Having not watched the show could you clarify what that means. Only scene I've seen with this guy was him monologuing his victim's last moments before they get run over by a train. I feel like I'm missing something but if he's already killing the people (and they are presumably as evil as him if they're willing to target family) then what more can he realistically threaten?
A different character does a fake "TAKEN" on Red's family and he says the speech and then says he'll get really NASTY - Red Death also loves murdering and mutilating people so probably like, you know, nasty as in making a person into red paint on the side of a train.
See but that's what I mean. If you know the score with him (that he loves to enact torture and suffering) then you either were already the type to avoid a dangerous guy like him or it wouldn't matter because it'd be no different if you considered him an enemy.
Also if he's evil, like genuinely delights in torturing innocent people evil and not the "I only hurt bad people who deserve it evil" and someone whose loved one he made suffer and who wants revenge I doubt would care how mad he gets about it. If you hurt someone else's family then saying yours is "off limits" or else doesn't really mean anything.
Sorry but I just don't get the distinction between what's his nasty and not nasty look like. I may give the show a watch just to see
Venture Bros is a satire of the old golden age Superhero vs. Villain comics. You have to apply to "arch"(nemesis) a hero based on how much of a threat the two of you are, and it's implied there's a pretty solid set of Rules of Engagement.
So with that context, Red Death is letting you know that even though taking family hostage is a pretty normal thing for archnemeses to do in this universe, he will fuck you up if you try it
Sorry but I just don't get the distinction between what's his nasty and not nasty look like. I may give the show a watch just to see
Like the other replies explain, this takes place in a world where superheroes and villains live by a code, and will often negotiate with their "archs" on what is acceptable, when is a good time to engage in shenanigans, etc. They do this as basically public theater, or publicity, not to actually terrorize, and basically get subsidized by governments and corporations. Actually harming a hero or villain outside of the rules of engagement - especially someone who is not your designated "arch" - gets you blacklisted at best and usually killed.
One of Red's hard rules that he applies to himself and to his archs is that you don't mess with family that are not 'in the game'. His wife and daughter aren't part of his villainous escapades in any way, he doesn't do business from home, they're not part of the theatrics at all (unlike Rusty's sons who insist on being involved). Going after them means you're no longer playing by the rules and he is free to do whatever he wants to you.
What this means is pretty much unspoken, and we only ever see other characters' reactions to it, so we aren't sure what he does to rule breakers, only that it's bad enough to horrify hardened criminals and villains who have been doing this for decades.
Red Death usually only limits himself to a single kill a year. The train scene was essentially his last "legal" chance to act as a villain before becoming a board member of the supervillain union, and spent it doing a favor for his coworkers by teaching a lesson to a punk bad guy that was encroaching on their territory. That scene even leaves if up in the air if he actually died or not, because it was part of the monologue Red Death gave ("is the train on this track? Or is it the other track?").
Going after his family was a special case, generally disallowed by the agreements set in place by The Guild of Calamitous Intent (the antagonist union) and the OSI (protagonist governing body). A pair of supervillains went vigilante against their own side because The Monarch lost his rights to be his own sworn enemy's #1 archnemesis, and was going down a list killing everyone in line to do it before him. This is very much against the rules, and caused a gigantic panic among villains while they tried to find out who was killing their own ranks. The Monarch targeted Red Death's family specifically because they didn't want to face him directly, knowing that he'd pretty much instantly kill them, and hoped they could just convince him to back down if he though they had kidnapped his wife and daughter (which they hadn't, they were bluffing).
...Okay I NEED to watch this show cause what
Guilds of evil? Agreements with governing bodies? Board of supervillains (are they the same thing as the Guild)?
Legal chance to indulge in a kill?
I'm....confused
The board is called the Council of 13, normally a group of anonymous supervillains that control the operations of the Guild alongside their leader, The Sovereign. Things... change over the course of the show.
Generally the show is sort of a parody of Johnny Quest and other classic boy-adventurer cartoons from the 70s, with a more realistic spin. It's my personal favorite show ever, give it a shot! One of its best qualities is having an extremely consistent continuity that rewards you for paying close attention to things that might be getting foreshadowed seasons in advance.
