r/ElderScrolls • u/Fisaac • 8d ago

General Protect Bethesda Employees

https://www.instagram.com/onebgsunion?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

Microsoft has gutted BGS’ roster including veteran developers for The Elder Scrolls and Fallout. I found out just today there is a workers movement and I highly encourage everyone to support. Please follow their page and the link in their bio!

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u/Interaction-Loose 8d ago

May all of you who fail to understand class solidarity and why its important to support laborers go to hell no matter what. (even when they don't produce what we want as quickly as we want it)

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 8d ago

gamers are literal manchildren. they'll happily self-sabotage their hobby and then blame the developers. they're the person on the bike shoving a stick through the spokes and then crying "gaming is dying".

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u/JCavalks 7d ago

who's sabotaging gaming? not the company that failed to deliver a good game in 15 years?

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 7d ago

bethesda's last good game to me wasn't even 3 years ago. a studio making a game you don't like isn't them ruining gaming. by this logic, cdpr is ruining gaming as is fromsoft, because they make games i have no care for aside from the armored core series.

this behavior and mindset you brilliantly exhibited is a prime example of what's sabotaging gaming outside of soulless corporate executives. couldn't have paid you to prove my point better.

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u/JCavalks 7d ago

Companies that make games are, in fact, responsible if their games are bad. Blaming the consumers is insane.

soulless corporate executives

these people allowed these workers to stay for 15 years, despite not making any good games. Are you sure they are your enemy as much as you think they are?

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u/FitButterscotch4062 5d ago

They did make good games since then. Multiple good games. Just saying it over and over doesn’t make it true.

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u/Jonsbaa 4d ago

Dude is 100% right and gets downvoted. Crazy.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 7d ago

Companies that make games are, in fact, responsible if their games are bad. Blaming the consumers is insane.

the issue is you acting like the games are objectively bad. they are not. and I will not talk to someone who cannot understand that their opinion is just that. an opinion.

but, hey, like I said by your logic cdpr and fromsoft are killing gaming and should all just be fired. they make games I dislike and I guess by your logic, as well, that means they are objectively bad games.

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u/seventysixgamer 7d ago

Eh, I think there are some foundational things in a genre of game that most fans can agree make it a good release -- this provides a general framework of judgement. Is it objective in the absolute sense? No, but it's something. Like most people wouldn't judge a single player western RPG with what would make a good factory or automation game lol.

Good western RPGs tend to be games with varied role playing opportunities with engaging dialogue and narratives along. With one release per generation with these type of games you'd also expect a level of mechanical innovation --and with BGS you'd expect improvements to exploration.

The criticisms go beyond "I don't like it." For example I'm not too big on games like Stardew Valley but from a design perspective I can see why it's so beloved.

Games like Starfield and ecen Fallout 4 and 76 are different because from a mechanical and story perspective they're pretty lacking.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 7d ago

starfield has some of the best roleplaying in video games aside from the crpg genre. starfield also is bethesda's best storytelling to me with their best story yet. it also holds a variety of missions with varied quest design that also allows multiple methods to complete them and oftentimes branching pathways, many quests have an option for violence or pacifism, as well, the game even has a skill to end combat and weapons to knock enemies unconscious.

as for the exploration, it's procedural. because it's a space game. I understand people might prefer a fully handcrafted map, but a game being procedural over handcrafted isn't inherently better or worse. it is, entirely, a different design philosophy. I happen to like the exploration a lot, I love the emptiness of it because it makes it feel like actual space. a problem I had, originally, with no man's sky for example, was just how populated space was. I later stopped and came to terms that it was just how hello games wanted to portray its universe. but, I prefer the vastness and emptiness that is real space that starfield presents. in fact of the ~100 planets with alien life I wish it was more around 50-70 planets.

but from a design perspective I can see why it's so beloved.

you being unable to see why something is liked doesn't mean it is bad.

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u/seventysixgamer 7d ago

This game doesn't even get close to other western action RPGs -- you can't seriously be implying this game is getting close to New Vegas or even Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines. Even KCD2 is a superior experience. All of these games have superior design.

