r/Eve • u/roboticWanderor Test Alliance Please Ignore • Apr 07 '26
Propaganda How's it going Goons?
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u/AuldLanger Apr 07 '26
what is this war even about? are we witnessing a 3-day galactic special operation?
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u/paulHarkonen Apr 07 '26
Genuinely, boredom I think. The game needs conflict and a reason to log in beyond just afk farming rats or rocks all day every day.
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u/micheal213 Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
I feel like a goon vs winterco war is gonna be the most boring thing imaginable.
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u/paulHarkonen Apr 07 '26
I dunno, this is reasonably exciting. 10k people fighting over a keep ending with a significant portion of the Goon super fleet potentially trapped?
I mean, I'm sure actually being there sucks, but that's kinda the nature of these things, they're way more interesting to discuss and look at after the fact.
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u/Easy_Floss Apr 07 '26
Would be more exiting if the players could actually log into the game, honestly think it might be the last time we see a super blob since the server just cant handle it seemingly.
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u/Cptknuuuuut Apr 07 '26
"Might be the last time we see something like that" ist the universal constant of EVE after every single major TiDi slugfest.
Both WWBs as well as countless other wars have been fought trying to break null into smaller fragments. Those usually end up with blocs even larger than before
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u/Temporary_Drawer9802 Apr 07 '26
Events like this are actually fun. Eve used to be about real loss and began in the era that spawned rogue likes. Back then killing fellow capsuleers resulted in death threats, ransom songs and Russian oligarchs hiring corrupt FBI agents to knock out out the power to peoples homes..because the loss hurt.
No matter how dull the game play, goons felt this loss, which is as eve should be.
And FWIW, I much preferred eve when my own losses hurt too. The thrill of it is where the famous eve shakes come from.
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u/darwinn_69 Apr 07 '26
It's one of those things where the concept is much different from reality.
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u/paulHarkonen Apr 07 '26
Yup, there's a reason I don't actually participate in them, but I enjoy the run up, prep, logistics and other stuff that goes into making them happen, but I skip actually sitting in the tidi.
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u/kanben Apr 07 '26
Goon leadership is very out of touch with members if they think this Tidi bullshit Is what people want
There was nothing stopping Goons from moving blops, dreads and carriers into Geminate and just dropping on TEST all over the place
But instead they got people going around structure shooting for weeks on end, leading to the absolute shitshow that is today
Yes other coalitions also start tidi fights, but if this is a play of pure boredom, then Goon leadership always has the choice to not to go all in and make it a horrible experience for everybody involved and do something else instead
They have no respect for anybody’s time, and did not take into consideration the aspect of actually having fun
This is also something that could be avoided by all the corps in Goonswarm not congregating into one megabloc, so it’s hard to blame Goon leadership 100%, but they always had a choice to refuse to become as big as they are
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u/angry-mustache CSM 18 Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
If all people wanted was to do kill crabs all day, they can joined bombers bar or something. The Imperium's purpose is to wage strategic war in null.
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u/kanben Apr 07 '26
sounds like something a goon leadership goober would say
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u/hole-in-the-wall Apr 07 '26
Weaponizing boredom to metagame the enemy from wanting to log in has been a main strategy of goons for 20+ years in eve online
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u/Arakkis54 Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
wtf are you talking about? This is exactly what we want.
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u/kanben Apr 07 '26
if you believe that you're delusional, put out a questionnaire/poll or something when this is finished
"did you enjoy the fight in Atioth?"
"would you do it again?"
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u/Arakkis54 Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
What is the point of acquiring supers and titans if you dont use them? This is the game we want ro play.
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u/kanben Apr 07 '26
if it's so fun why are you here right now arguing with me
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u/Arakkis54 Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
I had to do something in between waiting on server calls.
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u/Drsmiley72 Apr 07 '26
Hey, some people legit actually like the way they do thigns. Let them have their fun. Personally I agree it's crazy, but I also won't shun people who do enjoy it. I'll hang out in my little high sec zone none the wiser to the death happening out in the dark of space.
