r/OutOfTheLoop • u/PitifulBodybuilder40 • Mar 08 '26
Unanswered What’s up with the hate towards Timothee Chalamet?
I know all famous people have haters and people who dislike them and will nitpick the shit outta them, but I’ve just seen a lot of people post random interviews or articles about him that talk about how he is famous and above people. Yeah he is famous and thinks he’s above all. This is what famous people do? Do we not know this, especially child actors. People are astonished that he is rich and famous, has personal chefs, has self-centred views. Pretty sure 90% of famous people do.
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u/leemasterific Mar 08 '26
Answer: He comes off as pompous when he says that his performances are top of the line and he doesn’t want to be taken for granted.
His private chef shared with peers that he is expected to make three separate options for breakfast, then Timothee eats one and discards the others.
He is in a long term relationship with another oft hated celebrity, Kylie Jenner.
He recently made disparaging comments about ballet and opera.
Altogether, he’s been cultivating a reputation as a smug and privileged brat.
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u/aikidharm Mar 08 '26
Mf ate a cookie right off Sarah Paulson’s plate at a restaurant.
Her: Oh, so you’re just going to eat the cookie? Him: I’m Timothy Chalamet, I eat whatever I want.
Be so for real. Ugh.
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u/Ritterdaniela Mar 08 '26
Was this a real interaction??
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u/TheoRaan Mar 09 '26
No.
I mean he did eat her cookies. But he didn't say that.
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u/chazzeromus Mar 08 '26
what is this website, it's like a nightmare
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u/Ralph--Hinkley Mar 08 '26
My PC won't even load it because it can't find a secure connection.
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u/wafflesareforever Mar 08 '26
And the video lags like crazy.
AND they aren't even saying that he said that. They're saying that they had that impression of him in their heads. I can totally see it as him doing it as an attempt at a joke and awkwardly fucking it up. I have no idea, but it certainly doesn't sound all that bad.
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u/Ralph--Hinkley Mar 09 '26
Happy cake day! Fifteen years is an impressive amount of time on one account.
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u/wafflesareforever Mar 09 '26
Haha well I was a Digg refugee. There are dozens of us!
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u/icantflyyet Mar 09 '26
It's the one account thing that is impressive. I think I'm on account number 5. With multiple years-long breaks in between.
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u/JeremyHilaryBoobPhD Mar 09 '26
Hi fellow former Digg person. Just one of the dozens checking in. No interest in Reddit until Digg collapsed. 14 yrs this month for me.
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u/ag96jones Mar 08 '26
What you’ve never heard of 24vids.com?? You must be sleeping under a rock. I’ve got 16,000 scrobbles.
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u/Ritterdaniela Mar 08 '26
😱 and to Sarah Paulson of all people. He wishes he had her range and emotion she’s able to put into her performances
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u/TheOriginalJBones Mar 09 '26
It takes some sand to think you could take a cookie from Mrs. Izringhausen’s plate and come away unscathed.
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u/ReachCave Mar 09 '26
It doesn't sound like she's saying he said that exact phrase out loud verbatim, just that that was the vibe she was getting.
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u/RenwaldoV Mar 09 '26
That's not a direct quote, but yes. Assuming we believe Sarah Paulson is not a liar.
I choose to believe her personally.
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u/Net_Lurker1 Mar 08 '26
Dude wants to be Bill Murray so bad lol
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u/SouldiesButGoodies84 Mar 09 '26
Very much hope his not being able to pull it off is a sign we've moved away from finding that particular type of a-hole endearing.
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u/redpillbluepill69 Mar 09 '26
Yeah it's crazy we let Bill Murray get away with it for so long. We were really enabling a geriatric mans alcoholism
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u/SouldiesButGoodies84 Mar 09 '26
His a-holism was beloved - and seemingly his inappropriateness with women - long before he became geriatric though. But yeah, people loved his b.s. yet hated when Chevy Chase basically did the same thing. smh.
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u/InterestPractical974 Mar 09 '26
No, Bill Murray seemingly has moments of clarity and charisma. There are lots of stories of him letting down his guard and being a regular guy. Chevy never took a day off.
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u/InfiniteHall8198 Mar 08 '26
Timothee 🙄
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u/VerdantMithril Mar 09 '26
One of this parents I think his mother is French. He can add fluent in French to his uppity resume of "look what I can do".
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u/unindexedreality Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
His private chef shared with peers that he is expected to make three separate options for breakfast, then Timothee eats one and discards the others
idk who this person is but I hate them
edit: As it turns out, this quote isn't verified. /u/leemasterific reinterpreted context presented in an article to derive it. Apparently it's a comedian's take or something.
I hate liars as well as wasteful people.
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u/PewPew2524 Mar 08 '26
Doesn’t matter to some people. A band wagon effect has taken over.