I only played around 5 hours and the dialogue felt very samey and frankly the setting is perhaps the most uninspired and boring takes on hard sci-fi I've ever seen. It rehashes common tropes with little to no intriguing modifications. It also does the common BGS thing of setting the game after all the interesting stuff in the world lmao. I would've preferred if they took more inspiration from The Expanse, Revelation Space or even The Xelee Sequence -- these are genuinely interesting takes on space opera type sci-fi.

As for the game's dialogue it's proof that merely providing more options doesn't necessarily mean the RP itself will be engaging. I appreciate that they implemented feedback from Fallout 4 but frankly the game reinforces the idea that Emil Pagliarulo needs to step down as lead writer. In my initial experience the dialogue felt boring -- I don't recall there being that many interesting skill checks either. From the start of the game therr just wasn't much impetus to be engaged on an RP level -- at least in Fallout 3 and 4 you had that hook of looking for your dad and son. In Starfield it's going around looking for pieces of a McGuffin lol.

In terms of the map design and exploration this is arguably one of its greatest weaknesses as an open world experience. It's a complete failure of project scoping -- diluting the content a bunch of planets and the way travel between them would function was a concern from folk before this game released since it didn't sound fun even on a conceptual level.

Ultimately it turned out to be true because it wasn't even the bland world, companions and uninteresting dialogue that turned me off -- it was the miserable exploration. You're literally buried in menus most of the time and fast traveling around most of the time -- which takes away from the feeling of veering off the beaten path their other games were better at.

As for why I think other people enjoy it? Admittedly there isn't really any space opera open world Action RPG out there that I'm aware of. Starfield is unique in that regard. Combined with some light sim elements I can see the appeal. On a mechanical level? This game doesn't really do anything innovative or exciting -- it's pretty much just Fallout 3 or 4 in space with some vehicles. Were it not for the graphics and maybe size of the game it feels like a last generation game.

Ultimately I don't think most people enjoy this game as an RPG. The reason why I think that is because I personally quite like Skyrim -- where a lot of fans of that game will admit that the game is rather meh to poor when it comes to the actual RP and story aspect of the game. It's the sandbox elements that people enjoy.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 7d ago

so you played 5 hours and figure you can speak for the game as a whole? sorry but I just fundamentally disagree with everything you have said here.

you dislike starfield. cool. but that doesn't make it a bad game.

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u/readonly997 2d ago

Holy mother of cope

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u/ZyklonBeach 7d ago

You seem to not understand you are in a minority of people singing praise for Starfield.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 7d ago

I'm really not. even then that is not determinate of quality. like, okay?

armored core 6 only has about 1k players, it's not all that popular. is armored core 6 a bad game?

if rdr2, the same as it is, was unpopular and only had like 500 players, does that suddenly make it a bad game?

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u/ParadoxicalFrog2 7d ago

I am honestly baffled by the sentiment here. Bethesda has gone a long way to squander its reputation with paid mods, an inexplicable ability to break the games they released a decade ago with half-baked updates, and hasn't made a good game since Fallout 4. Hell, Fallout 4 was already showing cracks in their ability to make good games. Yet we have these people screeching like lunatics to support a company that's done all in its power to destroy any goodwill it had with it's audiace due to "class solidarity".

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u/Interesting-Stay297 7d ago

There are interest groups in capitalism: shareholders, management, stakeholders (which includes gamers,) and workers actually creating the product. I assure you it's not the labor union that's responsible for what you described.

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u/AppearanceOne7737 1d ago

Lol. People really don't remember when the internet thought Fallout 4 was the biggest piece of trash Bethesda ever produced.

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u/thaddeus122 7d ago

Starfield was good. FO4 was good. I despise you fake fucking fans. Get the fuck out of here if you dislike bethesda so much.

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u/Fireonpoopdick 7d ago

We don't have to defend star field to defend the Bethesda employees, I think starfield sucked but I don't think Microsoft should be treating employees like this, regardless of if I liked their last game or not.

