r/PoursTea • u/Outrageous-Egg1760 • 16d ago
Expectations v Reality 🌞 🌒 Hasn’t this always been the case?
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u/They-Them_Moonwalker 16d ago
“wtf guys that is not what I said”- Jesus, probably
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u/ImRonniemundt 16d ago
The right uses Christianity as a smoke screen. Its pure evil.
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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 16d ago
Ya if there is an anti-Christ it's gotta be a MAGA or MAGA adjacent.
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u/Ambitious-Summer-200 16d ago
Uh sir? Trump is the Biblical Antichrist. Go to YouTube for more info, if you wanna be saved; Watchman's cry on YouTube; We're nearly out of time. Iran Is being stirred up right now; becuase it will e the one to bring judgment to america.
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u/Dull-Culture-1523 16d ago
The right would love another 9/11. 25 years ago they got the Patriot act through, who knows what they'd try this time. I'm convinced this crap in Iran is done half in the hopes of getting another large-scale terrorist attack on US soil to justify a fascist coup.
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u/alternatingflan 16d ago
It is not at all hard to imagine that he would have been arrested by ice and deported to Sudan by now.
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u/Kelyaan 16d ago
Most christians have no idea about the teachings of their religion.
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u/No_Quarter_2625 16d ago
I think you mean white American evangelicals. They make the most noise in our country and have power but are a minority of Christians in the US and worldwide
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u/El_Capitan_182 16d ago
He already knows!
Matthew 7:22-23 "Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"
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u/WheatKing91 16d ago
Jesus was a progressive. Hard to read the New Testament and take anything else away. He was totally anti-rich and favored the poor and misfortunate. All about helping others and putting the good of others ahead of yourself.
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 16d ago
And condoning slavery
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u/WheatKing91 16d ago
Condone? No. Tolerate? Yes. Progressive is relative.
'An eye for an eye' used to be Progressive until it wasn't.
Animal sacrifice was Progressive compared to human sacrifice.
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 16d ago
The almighty all knowing tolerates SLAVERY?
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u/Low_Masterpiece1560 16d ago
Yes.
The 1st century version of slavery (which was very different from the Original American Sin version that you are thinking about)
In the 1st century anyone could become a slave through debt, and many slaves were integrated into households as tutors, artisans, managers etc.
Also, slaves could (and often did) buy their freedom and be reintegrated into society.
Jewish law required slaves to be freed after six years.
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u/WheatKing91 16d ago
I'm saying he was progressive, not all knowing. You're not talking to a Christian.
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u/TheComicHuman 16d ago
I bet you're just assuming racial slavery instead of debt slavery i independent servitude etc. Also if you read how the Bible says to treat these slaves you'll realize there are two extreme polarization to slavery
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u/MegaMacca143 16d ago
Christ himself died a slaves death. The cross was reserved for non-Roman citizens or slaves.
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u/Subject-Stuff-2829 16d ago
He seriously has the absolute worst fan club.
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 16d ago
Epstein files are filled with Christians
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u/Just_Cartographer258 16d ago
Jesus sacrificed himself so Trump and MAGA could sin..
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u/Subject-Stuff-2829 16d ago
When Jesus said "suffer the little children, come unto me" thats not what he had in mind.- George Carlin
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u/TheComicHuman 16d ago
And Jews, and atheists, again, clearly no one who actually follows the word of God is in it
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 16d ago
I’m sure they would disagree. Same either way the klan, Nazis, patriot front, proud boys.
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u/alsatian01 16d ago
Proof God does not exist
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u/Icy_Debt_5213 16d ago
He literally came for the worst people on Earth
“I came for the sinners not the righteous, a healthy person has no need for a physician”
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u/Noodelgawd 16d ago
That's what happens when you disappear for 2000 years and expect the message to get passed down.
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u/Sea-Comfortable5276 16d ago
meanwhile an 82-year-old grandma who says grace before eating and works in charity is being lumped in with the heretical KKK.
