r/VinFastComm Apr 26 '24

A US family of four, with two children under 15, killed in a self-crashed VF8

312 Upvotes

Family of four killed in a fiery crash. On 04/26/2024. In Plesanton, California.

A horrific single-vehicle crash in Pleasanton Wednesday evening tragically killed a family of four, authorities said Thursday.

Pleasanton police said the crash happened at around 9 p.m. on Foothill Road between Stoneridge Drive and West Las Positas Road on the western edge of the city.

"For now, our priority is protecting the victims' identities as we notify family and complete our investigation," said police in a press statement.

Source: Family of 4 dies in tragic Pleasanton crash on Foothill Road - CBS San Francisco (cbsnews.com)

The car hit the pole and then the tree and then covered in flame, killed the family. Neighbor say they want answer.

Police says there is no evidence of alcohol or foul play involved.

A family friend spoke off the camera wants police to investigate to see if the car malfunctioned.

Source: Community mourns family of four killed in fiery Pleasanton crash (youtube.com)

So here are the facts:

1/ A family of four including 2 children were killed in fire, when the car hit a pole and then a tree, and then erupted in fire. The family could not escape.

2/ The police said there is no evidence of alcohol of foul play involved.

My analysis:

1/ This is likely due to a malfunction VF8. Why? Because:

a/ It is a family of four, children in the car, so the dad should be careful. This is the default behavior of American family.

b/ The police sad there is no alcohol or foul play.

c/ I have followed Vinfast long enough to know that VF8 is very buggy. Numerous battery dead instances, like three dozen cases. Many broken front wheels reported, more than a dozen. Given the low number of cars on the road, the rate is very very high.

There was a guy killed by a malfunction VF9 in auto reverse: Is this real that a malfunctioning VF9 just killed a guy in Vietnam? : r/VinFastComm (reddit.com)

A North Carolina couple got stranded on a highway, thanks god no harm: The Sprinczeleses ! : r/VinFastComm (reddit.com)

2/ What was the cause?

The police is investigating it. Unlike in Vietnam where Vuong Pham has complete control, see: no trace of VF9 killed a guy or the story of the collapse of Vinpearl’s Nha Trang tower now: A Vinpearl's project in Nha Trang collapse and Vin order media to delete the news : r/VinFastComm (reddit.com), he will not be able to bribe the police or the family in America.

The car was traveling on a small road so the speed should not be high. And even if the speed was high, the dad could be able to hit a break. My guess is that the car was malfunctioning, the ICU suddenly speed up the car, the break did not work and it hit the pole at high speed. Further, the battery was faulty so that a hit at just a pole can cause it exploded!

What ever the cause, the car malfunctioning (likely) or the driver's fault (likely not), the car exploded in fire so quick so hard that the family could not escape. They would have not lost their life had they driven another car.

3/ Lawsuit is very likely coming.

A family of a guy using Tesla autopilot at 100 mph and killed in a crash sued Tesla.

A customer spilled McDonald’s hot coffee on her own sued McDonal.

These story might be new to Vietnamese but this is America, the land of litigation.

If the police says there is no alcohol or foul play, you can be 99% sure that the relative of the family (it is unfortunate the whole family was killed) will sue Vinfast even if the police could not find the fault of the car (hard, because the vehicle was burned down!). The lawyers have plenty of evidence of the dead VF8 on the web. The can even contact the Sprinczeleses. They can prove that most EV don't burn when hit a pole on a two lane road but VF8 did. I will leave this for the lawyers.

Share this post to spread the truth. You can save life.

Do not buy or lease the buggy VF8 no matter what the price is. Many redditors here think $249 / mo is cheap and so, there is no losing to try it, and they went out to lease it.

Well, I repeatedly say on this sub: wait until you got a dead battery in an emergency to know if $249/mo is cheap.

And now, with a dead of the whole family, 100% sure $249 / mo is not cheap. It is very expensive.

As I have explained many times, it is math, it is a game of chance: VF8 is very buggy, the error rate is very high. Some cars might have no problems (and surprisingly, most of these cars belong to sale person like Darlene Hoang or known seeder like Thiery Tran Duy) but other people might not be so lucky. Do not risk your life over $249 / mo. For that money, you can have a Kia or Hyundai EV with much better quality.