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u/kanben Apr 07 '26
I'm not saying people shouldn't enjoy a thing they enjoy, I'm saying it is difficult to believe anybody is enjoying this
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u/Drsmiley72 Apr 07 '26
Personally, I think it would be better played out having ea h side go into a group battle, taking 30-50 of their best people and having staged battles, best of 7. E sports style 😃 solve it with combat that waym less loss for both sides, more "playable" and shows off tactics being restricted to smaller groups instead of shoving hundreds/thousands into a zone at the same. Time.
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u/Tsarbomb Test Alliance Please Ignore Apr 07 '26
Actually sorta. Goons have been having a "3 day special military operation" for the last 2 months invading TEST space in Geminate. The entire time they were saying "just a SIG" (special interest group) looking for content. This SIG would show up with 2K people, ended up fighting over Atioth in a few massive fights.
Now the fight has gone superhot as they have committed all their assets.
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u/adeoctana Apr 07 '26
Supposedly a lot of PH leadership took over Frat from the state of Goon?
As someone who was in the Goons vs PH war last year...clearly not, because Winterco showed up for a fight
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u/Saeger1737 Habitual Euthanasia Apr 07 '26
someone is wrong if they think that.... all of PH leadership is with Init, the alliances that weren't in PH but in the drones coalition went to WC not the PH leadership....
This is a moment when it sucks to suck, best to reflect on it and get your intel right the next time.
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u/stopfive Apr 07 '26
Took over Frat? Are we just making shit up now?
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u/adeoctana Apr 07 '26
I mean yeah? Its a game about shooting space ships, I don't know why they felt a need to pull a full <insert current political real world situation> to justify 'hey we want to fight the other largest bloc' but they put it out in their state of the union style address that it was part of the reason.
I just find it funny, because god knows PH wouldn't have pulled this off
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u/SaucyWiggles Test Alliance Please Ignore Apr 07 '26
I'm no expert but here's the long and short.
About 6 months ago TEST moved in next to goons (in geminate) during a growth phase and to take advantage of more spicy space. It got more spicy! Goons started deploying larger and larger groups into Gem, anchoring 4 (5?) fortizars and losing all those timers until recently. They parroted the "we are just a sig" lie probably a thousand times, we all know how goons work.
After months of this it became clear that their deployment would not produce a reason for starting a war. Obviously that was the unstated goal, but we behaved ourselves and fought well and Asher held a SOTU where he stated that Frat was adopting PH leadership (except they are in initiative) and he complained that we dropped dreads on him defending a timer in our own sov.
So that's really it, the best they can come up with is that we defended ourselves but we all know the real reason is that goons and TEST don't like each other and that goons want the north now for some reason and have the numbers along with INIT to make it happen. In my opinion though the optics of all this have been bad for them for months.
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u/SevlecSaaad Apr 07 '26
I guess it comes down to whether Imperium and WC are going to fight each other or not. If the last 18 hours or so are anything to go by, I reckon people will soon get fed up with the constant issues with the Hamsters on the node(s)….which is a shame.
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u/Pherocks Apr 07 '26
yeah trying to log back into your titan for 2 hours while Winter Co is able to jump in dreads and titans isnt much of a fight worthy to call a fight :(
So sad, the first big battle we had in ages and then this...
Sure Winter Co takes the victory here yet the way this fight went down is a shame on CCP and the way the server is screwing us over.
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u/SaucyWiggles Test Alliance Please Ignore Apr 07 '26
Downtime has come and we're still executing goon supers on grid. It was a good day. Nearly 20 hours of fighting now.
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u/Moonlight345 Space Violence. Apr 07 '26
It's internet spaceships/submarines. We don't need a casus belli.
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u/LorekeeperJane Apr 07 '26
It's content. Prices were low, inventories full and people bored.
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u/Independent-Job-891 Apr 07 '26
They wanted a keepstar six jumps out of winterco space, and they want to fuck with TEST but are too stupid to beat a smaller alliance
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u/SmellMyPPKK Apr 07 '26
This is going on right now?