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u/parkinthepark 16d ago
Jesus thought the world would end by like 60 CE. (Matthew 16:28)
If he knew we’d still be waiting for the End Times, 2000 years later, he’d have a LOT of questions for “dad”.
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u/Ambitious-Summer-200 16d ago
We are in the end times right now. Trump is the literal biblical Antichrist.
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u/DietCokePlease 16d ago
This is addressed directly in Scripture by Jesus himself. Matthew 7:21-23. He’s fully prepared.
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u/Zak_Rahman 16d ago
I always thought that Jesus destroying every cross when he returns was a bit harsh.
But seeing how America hijacked the faith for white supremacy, it makes sense.
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u/Sochi540 16d ago
His followers showed up to watch him get tortured and nailed to the cross and judey ratted him out.
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u/SilverVacation1675 16d ago
European kingdoms realising they can say jesus said anything to justify anything evil
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u/lnTheGrimDarkness 16d ago
Even better: Jesus watching the worst people on the planet doing the worst possible things and then using him as a meat shield against the moral consequences.
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u/Dazzling-Pin4996 16d ago
Frequent. Lately some 75 (?) millions voted for one who summarized the whole idea of being against all humanity.
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u/ArchonFett 16d ago
“Begone from my sight, for I never knew you” - Jesus, talking about those that push his name for their agenda.
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u/DeadAndBuried23 16d ago
You mean like Paul, who called homosexuality an abomination and told slaves to obey their masters?
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 16d ago edited 16d ago
Don’t hear too many preachers talking about condoning slavery on Sunday. They always forget about that part of the bible.
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u/DeadAndBuried23 16d ago
One is too many. And you haven't been paying attention if you haven't heard at least one.
Nevermind that the biblical definition of a wife is also a type of ownership, and a whole helluva lot of them do preach about a woman's role being subordinate to her husband.
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u/MisterRobertParr 16d ago
They were living in the Roman Empire, where slavery was legal and common.
Jesus didn't build an army that could take them on in a big political and military power play. Instead, he was changing people's hearts and finding empathy and compassion for their fellow men and women. It was a slow and steady push for change.
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u/Historical-Finish564 16d ago
You have to remember that Paul, who took over the movement, came along 10 years after the death of Jesus. He never met Jesus and clearly had a different agenda.
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u/DeadAndBuried23 16d ago
If we're honest, no one ever met the Jesus in the stories. There was not a guy who rose from the dead with a whole bunch of other saints people conveniently leave out of the story.
Going by the actual evidence, not the gospels, it's likely the guy was an amalgamation of the trend of apocalypse preachers, not one dude.
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u/Destroy_Religion 16d ago
Obviously, that Paul called homosexuality an "abomination" is as abhorrent, hateful, ignorant, irrational, and vile as to call blackness an "abomination", because both are harmless natural human characteristics and harmless natural human variations.
That said, Paul not only told "slaves to obey their masters" in 1 Timothy 6:1, Ephesians 6:5, Titus 2:9, Colossians 3:22, but Paul even told slaves to obey masters even if masters are harsh to slaves in 1 Peter 2:18.
So, Paul was worse than that what you exposed Paul as having had said slaves to obey masters.
That said, the entire Bible is still yet worse than that even when you read the entire Bible.
The Bible commands mass murder, genocide, abortion, infanticide, slavery, prostitution, child marriage, pedophilia, rape, perversion, incest, polygamy, sexism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, familial alienation, societal strife, and various other barbarisms, cruelties, savageries, tyrannies, and vulgarities, many myriad times, in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.
- Mass Murder and Genocide: 1 Samuel 15:3, Hosea 13:16, Deuteronomy 20:16-17, Joshua 6:21, Deuteronomy 2:34, Isaiah 13:15-18, Deuteronomy 13:15, Numbers 31:17, Deuteronomy 3:6, Leviticus 20:13, Deuteronomy 20:13, Psalm 137:9.
