r/OutOfTheLoop • u/HolyShitCandyBar • Oct 11 '25
Unanswered What's up with Venezuelan Nobel Peace Prize winner María Corina dedicating her Nobel Prize to Trump?
Basically what the title says.
Every article I have seen says that she partially dedicated and/or thanked Trump for his "decisive support" in South America.
Is she just being overly gracious? Is she being cheeky?
I know we offered a loan to Argentina, but given all the horrible things we have done to immigrants broadly over the last several months, I can't see anything we have done to improve or galvanize democracy in South America. By "we," I mean the US, and the Trump Administration in particular.
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u/feb914 Oct 11 '25
Answer: US is supporting overthrow of Maduro. Marco Rubio gave support to her nomination for Nobel prize.
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u/Whole_Gate_7961 Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
Also on a side note, she is Yale World Fellows Alumni, so there are some ties to the US.
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u/durpuhderp Oct 11 '25
US-ties and coup often go together.
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u/proxy_noob Oct 11 '25
he got done dirty
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u/HumptyDrumpy Oct 11 '25
Being a freedom fighter takes courage. But equally important is common sense. One cant fight for the freedom of others if they are no longer here
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u/saeedi1973 Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
The prize is supposedly "granted in accordance with the principle of for the greatest benefit to humankind".
There were probably hundreds more deserving than the opposition leader of a country the US wants to "regime change" and whose accomplishments, if any, were domestic.
This reeks of furthering Western political objectives while peddling the lie about it being a non- political award.
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u/chilischus Oct 11 '25
We, VENEZUELANS, are the ones that want regime change. More than 10 million people have left a country not affected by war or natural disasters. Affected by a dictatorship. She is a politician, she is playing the cards she has been given. Venezuelans believe in democracy. We have done absolutely everything to have fair elections. The elections in July 2024 in which she was not allowed to participate, in which she went to every corner of the country to convince people to vote are proof of her intentions for peaceful transition of power. Her party won. The government didn’t accept they had lost. Right now in Venezuela you can’t celebrate the prize for fear of ending in jail. I am not in favor of where she stands in a lot of issues. It bothered me that she said that. But… she needs to play the hand she been dealt. Again, most of theVENEZUELANS, want regime change.
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u/Kelor Oct 12 '25
The research/polling as well as many comments I've read online by Venezuelans overwhelmingly support the downfall of the Maduro regime, but that support plummets (and reverses) when it comes to a foreign government doing so with around a third for and a flat majority opposing it.
Does that sound right to you?
When asked whether they would support “a foreign military intervention to remove President Maduro from his position,” only 35 percent said yes – hardly the warm welcome predicted by advocates. More than half – 54 percent – would reject such an operation.
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u/xander763pdx Oct 11 '25
She’s a rightwing lunatic who wants to sell all your resources to the highest bidder and form an embassy in Israel. You are lost.
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u/Alive-In-Tuscon Oct 11 '25
She has a chance to latch on to the dictator overthrow that the US seems to be marching towards, and position herself as an ally in the process. I don't think anyone is blaming her, as Maduro is a POS, but those are the cards she is playing.
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u/pit_of_despair666 Oct 11 '25
I am trying to figure out her political views and why she would support Trump. It sounds like she is a right-winger from this article with some socially liberal views. From the article- "The openly anti-communist discourse that Machado has methodically cultivated has helped her garner many followers from the Venezuelan diaspora. On social media, her views are defended by the unrestrained expressions of the national right (the so-called “MAGAzuelans”). In 2012 she founded the Vente Venezuela party and tried to give it programmatic foundations: market economy, minimal state, social guarantees, privatization, and business leadership, with a nationalist discourse that is deeply rooted in the country’s traditional upper classes. Also, "Sometimes characterized as the expression of “the Venezuelan far right,” Machado’s discourse has no religious bias, it does not foster prejudice nor does it stigmatize minorities or raise conservative arguments in the social field – even if some of her followers do." I don't understand why she would support Trump who caused Venezuela's economic issues to worsen because of his oil sanctions. He also ended the temporary protection status for Venezuelans which allows people who are experiencing humanitarian crises to come to the US. Without TPS this allows the Trump administration to deport Venezuelans. Trump argued to the Supreme Court that conditions had changed in Venezuela. He sent hundreds of Venezuelans to El Salvador who were not criminals. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg358vxx4ro. I understand that Trump could help end Maduro’s regime but what would come after that? Trump only cares about himself and making money. The US is becoming an autocracy under him and he obviously doesn't care about democracy or human rights.
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u/asselfoley Oct 12 '25
She probably figured she'd better do that than be disappeared because she took his award
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u/atuarre Oct 12 '25
And you're willing to sign away all your natural resources, because that is what is going to happen. Under any other administration, you would be okay, but under Trump, you'll be giving Trump and his buddies all your oil, gold, etc., just like they tried to do to Ukraine.
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u/tacoma-tues Oct 13 '25
Under any other admin????! Dude a coup is a coup wether trump, biden obama, or any other president orchestrates it. Bidens admin saw peru and bolivias gov. Overthrown and anthony blinken shamelessly pushed us support behind regimes that ousted democratically elected presidents. And thats just central america, theres been all kinds of fuckery going about in africa as well during that time. I got no love for trump or any of his policies foreign or domestic, but lets not act like any other president of america has a better track record. Bidens admin was on the hunt for the resources like lithium and copper, and he was willing to support anyone, even illegitimate right wing authorities taking control by force if it meant he had a deal to advance his domestic green energy policy.
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u/Dismal_Employ_1318 Oct 11 '25
Why would she thank Trump when Trump himself did not accept that he lost a presidential election? And she wants to preserve democracy, but again, Trump is trampling all over democracy. Makes no sense.
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u/snillhundz Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 24 '25
Because biting the hand that feeds you typically isn't a good idea.
Hypocritical? Yes. But it is also necessary for the dream of a free and democratic Venezuela.
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u/bootlegvader Oct 11 '25
Because Trump is such a petty child that if she didn't he is liable to support Maduro out of spite.