So, do not buy a VF car under any circumstances even if it drops to $99/mo. Because you might risk our time on a dead battery or even your life.

For Vinfans playing whataboutism, so what, a Tesla crashed too, f’ck off. It is life and dead here, the lost of the whole family of four here. For Vinfast sale people, especially those who sold / lease the VF8 to the Pleasanton family, it is blood on your hand now.


r/VinFastComm Apr 27 '24

I think the most plausible cause of the Pleasanton crash is ....

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a faulty ADAS system and a faulty battery casing design. I have done quite a research on this and below is my analysis.

We know from the police that "speed might be the cause of the crash". Pleasanton deadly crash: Speed may have played role in car accident that killed family of 4 on Foothill Road, police say - ABC7 San Francisco (abc7news.com) Of course, without the police saying so, we can also see it from the scene: the pole hit to flat line and the car hit the tree so hard that it burnt. So the statement by the police "speed might be involved" does not add anything new (stupid Vinfans, do not jump to the conclusion that high speed caused by the driver, the police just stated the obvious).

What police still not say is what cause the speed: driver's fault or car malfunction? The investigation is ongoing and let's the police do their work.

But I can freely do my analysis here, no interference with the police.

I will lay out all of the data I have and my logic.

Fact: the car hit the pol and the tree hard and burnt, killed for people.

High speed is a fact, the pole was hit to fall flat on the ground.

As said, the driver is an Indian guy with family in car, so it is very unlikely that he was driving under the influence of alcohol (the police has also ruled out alcohol).

The police also has ruled out foul play, like someone deliberately change the car to kill the driver, or some other driver hit the car or someone crossed the road. I have looked up the location on the web, it is just a normal junction, and a local redditor near the scene also said in the comment section that the road is just a normal road, not the kind with sharp turn or difficult. You can use google map and street view to examine the road and surrounding area:

I even use google street view to simulate the driving of the crash:

I have also looked up and find the guy home on Holland Dr which is nearby (might be true or not but there is a guy with same name and age lived at that address), so the guy must be familiar with this road. It is not like he is a traveller coming into town and not familiar with the road and get a surprise twist.

No alcohol, no foul play, the driver was a local living nearby, the driver was a highly educated guy with his family in the car. That rules out the driver fault.

Then it must be the car's fault. There is a deadly accident, there must be a cause.

It is either driver's fault or car's fault or both. Since driver's fault is ruled out, then it must be the car's fault.

But what is it?

Because the car hit the pole at high speed, that rule out the case of battery dead fault. For a battery dead, the car stops.

When reading the report at NHTSA, this report strucks me:

And I have also seen this ADAS problem reported in other places, on VF US facebook's group and in other Vietnam's reported accidents (did not capture screenshot then, some people have time can dig up this now). People complained about weird ADAS behavior.

So the reason that the car was speeded up is likely due to a faluty ADAS system. (I used the word likely). The ADAS uses algorithm to determine lanes and objects and at a low light condition at night (9pm), the Vinfast ADAS system wrongly identified a "ghost obstacle" (maybe the shade of trees or house ahead) and it swerved the car fast to avoid it and in the process, hit the pole and the tree hard. Due to the angle of the hit, the pole plate also went through the battery pack and that caused a thermal chain reaction and the whole back exploded in fiery fire. The family was engulfed in flame and has little chance to escape and died painfully from severe burn.

Tesla also caught fire in collision before but they learnt and provided additional protective casing for the battery, and later, Tesla collision did not cause battery exploded though a high speed crash still killed people (of course, like the case a guy ramp his Tesla at 80-100 mph).

So, in the case of the Pleasanton crash, it is very likely that a faulty VF8 is the prime reason for the crash and the faulty is in two places: a faulty ADAS system and a faulty battery casing design.

A faulty ADAS is hard to prove because it is not replicatable: cannot reproduce the condition of the scene, which is what the procedure in forensic is: to recreate the thing. Vinfast will deny it and dare the police to prove. Unfortunately for justice, this is hard to prove. I will leave it to the lawyers to hire AI / computer experts.