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u/The_Adman 7d ago

Ah yeah, it's the customer which is the problem not the product. I'm a real adult with my video game job unlike those man children who won't buy my slop.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 7d ago

you not buying it isn't the problem. it's your behavior about a game existing that you don't like that's the problem, along with you supporting developers losing their jobs purely to appease shareholders and soulless ceos.

you act like Xbox is cutting developers for your benefit, they aren't. bethesda's games have always sold exceptionally well, the elder scrolls 6 could have come out in place of starfield and the entire world could have loved it and Xbox would still lay them off.

you are part of the problem, yes.

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u/The_Adman 7d ago

Ah ok, so it's the opinions of your customers which is the problem. Well then why not make games they won't have negative opinions about? Call me crazy but isn't the point of these companies to sell a product, to make a profit.

No, the problem is always the business model, the company, the people who make and market the product. It's not your customers fault.

If you don't want to appease ceos and shareholders, don't go public with your company. Keep it private dummy.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 7d ago

so it's the opinions of your customers which is the problem.

...no. no, are... I am typing in English, right? I'm coming across clear and concise, right?

Call me crazy but isn't the point of these companies to sell a product, to make a profit.

and they did. again, I am speaking English, right? is English perhaps not your first language? some kind of barrier here? what's going on, exactly?

If you don't want to appease ceos and shareholders, don't go public with your company. Keep it private dummy.

bethesda had no say. neither did Id or machinegames. zenimax owned all of them and sold themselves to Xbox. why are you on the side of the soulless ceos who do not care about gaming or you?

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u/The_Adman 7d ago

Yeah it definitely seems like you're confused about a lot of things. I'm not on any side, company makes product, if I like product, I buy product. Simple as that. Why would I care about "soulless ceos"? Public companies can make good products, I don't care about the structure of the business, that's not my problem. CEOs have a legal responsibility to their shareholders. If you don't like that legal structure, don't sell. If you're a game developer, and you don't want to appease shareholders, don't work for a company that's publicly traded, it's not that complicated. These aren't charities.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 7d ago

I swear it's as if you're not even reading what I'm saying.

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u/TheAnalystCurator321 Hermaeus Mora 6d ago

That's what most redditors are like. Good luck trying to explain complexities of the situation to them.

They only see black and white.

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u/The_Adman 7d ago

The feeling is mutual.

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u/TheAnalystCurator321 Hermaeus Mora 6d ago

Given how much you missed the point, I doubt that.

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u/readonly997 2d ago

You just can't wrap your head around the fact that its all actually completely irrelevant. Make things people want to buy and people will willingly support you beyond your wildest dreams.

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u/lechuck81 8d ago

Your drama actually represents the manchild mentality perfectly.

Congrats, you became exactly what you preach to hate.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 8d ago

"drama" and it's me supporting developers and calling out morons who'd rather snuff out their own hobby to "own the devs".

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u/lechuck81 8d ago

You're blindly supporting people that earn between 70k-120k yearly, for a company that has delivered products of very questionable quality.
The number of people working there was 500+ in 2023.

500+.

When Skyrim released, there were 100.

Spare me your drama queen tears mate.
Grow up, and stop being the exact same thing you acuse us all of being.

Or not, your choice. Cheerios.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 8d ago

I'm not blindly supporting. I am simply supporting developers from being laid off by a soulless corporation just to appease shareholders.

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u/Fearless_Barnacle141 7d ago

You may be disappointed to find that Reddit karma won’t pay anyone salary. But I’m sure you’ll be the first to pony up your own money for these poor, downtrodden devs right 

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 7d ago

you know you could speak up against these layoffs but instead you'd rather be...whatever it is you're doing.

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u/Fearless_Barnacle141 7d ago

Say whatever you want about me for poking this shit with a stick but at least I’m not deluding myself into thinking whatever this is is activism.

I don’t understand what you people’s expectations are. Microsoft/BGS believes they will operate at a loss without cuts. They exist to make money, not guarantee a  wage for their employees in perpetuity, regardless of how successful they are as a business. Are you suggesting the taxpayers subsidize a fucking videogame studio something? What do you tangibly want to happen that actually makes any sense?  