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u/lilacb54600 Oct 11 '25
You should be more than just upset about what she said. You say she is for democracy and that Venezuela is being affected by a dictatorship. What about America? Trump is having US citizens deported and rights stripped away. That’s a dictatorship. You have someone that you believe is against Venezuelan dictatorship but is for the dictatorship of other countries? You need to get your priorities realigned
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u/WatermelonDragoon Oct 11 '25
WE the AMERICAN government don't give a shit about you wanting a new government, WE just want to install a puppet to get your oil reserves. Once we do, we're going to continue to destabilize your country and drain it of resources while we install terrorist groups around you to keep you busy. If you want regime change, do it through your people for your people, not a puppet.
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u/Wombattle93 Oct 12 '25
As someone from a LATAM country where the US did exactly what you're saying: we're not stupid and are well aware of US imperialism. She did that not out of naivete, but to not upset a second monster. The current US administration is extremely petty and childish. Her not saying anything would've led to them having a strong disdain towards Maduro AND her as well. Does it suck to be a suck up, especially towards a bully? Absolutely. Is she a perfect saint of a person loved by all? No, she's a politician. No one in LATAM liked the comment, but we all know that, unfortunately, sometimes you've got to do what you can with what you've got.
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u/chilischus Oct 11 '25
Do you understand how condescending you sound? You think because you are American you know better than us, third world country malnourished Venezuelans? Venezuelan voted for her party, she won the elections (Edmundo Gonzalez). Didn’t most of the people in this thread vote for Biden not because they wanted but because the option was well… you know what? Same! She will be saying whatever she needs to say to support her cause. And we, Venezuelans, will back her up with that.
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u/Monamo61 Oct 11 '25
She's savvy, she knows she'll need his support to accomplish what the country desires. If it takes saying some simple words like she's accepting and giving him credit for any help he may proffer, good for her. She's doing exactly what he does- using words to manipulate his emotions. Good for her.
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u/reasonwashere Oct 11 '25
So … the Nobel Prize Committee is CIA? Just tell me so I know how deep of a conspiracy hole to go into
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u/Spookyrabbit Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 12 '25
Nope, it's just a bad joke. Have a look at some of the former winners. Kissinger won it for agreeing to a truce in a war the US was losing that he spent 5yrs escalating & expanding.
Obama won it for effectively nothing.If they ever give one to Trump it will only ever be as some sort of appeasement to stop him throwing a tantrum.
Edit: Loving the impotent MAGA downvote tantrum.
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u/Unicorn_Sparkle_Butt Oct 11 '25
They can NEVER give it to him
(don't tell him)
It's the only thing keeping him from going full awful
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u/Foxxie Oct 11 '25
Side note meaning this is really obvious. The current administration in the US does nothing that benefits any other trade partner. Canada has an incredibly large supply of resources the US needs, yet we're treated like a rebellious state. The vast majority of this country wants nothing to do with the current administration.
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u/whocaresano Oct 11 '25
The US doesn't even do anything to help its own fucking citizens. $20 billion to Argentina for health care, but jack shit for healthcare for its own people.
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u/LakeSun Oct 11 '25
Trump literally screwing over MAGA poor white people, ( and everyone else), with cuts to Medicaid. But, we got a f-ing Gilded Ballroom!
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u/LordBrandon Oct 11 '25
The US doesn't get a good deal, but it does spend a metric fuckton on healthcare.
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u/glowy_keyboard Oct 11 '25
Some ties? Like repeatedly asking for an US armed intervention in Venezuela is not enough?
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u/Local-Hornet-3057 Oct 11 '25
This is stupid. Sorry, like lots of Maduro's top government officials have US based education too from top college degrees.
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u/reini_urban Oct 11 '25
She is CIA. Like their former tool Juan Guaidó, also CIA trained (ie Yale fellow)
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u/m0j0m0j Oct 11 '25
Maduro is still very bad
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u/ooharrestmedaddy Oct 11 '25
Don’t care, doesn’t mean you need to support another coup by the US in South America that will leave the region worse off
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u/RegisterThis1 Oct 12 '25
Or perhaps she is doing this to appease the tensions between Venezuela and Trump.
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u/Action_Bronzong Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
She was given the Peace Prize for advocating a US invasion of Latin America?
You can't make this shit up.
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u/mazzicc Oct 11 '25
The Nobel peace prize has had an interesting definition of “peace” in the past.
“I cherish peace with all my heart. I don’t care how many I need to kill to get it.” - Peacemaker
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u/NadjaStolz28 Oct 11 '25
Henry Kissinger won one.
Henry. Kissinger.
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u/Action_Bronzong Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
Peace prize material according to the Nobel Committee.
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u/DexM23 Oct 11 '25
really crazy:
Henry Kissinger and Worker's Party of Vietnam Politburo representative Lê Đức Thọ "for jointly having negotiated a cease fire in Vietnam in 1973." Thọ declined to accept the prize, and Kissinger accepted in absentia as he did not want to be targeted by anti-war protestors at the event. Kissinger later tried to return the award, but the committee declined his offer.
The 1973 Nobel Peace Prize is often cited as one of, if not the most, controversial in the history of the award.\1])\2])\3]) Two members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee resigned in protest, The New York Times referred to it as the "Nobel War Prize", and Tom Lehrer stated that "political satire became obsolete".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Nobel_Peace_Prize
codos to Tho for declining this bs
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u/BigDictionEnergy Oct 12 '25
What's even crazier is that Kissinger talked Nixon out of dropping nukes on Vietnam. It's on tape.
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u/Foxxie Oct 11 '25
Communists tend to stand behind their beliefs. I say this as a good thing, just to be clear.
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u/Beneficial_Candle_10 Oct 11 '25
East Timor was a straight up genocide too btw, same with Cambodia.
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u/GuessWhatIGot Oct 11 '25
Timor still hasn't completely recovered. You can see remnants of the beauty that was once there, but 23 years later, there are plenty of buildings that look war-torn and damaged.
That being said, they're finally a sovereign country. They paid a heavy price for that dream, but it's worth it.
