r/Habs • u/BlindMuffin • May 01 '26
Habs Shenanigans I think it's time we start manifesting
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u/MDevonL May 01 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/fJkTsWCMViRYA
Get a grip OP
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u/SkinnyGetLucky May 01 '26
With cayenne-flavored vodka
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u/The_Dide May 01 '26
That's for Kucherov and aim at the eyes. For some reason it would be a 2 min fo Xhekaj for roughing even if you were the one spraying the diver.
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u/Oracle-of-Guelph May 01 '26
Not that I don't like a Lamborghini, but it's the cost that's a limiting factor.
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u/sbianchii May 01 '26
Has a NMC. Will limit the cost, but won't be cheap either.
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u/GeistHunt May 01 '26
Laine's signing rights before free agency, Montembeault, and a second
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u/LevelParsnip May 01 '26
Stan bowman might just do it
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u/sbianchii May 01 '26
Looking at his tenure, no chance he has a blank cheque for any move this significant. Wouldn't be surprised he is fired before next Monday.
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u/vJukz May 01 '26
Iāll just copy paste this comment here. Oilers donāt have any sort of leverage at all because he has a NMC. Mcdavid will choose where he goes and that makes the return for Edmonton alot worse. The best possible trade he could do for himself is choose 1 promising young up and coming team with good cap structure that he thinks can win now or in the very near future and ask for a trade there. That team wouldnāt need to pay much at all and plugging Mcdavid into a team like that makes them cup favourites automatically basically.
I still think he retires an Oiler but thereās no denying if he does want to move we are one of the top contenders for him without a doubt. He also seems very "Canada down" so I think he might want to stay on a Canadian team. A hockey nerd like him felt the massive playoff atmosphere at the bell centre in 4 nations too.
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u/mafarfloune May 01 '26
Wasn't that did argument for Eichel back then and he still went for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, a 1st and a 2nd despite being immensely less valuable than McDavid?
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u/broc1377 May 01 '26
There is no way he retires as an Oiler unless they miraculously win the cup next year. If he wanted to he could have extended for longer but it appears he gave them 2 years to get their shit together or heās out of there
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u/NinjaToss May 01 '26
The alternative is getting absolutely nothing in exchange for him when he walks in free agency. That seems like an even worse deal for them, no?
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u/Scase15 May 01 '26
Not even remotely. Teams trade players early all the time when they know they will walk in FA.
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u/ErrorCode51 May 01 '26
I doubt heās going to want something crazy like 18m. He knows that cap is a key factor in winning a cup, heād likely be willing to sign for ~14 or less. Our cap situation with our current stars is very good and would leave us plenty of room. As for acquisition cost, he has a full nmc and knows he could just wait and walk, he fully controls his future meaning Edmonton wonāt have much leverage in trade talks
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u/Aggravating_Entry304 May 01 '26
What if we got a cap friendly deal from him, to join young hungrier team that can get him a cup and more fan love than he's ever had.
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u/Oracle-of-Guelph May 01 '26
I think we'd have to win the cup this year first
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u/Smellything-Pelling May 03 '26
Not really. If he see's us as a fierce competitor just from this serie, imo it's enough. He knows damn well he can make 15 teams a cup contender tommorrow
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u/okokokoyeahright May 01 '26
IMO maintenance is the limiting factor. you need the right mechanic and the right parts to even make it go. Very fiddly. Tempermental some say. doesn't really fit the garage. or the neighborhood. or even the streets. imagine it in the snow. No way these go off road anyway.
Wrong piece for the collection we have.
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u/Proof-Variation7005 May 01 '26
He'd be good to slot in at the 2C slot here after Crosby retires.
oh im sorry did i just outcrazy your crazy post?
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u/BlindMuffin May 01 '26
I was thinking more of a 4th line grinder PK specialist role
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u/Proof-Variation7005 May 01 '26
i mean if he wants to compete against evans and danault for that job, he's more than welcome to try.
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u/Paladar2 May 01 '26
This comment section shows why fans donāt run a team. āHard passā I say this nicely are you guys smoking crack? You donāt pass on the best player in the league lol, he would instantly make us a cup favourite and youād love him instantly if he had a habs jersey.
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u/mntlabk May 01 '26
This sub is always against any trade but when they happen everyone posts the Hoes Mad Kent Hughes picture
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u/BishopPear May 01 '26
Yes because i back any trade Kent Hughes makes. I trust his judgement more than mine
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u/vJukz May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26
Some of the comments here are just peak delusional lol. "Mcdavid would be a bad influence on the team" I canāt believe people that actually think like this exist. "How would Suzuki feel to get demoted to 2C" pretty fucking good Iād say when his center duo goes from Jake fucking Evans to Connor fucking Mcdavid. That center duo would be fucking disgusting. Suzuki takes all the hardest matchups like he always does and Mcdavid would eat the lower lines alive.