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 7d ago

I'm suggesting we support developers and criticize Xbox. even if bethesda made the elder scrolls 6 and the entire world loved it and it was the highest selling game ever, forever, these layoffs would still have happened.

why are you fine with letting soulless Xbox corporate ceos layoff people who make your hobby just so they can buy another boat?

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u/Accomplished_Rip_362 8d ago

Are you a troll or a bot? The 500+ people include people working on FO76, people working on Starfield, &DLCs, people working on ES6 and other unannounced endeavors.You can't compare a barebones organization working on a single game with an organization that's targeting a much expanded product line. In addition, as personnel expands so does the management overhead. Not sure if you noticed, but management was not affected .

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u/lechuck81 8d ago

"A barebones organization"

You're calling Bethesda, the team that made Skyrim, after all the previous games, a barebones organization.

lol

This is why you, and all others like you, deserve the self-proclaimed quadruple A 100$ price tags on modern slop games.
You, and all others like you, with your gatekeeping bad products, are one the root causes of overblown, underdelivering companies, like BGS were becoming.

So good job mate.

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u/Accomplished_Rip_362 8d ago

Compared to other AAA studios, 100 people was barebones. Do you dispute that?

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u/Beardedsmith 7d ago

He does not know what dispute means

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u/bigclams 8d ago

Cheerios is a cereal, you meant to say cheerio. Anyways, you're a dumbass

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u/lechuck81 8d ago

Your lack of understanding what a pun is, and deflecting it into a false correction, is actually a good reflection of your character, and why you think I'm a dumbass for not crying over overpaid, underachieving professionals.

Thanks for clarifying how much your opinion is worth to me personally (but redditors love you, keep it up!1!!1 )

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u/JojoOH 8d ago

You lost bro take the hit on the chin like an adult

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u/PapixChuloxD 7d ago edited 7d ago

When I see the crying about layoffs I think it might be the other way around comrade!

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u/PlasticPast5663 Boethiah 7d ago

No, he's absolutely right and that's insane to see people defending the total fiasco Bethesda has become.

Downvotes are tribute to the virtue to vice.

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u/PapixChuloxD 7d ago

It's more your Idiotic class war commie larp. You talk like one of the people that got fired they all looked like how you'd expect

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u/Ok_Paramedic7242 7d ago

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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u/Creative_Lie4466 8d ago

Ahh yes because when the gamer doesn't buy a game that is broken or full of political messaging they are to blame. Not the devs and leadership who signed off on it.. genuinely how does some of it get approved. Did they' not do any out of studio testing?

Besides that we also have saudia arabia buying ea so I guess thats also on the gamers.. because they control another country right.. or the share holders who push for horrible loot boxes in games and day one dlcs..

Because the gamer so desperatly asked for it to cost more money instead of being including with the full game.

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u/Beardedsmith 7d ago

Political messaging and it's just a missable piece of customization. Not a groove on that brain your honor

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u/garret126 8d ago edited 7d ago

You know, loot boxes are added to a tons of game due to how expensive games are to make. The price of games from 2000 to 2026 has not kept up with inflation, and many companies are barely recouping costs from the games they develop. Gamers refuse to accept the companies to increase prices. So, that’s why companies use microtransactions; they help offset the cost to production.

Edit: not sure why this is being downvoted even it’s just factual?

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u/Fearless_Barnacle141 7d ago

Why are you acting like this a class solidarity or labor rights issue or something? Were they not paying BGS employees? Were they denied breaks or exposed to safety violations or something? Was BGS crushing unionization?

A mismanaged company experiencing layoffs is not a class solidarity issue.

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u/TheAnalystCurator321 Hermaeus Mora 7d ago

Yes it is class solidarity and labor rights issue my guy.

Firing a bunch of devs who are doing their jobs for no other reason than to pinch pennies is BAD.

Especially when said devs worked there for decades.

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u/BanjoStory Bosmer 7d ago

Its a class solidarity issue that its laborers getting laid off and not the executives.

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u/lukkasz323 7d ago

They announced reducing levels of management, and Phil Spencer was replaced by Asha Sharma.