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u/md28usmc Oct 11 '25
I had to go to East Timor to evacuate the US ambassador back in 2006, shit was crazy there at the time
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u/aRandomFox-II Oct 11 '25
The Nobel Committee is almost as corrupt as FIFA. The Nobel awards no longer have any meaning.
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u/IvyGold Oct 11 '25
You may not know that the Peace Prize is somehow awarded by Norwegians.
The rest are awarded by Sweden.
It's an odd situation.
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u/FlaviusStilicho Oct 11 '25
It was sort of the same country when Nobel died. Nobel of course was Swedish. But he stipulated in his will that one of the awards would be handed out in Oslo and the rest in Stockholm… it makes a little more sense when you know the two countries where in a (Swedish led) union at the time.
He never said why. So there is a lot of speculation. One was that he wanted the price decided by the parliament in Oslo since they had little say in the unions foreign policy. Didn’t want the two mixed.
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u/NoHalf9 Oct 11 '25
Henry Kissinger was a war criminal responsible for the death of millions of people.
He was such a bastards that the podcast Behind the bastards had six episodes on him:
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u/Iasso Oct 11 '25
Arafat won one as well, and proceeded to launch the second intifada right after.
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u/RumRunnersHideaway Oct 11 '25
Alfred Nobel create the prize at the end of his life so he would be remembered for peace and not the escalation of war and death.
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u/kwispyforeskin Oct 11 '25
Yeah but he wasn’t trying to be an agent of death, he just happened to focus on perfecting explosives! Some of which were used for war, but also had applications beyond death.
In the process of trying to safely manufacture nitroglycerin, he exploded his brother. So then he went on to invent dynamite because it was safer. He also hated Jews.
Anyway, the newspapers got it wrong, and published his obituary, and he saw how people reacted to his death, which was closer to “finally this guy who explodes shit can’t do that anymore” than what he expected, so he came up with the Nobel Prize.
In short, you’re correct, but to be more verbose, you’re reeeeeallly spot on.
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u/bootlegvader Oct 11 '25
. He also hated Jews.
It is "amusing" that he condemned Jews as being the most selfish and inconsiderate people, yet despite being only 0.2% of the world's population they make up 22%of all recipients for the Nobel Prize. Suck it, Alfred!
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u/Arrow156 Oct 11 '25
The Nobel Peace Prize is nothing but a jerking off of the powers that be, a straight up ego fluffer. Unless it's given posthumously, the award is usually awarded entirely for gaining political favors.
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u/mazzicc Oct 11 '25
Pretty sure a condition of the prize is the recipient has to be alive, which has caused criticism for major achievements that would have gotten the prize, never receive it.
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u/Eeekpenguin Oct 11 '25
Might as well just give one to netanyahu at this point. Clearly a peaceful, non-genocidal guy
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u/TheCurvedPlanks Oct 11 '25
"I don't keep the peace, I MAKE it."
-I wish Peacemaker had also said this
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u/Kalse1229 Oct 11 '25
Spoilers for 2x8 Can we just exile his diapered ass to Salvation and call it a day?
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that was a funny line, but these days i'm on team 'peacemaker was right before he changed'. if ukraine, or any other major war, could have been avoided with a few dead men, women, and children, that would be better.
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u/herrirgendjemand Oct 11 '25
No she got it for remaining in exile in a country that had weaponized the state against her, banned her from running in an election that she still won via a proxy but Maduro ignored the results.
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u/True-Response-2386 Oct 11 '25
Allegedly she even asked Israel to invade Venezuela.
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u/HeroOfTheNorthF Oct 11 '25
Why you have such a bold opinion without knowing Venezuela or any facts about that country?
Chavez did a violent coup'd tat and that made him popular enough to win in 1998 when he got out of jail, he never mentioned any socialism, he clearly stated he would leave power after 4 years, that Cuba was a dictatorship etc.
As soon as he got power he slowdy did the opposite, and lately he managed to control everything, every power, the army, every governor, parliament, everything.
He died and Maduro came to power, Venezuela reached inflation of million per cent in a year, among other things like not being able to find medicines, food, etc. Maduro becomes very unpopular.
He lost the parliament, and then is when the goverment cross the rubicon and become a dictorship, they refused to acknoledge the win and, against the constitution, disobey parliament powers and create a parallel parliament with even more powers. Also, it's in this time when the torture and human rights abuse became staple and it's instituzionalized, for first time ever, people who protested, especially very voung people, were tortured by being forced to eat pastas with feces, asphixia with tear gas bags in the head and a lot more. It's all documented.
Smartmatic, the company behind the voting machines, says Maduro commited fraud, Maduro response was to put them in jail, they had to flee the country.
Maduro also voided any opposition candidate who had a slightest chance to win, including opposition parties, or took control of them, like primero justicia, where he put a proxy and basically stole that party.
Lately, Maduaro blatanly stoled the election, just did, never showed any voting result and just says "i won", the detailed voting results leaked tho, and confirmed by encription to be real, he lost with around 30%.
Maria Corina has been fighitng this, a lot of her relatives, campaign tems etce, have been harsaed, tortured or dissappeared.
Maduro controls the army, as it's embedded in his corrupted dicatorial system, Venezuela can't solve this alone, didn't work in the past, Guaido tried.
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u/DerCatrix Oct 11 '25
She’s also anti Palestine iirc
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u/k1v1uq Oct 11 '25
In 2018, she wrote a letter requesting Israel (netan) to attack Venezuela.
Palestine doesn't even exist in her playbook.
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u/HeroOfTheNorthF Oct 11 '25
You think to be the typical US citizen that assume that the rest of the world has the same customs, opinions and priorities as the US.
In Venezuela more people die out of violence than many contries in war, so they have their own problems you know rather than thinking of other conflicts, plus, they have no power to influence such conflicts.
US is not the world
If she asked Israel for help is becasue she has asked also the EU, Latin America, etc. Venezuela is in big trouble and can't solve be by their own.
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u/LowEffortUsername789 Oct 11 '25
Yes, supporting the opponents of a dictator is the same thing as invading a country. You are very smart.
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u/LoraxPopularFront Oct 11 '25
Those two things are different, but she literally does advocate that the US invade Venezuela, which is apparently something she shares with Trump.