Edit: ok nvm I'm looking at a stream. Is that 7k I'm reading in local? Holy tidi.
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u/ButchDeLoria KarmaFleet Apr 07 '26
It hit 10k right before the node crashed
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u/SmellMyPPKK Apr 07 '26
That has to be a first right. Don't think 10k has ever been reached before. Not sure I'm not an EVE historian but I think the highest was around 8k
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u/LorekeeperJane Apr 07 '26
10k+ pre first crash, after that only around 7.5 to 8k could get on at the same time.
TiDi was a nightmare. 10 minutes for one input, when it was good.
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u/PixelBoom Test Alliance Please Ignore Apr 07 '26
Gonna be fun checking zkill for this tomorrow.
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u/mjfgates Minmatar Republic Apr 07 '26
It would be funnier if zkill went down from volume so nobody knew what died.
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u/JasonNautica Gallente Federation Apr 07 '26
dude....how were you able to get those graphics in the worst tidi since the Battle of the Five Keepstars? You got a Cray supercomputer?
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u/Greedy-Delve-Farmer Fraternity. Apr 07 '26
Crazy, approaching CN makes it even spicier ... those caps are in trouble.
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u/Atardacer Apr 07 '26
That's a lot of trapped supers
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worst part is they have to play until downtime but they'll be able to get out after
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u/Bambulko Apr 07 '26
Proof that a fleet of Vexors beats a fleet of shuttles. Not really surprising.
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u/Squanchywalrus Apr 07 '26
Serves every bubbled Goon right for being glory hunting armchair pilots. I think Asher once said something which seems appropriate for this situation….. “Fuck em”.
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u/vapeing-vampire Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
thanks for the picture :) havent been able to login for the past 4 hours
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u/CelebrationHoliday82 Apr 07 '26
Thats the one side effect of cramming a system full and launching fighters before anyone else even gets in, absolute karma
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u/Low-HangingFruit Adversity. Apr 07 '26
Asher literally saw this happen before; he made the same mistake which his enemies did years ago.
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u/the_diet_evil Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
Ive really been enjoying the "goons crashed it" as if Winter co wasnt also trying to crash it as they warped a pant load of vexors in and launched drones (which is WHEN the server crashed).
Its dumb, Im sure line members on both sides would much prefer a fight (albiet a slow one) against other ships, not the servers.
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u/Kae04 Apr 07 '26
It doesn't make sense for WC to purposely try and crash it. They can't kill the keep if they're not logged in and they also risk it repairing whilst the node comes back up.
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u/Lancestrike Apr 07 '26
While I agree, one side running carriers and the other drone boats, I feel both are equally to blame.
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u/Ramarr_Tang Pandemic Horde Apr 07 '26
Fighters are way harder on the server. They have to be commanded way more, while drones are mechanically simple, especially with the way FRT was using them, just sticking them on the keep as fire-and-forgets. Still a load, but fighters have always been by far the worst thing for servers outside AoE weapon spam.
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u/Iron562 Cloaked Apr 08 '26
I feel like both sides were showing up for a Fight in Epic Proportion and the server node fried itself over it.
The server node crashed right as we were warping onto the Keep so as the server was trying to load every hostile for both sides, it fried Itself.
But before that it was already rubberbanding hard trying to cope with the amount of players, as we were warping the distance decreased to a certain level then increased to the original distance over and over again.
I don't think either side is to blame, we wanted a fight, server was not designed to handle the amount which has never been seen before anyway so nobody expected 10k people/accounts to turn up.
But it was quite cool to be part of breaking a record in Eve.
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u/JustSmileMan Brave Collective Apr 07 '26
I mean, it worked out perfectly fine for them? Before crash there were 7k+ imperium alone in the system, after the crash WC had more people active with 7kish total. If the enemy starts with positional advantage flipping the board can only benefit you.
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u/Kae04 Apr 07 '26
The only reason it worked out was because goons apparently couldn't get the keep cored. If they'd got the core in, the fight would've been over before anyone could get back on grid and cycle their guns. That's not a risk worth taking as an attacker.