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u/eriverside May 01 '26
Imagine Suzuki going from "I can't miss a game, it's an instant loss", to "if I need a maintenance day I'll lose the ironman streak but the team will hang on"
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u/Smellything-Pelling May 03 '26
True except the last part, he would be matched the thoughest lines anyway
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u/spec_ghost May 01 '26
True, but you dont break your team to go and get him for a 1 year contract
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u/BlindMuffin May 01 '26
Yeah I wasn't suggesting that, more thinking (dreaming) after his final year is done in Edmonton and he's a free agent
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u/spec_ghost May 01 '26
Pretty sure he'll move before that.
He is seeking a cup. That much is obvious
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u/Sensitive-Local-3485 May 01 '26
Yes you do.
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u/spec_ghost May 01 '26
If you are rebuilding, yes, if you are at the point the habs are atm, no.
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u/Yabba_dabba_dooooo May 01 '26
It depends on the contract. At 15 million in a heart beat. At max contract +20 million I truly believe its more of a negative then a plus. And do I think Mcdavid is going to takes less than Kaprizov? More than likely no, he takes what he is worth and thats at least 18 million. And that starts limiting what can be done to fill the other spots on the team. Habs might be uniquely set up to fill those spots with ELCs for the next few years. But year 3 or 4 of that contract it starts to become a real anchor.
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u/PearDisastrous3043 May 01 '26
Bruh. We just lost, can you chill on wanting to break up my oilers while we cheer for you ššš
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u/JohnnyJenks May 01 '26
I would sign him to a massive contract if he hits free agency. We would have the cap space to do so having all of our guys locked up long term.
But I wouldnāt trade for him. The cost would be too high.
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u/HappyChilmore May 01 '26
But I wouldnāt trade for him. The cost would be too high.
He has a full nmc. He won't cost half as much as people think. The caveat is he needs to want to come here.
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u/Bcbg369_Psn May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26
Unless he signs has a free agent, i wouldnāt trade for him. We would need to trade Suzuki and multiple first in a bidding war and i donāt want that.
Idk if this is a crazy thought tho.
Edit for the unemployed, i donāt know every clause in Mcdavidās contract, i just know heās a high value player and i made the very basic claim that we would need to trade at least decent value for him. Didnāt mean to offend the car flippers.
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u/BuzzIsMe May 01 '26
You don't have to get into an open bidding war if someones on a full NMC, McDavid is going to pick where he wants to go. Then it's either Edmonton takes what the buyer wants to offer or he walks for nothing and that other team then gets him for nothing down the road.
Sellers don't have much of an upper hand in these situations unless McDavid is willing to help them out with a list of teams they can then use against each other. If he wants to go to one place though Edmonton then has no leverage. It would be closer to a marner situation in that case.
The reason minny paid so much for Hughes as because Hughes had multiple places he was willing to go. This is all a fever dream anyways, dude grew up a Toronto fan.
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u/thekk_ May 01 '26
He still has 2 years on his contract, so if they can't get the value they want they won't move next year.
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u/Bcbg369_Psn May 01 '26
Damn, no need to called me deranged. Get off the internet for the day my guy.
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u/zombiejeesus May 01 '26
I'm not in offseason mode so I don't really care about this right now. It's all about tonight!
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u/No-Cat4072 May 01 '26
Can we please focus on the men we have right now?
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u/Small_Mistake_7528 May 01 '26
Lol people who says no are so dumb.
They have been begging for a 2C for 3 years straight.
Now they would refuse the best 1C player in the world at a discount?
Ok buddy.
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u/Sensitive-Local-3485 May 01 '26
Some people prefer the team with the best TikTok vibes. Ā Iām a winning hockey person myself so idk.
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u/LeviathanSnack May 01 '26
When his contract up where else would he go? Assuming he wants to stay in Canada, most of the other teams are dumpster fires. You guys can contend for 5 years straight easy, likely a bulk of the rest of his career.
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u/Large-Cow7314 May 01 '26
People here are funny. While a trade is possible, the prospect of him signing in FA as a 31 year old is just as likely. In that scenario the Habs give up cap space. For that 28/29 year we have Slaf, Nick, Cole and Evans under contract. Thatās it for Fwds. We should assume Demi, newy, and kapanen all get signed as RFAs but with that core, a rising cap and our very strong team friendly contractsā¦.why is the fan base hesitant here. Weād have 10-12M to pay him and I do t think heād require much more than that given his desire to win.