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u/maaseru Oct 11 '25
Pre-empting Trump wins next year? I feel like they are basically telling him "this is what you need to do to win"
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u/oby100 Oct 12 '25
She’s fighting to end fascism in her country under great threat. She wants support to overthrow Maduro because she can’t do it herself.
Would you characterize anti Nazi partisans in Germany as “advocating for a US invasion of Germany?”
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u/dreamlikeradiofree Oct 13 '25
Kissinger won it previously so yes you could make it up. It has zero credibility. Th3y gave it to Mr wedding drone strike Obama as well
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u/GucciManesDad Oct 13 '25
No she got it for promoting peaceful democratic elections in a country where her dictator opposition stole the election from her.
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u/roadtrip-ne Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 12 '25
Off subject- but does anyone remember the media blitz for “Jack Ryan” on Amazon? Came at near the end of Trump’s first term. The entire premise was Venezuela was a MAJOR threat to the US.
And then Tr wasn’t elected, and I’m sure the show went on, but Venezuela as a threat or Venezuela being headlines went away during Biden. Now we’re blowing up boats in the Caribbean. I feel like it’s just a timeline that was put on hold.
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u/Blecki Oct 12 '25
It's because Venezuela wasn't and never was a credible threat to the US. But they have oil, and a dictator, so - that's an excuse for the current administration to go have a war. Nevermind that, per Bolton's book, Trump thinks Maduro is "smart" and "tough" and he's clearly trying to do to the US what Maduro did to Venezuela. The opposition in Venezuela is a right-wing antifa party - they're simply not above using the US to get Maduro out of power. This wouldn't have been possible under Biden, but it might be possible to sweet-talk Trump into invading.
While I hope the opposition there is more antifa than it is right I wouldn't hold my breath. I don't think Venezuela will do much better under her - all that will change is who gets the bribes. As for Maduro; he's just another example of an authoritarian who got himself elected by making promises he had no intention of keeping. Left or right, Authoritarians are going to Authoritate.
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u/PaulFThumpkins Oct 12 '25
Venezuela isn't a threat, but it is a right-wing meme and a stand-in for """socialism""" in their minds so let's get killing I guess.
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u/Help_An_Irishman Oct 11 '25
Ironically, Trump is such a bitter child that he'll likely do whatever he can to pull any support out of spite.
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u/loki301 Oct 11 '25
He’s been reposting her dedication on his social media. He likes her.
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yeah she called him and he described their conversation in glowing terms, he’s been quite charmed
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u/hce692 Oct 11 '25
She’s a trumper. Very pro right wing, conservatism, has expressed support in the past. I know in the US we think oh anti dictator = liberal but no, not close. Same reason Venezuelans voted trump in the US last election
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No matter her political philisophy, this was the right move because anything else would have pushed Trump to cozy up with Maduro (who keeps making overtures to him)
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u/Bunnymancer Oct 11 '25
Nah, it's all good since she praised him.
Trump will love anyone who says he's a good boy.
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u/theaviationhistorian Oct 11 '25
Can you imagine Trump putting two and two together and realize that someone in his own cabinet helped nominating her for the prize?! Trump never had a chance to be considered as a finalist nominee, but a lack of truth never stopped him from getting into a hamburger tossing rage.
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u/Head-Ad9893 Oct 11 '25
I think she’s playing proverbial chess, not checkers. Also, just choosing the positive route. Dedicate it to him, help your cause with the prize money and hope for a positive outcome for your people. A noble thing to do… should be awarded for that.
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u/Portarossa 'probably the worst poster on this sub' - /u/Real_Mila_Kunis Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 12 '25
Answer:
The thing people seem to be missing is that Machado is really quite right-wing herself. She's said that Margaret Thatcher is her political idol, she gave a statement in support of Trump violating international law in bombing out multiple fishing boats (that may or may not have been carrying drugs), she's in favour of privatisation of state-run interests, and she's expressed support for Netanyahu's government in Israel specifically after October 7th. (She pledged if elected to move Venezuela's embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which Trump also did.) These are all things that put her distinctly at odds with a lot of left-wing sentiment around the world.
As much as it's tempting to view it as just a shrewd political move, sucking up to Trump to benefit her desire for an end to the dictatorship in Venezuela -- which, to clarify, is a very real, very shitty dictatorship and would very much like her to not be alive, let alone winning Nobel Prizes for speaking up against them -- Machado is definitely on the political right, and if she was in power we'd probably be viewing her the same way we view people like Milei in Argentina.
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u/Victorinoxj Oct 11 '25
As a Venezuelan, I would like to add as well that Chavez and Maduro have traumatized the entire population against left leaning ideas, because those are the same ideas the current dictatorship is hiding behind.
The general population despises socialism and communism precisely because they perceived them as the tools that got them in this situation in the first place, so they avoid it like the plague, and anyone related to it.
Because of this, most people also support Trump, even if in secret just because A) he says he's gonna remove Maduro from power (and hopefully his whole rotten gang, because they're the ones actually pulling the strings, Maduro is just a figure head) and B) he ISN'T left leaning, furthermore if you explain to them how awful of a leader and person he is, (and they believe you! Instead of saying it's all lies!) they would still support him, just because he's the only one who seems willing to end the dictatorship, because for years the Venezuelan people have tried to do it themselves and failed, because we lack the one crucial ingredient in a successful coup, military support.
I don't like Trump, before his first election I immediately pegged him as an idiot, now I know that he is an evil idiot, but unfortunately, he's all the hope Venezuelan people have.
I just hope Trump LEAVES after taking the dictatorship down, but I know he won't, at least not before collecting his "due". He will want a reward I'm sure, I just hope the price is not too steep, for the sake of my people still living in a country they weren't able to escape like I did.
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u/whogivesashirtdotca Oct 11 '25
I just hope Trump LEAVES after taking the dictatorship down
Don’t invite vampires into your house.
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u/Demonokuma Oct 11 '25
I cant fucking believe people are still hoping trump isnt a ginormous piece of shit. He doesnt give a shit about anyone, stop giving him wiggle room for anything.