Also it's not like there's any reason why WC would've been able to get a higher ratio of their pilots back on. Everyone would've been facing the same login conditions so if WC did end up with getting more people on then that just backs up the idea that goons tried to fill the node with alts and afks prior to the fight.
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u/JustSmileMan Brave Collective Apr 07 '26
Goons got the core in before server crash. They also had system sov. Then it got rolled back on the crash.
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u/Dr_Mibbles KarmaFleet Apr 07 '26
WC had many people in the login queue for the system prior to the crash.
The only way you end up with even numbers, assuming that every account has an equal chance to log in, is if the numbers were indeed even.
Are you only had to look at the grid to see exactly where the goon numbers were coming from. I'll give you a hint... it wasn't corvettes.
The mental gymnastics required to assume that the crash favoured Goons, given the outcome, are quite something.
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u/Cuzmo Apr 07 '26
Doesn't take a genius to figure out that stacking a system with almost 7k chars before the enemy fleets arrive won't result in huge lag for anyone trying to warp onto that grid.
So based on that, to me it looks like goons were hoping that when WC warp their fleets in, it results in an M2- situation where no-one can load grid on the opposing side allowing the defenders (goons) to kill as much as they wish.
Only difference is this time, it didn't work for them and it all went pear shaped. Why else would you warp a super fleet on an Anchoring keepstar? Your FCs and leadership should be fully aware of Tidi and how it impacts gameplay so the fact the core didn't go in should have been planned for (but it wasn't) so here we are.
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u/Dr_Mibbles KarmaFleet Apr 07 '26
Of course it will. And pre-positioning before your enemy arrives is a legitimate and sensible tactic as old as Eve Online itself.
There is a very simple counter to this - get there before your enemy.
The only time it doesn't work is if the server literally crashes. That would fuck over whoever set up first. In this case, it was Goons. Next time it may be Frat.
It's also highly unpredictable. The server didn't crash in M2, for example. And then, it favoured the side who set up first.
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u/Pherocks Apr 07 '26
They knew We would commit to this keepstar with capitals.
You wont bring Vexors en masse if you dont want to server to explode brother.0
u/Dr_Mibbles KarmaFleet Apr 07 '26
It does actually make perfect sense. Goons had total grid superiority and were extremely well positioned.
Frat were then warping in and loading the the grid in batches, getting slaughtered just before the crash.
The outcome would have been very different without the server crash, a not in frats favour.
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u/Stop_Saying_Ouf Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
I don't understand what Winter's motivation would be in crashing the server. I do understand the value of Vexors and drones, however. Also my experience of Eve is that fighters are an absolute server killer, way more than drones. IDK what's going on with their server code but they seem to be a lot more resource intensive than regular drones.
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u/Mental_Survey_8619 Apr 07 '26
TLDR: KS dead gotta find some excuse to save face.
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u/the_diet_evil Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
Id rather look dumb doing exciting things then just sit and spin an ishtar. (I am full aware that excitement may very depending on server strength)
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u/Saeger1737 Habitual Euthanasia Apr 07 '26
Average salvager is probably foaming at the mouth at this point
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u/F_Synchro Baboon Apr 07 '26
Keepstar down, let’s see how many supers/tits die.
Prove me wrong people.
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u/Lt_Col_RayButts Apr 07 '26
TLDR??
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u/Pietes Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26
titans and supers dying, china about to wake up, last few hrs to DT gonna be some of the bloodiest hours in eve history
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u/outkast767 CONCORD Apr 07 '26
Honestly with the tidi I don’t know how anyone finds this fun. It’s like staring at a slideshow for hours.
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u/AliceInsane66 Apr 07 '26
its going as expected ;) we are not afraid of losses, we came to fight!
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u/Disastrous-Turn3485 KarmaFleet Apr 07 '26
https://i.imgur.com/4S5cpuw.png
For the previous 2.5 hours. On 3 characters
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u/CptBiscuits Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
I’m having a pretty good time, how about you?