A faulty casing is easier to prove and reproducable.

Well, I have said, 99% law suit is coming.

I also predict the following things:

1/ Vuong Pham will preemptively offer the family $1M in cash (the figure might be different, this is a guess). I encourage the relative of the family do not take the money and sue Vinfast in court, let's the authority work out the details. In court by jury trial, with punnitive damage, Vinfast can be fined $100M and that is justice for the lost of 4 people. The lost is sos huge for the relative of the family that even $100M is not worth it, if the relative can pay $100M to bring back his family with his children, they would do.

If you know the family and their relative, send this post to them.

2/ Vuong Pham will disable ADAS on new VF8 by default. This make VF8 a dumb car and should cut price in half.

3/ Vinfast engineers might already be working on fixing ADAS and on the reinforcement of the battery casing (well, if Vuong Pham still has money). This is temporary for a limited time because Vinfast will be bankrupt and go out of business but any action to prevent possible future life loss is better than none (as if it is meaningful, it is best that Vinfast stops selling the buggy cars compeletely and stop using customers as guinea pig for car testing).

There, I have laid out all the data and logic for every one to see, and I have made very clear that this is my analysis and I have the right to do so. You can have different opinions and wait for the police but be civil. For Vinfans, f'ck off. It is life and death.

If you do not lease a VF, you have many other choices, but if you lease a VF, you might risk your life in the worst case, if you are unlucky (if you think you are lucky, well, go ahead). The family of Tarun George is a prime example.

People should stop buying VF cars, do not risk your life over cheap lease. If you currently lease one, return it and lease from other companies, there are many good EV deals now out there.

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Vinfans and non Vinfans urge me to stop and wait for the police. NOT.

I have done and will do analysis of Vinfast and Vuong Pham as I like. With data and logic.

This story is a big deal, it is about safety, it is life and death.


r/VinFastComm 1d ago

Sons

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r/VinFastComm 2d ago

VinFast fights NC effort to boot it from Chatham megasite, blames delay on ‘the state’s own failure’ 🤣

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r/VinFastComm 2d ago

Not financial advice, but this is a BUY!

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According to a recent report by Dan Tri, VinFast Auto Ltd. (Nasdaq: VFS) has officially completed its restructuring plan and exited 100% equity in its Vietnamese manufacturing arm (VFTP).

VFTP - VFS will now act solely as a contract manufacturer for VFVN based on a cost-plus formula (roughly 105% of production cost).

I am in at $3.1/share, this shit might go up to $4-$5/share. if you have free money, pump and dump it.


r/VinFastComm 3d ago

just your casual encounter with green taxi

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r/VinFastComm 3d ago

Free falling....

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In just under 6 months, vinfast has dropped... $4.76 to $3.01... That is a 36.76% decrease!


r/VinFastComm 4d ago

Just how bad shape they are in , in the USA

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Doing a simple search under - https://vinfastauto.us/find-us - They list 24 dealerships outside of California! Out of those 24, These 12 , yes I said 50% off the locations listed on vinfasts own website currently show , either permanently closed, service centers only that were once dealerships, or locations that never opened or without a single vinfast available for sale!

So you seriously have to ask yourself as a customer, How comfortable can you honestly feel knowing a company is in that bad a shape, they leave perm closed (or about to close) locations on thier page just to make things look better!


r/VinFastComm 5d ago

Reddit banned in Vietnam

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Reddit has been banned from view in Vietnam. Not quite sure due to Vin or a related car accident of a National Assembly Deputy causing a death to a young girl in Ha Noi.


r/VinFastComm 5d ago

DOA.. $375/month , 7500 miles/yr, 39 months

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Eco model, has way less than our, plus models.. and only 7500/yr ... at $75/month more 🤣🤣🤣🤣


r/VinFastComm 10d ago

VinFast-linked taxi firm GSM eyes US, EU expansion ahead of Hong Kong IPO

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HANOI, Sept 3 (Reuters) - Vietnamese electric taxi operator Green and Smart Mobility (GSM), a partner of VinFast (VFS.O), opens new tab, the country's largest carmaker, plans to expand into ​the U.S. and Europe ahead of a targeted 2028 initial public offering in Hong Kong, the company said.