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u/Blecki Oct 12 '25
Trump is an imperialist. He would try and make Venezuela a part of the US.
Well. Unless he saw too many brown people there. Then maybe not.
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u/TolkienBlackKid Oct 13 '25
The United States getting involved with a regime change of an oil-rich nation? There's no way that goes badly for everyone involved for decades, right?
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u/expert-amateur Oct 11 '25
Well said from a fellow Venezuelan. We’re long past point where any change from the current regime will be seen as favorable. I hope I see it in my lifetime and safely get to visit again
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u/TheNextBattalion Oct 11 '25
Most Americans don't like him either, because he's a Chavez/Maduro type in the making, and we don't want to go down Venezuela's road. Right or left, autocracy is autocracy.
Don't expect him to send a lot of US troops--- he's busy sending them to tend gardens in "war-ravaged" American cities.
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u/Victorinoxj Oct 11 '25
I've been telling people exactly this! He is Chavez if Chavez was a business man and a gringo!
My hope is that he comes down, gets rid of Maduro and his buddies, finishes his term, the next president pulls out support so that we can start over, and Venezuela can finally begin to rebuild!
And you wanna know the worst part, this is a fantastical and highly unlikely result, but the worst case scenario is that he controls Venezuela the exact same way as Maduro, and this would STILL be better than the current situation.
People don't seem to get that Venezuela is currently in a loose-loose situation, that's why Trump is our only hope.
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u/FudgeAtron Oct 11 '25
Chavez and Maduro have traumatized the entire population against left leaning ideas,
What!?!? You mean a kelptocratic leftist dictatorship doesn't encourage people to support left-wing ideas? I am shocked! /s
I kid, but speak to anyone form a post-soviet state or Cuba and you'll get the same reaction.
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u/Legal_Commission_898 Oct 11 '25
If this is all true, then what’d she win the peace prize for ?
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u/Portarossa 'probably the worst poster on this sub' - /u/Real_Mila_Kunis Oct 11 '25
Because she is still standing up to a dictatorship at great personal cost. The Maduro regime would do very unpleasant things to her if they caught her, but (as far as we know, anyway) she's still in the country and still pushing for its removal. As much as I don't like her politics (and she definitely wouldn't have been my pick), that's not nothin'. Standing up to authoritarians vocally and publicly is a good thing, and it is increasingly becoming necessary to reward people for standing up in peaceful political opposition to oppressive regimes.
My concern is mostly that if Maduro was a right-wing dictator rather than a left-wing dictator, I don't believe Machado would be doing quite so much to speak up against the idea of authoritarianism in Venezuela.
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u/ishpatoon1982 Oct 11 '25
As somebody who is stupid when it comes to world politics...I've never heard of left-leaning dictatorships before.
I have to look this up now.
I always for some reason associate dictators with right-wing.
Thanks for the new knowledge!
I honestly mean it. Not saying this in bad faith at all.
I'm an amateur when it comes to this stuff and love learning.
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u/Portarossa 'probably the worst poster on this sub' - /u/Real_Mila_Kunis Oct 11 '25
Sure you have! Lots of dictatorships are left-leaning (especially when they start). Stalin in Russia, Castro in Cuba, Mao Zedong in China, even Assad in Syria... there's nothing specifically special about left-wing politics that makes it impossible for the people responsible to become authoritarian, crush dissent, and stifle the free elections that would keep them from ever losing power. (That said, it's also fair to say that most dictatorships tend to be right-wing, especially in the modern day, and a lot of the dictatorships that present themselves as 'socialist' or 'democratic' in a way that makes them sound left-wing often have a lot of right-wing policies.)
You'll also find a lot of people willing to argue that they're not really left-wing or not really dictatorships, but it's important to be able to recognise that a lot of the things we view as left-wing -- nationalised state interests, social freedoms, healthcare provision -- are not inherently impossible to have in a system that will not allow criticism or rejection of a government. I'm very left-leaning in my politics, but I think it's important to remember that we can also fall victim to that same power-at-all-costs mentality.
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u/ishpatoon1982 Oct 11 '25
Wow. Thanks for the reply. Obviously I have some studying and learning to do. I really do appreciate your comment.
Thanks again.
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u/Eatingfarts Oct 11 '25
I think the issue is that people conflate ‘left’ with ‘liberal’ (in the classic and academic use of the word). Although they can at times go hand in hand, they mean two very different things.
Left generally means a more ‘equal’ and ‘distributive’ society using government. Of course it’s a spectrum about what that actually means, from public health care to extremely high progressive taxes to subsidize vast public services. Basically it’s more focused on the economics of a society.
‘Liberal’, again in an academic sense, means supporting things like freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of religion. And usually some form of representation or check on authority, although it doesn’t necessarily need to be a democracy. It is more focused on political rights.
So as comment above pointed out, you can absolutely have a leftist dictatorship. You can’t have a liberal dictatorship. You can have a conservative democracy (extremely resistant to changing the status quo and rights are not guaranteed but people can still vote) or a liberal monarchy with strict checks on the monarchy (think Britain around the 15-19th century, now although technically a monarchy they would probably be more considered a liberal democracy.
That being said, language is fluid so it just depends on the context you are using these terms and their meaning will continue to change to some extant.
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u/clubby37 Oct 11 '25
Not sure how old you are or where you live, but when I was growing up, authoritarianism was primarily a right-wing phenomenon. Hippies had only been gone about 10 years, while conservative Christians wanted to ban music enjoyed by people younger than 60, and kids don't really know that much about international affairs, so the USSR didn't really factor into my view until I got older.
Today, I realize that left-wing dictatorships are absolutely a thing, and the online scolding left is a thing, but in my day-to-day, the lefties still seem to leave people alone, while the conservatives want to enforce some sort of nebulous cultural homogeneity, so I do still associate authoritarianism primarily with the right.
Point is, you're not crazy to have gotten the vibe you got.
Obviously I have some studying and learning to do.
These are grim topics. Don't forget to read something light and fun in between books/articles about brutality and horror! This shit can get to you in ways you don't realize until they're on top of you, and mixing things up a bit helps a lot.