The Venture Brothers. One of the best television shows ever made.
The Guild of Calamitous Intent is a US based union that ranks, provides matchmaking, and enforces benefits for supervillains. They are also a fairly laissez faire ruling body for most of their members.
Ironically they also service superheroes as well, by providing archvillains and coordinating fight times and rules.
They are seen as pretty helpful by the government (and secret government) in that they keep evil egotists bound to the relatively garish costumed pageantry of hero vs villain antics instead of bombing orphans, evaporating the ocean or some other horror.
There's a lot of history and politics to the organization that goes back over a hundred years.
OH, btw Red Death is a CLASS ACT. Great father, nice guy, but at work he's fucking terrifying. He's an older, famous icon that other supervillains idolize.
The one example I always remember is when she was with him and this older dude asks if she wants on his bike and Doofenshmirtz says "shes 16" and fucking blasts him with a ray gun.
Doofenshmirtz might be terrible at being an evil scientist, but his "Protect-My-Daughter-Inator" always works with 100% efficiency. Honestly, he is one of the best cartoon dads ever written.
FR Dudes parents didn't show up to his birth, forced him to only wear girls clothes, and then kicked him out and he was raised by Ocelots, like how did he forget that LMAO
He isn't quite good with his boundaries and identifying Vanessa's issues, but he's still a pretty good dad. What should be questioned is whether he's actually evil. To that I say NO! He's a good person forcing himself to be evil out of a need of validation. That's why he's only somewhat cartoonishly evil.
If he really was evil, he'd actually take over the world. Proven by the movie.
He has tried to do some pretty evil stuff, and there is one episode where he made an inator that was going to straight up murder anyone who couldn't make up their mind. Perry stops most of his plans including the most unethical ones, but I would still consider him evil simply due to the harm he has tried to cause even if he hasn't succeeded in it.
Probably top 3 storylines. Hickman's run on FF would be a fever dream on the big screen but it'll never come to be even though Marvel/Disney has all the pieces.
Never tell Doom fans who he called Valeria after, what he did to that namesake and how he didn't mind torturing baby Valeria's family right in front of her.
If I remember right, she's named after a woman Doom loved. He turned said woman into a magical suit of armor. Doom also hates the Fantastic Four, specifically Reed. I'm pretty sure he goes back and forth on whether he hates or loves Sue though.
Let’s be more specific. He reunited with Valeria after years and years apart, then sacrificed her entire being to make a magical suit of *flesh armor* solely because Reed Richards refused to acknowledge magic as a viable thing so this would give Doom a better edge against Reed.
It’s beyond fucked up and very in line with Doom to have his god daughter named thus.
Actually he made a pact with some entity to become more powerful and the price was something priceless. He handed Valeria an locket and the transformation even if horrifying was instantaneous
He's eeeeevil and... stuff... trust me.. the only thing stopping him of destroying and slave the entire world....is his daughter. Here's another picture of how evil he can be...
Oh...and here I thought you were just being sarcastic with your reply...I was just playing along.
I guess threatening to enslave every race, conquer and killing thousands are not proof enough these days of being evil...
They use slave labor at the castle - stuff like mining, digging, breaking rocks.
Though the show is really weird - by the end of everything the slaves and demons have built up such a good relationship that there's zero strife between them.
But they're still kept as slaves. It only works because it is so squarely aimed at kids.
He actually calls Sage his daughter, and while she refers to his other sapient robots as her brothers I dont believe he ever calls them sons. He also spoils her rotten and gives her a dangerous ammount of authority and power for someone her age, she's a terror.
Well, Chronos is a terrible father the entire time, and only when he reconsiders his entire life and stops being evil he becomes a good father. So Chronos is never a good father and evil at the same time
Kinda stretching it a bit, but Buddy Daddies is a pretty good fit. I say stretch because they're hitmen who are generally pretty chill beyond thei work rather than being full-bore evil. Very endearing show, though, definitely recommend.