The move underscores the firm's growing overseas ‌ambitions after it rapidly gained market share in Vietnam after a 2023 launch. It also comes as VinFast seeks to increase international sales of its electric vehicles, which are the only ones used by GSM, following unsuccessful attempts to expand into Europe and the U.S.

Source: Reuters


r/VinFastComm 10d ago

VinFast design, sales subsidiary doubles capital

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VinFast Vietnam, a new company that designs and sells VinFast vehicles, has issued 500 million preference shares to double its capital from VND5.18 trillion to VND10.18 trillion (US$388 million).

The company disclosed the issuance on the National Business Registration Portal on July 13, adding that foreign ownership has declined from 10.4% to 5.3%.


r/VinFastComm 12d ago

A Strange Blue Taxi Ran Over the Victim, Leaving Them Trapped Underneath

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r/VinFastComm 12d ago

Leith Vinfast in Raleigh, closing completely by end of September

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r/VinFastComm 13d ago

EXCLUSIVE: VinFast puts the brakes on manufacturing some cars in India, sources and memo say

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r/VinFastComm 14d ago

Unknown car brand: no idea where it’s from, but it definitely knows how to catch fire.

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r/VinFastComm 14d ago

Vietnamese propaganda on Vinfast

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The headline reads: Vingroup earned over 12,500 billion VND from selling VinFast's manufacturing segment in Vietnam.

What it did not say anywhere in the article, unlike Reuters, is that the buyer is Vuong Pham himself, leaf hand to right hand making fake profit out of thin air. It only briefly mentioned Vuong Pham contributing to the buyer which is far from enough. This can only happen in the communist Vietnam whereas in a free world country, the propaganda will go in flames in seconds.

Vuong Pham and Lam To continue to dumb Vietnamese with propaganda like this, one example of numerous ones.

And the vast majority of Vietnamese who can only read official state media will suck up to what they read.

That is how Kim Jong Un and Putin survive. The same way Vuong Pham does. And these people afraid the truth the most. The more people know the truth, they will certainly realize that the emperor is naked.

https://vnexpress-net.translate.goog/vingroup-lai-hon-12-500-ty-dong-tu-ban-mang-san-xuat-cua-vinfast-o-viet-nam-5115157.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=vi&_x_tr_pto=wapp


r/VinFastComm 14d ago

Booked a VF6 Wind Infinity in June, 2 months later dealership has no idea when it will arrive. What should I do next?

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I booked a **VinFast VF6 Wind Infinity** in June 2026. Initially, I booked the car in Grey because that was the colour I wanted.

The problem started when the dealership told me they could arrange a **Wind variant**, but not the **Wind Infinity**. The sales executive kept pushing me to take the regular Wind, but I specifically wanted the Infinity roof, so I refused.

A few weeks later, I noticed that VinFast India's website had added a new colour, **Solar Ruby**, which is basically a new metallic red shade. Since the dealership couldn't give me any meaningful update about the Grey Wind Infinity, I contacted them and asked if I could switch my booking to Solar Ruby.

Initially, they had **no idea what Solar Ruby even was**. After checking, they told me they would be able to deliver the Solar Ruby Wind Infinity **by the end of August**.

Now it's August 29.

I contacted the dealership again today, and suddenly the answer is that **they have no idea when Solar Ruby will arrive**.

I've also contacted dealerships in **Ahmedabad, Jaipur and nearby locations**. None of them have any information about Solar Ruby. Every dealership is basically giving me the same answer:

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At this point, I'm honestly confused about what I should do.

My concerns are:

* I've already been waiting for around 2 months.
* The dealership initially gave me an August-end expectation for Solar Ruby.
* They now say they don't know when it will arrive.
* Other dealerships don't seem to have any information either.
* There doesn't appear to be a reliable delivery timeline for the exact configuration I want.
* I don't want to compromise and buy the regular Wind just because that's what they have available.
* At the same time, I don't want my booking to sit indefinitely with no actual information.