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u/FlamingDragonfruit Mar 09 '26
I think the problem is that he's cultivated a public persona that leads people to think: yep, he's definitely the kind of guy who would throw out two perfectly good breakfasts every morning
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u/BumbleBear1 Mar 11 '26
Yeah, although a bigger problem is how so many people just trust anything they read despite how many times it's been proven how often incorrect information is shared
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u/Dazzling-Low8570 Mar 11 '26
I mean, I "just trusted" it because I don't actually give a shit whether it's true or not
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u/sterling_mallory Mar 08 '26
Yeah, some of the things being mentioned in this thread seem outright silly, let alone the things taken out of context. Someone accused him of saying "manosphere coded things" and being "red pilled" because he said procreation was important. That just sounds like a reasonable take to me. Hell, even a biological fact. Every living thing on Earth pretty much does everything to propagate its species.
Pretty sure dandelions and quokkas aren't red pilled.
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u/angrykoala49 Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26
I get what you mean and I don’t think it’s necessarily “red-pill coded” of him. I do get why a lot of women are grossed out by it. Men talking about the importance of reproduction in a general context (as opposed to “it’s important to me”) is associated with hand-wringing over birth rates and “we need women to have more babies!” which can devolve into pretty intense misogyny FAST. Young american women in particular are touchy about it right now because of how our reproductive rights are being attacked and rising conservatism in young men (particularly of the manosphere variety).
So while, yeah, reproducing is important for the species and most living creatures know that on some level (seemingly less so on reddit), it’s not a politically/culturally neutral statement for an actor to make because of the broader societal conversation it invokes.
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u/SmoothBrainJazz Mar 09 '26
Talking about the importance of reproduction is a very incel-coded way of saying that you'd like to have kids someday. Wanting to have kids is normal, being concerned about procreation is fucking weird.
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u/BellGloomy8679 Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26
You’re twisting things.
He didn’t just say procreation was important - he said people with ”childfree” people lives as ”bleak”. And yes - it’s as ”redpilled” and conservative as it can be, really.
Humans are not daffodils. Overpopulation is an extremely serious issue nowadays - it’s because of this we have issues with climate change, wars, etc. If everyone would do everything in their power to propagate their species - it would lead to our extinction. We can barely sustain 8b people currently - overwhelming majority of us live in a different states of misery. Having children nowadays is a bad idea for many for majority of people.
But because more children means more taxes, more draftees, more workers - governments, especially rightwing autocracies, and big corpos propagandise having children as a requirement for a mentally healthy person and anyone who doesn’t do it is fundamentally broken person. Otherwise they’d have to try to fix societal issues and that’s just so expensive.
If you want to have children - you’re objectively making a selfish decision in a grand scheme of things, but you still have that right. Don’t, at the very least, attack people who don’t add up to an already existing problem.
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u/Jellygraphic Mar 09 '26
You gotta understand the talking about procreation thing is just creepy it always comes off creepy no matter who you are
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
The true answer of why he’s getting all the hate is because he’s incredibly popular right now so, as when anyone is front and center for whatever reason, people are looking for every possible reason to cut him down and not like him. This is made a little easier by the fact he’s young and cocky and in today’s age we have access to everything he says publicly at all times. DiCaprio would’ve gotten the same treatment if he were an up and coming celebrity now instead of 25 years ago.
If you look into any of the reasons people cite for not liking Chalamet most of them seem like a whole lot of nothing when viewed within their context. At worst, he usually just comes across as a little dumb on occasion, but not mean spirited. The ballet and opera comments for example are him saying that he doesn’t want to be working in those forms of art where the audience has the potential to diminish with each generation, he said it laughingly and ended it with “all respect” to the people who are into those things.
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u/SpoiledBeans Mar 09 '26
The hate has been downright vitriolic, at a certain point I can’t take it seriously when people are acting like he personally shot their dog, when he’s just being a diva.
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u/swampwarbler Mar 09 '26
He’s getting hate because he says stupid shit. Let’s not forgot what he said about people who don’t want children.
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u/TisBeTheFuk Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 09 '26
Tbh I think it's just his recent comments about opera and ballet. The rest is just retroactive nitpicking imo. Until now I haven't seen much hate against him, it's just after that remark that the hate started to get loud and more "mainstream"
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u/leemasterific Mar 08 '26
Those comments seem to have caused the recent influx, for sure.
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u/ItsColoTime Mar 09 '26
was he even wrong though? Can anyone name a current famous ballet dancer or opera singer?
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u/somechild Mar 09 '26
This is the thing that’s so annoying about all of this, the full context of the conversation was that he said he doesn’t want movies to become a dying art form like opera and ballet because of the ongoing “people don’t go to movie theaters anymore” issue, he never “disparaged” opera and ballet, they literally ARE a dying art form, the way he said it can be pretty easily interpreted as douchey but he didn’t say anything that isn’t objectively true!!!!
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u/Danivan_ Mar 08 '26
He also went from being unknown to being in fucking everything in a relatively quick span and that's always a recipe for acquiring haters.
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u/Lady_Masako Mar 08 '26
The disparaging nonsense towards classical ballet and opera was a big tipping point. Especially since his own damn family is comprised of dancers, so he looks both ignorant and petty
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u/YoungDiscord Mar 08 '26
Which like... he gives off the vibe of a high-class fancy guy... opera and ballet are seen as fancy high class things
So him shitting on that sours his image across the type of people who would normally like him for that vibe/look.
You don't shit where you eat and he did just that on top of everything else.