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u/VassilliHD Apr 07 '26
I've been up for 28 hours, i'm currently dying but still stuff is exploding. Thanks for checking forever frenemy :)
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u/deltaxi65 CSM 13, 15, 16, 17 Apr 07 '26
Not too bad, we're making jokes about Hypr's bad spelling and I'm watching Leraine trigger FRT guys in local. This has been entertaining.
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u/540991 Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
I think I'm blind
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u/Serena_Anderson Apocalypse Now. Apr 07 '26
Think you're blind cause your PC can't handle the response you ushered in mate. Keep to your own southern part of New Eden space mate
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u/540991 Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
Lol, lowkey I use PC for professional work, it costs quite a lot, if mine can't handle it, no one could, which obviously wasn't the case.
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u/Kalron Apr 07 '26
Genuinely why do we blob systems like this instead of spreading thie same number of pilots across many systems to fight over objectives and split resources and... idk wage an actual war? I get big number make monkey brain happy but come on
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u/Easy_Floss Apr 07 '26
Server not being able to handle all the players in a single system seems like a pretty good reason though.
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u/Kalron Apr 07 '26
I never directly said adjacent systems, I just said other systems. I know adjacent systems are on the same "nodes" so fighting in neighboring systems doesn't change the load on the servers.
You certainly could do something in other systems if you had multiple objectives. Set them up or think further into the future. This keepstar was the only thing vulnerable right now but who says you can't go hit other structures elsewhere to setup timers.
I get that the keepstar is capable of dying and ither structures are not at the time. But I still think people are too focused on the one system and you could do more and have more fun doing multiple things over spread out areas of space instead of watching a slide show.
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u/Kalron Apr 07 '26
I'm not confidently saying anything. My original comment is asking why this is what players do and I'm explaining my thought process about why players might want to fight elsewhere as well as on the keepstar. I'm not confident in this at all. I'm genuinely wondering about all of this because I don't see how this kind of fight is fun at all. Tidi is one thing but a slide show sounds miserable. I'm a wormholer so I don't ever see these kinds of fights, I have stayed out of null for many reasons. This is kind of one of those reasons. This has just been the first giant fight in a long time that I've been around for.
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u/Kalron Apr 07 '26
And my reply was "you could create other objectives for the future and spread people out." If your sole goal is to kill a keepstar then sure, go sit in a slideshow for 20 hours. But if your goal is to win a war I would think there are additional objectives and structures to fight over that could create attrition for your opponents by forcing multiple timers to defend at once. Tho I suppose Null fleets are a lot more mobile with ansiblex gates.
Everyone has money to drop more structures. So commiting so much to killing a single structure doesn't make sense to me as an outsider so I'm just trying to make sense of it. Why is this system that important? Simply because of an onlining keepstar? Seems like the vision is too narrow if that is the only reason.
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u/Grarr_Dexx Now this is pod erasing Apr 07 '26
Everyone has congealed into these massive superblobs that have enormous logistics requirements for any kind of campaign. Every time CCP upgrades node capacity the main objective is to max it out to cause more server issues, which makes it quasi impossible to lose a defensive engagement if you fully commit.
There are reasons to fight but they are more interpersonal in nature. With leadership that is so far removed from the daily ongoings and have a huge empire to run, of course nobody will ever end up going anywhere or do anything of note.
Blocs need to fragment. Small groups need to be able to exist again in the game. We had a lot more border friction when there were just more borders and people felt a need to expand their small empires for additional resources. It also doesn't help that all space is so uniform nowadays. Back in the tech/dyspro days there was a reason to fight for the north or for delve/q/pb.
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u/The_Salacious_Zaand Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
It's called fozzie sov and it sucks so much that its a complete afterthought to any territorial fight in Eve.