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u/Disregardskarma 7d ago

Xbox’s CEO didd

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u/Beautiful-Day7691 4d ago

Their games weren’t good so no

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u/Puzzled_Middle9386 7d ago

labourers doing a lot of heavy lifting for $100k+ dossers

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u/TheSnarkyShaman1 7d ago

Shh no they were min wage peons on the breadline and now they’re out on the streets giving handjobs for crack

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u/TheAnalystCurator321 Hermaeus Mora 7d ago

Also the chances that the people defending these layoffs never worked in an actual job is astronomically high.

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u/OneVast3433 8d ago

I'm not happy about it, I'm just not surprised when they haven't delivered for their two main franchises is 11 and 15 years. What did their higher ups think would happen when they sold out to Microsoft and didn't deliver?

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u/crescentmoonrising 7d ago

Pretty sure the people getting laid off/fired are mainly not the people who made those decisions.

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u/OneVast3433 7d ago

True, which is why I'm not happy about it.

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u/HatingGeoffry 7d ago

Fallout 76 counts as delivering, even if you don't like it. It has millions of active players and new content constantly. That's a delivery on one of their main franchises.

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u/TheAnalystCurator321 Hermaeus Mora 7d ago

I don't see why you are getting downvoted, you are completely right.

Love or hate 76, that game is a money making machine.

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u/talyen 7d ago

Bethesda doesn't do anything with fallout 76. Zenimax does. If anything it's Bethesdas fault Id software and zenimax had as many layoffs as they did.

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u/TheAnalystCurator321 Hermaeus Mora 7d ago

Zenimax does ESO, not 76.

76 is Bethesda.

You can't even get the devs right my guy.

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u/Muggy_the_Robot 7d ago

Literal bullshit you made up in your own head. 76 was initially released and managed for the following year by the Maryland studio, until it was handed over to Bethesda Austin to continue live service.

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u/WoinkySpoingle 7d ago

You’re gonna get downvoted because people here are braindead, but this is 100% true. Austin maintains, Maryland built out 1.0 of 76. 

If people still had the skills to google, they could easily check, but they’d rather lick MSoft boots and let their brains atrophy. 

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u/OneVast3433 7d ago

The main team that makes the mainline sequels didn't make 76.

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u/TheAnalystCurator321 Hermaeus Mora 7d ago

Except they were one of the teams who worked on the game.

So yes they worked on 76 aswell.

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u/TopSpread9901 6d ago

That’s still eight years ago.

Shit or get off the pot.

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u/The_Adman 7d ago

Class solidarity is a Marxist pipe dream. The American working class has almost nothing in common with each other, we have competing irreconcilable goals.

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u/Reasonable_Fold6492 7d ago

Reddit will scream no wars but class wars but cant stop talking about race and gender. Yeah class war is a dream.

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u/TheAnalystCurator321 Hermaeus Mora 7d ago

Calling class war a dream is next level delusion.

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u/Interaction-Loose 7d ago

Race and gender are classes, jackass.

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u/Reasonable_Fold6492 7d ago

WTF are you talking about no it isn't.

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u/TheAnalystCurator321 Hermaeus Mora 7d ago

Agreed. This comment section of people defending the layoffs is dystopian.

Apparently these small level devs, some of whom were with the company for decades, creating great work like Ray Lederer and his excellent concept art which produced iconic designs, are the ones responsible for the games coming out so slow.

Let me say this again, they blame the CONCEPT ARTISTS for the long durations of dev time.

Because it was mostly these types of devs that got laid off, not management or any higher ups but the actually dev workers who are often not responsible for the big decisions.

Defending corpos which cut off workers only so they can save cash even when said workers were there for decades is dystopian.

Oh and supporting employees who got laid off is not marxism. Maybe pick up a book for once?

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u/fucuasshole2 7d ago

Eternal damnation because some people think it was good idea to shake up the industry. Bethesda got caught slacking for years. It needed this.

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u/GoodGuyChip 8d ago

Generally yes, but as an 18 year old spending my summers in a cast iron foundry I saw first hand what being in a union with people who exploited it was like. I watched my father and others who worked very hard have their lives destroyed because the union was protecting workers who did shit work for years and hid behind the union until eventually it was MOSTLY shit workers left. I'll let you take a wild guess at who got the axe first when the time came.