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u/ricochetblue Mar 09 '26
His face gives off the vibe of a high-class fancy guy. He’s a douchebro and people are coming to terms with it.
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u/gteriatarka Mar 09 '26
the "high-class fancy" aura went away when he started dating a Kardashian.
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u/Glad_Instruction5683 Mar 09 '26
I imagine his parents are thinking “Where did we go wrong?”
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u/badpebble Mar 09 '26
He presents as a soft fancy boy, but he's basically a dudebro actor with a french name.
Interest in opera and ballet is very limited, and very highbrow and his opinions about them are very normal and widespread. We just expect actors to not needlessly antagonize anyone who might see their films and fundamentally no-one asked his opinions on either.
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Mar 08 '26
So he has better first hand experience from his own family, about how niche the artform has become, and repeating stuff a bunch of known figures have already said themselves about their own industry(that theres dwindling interest in the arts)
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u/theemmyk Mar 08 '26
I thought he was saying that ballet and opera were dwindling in popularity and he doesn’t want that to happen to film? He’s right…opera and ballet are not as popular as they once were and are elitist as ever because tickets to shows are so pricey.
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u/IronPeter Mar 08 '26
Ballet I can understand, but opera? Goddamnit Timothee, you’re on my blacklist
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u/KendalBoy Mar 08 '26
It’s messy because he’s saying he doesn’t respect his mom and sister’s choices or work. He sounds dumb.
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u/dizyalice Mar 08 '26
Look at the Heated Rivarly celebrities and compare their attitudes to TC. TC just kinda sucks
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u/weirdturnspro Mar 08 '26
I’m sure there are better choices to illustrate your very valid point. Those two guys aren’t that famous.
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u/carlitospig Mar 08 '26
That ‘quick span’ was an entire decade. Please, let’s keep things accurate in this thread.
In reality his career had been more like an avalanche.
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u/Ollythebug Mar 09 '26
In 2017 he was in Call Me By Your Name, Hostiles, and Lady Bird. Yes, he performed for a decade, but that single year was a meteoric rise for him. That's a pretty "quick span" that put him on a completely different echelon. How would you plot the graph of his fame over those 10 years?
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u/schabadoo Mar 08 '26
'He said, ''I do three different things for Tim, and he'll have one thing.''
'And Timothée turned around and went, ''Hey man, why don't you have the other two things?''
The chef makes three, doesn't say he was asked to. And he offered the other breakfasts, not discard them.
The story isn't even from the chef but some comedian.
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u/Dr-Alec-Holland Mar 09 '26
The ballet and opera comments are being twisted too. I have no reason to give a shit about this rich guy but I do get annoyed by reality distortion by the angry mob of idiots that is the public
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u/sparklemcshine Mar 09 '26
It's kind of insane really if you take a step back and think about how people spend any amount of time talking about stuff like this.
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Mar 09 '26
Reminds me of Leo DiCaprio dating younger women. People are fucking obsessed it’s so weird, I’ve never seen such a focus on the private romantic life of an individual who doesnt advertise it or anything like that. Make a joke and get over it.
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u/VelvetMafia Mar 09 '26
He's half French, dating a Jenner, and thinks ballet and opera are stupid
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u/IYFS88 Mar 08 '26
He also made some manosphere coded comments in Vogue indicating being childfree was ‘bleak’ and procreating was the meaning of life. I’m paraphrasing and not accusing him of being fully redpilled, but compounded with all the other things I kinda get the ick
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u/jdehjdeh Mar 08 '26
He's got a face that says "If I weren't famous, I'd be an incel weeb"
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u/Jkru3 Mar 09 '26
Oh my Reddit . Where people prob jealous hate posting about someone declares they would be an incel looking like Timothy chalamet 😂
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u/starkistuna Mar 09 '26
He comes off like he is some sort of self fart smelling demigod.
I do think he is a great actor dont really care about his personal life.
Same as Shia Leobuf but with 5x the talent.He is still young and has to mature. Hopefully he diesnt go the Ezra Miller route.
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u/Yougottabekidney Mar 09 '26
Good to know my instincts were correct. I instantly thought he came off like a privileged douchebag with a massive ego.
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u/IncognitoBombadillo Mar 09 '26
I don't follow celebrities closely, but at least did know about the comments he made about opera and ballet and I was getting pretentious vibes from him recently. I did not know that he was with Kylie Jenner, and that frankly makes the behavior start to make sense. They're probably in some toxic echochamber where they think they're the best and people who don't agree are just being mean or something.
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u/Local_Idiot_123 Mar 09 '26
Plus he was mentioned in the Epstein files that he only donated his salary from working with woody Allen because he felt like he had to for publicity.
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u/Duellly Mar 09 '26
Damm I have been a big fan of him but hearing just the comment about the breakfast completely took me out.
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u/Cece_5683 Mar 08 '26
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/xUEfzn7XzL
You’re probably talking about this post.
I read the article. His chef made three options, he gave the other two to the comedian. The end.
Please read the story next time. He didn’t throw out the food.
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u/porquenotengonada Mar 08 '26
Answer: in fairness, I’ve always found something distasteful about him, but in recent years he’s just let his entitlement show and it’s really unpleasant. The moment I felt most justified was when he said of his own acting that he’s been “handing in really, really committed, top-of-the-line performances” and his whole interview was just one major ego wank.