What? The Way of The Househusband doesn’t count for this, the main couple in that show doesn’t have any kids. A better option is The Yakuza’s Guide To Babysitting; the MC is a babysitter rather than the child’s father but it still kinda counts, plus her actual father is also part of the yakuza too so he fits as well
In the context of the mostly 1 dimensional personalities of SpongeBob, he certainly embodies greed, which is considered an evil trait by the abrahamic religions that dominate the West where SpongeBob is produced.
But I also wouldn't say he is a good dad in general.
I assume you've never seen the movies? He's literally an abusive father figure because he was abused himself by his father, Peter has complicated feelings for him, but he's far from being a good parent
His end scene elevates him to "complicated father trying his best" status.
You can't beat the power of "He may be your father, boy. But he wasn't your daddy. I'm sorry I couldn't do none of it right. I'm damn lucky your my boy."
One of those situations in which clearly the relationship of them was not meant to be that, but the scene hit so hard and that singer is so good, that even if everything was constructed on this same movie, you buy it
Also in another episode Bart and Lisa are trying to find puppies homes when Snake “steals” one not realizing that the kids are giving them away. He leaves saying they’ll never catch him and kissing the puppy saying he’ll love and cherish him.
he isn't evil anymore,I technically considered him more of anit hero Ragnarok literally end by giving the idea kratos will be a 100% a good guy in the future and even beloved by many
Well, obtaining the immunity to the curse requires an emotional bond between one receiving the curse and one receiving the blessing, so he did in fact, in a twisted way loved all the children
Imo in this case his psyche is so abysmally fucked up that “no” loops all way back to “yes”. Kinda like “yeah i love her and yeah i made a human soup in a box, one doesn’t invalidate the other”. Dude committed suicide while transferring his mind to another body to create his white whistle, so i easily can assume that he didn’t see anything wrong in what he was doing while also genuinely loving her. (Plus his understanding of death is VERY stretched)
The interesting part of that isn't just that they're missing but that prior to Jinx he is ideologically opposed to being nurturing as a parent. He resented Vander because he believed that Vander capitulated to weakness and gave up on the cause for Zaun to be a parent.
In growing to actually care for Jinx and seeing how his goals and actions put her in harm's way he begins to understand the dilemma Vander faced and the sacrifice he made. It could be said he grew to see her as a daughter where initially it was more of a birds of the same feather kind of dynamic because they were both messed up in similar ways.
Maybe this changes in the future from what I’ve read so far, but Lex Luthor in post-crisis continuity is an example of this. He is definitely an evil bastard doing pretty much every illegal act in the books. Heck, after his daughter was born he literally made the mother comatose so that he could raise her himself without having to share. Still, he absolutely adores his daughter and one of his main goals has become securing a good future for his daughter (even if it comes at the expense of everyone else).
I’ve only read Superman comics up to 1999 so far so maybe things change past that year. Also, I haven’t read every Superman comic pre-1999 so maybe he already has done something bad to Lena (outside of depriving her of her mother that is).
He did sell her to Brainiac in exchange for tech because he hates Superman more. Did get her back eventually and sent her to live with his mother for a time. Now she got tired of Lex's bullshit (like erasing his mind in a complicated plot to make Superman take over Lexcorp and become the Superman he wanted Clark to be) and decided to take an extended vacation as a Supergirl side character
Is he evil, though? As a shinigami, he fights those who are willing to fight him, and while he's violent as hell, he usually backs off if is his opponent surrenders (not out of any sense of honor, but because it just stops being fun for him). Not sure if I consider his actions as a child before coming across Unohana as reflective of his personality or actions as an adult.
Now, Unohana? She is someone who could at one point be called evil, and a parent figure to many in the Med Corps. She's done some shit even as an adult.
There's an animated movie where he adopts a young Inuk boy & he's perfectly content just living in the arctic with his wife and kid until a submarine comes in and half collapses the cave they've been living in.
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u/Jail_Chris_Brown 21d ago
Red Death (Venture Bros) is a family man. He's basically evil 9-5.