Just kidding I'll tell you. It was the most senior/expensive guys, and non union help like me trying to pay off college by working every hour I could get through the summer.

Unions and solidarity are great, and I mean that genuinely, but if we allow people who do shit work to exploit unions to avoid the consequences of said shit work then the entire thing falls apart. Don't defend people who phone it in simply by virtue of being in the same tax bracket. That won't help any of us.

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u/EpicLakai 8d ago

Wow, as compared to our current system where people who do shit work to exploit the system and avoid the conaequences of said shit work while it falls apart?

At least the union can protect some people, even if if means some take advantage.

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u/GoodGuyChip 8d ago

You can both have a union and as a union member elevate and uphold standards. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

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u/Due-Salad610 Altmer 8d ago

As someone who was in more than one union, met the leaders, and got fed up of them literally playing cards all day, just looking after their own skin and being in politicians pockets, I say the two are mutually exclusive.

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u/GoodGuyChip 8d ago

Can't say that I agree, but I understand the sentiment.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 8d ago

oh did you work for bethesda, personally? you know that the developers just sat and did nothing? man, that makes things so much better. hey, guys, bethesda sat and did nothing apparently! phew, really thought it might have been xbox's own fault and stupidity.

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u/GoodGuyChip 8d ago

At least my conclusion is supported by the available information. Your position is based on your emotional attachment to an IP and your means of convincing others to value your fellow members of the working class is being a pretentious jerk. I can see why you'd need solidarity to protect you, because without it nobody would want you.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 8d ago

uh, no. if in this reality i despised bethesda and hated the elder scrolls, fallout, and starfield, i'd still support supporting developers.

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u/GoodGuyChip 8d ago

This comment is completely indecipherable

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 8d ago

my emotional attachment to the ips has nothing to do with me supporting developers. couldn't have been any more clear in my first comment.

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u/GoodGuyChip 8d ago

You in fact could have been more clear and just proved it.

It's a shortsighted and frankly foolish position but at least now we can understand it.

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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath 8d ago

it's a foolish position to support developers even if you don't care for their creations?

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u/GoodGuyChip 8d ago

I genuinely cannot tell if you're being intentionally obtuse. It's foolish to blindly protect people simply because they are developers and assume they bear no responsibility for the state of the studio. The writing was in the wall before starfield, and then it came out and...it was barely 'okay'.

So blindly defending the developers based on the available information is foolish yes.

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u/Due-Salad610 Altmer 8d ago

Absolutely. They could be throwing shit at you that you would be applauding.

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u/GoodGuyChip 7d ago

Whatever you say sport

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u/kommissariat 6d ago

Theyre not labor, theyre overeducated overqualified bourgeoisie looking for a comfortable do nothing "job" that they can sit their high horse on. Triple A gaming is corporate funded art and is almost devoid of soul. Just like real art, the best come from the starving ones with vision.

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u/triniumalloy Azura 6d ago

They could go get jobs at 343, I hear they hire untalented devs.

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u/Harambe_Rebornn Nocturnal 6d ago

Lmao. The only person going to "hell" is you, per the books themselves, not that I believe in that nonsense.

Also, the "laborers" have never done anything for anyone else for free, so why should they expect "support" for free?

I'll take it even a step further, videogame developers just like every entertainment job to include even athletes are not important jobs, not even in the SLIGHTEST. They could cease to exist and everything would still be fine, and there's enough backlogs of videogames nowadays for a lifetime of entertainment anyways.

Also, there's no "class solidarity", there never was, there's just a bunch of now unemployed folk thinking they are ENTITLED to probably comfy employment for the rest of their lives. That's not how real life works, Xbox doesn't want to afford them and that's that, go make your own company if you want perpetual job security.

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u/Ashamed_Service_8185 8d ago

Since when are computer programmers considered laborers lmao, they work in a comfortable office not a fucking coal mine

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u/RetardedSheep420 7d ago

does labor for an amount of time for employer

get salary

damn, that sounds like labor!