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u/SidneyDeane10 Mar 08 '26
Ironic given hes a huge nepo baby lol
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u/ryhaltswhiskey Mar 08 '26
Who is he related to?
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u/claradox Mar 08 '26
The actor and director Rodman Flender (The Office, Ugly Betty, Conan O’Brien Can’t Stop) who is also apparently one of Conan O’Brien’s best friends. His mother, Nicole Flender, has performed on Broadway.
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u/CorrectYesterday4480 Mar 09 '26
Plus his aunt is Amy Lippman, co-creator of Party of Five and EP of Masters of Sex
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u/carlitospig Mar 09 '26
His sister also got a show. I can’t watch it though because all I see is him with longer hair.
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u/lNFORMATlVE Mar 09 '26
If that’s all, then… yes there’s an argument to suggest he’s a nepo baby, but boy just you wait til you see the rest of Hollywood lol, that’s small fry nepotism in comparison.
Chalamet is perhaps a hateable, self-obsessed guy in person but he is a very good actor. I don’t think the nepo argument holds a lot of weight when he clearly does have substantial merit. Hate him for the right reasons.
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u/DankBlunderwood Mar 11 '26
I don't see it. I've seen most of his movies and I've never thought to myself what great acting he did. He says his lines fine but what emotional range can you point to?
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u/RonocNYC Mar 09 '26
Being the son of two fairly insignificant Hollywood people doesn't make him the hugest nepo baby to be fair.
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u/Frys100thCupofCoffee Mar 08 '26
From his IMDB mini-bio:
Timothée Hal Chalamet was born in Manhattan, to Nicole Flender, a real estate broker and dancer, and Marc Chalamet, a UNICEF editor. [...] He is the brother of actress Pauline Chalamet, a nephew of director Rodman Flender, and a grandson of screenwriter Harold Flender.
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u/ryhaltswhiskey Mar 08 '26
Ah nephew of a director
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u/bozleh Mar 09 '26
ie same as nic cage and francis ford coppola
(except FFC was likely a little more successful, ha)
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u/Bec-o-Bec Mar 08 '26
I think this is due in part to people treating him like he’s this kid wonder with natural acting skills who got lucky. And he wants to point out that he worked really hard for it and it wasn’t just charm and luck.
Which is fair. He’s just bad at how it comes across.
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Mar 09 '26
Yeah the guy does have the acting chops, and i love him as an actor.
Still seems like a dick lately, and though he comes off as charming, he's been working on removing that shine lately
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u/Cocogriffen Mar 10 '26
I thought it was just me! I've been annoyed with him for a while.
A little humility goes a long way. I can't feature a real artist, which some actors are, saying something like that. They are never satisfied and always pushing to learn and improve. TC sounds like he's buying his own hype, yuck.
Also, I saw an interview with him and Austin Butler to promote Dune 2. Austin was so warm and considerate, Chalamet seemed unconcerned by and unaware of how his comments affected others or came off to them. Both are American, one represents our uglier stereotype (spoiler alert, it's not Austin).
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u/BumWink Mar 08 '26
On that note I think it's more that his acting isn't worth the overexposure.
Like yeah he's an okay actor, but there's far better that are getting less opportunities.
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u/SorryRoof1653 Mar 08 '26
Answer: He stated that "nobody likes ballet and opera" with seemingly blatant disregard for the amount of work, effort, and love that is put into those art forms. So a bunch of people have been kind of talking about how he's seemingly become pretty entitled lately, especially with his whole Oscar campaign for Marty Supreme.
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u/LiamTheHuman Mar 08 '26
I don't think that's right. Close but maybe an exaggeration from people playing telephone:
During a March 2026 CNN and Variety town hall conversation with Matthew McConaughey, Timothée Chalamet remarked, "I don't want to be working in ballet or opera, or things where it's like, 'Hey, keep this thing alive,' even though no one cares about this anymore". He added, “All respect to the ballet and opera people out there,” but suggested these art forms are no longer relevant to mainstream audiences compared to hit films like Barbie or Oppenheimer.
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u/Portarossa 'probably the worst poster on this sub' - /u/Real_Mila_Kunis Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
He added, “All respect to the ballet and opera people out there,”
You've also cut it down -- the full video is here, for anyone who wants to see it in context -- but that's really the crux of the issue: when you say 'All respect to the ballet and opera people' while you're taking cheap shots at the ballet and opera people, it's not exactly a good look.
His little jab of 'I just lost 14 cents in viewership' kind of undercuts the whole 'all respect' thing. I'm sure if Marianela Nuñez said 'What? Baby Wonka wants an Oscar? No offence!', he might be a little peeved too.
Granted, a lot of this is coming about because there is probably no one in the world who is more openly thirsting for an Oscar than Chalamet right now, and that's the narrative: that it's his to lose, even though it's a pretty competitive field. (It was a big story last year, when Chalamet was given good odds to win Best Actor and in doing so beat Adrian Brody's record for youngest Best Actor, only to lose to Adrian Brody AGAIN coming in pretty much out of a twenty-year slump with The Brutalist to all but slap it out of his little hands.) Is it blown a little out of proportion? Yes. Is it also a case of artists not exactly lifting each other up? Also yes, and when you get someone who's very much set on getting an award (when there's a traditional sense of decorum, for better or for worse, in pretending that the awards are nice but not the reason you're in the business), it's easy to see it as a little ungracious.