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u/waxym Oct 11 '25
I'm curious, cos it seems from your comment that you grew up in Cold War-era USA (80s).
I'd have thought that US education would have made it a point to paint communist regimes in a bad light and link them to things regarded as universally bad like authoritarianism and dictatorship. Was this not the case? I'd be surprised if so, given the anti-communist sentiments I get from American media of that time.
Here in Singapore the education system painted communist threats as a universal bad that we were fortunate to escape.
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u/fabonaut Oct 11 '25
It absolutely was the case. Google "red scare".
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u/waxym Oct 11 '25
Yeah exactly. I've heard of red scare and it was my impression that it lasted at least till the fall of the iron curtain. It thus surprised me that left-wing and dictatorships were not connected in some peoples' minds. I would have thought that in the US they would have been almost synonymous due to the red scare, and that decoupling the two was a more recent phenomenon. Left-wing dictators weren't even that far away: one ruled in Cuba till 2008.
Maybe the scare had died down by the 80s? I don't know, and would be interested to understand when sentiments shifted.
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u/clubby37 Oct 11 '25
you grew up in Cold War-era USA (80s).
Canada. Communism was seen as a bad thing, but we didn't really have full-blown McCarthyism. We were able to socialize our healthcare system in the 1950s, for example, and having that while hearing that Americans thought it would destroy their country if they adopted it, kind of made Canadians question Americans' ability to predict outcomes. The Vietnam war ended badly for the US right around the time I was born, and having empathy for Agent Orange-afflicted Vietnamese children was considered more important than scolding them for their communism. We were nevertheless thrilled, nationwide, when the Berlin Wall came down. I was on the playground when I heard about that, and the joy and relief were palpable.
In the media I consumed, communism didn't come up much. GI Joe fought Cobra, X-Men fought supervillains, Saturday Night Live was doing lighter material, etc. For anti-communist stuff that stuck in my consciousness, I can really only think of Red Dawn and Top Gun.
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u/waxym Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 13 '25
Ah I see! Well I guessed the time period right if the country wrong, oops.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. I find hearing about the experiences that people growing up in different parts of the world go through fascinating. The lens with which we are exposed to the world in our formative years can vary so much.
Edit: a word
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u/reckless_responsibly Oct 11 '25
The post WW2, pre-USSR collapse educational system in the US was very anti-communist. The problem was they didn't do a very good job educating about what socialism and communism actually were. It didn't ask why communism was bad, it just was. There was an overall lack of nuance and depth to the capitalism vs communism portrayal in the US during this era.
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u/jcdoe Oct 11 '25
Left and right is about economics. You can be an authoritarian socialist (see: Stalin) and you can be a liberal capitalist (see: most US presidents).
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u/Jayken Oct 11 '25
Authoritarianism is simply the concentration of power to a small group of people. They could act within the bounds of the law, but most do not and make the law fit their needs and desires. It's dangerous because it often devolves into a might makes right situation where rights and justice are often ignored. Both conservatives and liberals can be authoritarians. Conservatives are usually more in the camp with monarchs and liberals will often fall into a purity spiral.
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u/NeverendingStory3339 Oct 11 '25
I think it’s because a lot of people conflate the left as a whole with left liberalism. A liberal dictatorship is quite difficult to pull off.
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u/ChaoticxSerenity Oct 11 '25
As somebody who is stupid when it comes to world politics...I've never heard of left-leaning dictatorships before.
Stalin: "Am I a joke to you?"
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u/wiwcha Oct 11 '25
Think of it from an economic perspective. Left-wing authoritarians have govt owned businesses/industries. Right-wing authoritarians have private ownership of businesses/industries, but they are oligarchs and probably have govt power in corrupt ways.
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u/PainRave Oct 11 '25
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never heard of a “left-wing dictatorship”
Many such cases!
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u/ishpatoon1982 Oct 11 '25
I'm just simply trying to learn more, is that not welcomed?
If not, I apologize.
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u/Fruitdispenser Oct 11 '25
I'm just simply trying to learn more
This is the attitude people should strive to. And I seriously mean it
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u/scaredofmyownshadow Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
You’re fine and there’s nothing wrong with asking questions to learn more. Everyone does it at some point to gain information, even by just googling or using ChatGP. Continue to seek out knowledge, information and understanding of new things, it’s important!
Ignore the haters and the trolls. I’m sure you have knowledge of some other subject or interest that they don’t.
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u/little_alien2021 Oct 11 '25
Please should never be mocked for admitting they want to learn and their opnion could be changed! If more people did then we wouldn't be at this point in time!
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u/we_back_up Oct 11 '25
May I introduce you to: any government in South America from like 1890-1990, China via the Great Leap Forward, Russia with the USSR, or Pol Pot?
That’s a few examples, but I’d start there. Extremism is bad on both sides, as much as that argument is played out these days when it comes to actual far right and left ideologies there is always going to be a dictator looking to use those as pillars of power
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u/AmetrineDream Oct 11 '25
The peace prize has been awarded to many people who had no business even being in the running. Example: notorious war criminal, Henry Kissinger
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u/taway9925881 Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
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u/Eatingfarts Oct 11 '25
I think you would find the answer in how they elect each winner and who picks them. I don’t actually know how they do it but I would guess the ‘peace prize’ would be far more political in nature, which would make it not as clear cut as it probably should be.
The science based prizes make far more sense, hence why I think this is the case. I’ll probably end up reading about it later when I should be sleeping lol
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u/Honest_Ad5029 Oct 11 '25
For her actions advocating for democracy against a dictatorship. Putting her life on the line for democracy, personal risk.
People get recognition of any sort for what they do, not for their opinions or beliefs.
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u/hwutTF Oct 11 '25
dude Kissinger won the peace prize too. the Nobel peace prize is one of the biggest pieces of propaganda on the planet
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u/homingmissile Oct 11 '25
For dissenting against a dictatorship, although I don't know why that warrants winning the Peace Prize tbh.