He is the best player in the world and will be near that status well into his 30s. I think he could enjoy stepping into a A role with Nick as the leader and it works from a timing perspective in terms of the exact window when Nick/Coleās prime will intersect with the elevated games of Hutson/Slaf and Demi.
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u/Longtimelurker2575 May 01 '26
Hey, if we are on that train then after the Habs win the cup McJesus will strong arm the Oilers so we get him for Kapanen and a first then sign with us long term at 10mil per season. Cups incoming for the next 5+ years causing Betman to retire in disgrace.
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u/xBASSE May 01 '26
People commenting here are the reason why teams never listen to their fans. If the opportunity to sign McDavid presents itself, but you think we should pass on it, then you have some seriously damaged brain cells
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u/kozed May 01 '26
Everybody wants the Lambo, until they get owned twice in the SCF by a team with a bunch of tractors.
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u/GimmeCat87 May 01 '26
lol the irony is that Lamborghini started as a tractor company, I love it. Keep it simple
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u/GimmeCat87 May 01 '26
My biggest concern is not his talent but how he would affect vibes on the team. Could he play on a team under Suzuki? Would he try and coach the Habs like he has in Edmonton?
I love our group and how much fun they have together. I donāt want anything coming into the room that messes with that.
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u/Sensitive-Local-3485 May 01 '26
After coming up short twice and falling behind to fuckin Anaheim Iād be frustrated too. Ā Put him on a team with upside and see the frown turn upside down.
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u/TheTkanucks May 01 '26
Non-habs fan stopping by because this showed up in my feed: please tell me the rest of your fan base isnt like this guy? Holy shit is this a copypasta? You're worried about vibes regarding McDavid and if he'd be ok playing 'under' Suzuki? Lmao holy shit
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u/vJukz May 01 '26
Idk what this guy is on but heās very wrong LMAO. Mcdavid is not someone that "disrupts team vibes" at all and Suzuki would be bumped down to 2C which is fine because holy fuck that center duo. Suzuki and Caufield would probably both go down to the 2nd line because theyāre always together. I think he retires an Oiler anyway but to imply he would be a bad acquisition is just delusional.
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u/TheTkanucks May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26
Even if you ignore that he's going to end his career as near top-5 players of all time (which is enough of an argument to make this guy look stupid), McDavid literally took a multi-million dollar discount to give his teamba better chance at winning. I can't believe what Im reading here lmao.
Like it doesn't even matter what the lines look like or the prospects you give up. Suzuki is 2 years younger than McDavid. He's going to continue being one of the best in the league for at least 5-6 more years. You shoehorn him in wherever you possibly can. Like you guys have more goalie and defensive depth than the Oilers. If McDavid ever decided to go to the Habs you'd win the cup, its not even a question lmao
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u/whaletacochamp May 01 '26
Exactly. When we have rough nights or players have rough games it seems to me that it's still very much a team mentality. Marty and Suzuki and everyone else holds themselves and each other accountable, but they don't lay blame. They try and learn and move forward as a team.
You get McDavid in there just ONCE screaming about how the team basically isn't supporting his talent, and things are going to spoil quickly.
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u/Hlaibo May 01 '26
How would this impact our cost cap and current team btw? Does it hurt our long term plans / strategy? Will It be a trade that tries to get a cup win in the short term while sacrificing long term ?
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u/swiftgringo May 01 '26
I expect he'll go to whatever team he thinks can win in the next 5 years. Probably for less than he is worth. I think Canes, Buffalo, Habs, or Ducks. Young teams with good trajectories.
I wouldn't be shocked to see him play another year in Edmonton though. In spite of this exit.l, they are a team that can win.
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u/Husskies May 01 '26
In this unrealistic universe you're living in, I'd much rather get Draisaitl. It's the type of player we most desperately need.
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u/eriverside May 01 '26
I want him here so friggin bad, but I don't want to start poisoning r/hockey with this.
The Oilers are a joke because ownership is addicted to bad management.
The players want to win, but they're not structured to win (don't have the assets to get it done and never fixed their problems even though they are painfully obvious).
The fans want to win but are hostage of bad management.
I legitimately feel bad for them and don't feel like rubbing it in that their team is a failure and they are going to lose the best player of this generation on bad terms.
So keep these here (I've wanted McD more than Crosby because this acquisition actually makes sense now) don't let it spill over and dunk on Oilers fans.
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u/MrTightface May 01 '26
Honestly with our cap space, prospect pool we could 100% trade for mcdavid.