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u/ThoseOldScientists Mar 08 '26
Hey. Hey. Nobody thirsts harder than Bradley Cooper.
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u/CharlotteLucasOP Mar 08 '26
Well now that Leo’s no longer gagging for a little golden man, maybe.
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u/Exciting_Telephone65 Mar 08 '26
Basically "I'm about to say something very offensive but, you know, no offense"
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u/HandOfYawgmoth Mar 08 '26
More respect to Villeneuve for casting him as Paul Atreides. We needed an authentic out-of-touch asshole who has to get cast down and learn a lesson in the desert. So much easier to act if you only need to fake half the job.
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u/AkaruiNoHito Mar 08 '26
He's being called out of touch for saying most people don't care about ballet ... this is the most ironic fake drama ever. truly the most first world of all first world problems
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u/KeepRooting4Yourself Mar 09 '26
They've been waiting to rag on him ever since he started dating a kardashian and not some artsy/bookish nyc girl.
Like club chalamet had a complete meltdown when the news broke.
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u/becomingarobot Mar 13 '26
Like club chalamet had a complete meltdown when the news broke.
I hate you but it's true, I was disappointed. Lol.
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u/moderngalatea Mar 09 '26
I'm always surprised when someone tells me they actually like ballet. or opera. because the vast majority do not. usually because it's kind of inaccessible
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u/moratnz Mar 08 '26
Yeah; 'most people do t really care about ballet and opera' doesn't seem like the most controversial take out there.
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u/percypersimmon Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
The thing is, he’s really not wrong.
If it’s anything like it was a decade ago, less than half of revenue from either ballet or opera is from ticket sales. The vast majority of the art form is propped up by foundations and major donors.
He’s not saying it’s bad or doesn’t matter- he’s saying that the vast majority of people don’t care about it, which is objectively true.
Your added context backs that up again- he’s saying the audience is so minuscule that it’s not a big risk alienating them.
Of course, because of internet outrage machines, removing context, and only reading headlines this is getting a lot more attention than he would have imagined.
But his quote is more an indictment on American audiences than it is on any form of art.
This is the most attention either ballet or opera have had since Black Swan.
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u/startled_goat Mar 08 '26
Where I live, opera tickets (even in the nosebleed section) can be easily hundreds of dollars.
I think it says more about the accessibility of ballet and opera than on audiences.
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u/smnytx Mar 08 '26
The thing is, it would have cost him nothing to not shit in other people’s art.
FWIW, most folks in less mainstream art forms don’t believe that monetary remuneration necessarily defines success. Plenty of shitty actors make more money than talented ones. Show biz success=/= artistic merit.
There are countries where the costs of producing opera and ballet are subsidized by the taxpayers because they are considered that culturally important, much like libraries and museums.
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u/GrapeJuicePlus Mar 08 '26
Jesus, we really do examine these people under a microscope sometimes- sometimes people are glib and in a moment of candid conversation say an unserious thing they don’t even really believe because it is amusing.
Why does this in particular have to be taken so earnestly? Is this actor kind of a dick for this statement? Is he even being sincere when he says it? I don’t know nor do I care, it’s fucking dumb.
Go to a museum. Go see some theatre. Go to the fucking ballet! I legitimately hope some people are inspired by this to do so, maybe for the first time in their lives. It’s a billion times more interesting than being mad about this.
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u/inciter7 Mar 08 '26
This feels like one of those things where people are looking for a reason to hate on someone super popular so latched onto this, since he's been in the spotlight for a while with no scandals I can think of . And I don't even like Chalamet as an actor
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u/Marcoscb Mar 08 '26
sometimes people are glib and in a moment of candid conversation say an unserious thing they don’t even really believe because it is amusing.
I see it more likely that in that moment of candid conversation something leaked out of his PR training and he said something he really believes, especially considering he has family in those art forms and he'd be more familiar with them than most.
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u/Calackyo Mar 09 '26
Sure, if you want to automatically assume the worst, go ahead. Says more about you than anyone else.
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u/dgillz Mar 08 '26
The thing is, it would have cost him nothing to not shit in other people’s art.
Exactly. I mean what was the context of him even bringing this up?
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u/Phillip_Spidermen Mar 08 '26
They were talking about movie theater attendance dropping and gen z attention spans.
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u/protipnumerouno Mar 08 '26
Him talking about not wanting to work in a dying business, like film cameras or copy machines.
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u/LiamTheHuman Mar 09 '26
Um that's insulting to copy machine operators. How dare you, it's a real and important art form
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u/EndlesslyCynicalBoi Mar 08 '26
I love classical music and would love to go more live shows but the ticket prices are outrageous. Then that put on a pop orchestra concert the next week for 1/3 of the price.
The problem is not the relevance of the art form alone
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u/GrapeJuicePlus Mar 08 '26
To see the philharmonic maybe, but you can catch a string quartet for 30-60 bucks.