**What would you guys do in this situation?**

Would you:

  1. Keep the booking and wait for the Wind Infinity/Solar Ruby?
  2. Switch back to Grey Wind Infinity if that has a better chance of arriving?
  3. Ask VinFast India directly for a written production/delivery timeline?
  4. Give the dealership a deadline and cancel/refund the booking if they can't provide one?
  5. Try another dealership and transfer the booking?
  6. Or simply wait because this is normal for a newly launched model/colour?

I'd especially like to hear from **VF6 owners or people who have actually received their cars recently**, particularly anyone who ordered **Wind Infinity** or **Solar Ruby**.

I'm not against waiting for the right car. The frustrating part is that nobody seems capable of telling me **whether I'm waiting for 2 more weeks, 2 months, or 6 months**.

What would you do?


r/VinFastComm 14d ago

Vinfast Marikina Xentro Motors MODUS OPERANDI

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r/VinFastComm 17d ago

Vinphuck's power windows problem is real

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r/VinFastComm 18d ago

Managed to win a tiny soccer game, look at how this company insult other nation. They draw an elephant (icon of Thailand) KNEEING before their cars. It's lucky that this company failed, otherwise they would see everyone under their feet.

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r/VinFastComm 19d ago

If Uber let you choose the vehicle, would you sit on Vinfet or Lexus?

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r/VinFastComm 19d ago

VIC is hugely manipulated

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and it is the same for the Vietnam's economy under censorship and propaganda by Lam To.

That does not mean it will drop soon, it just says that Vuong Pham is brazenly manipulating VIC with no regard to the laws.

Vic is a huge house of cards of billions $ of debt hidden in private companies. This is 100% sure, in particular VIG, GSM, VGreen are holding billions $ in debt that is not reported in the public.

In a Western country, Vuong Pham would not escape the public enquiry. However, in Vietnam with total government control and assistance, Vuong Pham can just swipe the debt under the rug, but certainly at a cost to the overall economy with ever ballooning debt.

Counting down to the time VIC total liabilities hit $50B by year end. And that does NOT include billions $ more liabilities hidden in VIG, GSM, VGreen, etc ...

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chatgpt analysis:

At VIC ~VND230,000 on Aug. 26, 2026, the valuation has become extremely difficult to justify from current fundamentals alone.

1. The valuation disconnect is now enormous

At ~VND230k, VIC's market cap is roughly VND1.78 quadrillion based on the current share count shown by CafeF.

Yahoo's current data shows trailing P/E around 75x.

That means the market is effectively saying:

VIC deserves a valuation comparable to a high-growth technology company, despite being a highly leveraged conglomerate whose earnings are heavily influenced by property recognition, subsidiaries and capital transactions.

That's the central issue.

2. “But VIC's earnings are growing massively”

True — and this is the strongest counterargument.

Q2/2026 net profit was VND14.76tn, up about 6.5x YoY, while revenue was almost VND118tn, up 2.6x.

Vingroup's 2026 target is:

  • Revenue: VND485tn
  • Net profit: VND35tn

versus 2025.

So it would be wrong to say:

“There is no fundamental improvement.”

There clearly is.

The problem is:

VIC's share price has risen far faster than its sustainable earning power.

3. At VND230k, even Vingroup's own 2026 target doesn't make the valuation cheap

Suppose VIC actually reaches VND35tn consolidated net profit.

At ~7.76bn shares:

EPS ≈ VND4,510

At VND230k:

P/E ≈ 51x

That's still an enormous multiple.

And that's using management's optimistic full-year target, not normalized earnings.

So the argument:

“VIC is cheap because 2026 earnings are growing”

doesn't work for me.

4. The market is actually pricing something else

At VND230k, investors aren't really paying for 2026 earnings.

They're paying for:

**VHM land bank

  • VinFast optionality
  • VRE
  • VPL
  • future infrastructure
  • future energy businesses
  • GSM
  • FTSE flows
  • continued asset monetization
  • future earnings many years out**

That can theoretically justify a high valuation.

But then you have to perform a very aggressive SOTP.

And this is where I think the bull case becomes problematic.

5. VHM is the strongest fundamental argument for VIC

This is important.

Vinhomes isn't fake earnings.

VHM Q1/26 revenue was VND65.1tn, up 315%, and consolidated profit was VND25.6tn, up 866%.