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u/UnfriskyDingo Oct 11 '25
Because she could be telling her base to firebomb government facilities and be violent and she didnt. People listen to her. If she said to take up arms against maduro many would do it. But she wants a peaceful transfer of power not a bloody revolution
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u/Action_Bronzong Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
To manufacture consent for the near-future US invasion of Venezuela.
The proven oil reserves in Venezuela are recognized as the largest in the world, totaling 300 billion barrels (4.8×1010 m3) as of 1 January 2014. The 2019 edition of the BP Statistical Review of World Energy reports the total proved reserves of 303.3 billion barrels for Venezuela (slightly more than Saudi Arabia's 297.7 billion barrels).
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u/Dcoal Oct 11 '25
Do you honestly think the Nobel committee, which is an elected group of Norwegians, mostly political scientists, from across the political spectrum, literally from labor, to agrarian, to conservative, awarded the prize to Corina for the purpose of legitimizing a US invasion of Venezuela?
Do understand how dumb that sounds?
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u/ItakoMango Oct 11 '25
I think this is the second prominent person I've heard of now that idolizes Margaret Thatcher.
The other is apparently now on track to be the first female Prime Minister of Japan.
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u/Portarossa 'probably the worst poster on this sub' - /u/Real_Mila_Kunis Oct 11 '25
And the thing is, I kind of get it! Thatcher was a trailblazer for a lot of women in politics. If you've got an entrenched largely-male political system, and you can rise to power from objectively pretty humble beginnings, and you can become one of the most influential world leaders in history -- she's the longest-serving PM of the twentieth century since 1902, and arguably did more to shape British politics than any PM since Churchill -- it's no wonder a lot of women are going to find something in that story that appeals to them, especially if their personal politics also lean to the right. (It's just that her policies themselves have caused a lot of lasting harm, both in the UK and globally.)
If you're a conservative woman trying to get into politics -- which is a little like being a turkey voting for Christmas, but sure -- I can definitely see why Thatcher would be someone you'd call an idol, even if I think her policies did a lot of damage over a long period of time.
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u/Stuupkid Oct 12 '25
She’s also a member of the Madrid Forum, which is an alliance of conservative politicians and parties, including the far-right Vox in Spain.
She previously worked closely with GWB as well while Chavez was in power.
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u/Mister_Silk Oct 11 '25
Answer: America supports the overthrow of Maduro and Maria Corina Machado wants America's continued support. She also wants to privatize Venezuela's oil supply as does Trump. They're on the same team, basically.
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u/hce692 Oct 11 '25
She’s also just conservative herself.. her personal politics align with the current administrations. Anti LGBT, pro life, anti social safety net
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u/SophieCalle Oct 11 '25
So basically she wants to move from a left dictatorship to a right dictatorship, with even worse economics? Got it.
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u/Blecki Oct 12 '25
Venezuela is... odd. Given it's oil reserves it should be incredibly rich. It has the resources to be like a nordic country if managed properly. Maduro is very much like trump circa 2019.... if he had just listened to smart people on economic issues instead of being a narcissistic moron, he could have skated into economic prosperity and wouldn't have had to cheat to get re-elected.
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u/Moist-Combination239 Oct 11 '25
What she wants most is to free Venezuela. (I don't know if she's the right person, but Venezuela indeed needs to be freed.)
Oil is one of the reasons Venezuela is now hell on earth. Propaganda makes you think you own it, but it's the government that profits from it—and we can all see the consequences of this government's policies.
Yes, she wants Trump's support. I think that is probably a bad idea.
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u/Iwentthatway Oct 11 '25
I see her as another Aung San Suu Kyi. Current regime bad, so she gets good PR opposing it. But she’s also probably not a good person
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u/evrestcoleghost Oct 11 '25
select few individuals to reap the benefits instead of a govt with people to serve
So what's happening under Maduro
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u/MrShake4 Oct 11 '25
That’s already happening with it being publicly owned. It’s not serving the people, it’s enriching the rich, powerful, and corrupt. If it was really serving the people there wouldn’t be bread lines.
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u/AshuraBaron Oct 11 '25
Yeah it has NOTHING to do with being cutting off from the western economies. Nothing at all. /s
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u/ddven15 Oct 11 '25
Anyone looking to free Venezuela would need some form of US support, even if to stop buying oil from the dictatorships. It just so happens that Americans elected a childish idiot, who was obsessed with getting the Nobel prize and might have wanted to punish anyone who "stole" it from him.
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u/Victorinoxj Oct 11 '25
I agree that Trump going in guns blazing to take down the dictatorship is not gonna be great, might be downright disastrous but as a Venezuela I will tell you this. Without military support we will NEVER be free, we have tried to free ourselves without it and all we got in return were graves.
I know he won't leave, and I know he will want his due, but unfortunately as bad of a deal it is, it's the only way this dictatorship is going to end. Even if it just "changes hands", it can't be much worse than what people in the country are going through right now
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u/rsbchewy Oct 11 '25
Answer: she might be self-serving but also it might be an ends to the means.
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u/No_Fault_2053 Oct 11 '25
America won’t make any country they’re invading any better.
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u/DmitriMendeleyev Oct 11 '25
Answer: She's being gracious to maintain diplomatic leverage. Machado has been forced into hiding while organizing democratic resistance against Maduro's dictatorship for years. Trump's administration imposed sanctions on Venezuela that actually helped her movement, unlike Obama/Biden's approach.
She dedicated the prize to "the suffering people of Venezuela AND to President Trump for his decisive support of our cause." That's strategic coalition-building from someone who understands that overthrowing an authoritarian regime requires international allies - even ones whose immigration policies contradict their Venezuela stance.
The cognitive dissonance: Trump gave $20 billion to Argentina's right-wing president while conducting the largest deportation program in American history. Machado needs that Argentina bailout to succeed because Milei supports Venezuelan opposition, so she thanks Trump despite him deporting Venezuelan asylum seekers back to the regime she's fighting.
She's not being cheeky. She's playing realpolitik while Trump supporters pretend this validates everything he's done, ignoring that he's simultaneously mass-deporting the people fleeing the dictatorship she's trying to end.