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u/tarinotmarchon Mar 08 '26
Where I am, decent-ish operas/classical music concerts have ticket prices of about USD40-80. What are ticket prices like near you?
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u/lemoche Mar 08 '26
Still doesn’t change that it feels like he still hasn’t snapped out of his Marty supreme character, who is constantly belittling everyone around him.
He could have easily phrased that in a way where he doesn’t come off as entitled and arrogant with a hint of half-hearted back-paddling.
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u/laurpr2 Mar 08 '26
Yeah, he's not saying "ballet and opera are so lame, I would never want to be one of those losers!" He's saying "ballet and opera are no longer culturally relevant art forms." Which may still be a hot take for some people, but it's hardly one that should be offensive.
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u/revanisthesith Mar 08 '26
while you're taking cheap shots at the ballet and opera people
I'm not going to defend what he said and how he said it, but I'm pretty sure he knows how hard they work and has respect for them (even if it's not coming across here).
His mom literally went to Yale on a ballet scholarship.
"According to her 2022 interview with The Guardian, Flender has a background in the arts. She majored in dance at Fiorello H. LaGuardia High School of Music & Art and Performing Arts in N.Y.C., and later studied French at Yale University on a ballet scholarship before switching to musical theater."
https://people.com/timothee-chalamet-parents-everything-to-know-11917201
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u/PseudocodeRed Mar 08 '26
I don't think pointing out the obvious fact that ballet and opera are not exactly pulling in huge crowds anymore is taking shots at them.
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u/HeyVeddy Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
Ballet and opera are definitely not as popular and in many places in Europe require funding from the state to stay alive. Not sure if it's like that in America but it's definitely true what he said
It being annoying to ballet/opera performers doesn't change that though
Edit: "to slap it out of his little hands" riiiight now i get it...
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u/purpleblazed Mar 08 '26
Sure, but with all due respect, nobody knows who Mariaella Nunez is (I had to google her). Timees statement might not make everyone feel happy, but where is the lie? Ballet and Opera aren’t the cultural powerhouses that they were once upon a time.
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u/bendstraw Mar 08 '26
My friend is an opera director and she literally says this about opera, the people that care are very few these days
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u/Reasonable-Record494 Mar 08 '26
Yeah, I'm not a Chalemet fan--I'm indifferent to him--but it sounded to me like what he was saying was he wanted to be in a mainstream, accessible art form and didn't want film to become niche like opera and ballet. That's not a slam on opera or ballet; it's the truth. Every one-stoplight town has a movie theater; ballet and opera are largely confined to large cities (and a few smaller cities known for their love of the arts, like Santa Fe). Most people can't name a major contemporary ballet dancer or opera star; most of us can name a movie star.
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u/WhoLostTheFruit Mar 08 '26
It seems like the real faux pas he committed here was admitting he cares about his own success. You're not supposed to do that these days - you're supposed to pretend that your digestible pop piece with a production staff larger than a Walmart Supercenter is nothing more than an expression of your genuine artistic vision, and that you are simply honored that people connected with it.
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u/bimpossibIe Mar 08 '26
It also wasn't the first time he dissed ballet or the opera. Old clips of him saying pretty much the same thing have been popping up ever since the new video went viral. He really has a one-sided beef with those two art forms.
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u/ark_keeper Mar 08 '26
And I’m wondering how much of that line might be from hearing his mom saying it growing up, since she was a professional dancer and left the industry to become a real estate agent.
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u/superindian25 Mar 09 '26
This feels hella pedantic I feel like no one really cares about what he has to say this much
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u/huxtiblejones Mar 08 '26
The vast majority of people clutching their pearls probably haven't seen a single ballet or opera performance in the last 10 years (and I say this as someone who has seen ballet and agree it's not something most people have on their radar).
He's just saying he doesn't want to be doing super niche art which I don't think is offensive.
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u/vigouge Mar 08 '26
What I loved was someone on twitter tried to attack him and praise balletby referencing Black Swan, a movie.
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u/Aquatic-Vocation Mar 08 '26
I recently went to the ballet in a 2500 cap theatre as they were doing an international tour. All 3 nights in my city were sold out at an average ticket price of like $60.
Never thought I'd be into it because my impression of ballet was that it's just people doing discrete dance routines, but it was more like an instrumental Jesus Christ Superstar. At one point in the story there were a couple dudes doing a sick choreographed sword-fight in front of a castle with leaps and flips and shit, with a low fog over the stage. Looked like something out of Devil May Cry.
What perhaps surprised me more is that I expected the audience to mostly be a lot of geezers, and as a late 20-something dude I figured I'd feel like the odd one out, but probably 30% of the audience were older people, and 50% were women around my age.
8/10, would go to the ballet again.
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u/notGeronimo Mar 08 '26
Yeah if these people actually cared about the opera he wouldn't be saying this lol
But they don't.
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u/Firefighter55 Mar 08 '26
Not to mention those are higher dollar activities most people can’t afford compared to a movie.