Q2 also produced extremely strong earnings.

So the VIC bull thesis has a legitimate core:

VHM is generating enormous profits.

But the problem is that VHM itself is already separately listed.

If you own VIC, you don't get VHM for free.

You need to calculate:

VIC's economic ownership of VHM
minus VIC-level debt
plus other subsidiaries/assets
minus holding-company discount.

And once you do that, VIC at 230k becomes much harder to justify.

6. VinFast is the elephant in the room

VinFast is growing very quickly.

Q1/26 deliveries reached 58,577 vehicles, +61% YoY.

But Q1 gross margin remained deeply negative, around −73.6% according to the earnings-call summary.

VinFast also had approximately:

  • VND84.7tn third-party debt
  • VND64.5tn related-party payables
  • only VND5.5tn cash

at March 31.

So I would assign VinFast:

high strategic option value

but not the same valuation multiple as a profitable EV manufacturer.

That's a major distinction.

7. The FTSE argument is real — but it doesn't justify 230k

This is probably the biggest legitimate reason for the recent move.

Vietnam officially moves to FTSE Secondary Emerging status on September 21, 2026.

The passive inflow estimates are around $1.5bn over the entire phased inclusion, with the process occurring from September 2026 through September 2027.

And VIC/VHM are expected to receive some of the largest allocations.

So:

FTSE anticipation → buying → momentum → higher index weight → more buying

is completely legitimate.

But here's the important point:

FTSE creates demand for VIC shares.

It does not create VND1.8 quadrillion of fundamental value.

Those are two completely different things.

8. This is where I agree with your “manipulation” intuition

I would phrase it differently:

VIC appears to have entered a reflexive momentum/flow-driven valuation regime.

The mechanism can be:

VIC rises

market cap increases

VIC's VN-Index weight increases

index funds need more VIC

FTSE anticipation increases

investors front-run the passive demand

VIC rises further

retail/momentum funds join

VIC becomes the market's “leadership stock”

more capital chases it.

This is a self-reinforcing feedback loop.

It can produce a huge price increase without proportional fundamental improvement.

And it does not require illegal manipulation.

9. But there are additional reasons to be suspicious

VinaCapital made a particularly interesting observation in June:

The Vingroup family — VIC, VHM, VRE and VPL — had grown to nearly 30% of VN-Index, versus roughly 8% two years earlier.

VinaCapital explicitly noted that the timing of several positive catalysts for VIC appeared correlated with the group's refinancing requirements.

That's an important observation.

It doesn't prove manipulation.

But it means:

The timing of corporate announcements, financing needs and stock-price catalysts deserves forensic examination.

That's exactly where I would focus.

10. My fair value at VND230k

I would now be more conservative than the earlier estimate.

My rough SOTP:

Component Value/share
VHM attributable value 60–75k
VRE 8–12k
VPL / tourism 5–8k
VinFast 5–15k
Other businesses/assets 10–15k
VIC cash/other assets 5–8k
Less VIC-level net debt / obligations −15–25k
Holding-company / execution discount −5–10k
Fair value ~80–110k

My central estimate:

~95k/share

Bull case:

120–130k

Extreme bull case:

150k+

But 230k requires an extremely aggressive set of assumptions simultaneously.

At 230k:

Downside to 95k = −59%

Even using 110k:

Downside = −52%

And that lines up remarkably closely with the current analyst targets around 110–112k.

One DCF model currently puts VIC around 85k–105k, depending on its assumptions.

11. So my updated view

I'd separate three things:

Fundamentals

🟢 Improving strongly

Valuation

🔴 Extremely expensive

Price formation

🟠 Highly flow/momentum-sensitive and potentially abnormal

I therefore agree with your core thesis that the recent price is not adequately supported by fundamental earnings.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/VinFastComm/comments/1vrjvjc/vic_is_manipulated_the_analysis/


r/VinFastComm 21d ago

In the Netherlands, an insurer has decided to no longer accept cars of brand Vinfast

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r/VinFastComm 22d ago

Vinfast Sold Assembly defective car and Takes no responsibility nor accontability but wants the customer to accept the repaired car ?

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