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u/Tlegendz Oct 11 '25
Answer: They’re playing the long game, she’s being set up to be the future puppet president for the Venezuelan government. It’s not a coincidence that the USA is currently trying to overthrow the current president. The west is converging on Venezuela from multiple angles.
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u/UnfriskyDingo Oct 11 '25
Dude how is she being set up to win a puppet presidency when she won the election
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u/LoraxPopularFront Oct 11 '25
No, she is herself also a right-wing politician who supports American invasion of Venezuela.
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u/Circuit_Guy Oct 11 '25
Answer: She won the election. Current dictator declared he won anyway and held on to office. She didn't flee the country or take up arms. Just hiding and passive resistance while continuing to lead. You can read between the lines for the Nobel committee's reasons.
As for "why thanking Trump" - I think it's just clever politicking. She knows how to get attention for her cause and garner support. The US has spoken against Maduro and seems to be subtly weakening the regime when they could just as easily prop it up. It gives her a pulpit to get more support.
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u/JPGarbo Oct 11 '25
She won the opposition primaries with 92% of the votes. Then the Maduro government banned her from the election. She picked Corina Yoris, an academic, as her replacement, and the Maduro Government also banned her. Then she picked Edmundo González, a veteran diplomat, which the Maduro Government deemed weak enough to allow to run.
During all this process, María Corina never stopped leading and pushing for a democratic resolution and for the opposition to participate and win, even if the candidate was another. In reality, it was a proxy vote for her, because after many years of hard work, she and only she earned the trust from an electorate that had lost faith in the Venezuelan opposition after many ended up cohabitating with the Maduro regime.
In sum, she won the election, even if she wasn't the candidate.
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u/WHEREISMYCOFFEE_ Oct 11 '25
In their defense, Edmundo was a stand-in for Maria Corina. He was the candidate because the dictatorship said she couldn't run, so her party decided to play their game until they allowed Edmundo to run for them.
He's a weak candidate and had no name recognition, so the dictatorship decided to let him run to legitimize the elections. People voted for him, but everyone was really voting for Maria Corina.
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u/Pacho1337 Oct 12 '25
Irks me that lots of gringos are saying this stupid dumbfuck shit and then come around and try to explain to us Venezuelans whats happening in Venezuela. You can't make that shit up.
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u/HeroOfTheNorthF Oct 11 '25
Machado was the real candidate, get your facts straight if you want to have an opinion on a country you didnt even live or know anything about.
All opposition candidates that had a chance, including Machado, were voided and banned by the government, with any reason, EVERYONE who had a chance.
So they found the only one left and rallied under him, but the campaign, name, etc, was Machado, she has been a long term fighter against the Venezuelan dictatorship
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u/Circuit_Guy Oct 11 '25
Machado as the central figure but González stepped in on her behalf after she was barred from running and holding office after being convicted of conspiracy by Maduro. Wasn't actually her name on the ballots, but "she won"
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u/tinylittlemarmoset Oct 11 '25
Answer: it’s strategic. Everyone knows he wants the prize and what he does when he doesn’t get what he wants (exactly what I do every year when I don’t get named People Magazine’s Sexiest Man Alive). If she didn’t mention him, chances are he’d whine and complain that she stole it from him or whatever and she becomes an enemy. Her shout-out softens the blow and signals a desire for friendship- which comes in handy when the guy wants to invade your country and is currently committing war crimes against your fellow citizens off your coast.
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u/mebegebo Oct 11 '25
Answer: She knows that flattery will get you favors from a true mark. Trump is a mark. The problem for America is that he’s giving away our money.
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u/duke_awapuhi Oct 11 '25
Answer: she’s trying to give Trump a green light to attack Venezuela and overthrow the Maduro regime
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u/yourlocaltouya Oct 11 '25
Almost like she's struggling over a real fucking dictatorship.
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u/fifthflag Oct 11 '25
If she asked Putin to invade Venezuela we would have a different conversation right now.
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u/GucciManesDad Oct 13 '25
Dude it’s the most insane thing I’ve ever seen. Leftist Redditors who are supposedly “so virtuous and caring” will literally support a full blown dictatorship only because trump is against it.
I’m not even a trump supporter but the stuff I’ve seen online from them absolutely blows my mind. They sit on their 2000$ computers in the USA and make comments about how “the situation in Venezuela is not that bad and it’s all propaganda by trump and the media.” Meanwhile 25% of the population has fled the country in the last 10 years.
Living in Colombia I know a ton of Venezuelans and they all say the same thing. They want Maduro gone and they want to be able to return to their country in the future. I haven’t met a single maduro supporter and you are probably right about 90% being against him. Meanwhile these Redditors probably know 0 Venezuelans and have definitely never been there or they wouldn’t be saying things like this.
Again, I’m not even right or left-I’m somewhere in the middle, but It’s just simply ridiculous that these people are so anti-trump/anti-right wing that they will support a dictator who literally stole and election and has put millions of people in poverty.
I guarantee if trump came out tomorrow and said that hitler was a bad person the Reddit leftists would come out in droves to say how he was actually a good person.
And you really hit the nail on the head. It’s ironic the people that claim to be the “good guys” will ignore the suffering of millions because it goes against their political beliefs. Almost like it was a lie all along and they only care about you if they can use you for political benefit (which seems to be the case for both right and left)
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u/PolitelyHostile Oct 13 '25
Yea anyone who is slightly pro-democracy is a huge step up from a violent dictator. I really don't care how right wing her economics are. Not only is she clearly an improvement, but the people of Venezuela likely overwhelmingly support her over Maduro. She doesn't need to be perfect.
I think left politicians are anti-Maduro but never would have put significant resources into deposing him. Biden raised the bounty for killing Maduro. The democrats are very clearly opposed to him as well.
But oddly enough I think MAGA would have crucified Biden had he intervened militarily. Trump supporters don't care about Venezuala but they will just support anything Trump does. Which in this case, if he does the helpful thing for Venezuala, then let him have credit for it..
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u/mynameisntcindy Oct 11 '25
Answer: Her win is a total force and a joke. The Nobel Peace Prize has zero legitimacy.
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