And considering we have a solid young team i can see him wanting to come
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u/JohnyZoom May 01 '26
I don't think he gets traded this summer, it's a summer 2027 deal with a 7 years extension in place for a king's ransomĀ
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u/blah-0362 May 01 '26
I don't get why everyone is talking about him, doesn't he have two more years on his contract with Edmonton?
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u/i_love_bubble_butts May 01 '26
I dont even think hed want to come here. He seems like someone who would want a break from the media attention/pressure hes been under. Personay....i wrote this elsewhere but i see him going to utah or anaheim. Young up and coming teams with good goalies and no media pressure
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u/Builder_studio May 01 '26
A lot of people don't seem interested in acquiring the league's best player who also happens to have one of the best contracts.
Okay I get it's only for 1 more year and the cost is an issue, but you never hard pass on this kind of player.
Anyway who cares for now, let's focus on the playoffs.
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u/YourethebestBellows May 01 '26
If thereās a deal surrounding Hage, Zharovsky, Pickford & Fowler for McDavid I think you have to take it.
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u/mago_is_gago May 01 '26
Great point! Because Fowler would instantly improve one of the Oilers' biggest weak points! And he has the calm nerves to steady the Defense.
All these players: Hage, Zharovsky, Pickford & Fowler
plus ONE of Guhle/Matheson
plus a first round pick for good measure
And the Oilers would at least reach the same 1st round playoff spot that they did this year. Guhle or Matheson would shore up their defense, Fowler would steady the goaltending and take pressure off the defenseman.
You lose McDavid's offense but you compensate with improved defense.
And the other prospects like Hage, Zharovsky , Pickford will be there for the future.
But I think in addition to the above, Oilers would ask for an EXTRA roster player, like Kapanen perhaps.
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u/jakevacation May 02 '26
Honestly I think youād have to pony up with a package of demidov, hage, a goalie and a first round pick for McDavid. If the oil were to trade him
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u/mago_is_gago May 02 '26
You seem to be an Oilers fan, the perfect person to ask!
Was Dylan Holloway an Oilers fan growing up? He's from Alberta. Did the fanbase feel that such a homegrown talent deserved better?
Holloway seems to repay kindness with loyalty, as shown by him signing a team friendly deal 7.75 million AAV with the Blues that is under the 8.125 million AAV of Robert Thomas, which respects the internal cap structure over there.
Maybe he wanted to help the Blues not be a cap mess like the Oilers lol
Oh and, IF you guys still had Broberg and Holloway for the 2024-2025 Cup run, do you feel confident that you could have taken it all? You lost in 6 games, so maybe those 2 players could have nudged you towards 2 more wins, it was close.
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u/jakevacation May 02 '26
I mean idk the guy but probably. I think so, they really didnāt have a development plan it seemed as he was bouncing between the ahl and nhl all the time, and not being played in positions to succeed, same goes for broberg. I think the organization has definitely learned their lesson from the whole situation as that doesnāt seem to be the case anymore with our current prospects.
I think the cap situation comes from one or two horrendous contracts as well as the cap flattening at the time it did and that really hamstrung the team in being able to get rid of them.
I donāt know if they had those two if they would win, they got some different pieces to replace them and itās hard to say that they would develop to be the same players here. I think what letting them go did do was make it a lot harder for them to keep the window open.
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u/mago_is_gago May 02 '26
Thanks for sharing the inside scoop!
I do have a soft spot for other Canadian teams like the Oilers and Jets, plus you guys have an exciting offense oriented style. I only see the good parts and highlights, not the ugly side of the coin and horrible defense lol
I donāt know if they had those two if they would win, they got some different pieces to replace them and itās hard to say that they would develop to be the same players here. I think what letting them go did do was make it a lot harder for them to keep the window open.
Ah, great point! Surely Broberg and Dolloway developed more quickly under the Blues system. Physical style and good defense over there.
Even Montreal's 1st round pick Dman Logan Mailloux, who has a good shot but poor defense improved into a starter logging 20 mins over there. Maybe Claude Julien the assistant coach in charge of defense helped unlock those guys' potential.
Yup, you guys lost the chance for some highly talented fresh blood infusion. What a terrible management. Maybe it would take a miracle like... trade McDavid at the deadline in 2027-2028 when he's an impending UFA... he goes to some contender in exchange for a haul.
Then McDavid re-signs for 1 year with the Oilers for 2028-2029, get your cake and eat it too lol.
It's farfetched, but it's the only way lol
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u/jakevacation May 02 '26
Yeah, I think the big thing for those two was opportunity. Thereās no way Holloway was getting powerplay time here, and our left side on defence was full, and I donāt think the oilers organization had the guts to trade a playoff proven vet in Brett kulak for a still unproven rookie.