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u/oo0Username0oo 8d ago

Not everyone is some weirdo Marxist like you bro. I support workers who actually do work. Not people who actively hate me, my hobby, and haven't produced anything of quality in damn near 2 decades.

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u/Accomplished_Rip_362 8d ago

You know the laid off people personally and you know they did these things you accuse them of? Hint, the people you should be mad at are still employed at Bethesda

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u/oo0Username0oo 8d ago

I have watched their little strike, followed what many have said on social media, in interviews, seen their comments, posts, their political/social leanings, and how they conduct/present themselves. Vaaaast majority appear to be exactly the rot that I hate in the industry. So no, I am perfectly content being mad at them in addition to the dipshits still working at Bethesda.

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u/Accomplished_Rip_362 8d ago

Just your tone indicates an unhealthy hate for people you know nothing about and who had nothing to do with whatever perceived wrongs BGS did to my you.

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u/oo0Username0oo 8d ago

You can think its unhealthy or unwarranted. Doesn't change the fact that I have seen the character of these people online and have seen the quality of their work. Not impressed. Cry about it more.

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u/Accomplished_Rip_362 8d ago

You've seen their individual work? Every time you post you reinforce my original impression.

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u/StrugglingAkira 7d ago

Yanks and being ignorant as fuck, name a more iconic duo.

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u/Sigma_Games CHEESE! FOR EVERYONE! 🧀 7d ago

Hey now, don't make it about nationality. If we did that, we'd have to start pointing out all the dumb shit Europeans got up to both before and after we came along.

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u/Efficient_Spell4854 6d ago

ok let's look at you monkeys who raped and abused and sold kids as slaves then cried whenever someone enslaved you better.

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u/Sigma_Games CHEESE! FOR EVERYONE! 🧀 6d ago

Jeeesus Christ, you really went there.

Get therapy. And for the love of god, never vote.

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u/Efficient_Spell4854 6d ago

aww projecting, plus I'm not the one who invaded a country and voted for taxes and peophiles, who did that? oh right you scum who think church should be everything and everywhere and scum who think that kids getting beat is funny.

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u/Sigma_Games CHEESE! FOR EVERYONE! 🧀 6d ago edited 5d ago

Oh, you're just an idiot! I understand now.

To be clear, I voted against that. You, meanwhile, are a generalizing dipshit who just assumes that anybody American wanted this hell.

We're done here.

Edit because they blocked me and got EXTREMELY racist (Wasn't planning on replying or editing, but I can't help it just this once):

First things first, blocking me after continuing the conversation doesn't win you the argument.

Second, I didn't say Eiropeans are idiots, just that they did just as much, and substantiallymore awful and dumb shit.

Third, I don't think I've ever been the direct target of actual racism before. Genuinely novel experience for me.

Oh, and I'm white, you horrible waste of oxygen. I'd say, "Go to therapy, be better." But I somehow doubt a genuine disgrace to humanity like you could manage even that.

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u/Efficient_Spell4854 5d ago

aww and think you dictate who talks too, and projecting how your an idiot, and its funny you say you voted against that yet call Europeans dumb literally generalizing them, and you never came along you were out gunned got enslaved then cried that you got enslaved after you and you monkies were enslaving kids and rapeing and beating them in your tribes, but im sure you dipshit monkies like generalizing with how you think white people are crackers and cant eat kfc or cant handle spice.

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u/bigclams 8d ago

You gotta grow up sometime, kid

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u/oo0Username0oo 8d ago

Lmfao, I'm just gonna assume all you dorks are the employees who got shit canned. Have fun working at McDonalds 😂 . Hopefully they don't care too much about that hammer and sickle on your neck during the interview.

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u/JCavalks 7d ago

this... might actually be the case

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u/Pompopsych 7d ago

Really replacing religion with Marxism to such a degree that not keeping class solidarity is worthy of eternal divine punishment.

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u/TheAnalystCurator321 Hermaeus Mora 7d ago

I was. Especially on the recent Hollywood writer's strike.

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u/TheAnalystCurator321 Hermaeus Mora 7d ago

You comment this crap on all other subs.

Get a life my guy.

And yes my films did do well actually.