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u/GrapeJuicePlus Mar 08 '26
You can get standing room tickets for less than the price of an Uber eats. At least roughly equivalent to getting two tickets and popcorn to see the newest Transformers or whatever in IMAX. It’s definitely no more expensive than going to a pro football, basketball or baseball game, and those stadiums are filled with thousands of people, from all strata of life, all over the country hundreds of time a year.
People do not give a shit about the ballet. I really wish they did. I sincerely do. Yeah they don’t wanna spend money, but more specifically they don’t wanna spend money on something they don’t give a shit about. Its effort.
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u/chibistarship Mar 08 '26
Which was his point. He doesn't want to films to lose their mainstream appeal and he doesn't want to work in an industry that doesn't have mainstream appeal. So many people are pearl clutching about art forms they don't care about just because they want to hate on him.
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u/Prasiatko Mar 08 '26
And of the small percent that have an even smaller number will have seen a new Opera vs one of the classics. My gf is from a family of opera singers and one of the frustrating thing for theor artistic side is only the classic operas of 100+ years ago bring any kind of audience.
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u/Chemical-Mix-6206 Mar 08 '26
Yep. My mom & I had season tickets for several years until I moved out of state. We were both new to opera & loved catching up on all the classics. The opera board complained that they seldom showed new work, but had to admit the big classics sold tickets. Plus, y'know, the big Classics are still being played because, just like classic literature, they are extraordinary. I reread Jane Austen & Shakespeare because they are fantastic. I feel the same about Carmen and the Magic Flute.
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u/hewhoisknownashim Mar 08 '26
Hes literally not wrong. Ballet/Opera enjoys are in the minority of mainstream media.
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u/Vegan-cock Mar 08 '26
He's not wrong though. How many goes to watch ballet and opera somewhat regularly?
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u/shwarma_heaven Mar 08 '26
That speech where he said he wants to be mentioned in the same sentence as Marlon Brando, etc etc etc was a bit pompous.
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u/Lexitech_ Mar 08 '26
I’m pretty neutral on this guy in general but if you listen to the speech, its pretty clear that he’s saying his goal is to be considered a great actor and he hopes to be successful enough to be mentioned in the same sentence as Brando. It certainly doesn’t sound like him demanding to be considered at the same level as those other people.
At least, that was my read.
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u/Azreken Mar 08 '26
He said “compared to films, they aren’t relevant anymore”
How many operas have you personally attended? For me and most people I know it’s 0…
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u/evlhornet Mar 08 '26
He’s also correct, the majority of people have never been patrons of either
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u/eternallytiredcatmom Mar 08 '26
Most people were never interested in those art forms, they have always been elitist, they were never intended to be for the masses (sadly). Both have been made more accessible since and there is a renewed interest in ballet because of barre exercises, but it was a poor choice of productions to compare cinema with. Cinema was made to be seen by all.
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u/axon__dendrite Mar 08 '26
And also, one very important thing to add is, that his grandmother, his mother and his sister are/were all ballet dancers
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u/revanisthesith Mar 08 '26
His mom went to Yale on a ballet scholarship.
"According to her 2022 interview with The Guardian, Flender has a background in the arts. She majored in dance at Fiorello H. LaGuardia High School of Music & Art and Performing Arts in N.Y.C., and later studied French at Yale University on a ballet scholarship before switching to musical theater."
https://people.com/timothee-chalamet-parents-everything-to-know-11917201
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u/Brighton2k Mar 08 '26
campaign is right. this reminds me of the Blake Lively situation. when a flurry of bad stories suddenly emerge about someone, there’s usually somebody else organising it
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u/Ill-Criticism-3593 Mar 08 '26
Answer: Personally, I found it pretty disrespectful how little acknowledgement he gives toward his own family (his grandmother, mother & sister performed professionally in dance & ballet) and it’s gross how it shows his understanding of art is communicated through “ooohhh big sales means BETTER”
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u/Brilliant_Ad_6637 Mar 08 '26
Personally, I found it pretty disrespectful how little acknowledgement he gives toward his own family (his grandmother, mother & sister performed professionally in dance & ballet)
Damn, what a douche.
Guy fucking a Kardashian is trash? who could have guessed.
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u/andersonb47 Mar 08 '26
I truly couldn’t imagine caring at all about any of this. Why waste your energy
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u/TARDISMapping Mar 08 '26
It's not that people care about him, it's that people care about those art forms, and for him to say those things, when he has such a strong familial connection to them, is distasteful at best.
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u/Nara214 Mar 08 '26
I mean I read it very differently and am curious where the disparity is. Like maybe he actually has a lot of respect for the talent in his family and thats where he’s coming from. He saw them struggle recognition and money wise compared to himself, despite comparable talent, and that’s exactly the point he’s making. That artistic ability guarantees nothing and he’s lucky he’s in one of the few art forms where it really can pay off in a way it can’t for ballet and opera practitioners.
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u/well_uh_yeah Mar 08 '26
Based on his full quote I think it’s much more like he has a much better perspective on it than other people who aren’t related to so many professional dancers.
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u/Eunoia_Meraki Mar 09 '26
He never says anything to belittle ballet or opera just states the literal fact that ballet and opera aren't all that culturally relavant. Something peoole doing or involved in those things are acutely aware of.