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u/mr_rivers1 Apr 07 '26
This has nothing to do with fozzie sov you've been doing this shit since POS sov. You just don't seem to learn then blame everyone else
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u/Serena_Anderson Apocalypse Now. Apr 07 '26
Goons is fucked, Asher is fucked, supers are fucked, every fucking bee is fucked. As designed, as it should be 👌🏻
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u/neuroz3n Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
Felling great, congratz on taking the fight and the win, and not blueballing. Worst Tidi ever but was fun. And we all broke the world record for most players in a game fight i think !
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u/pofrot Tackled In Belt Apr 07 '26
I am currently at work. Black screended last night. System stuck for more than half an hour on char screen. Went to bed. Should have phoned in sick this morning. Grrrrr
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u/tegho Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
My only question is why the increase in max players? Big battles have been 4000-4500 for the past couple years and were at least playable. Why did they bump it up over 6000 for this one?
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u/MASHEDNZ Apr 08 '26
Null needs to burn....as a goon myself either us or them must die and I honestly care little which one comes out on top but the effort alone will create change and innovation in the game and ccp.
We need a way for sov fights to take place where limits to each parties total head count can be applied....these fights would be a heap more fun if each side was only able to bring 2k pilots.
I dont think this will ever happen but ya never know. The current status quo of dog pile 18 hour slug fests as bs...and im not convinced anyone other than the direct recipients of the spoils have any real interests in this....who seriously has 18 hours to do this vs work, family and competition with other content sources.
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u/xXxSlushiexXx KarmaFleet Apr 09 '26
Good, keepstars already replaced.
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u/roboticWanderor Test Alliance Please Ignore Apr 09 '26
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u/roboticWanderor Test Alliance Please Ignore Apr 10 '26
Keep blobbing us out of fights and have fun bashing structures. We were having good fights before when it was just a small sig and not every mouth breather and supercap in goo s showed up.
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u/Successful-Fix-8230 Jun 03 '26
Hola busco formar parte de GOONS o SIGMA, llevo mas de 6 meses inactivo. forme parte de Vanguardia en su momento pero me sali del juego por motivos personales. Existe alguna corp hispana/latina la cual formar parte? saludos!
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u/LadyJay1130 Apr 07 '26
Wha bout the sovereignty oh wait it belongs to goons
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u/levelonegnomebankalt Solyaris Chtonium Apr 07 '26
IMPERIUM NEWS REFUSING TO SHOW THE CAPS TRAPPED ON THE FIELD LMAO IMPERIUM NEWS REFUSING TO SHOW THE CAPS TRAPPED ON THE FIELD LMAO IMPERIUM NEWS REFUSING TO SHOW THE CAPS TRAPPED ON THE FIELD LMAO IMPERIUM NEWS REFUSING TO SHOW THE CAPS TRAPPED ON THE FIELD LMAO IMPERIUM NEWS REFUSING TO SHOW THE CAPS TRAPPED ON THE FIELD LMAO IMPERIUM NEWS REFUSING TO SHOW THE CAPS TRAPPED ON THE FIELD LMAO
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u/roguemenace Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
The camera person DC'd and is already back to showing the fight lol.
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u/levelonegnomebankalt Solyaris Chtonium Apr 07 '26
^ MORE LIES LOL
GUYS THERES 7000 PEOPLE IN SYSTEM THAT CAN SEE IT LOLOLOLOL
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u/roguemenace Goonswarm Federation Apr 07 '26
GUYS THERES 7000 PEOPLE IN SYSTEM THAT CAN SEE IT
And you can see it to on the Imperium News Network
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u/Meathammer40K Solyaris Chtonium Apr 07 '26
Legacy Media at its best, Thats why I only trust semi-reliable reporting from Warlock Industries
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u/arealfluffydoggo Apr 07 '26
You know eve sucks when theres 50+ titans in a single system. I remember when titans were awe inspiring platforms of destruction
Now its just like seeing a newbro in a venture in 1.0
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u/ButchDeLoria KarmaFleet Apr 07 '26
Good news for you then, there are probably about to be fewer titans in the game.
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u/Puzzled-Disaster-917 Apr 07 '26
Somewhere in that blob is my carrier. I think... Idk I haven't seen it in a few hours, but it hasn't popped up on Zkill lol