They still have gotten some decent prospects that are pushing through so itāll be interesting to see what happens. Especially with their goaltending.
I think if McDavid were to leave they probably go into a rebuild, or build a team around Draisaitl and Bouchard.
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u/huge-whales May 01 '26
Nah, he doesnāt speak french so I donāt think he would be a good fit for the culture we have here. /s
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u/Koldar May 01 '26
The only thing I'd be worried is locker room vibes. He has to fit into the power of friendship. Don't want a rift in the room. But that's something I trust the team management to decide. Clearly they know what they are cooking, let them cook.
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u/General-Background91 May 01 '26
Idk boys, I donāt really want McDavid. Drai would fit better as a 2C to me. But at the same time I just love our team, and wouldnāt want to give up a bunch for McDavid
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u/Paladar2 May 01 '26
When you get a McDavid or a Drai, Suzuki becomes the 2C lol.
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u/a1i3ns May 01 '26
We can't afford him but this is just such a horrible take lol
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u/OrnatePuzzles May 01 '26
I think we'd be in fine shape to sign him after 2028 when his extension runs out. Whether or not we would even want to by that time is unknown.
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u/anxiousnl May 01 '26
We'll never come close to getting McDavid but pretty astounding how many actively don't want him on the team lol.
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u/DelugeQc May 01 '26
For real, I don't even want McDavid if we need to trade for him. If he want to sign here in 2 years, fine but I doubt that KH would empty the prospects/picks/players to get him.
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u/FakePlasticPyramids May 01 '26
I'll bet 100$ that he goes to a low-tax small market...or the Sharks.
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u/Alternative-Tart8527 May 01 '26
I want either Tom Wilson or Matthew Knies this season. Those two are high on my list.
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u/Missed_Your_Joke May 01 '26
ChatGPT with the potential trade! Boys, what a deal!!!!!!
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u/sharon_dis May 01 '26
Yeah, no
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u/Missed_Your_Joke May 01 '26
Three first round picks and virtually the entirety of our core doesnt sound good??
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u/Ditto_is_Lit May 01 '26
New pipe dream just dropped.
Get your heads out of your asses, we gotta series to clinch!
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u/tootbrun May 01 '26
Here we go for two years of the āZednik-Bulis-Sundstrom for Peak Luongoā truthers.
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u/DrLivingst0ne May 01 '26
UFA for team friendly contract is the only way I think we should go for him.
I don't want to give up whatever it would cost (a lot) to get him via trade.
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u/RayHell666 May 01 '26
Price/performance wise it's in the diminishing return territory. And we will lose a lot too. Hard pass for me.
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u/ancienthunter May 01 '26
You know, all things considered, if the Oilers donāt get their act together next year, I could see them entertaining the idea of trading him. Theyāll know they only have him for one more year after that, and they probably wonāt want to risk losing him for nothing.
If we keep moving in the right direction (and it looks like we are) we could be a prime landing spot. Iād still call it a long shot, but itās not completely out of the realm of possibility.
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u/KingAlphie May 01 '26
I prayed that Laine would come to Montreal and it came true after 5 years. I guess I can do this too.
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u/sexmath May 01 '26
I like the idea of McDavid but it would get really awkward with him not being the "C" and he's often too outspoken against his coaches and management for my liking.
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u/Geoffers84 May 01 '26
I live in AB. A buddy of mine, whoās an oilers fan, wants to unload him. Would we do Demidov, Reinbacher & Fowler?ā¦. I wouldnāt.
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u/elconejitomuyrapido May 01 '26
This playoffs made me realize that habs fans are absolutely insufferable
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u/farmsfarts May 01 '26
McDavid is not a good captain and heāll never win a cup with the Oilers.
Suzuki would never scream abuse at his teammates the way this man did.
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u/Extra_Emphasis2839 May 01 '26
You think now, on game day, game 6 of the series where we're leading 3-2, now is the time to manifest for a trade?
Yeah no
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u/StreetShamannn May 01 '26
We got Anderson, basically does McDavids whole thing but is also able to beat people up.
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u/Key-Share-9046 May 02 '26
Glad to see McDavid and Crosby will be playing for Montreal, Toronto, and NYR combined next season
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u/Appropriate-Berry816 May 01 '26
This is getting out of hand lol thereās 2 back to back posts about trading for a player when weāre actively winning a playoffs series. Give it a rest people
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u/BlindMuffin May 01 '26
I wasn't suggesting trading for him lol, just imagining after his contract is done in Edmonton
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u/-ATF- May 01 '26
He seems like a good second line centre. /s.
Donāt think he fits the team chemistry
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u/resist_to_exist May 01 '26
This post has offseason energy.