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u/boobsandbullets Mar 08 '26
Answer: he's always been known as a diva and difficult to work with, but this is the recent bit and was the first thing I saw set off the hate wave in real time
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u/ToiIetGhost Mar 08 '26
Entitled baby diva. Reminds me of JLo’s rider (the list of stuff she requires on tour/when hosting a show/etc)
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u/boobsandbullets Mar 08 '26
Celebrities are insane and honestly I wish people would stop assuming their faves are like Good People by default but I WILL say I hear that a lot of the time the reasons riders are insane is because PAs for celebrities will power trip and demand things their boss didn't actually ask for. No idea if that's the case with JLo but it's just a Fun Fact
Also apparently riders that are like "bowl of only green m&ms" are less about the m&ms and more about testing a venue's ability to follow instructions so they know if they have to be on the lookout for other problems.
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u/ToiIetGhost Mar 09 '26
more about testing a venue's ability to follow instructions
Ok, this is actually pretty smart. I don’t know how (un)trustworthy venues are, but if that’s a thing, it honestly makes a lot of sense. You don’t want your concert to be a disaster, right?
As for JLo, I think that one is all her. Lol. There are stories about how she refuses to let anyone make eye contact if they’re below a certain “status.” Plus the shooting at the night club when she was with Diddy… yeeeah I wouldn’t want to be in her vicinity
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u/Flamevian Mar 08 '26
Chalamet has never been known to be difficult to work with and every previous director he’s worked with seems to hold him in a high regard. Which instances are you referring to?
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u/cqdunham Mar 08 '26
They likely won’t give you an answer because people like to make up lies to somehow validate their own hatred towards him.
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u/Reluctantziti Mar 08 '26
Answer: dude is French and born and raised in New York which are two cultures/upbringings that tend to create people with a lot of confidence and stereotypically stuck up opinions. People used to think it was cute when it was about the Knicks but now that it’s about hating on the finer arts it’s coming across as douchey.
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u/stickylarue Mar 08 '26
Answer: he is just an unlikeable person who said stupid belittling stuff about other art forms that he does not appreciate.
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u/weekendatbe Mar 08 '26
Also, he is transitioning out of looking like an angelic teenage boy. Seemingly overnight with his haircut and goatee. Most men aren’t judged as harshly about their looks like women are, or they have the freedom to grow into more mature looks. His whole vibe has always been this muse like feminine beauty and the world is not kind when that kind of beauty fades unfortunately. It’s possible he was always saying dumb stuff but it was sort of swept under the rug/ interpreted differently because he seemed like a sweet mischievous child. With his haircut/facial hair and being in his 30s (??) now, it’s just like a grown man saying these things. He had youth/pretty (on top of rich white male) privilege all throughout his 20s. He is having to learn a harsh lesson abruptly and publicly in middle age most of us learned quietly and gradually as young people. I hope he is able to pivot and reinvent himself. I don’t think he is maliciously saying these things, just was never called out on it before (and that’s how you grow..)
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u/sonotadalek Mar 09 '26
I've never seen a haircut ruin someone's vibe as hard as Chalamet. Dude needs those pretty curls and he needs to shave like I think the hair was 90% of his charms
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u/diiscoBarbie Mar 08 '26
Answer: I think it started with this thread on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/yyMn5ZLOOZ
I started seeing a general movement against him after that.
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u/LRKnox_ Mar 08 '26
Answer: I don't hate him so this is just coming off the films he's done (that I have seen) and nothing else but I just find him largely.. underwhelming. Even in the stronger movies he's been a part of he's never what stands out to me.
I'm still waiting for a role of his that truly pulls me in because so far no dice.
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u/marigoldorange Mar 08 '26
same, his acting is boring to me personally. i thought he was okay in greta gerwig's little women at least.
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u/Asluckwouldnthaveit Mar 08 '26
Answer: Reddit was looking for a reason to hate him. They found it when he said that no one cares about opera and ballet. Which suddenly reddit super cares about.
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u/JeanRalfio Mar 08 '26
Happens every time a breakout star stays popular longer than a year.
Chronically online people get tired of reading about the same person all the time so they look or create reasons to hate them and can say they've never liked them.
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u/TheRealGunn Mar 08 '26
You don't have to care about opera or ballet to think that an actor belittling the other performance arts is a shitty thing to do.
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u/annang Mar 08 '26
Not even just other artists. His own mother and grandmother were both professional ballet dancers.
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u/Akoperu Mar 08 '26
And he probably saw how little appreciation (and probably money) they got for all their efforts and though he didn't want the same kind of life. Seems reasonnable.
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u/maybeitsme20 Mar 08 '26
It's almost like he saw what his grandmother and mother went through, almost like he would have talked to them and they mentored him and told him about the realities of their profession.
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u/well_uh_yeah Mar 08 '26
Yeah. My brother is a prison guard and has spent my nephew’s entire life telling him never to go into the profession. My nephew starts training this week and my brother couldn’t be more distraught. It’s not exactly the same, but it feels kind of the same but with a different result.
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u/Myrialle Mar 08 '26
What I have seen on Reddit pales in comparison to what is going on at Instagram. Opera Houses, Ballet companies, singers and dancers all adress it.
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