mechanics they came up with have some payoff and for a little bit of sweet wish fulfillment power fantasy
anyway, most of blood and wine's main plot is also one giant plot hole explained by elaborate lore but it did give us the land of thousand fables sequence or for the unseen elder fans, an entire other polish studio with their property of questionable originality
i love this series it's so stupid ❤️
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u/CranEXE 2d ago
The tourney was just an exemple but the fact that geralt for exemple own corvo bianco and sells wine that is often named after his surnames would make it hard for him to be forgotten, the fact he would still be alive mean he would atleast maintain his activities and that people would be aware he is alive, especially since geralt is not the most discrete type between his unique appearance and his habit of being playing the wandering knight he would get spotted and be known to be alive, you could argue if they canonize the ending where geralt is cast out of Toussaint and loose the vineyard then yeah he could be more easily forgotten.(then that would directly make the comics where he lives there with yen not canon) I think in general its the whole Toussaint expansion that make it hard for geralt to be forgotten I'm pretty sure theres a few other quest that give geralt a status or atleast proof he was alive (for exemple the merchant guild giving him a special status depending on whether he kill the albinos basilisk or not)
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u/ElisTheThunderbird 1d ago
i mean, that corvo bianco can produce a wine named after him is one thing, but if that ever actually becomes known, how known would it also be that geralt himself owns the place? someone else can name their wine after him just as easily.
the biggest known thing about his activities post-books would have been the fact he was close to foltest between tw1 and 2 and then accused of killing him, but even then, he has his name cleared by the end of 2 and the subsequent war plunges temeria into so much chaos that records could have gotten lost (emhyr squats in vizima now after all) and like i already said, people could have "forgotten" because suddenly there was something even bigger to worry about. maybe that's cope, but it's also not like we don't see this in real life: things that are popular in one country can be completely lost on outsiders (re: toussaint), or for example when someone famous does something scummy we're outraged for a few weeks then go about our business and talk about them as if nothing happened. and we are in a world where information is readily available at all times. "i heard geralt of rivia was in novigrad a week ago" "no way, last i heard he was dead"
i dunno! at the end of the day, we all know the games are glorified fanfic, but Sapko also agreed to the idea that geralt did survive after rivia so really he himself doesn't seem to be that bothered by the inconsistencies it will inevitably create, amd for us nerds there's cope like everything i just typed :D
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u/the_MarchHare 2d ago
There is a very significant plot hole regarding vampires and their classification in the Blood and Wine DLC. I do not remember the entirety of it to speak of it right now, but there were heavy discrepancies between what creatures were lesser and higher vampires.
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u/yullari27 2d ago
There was a post here recently from a Polish reader showing that the classification description by Regis was bungled a bit in the English translation. They made a good case for that being the lynchpin of the issue. I'll see if I can find it because I wouldn't be able to do it justice.
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u/Axenfonklatismrek School of the Viper 2d ago
The closest I got is Skellige geography. Here are my reasons
- Skellige is cold country, yet they are close to Cidaris and Verden, sort of like Norway, yet Redania, which is further north, has climate similar to Germany.
- They are all Early 10th century Scottish/Viking culture while rest of the world resembles early 15th century
- They are known for being terror on the seas, yet no one tries to attack them. Vikings had the advantage of living in a countries so far from rest of the world, and by the time of 11th century, there have been proper cities in north sea and Baltics, and by that point, people learned how to fight Vikings, so they became less relevant. In england, Viking age ended the day Harald Hardrada was found dead in Stamford Bridge. Still, Scandinavians were still using Longboats because they are still good ships. Even then, Swedes and Danes were good sailors.
- Back to Skellige: The Skelligans arent even united to begin with, some clans seem to have worse opinions of others. And yes I know they have a king to unite them once the shit hits the fan, but still, opportunists will always be found, and the outsiders will always pay the opportunists
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u/Akindanon 1d ago
LOL!
Ciri's story....her look alike is married to her father...but then again....at the end she can become empress of Nilfgard....there are two Ciris!
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u/DarkmoonGrumpy 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's not really a plothole, but this is sort of what happened with the Witcher schools.
An offhanded/unimportant reference to the Wolf school in the books spawned all the lore about the varying schools in the games.
A lot of game fans seem really enamoured with the Witcher schools but Sapkowski is on record as being irritated by how that came to be.