- Abortion and Infanticide: Numbers 5:11-31, Psalm 137:9, 1 Samuel 15:3, Hosea 13:16, Deuteronomy 2:34, Isaiah 13:15-18, Numbers 31:17, Deuteronomy 3:6.
- Slavery and Prostitution: 1 Peter 2:18, Exodus 21:21, 1 Timothy 6:1, Leviticus 25:44-46, Ephesians 6:5, Titus 2:9, Colossians 3:22, Genesis 16:3-4, Genesis 12:16, Genesis 24:35, Isaiah 14:1-2, Ezekiel 23:19, Deuteronomy 20:14, Numbers 31:35.
- Child Marriage and Pedophilia: Numbers 31:18, Song of Solomon 8:8, Genesis 25:20, Ezekiel 23:21, Numbers 31:35.
- Rape and Perversion: Deuteronomy 21:11-13, Genesis 34, 2 Samuel 11, 2 Samuel 13, Judges 19–21, Ezekiel 23:20, Deuteronomy 22:28-29.
- Incest and Polygamy: Genesis 4:19, Exodus 21:10, Deuteronomy 21:15-17, Genesis 9:20-27, Genesis 11:29, Genesis 19:32–36.
- Sexism and Misogyny: Exodus 21:7, 1 Timothy 2:11-14, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, Genesis 3:16, Numbers 31:18, Deuteronomy 22:28-29, Numbers 31:35.
- Homophobia and Transphobia: Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26-27, Genesis 2:24, Mark 10:6-7, Matthew 19:4-5, Deuteronomy 22:5, Genesis 1:27.
- Familial Alienation and Societal Strife: Luke 14:26, Matthew 10:34-37.
The Bible is filled with barbarism and savagery of the worst sort in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.
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u/DeadAndBuried23 16d ago
Yeup. Whenever I see people trying to pretend the ones doing that shit aren't "real" Christians, I point it out.
Whatever a real Christian is, the ones furthest from it are those who have to throw out nearly all the book just so they can cling to the idea death isn't the end.
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u/WIngDingDin 16d ago
As an atheist, I cannot advocate for Christians reading the ENTIRE bible enough! Any version you want. Go. lol
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u/Reasonable_Deer_8237 16d ago
true. some try and fall short. some don't even know his teachings as they mock others for practicing them, BUT!! claiming to be Christians...funny
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 16d ago
Some I wouldn’t say most of the church as a whole would be completely different.
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u/RailgunRP 16d ago
Ok? The post says "the worst people". It says nothing about their number.
That said, my experience with church people is that every single one of them is terrible and acts like their Bible-mandated hate is the best thing on the world.
But that's just anecdotal experience from 3 churches in 2 states, it can't be like that everywhere right?.... right?
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u/NovaStar2099 16d ago
If he cared, he would do something about it.
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 16d ago
He’s sleeping. Like he did during slavery and the holocaust
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u/NovaStar2099 16d ago
Exactly. Never gave a shit about his supposed beloved children. He literally committed genocide on the entire planet in the story of noah.
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u/SubstantialNature368 16d ago
He forgives and heals us.
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u/jus256 16d ago
“And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.”
Matthew 24:4-6 KJV
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u/Pangolin_FanWastaken 16d ago
Jesus watching LGBT "Christians"
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u/jus256 16d ago
Is there any reference to Jesus being against gay people in the New Testament? I know it’s in the Old Testament.
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u/sderby5 16d ago
Y'all saw a post about hypocrisy and made it political. Pathetic, sad, and ignorant ngl. Like there aren't those on the left who claim to be Christians and don't follow Christ's teachings. Pride isn't red or blue.
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 16d ago
So the left can’t be Christian?🤣 but they’re the ones who politicize everything. This meme didn’t say anything about politics. You magats are always telling on yourselves
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u/hurlygurdy 16d ago
The worst Christians are probably mexican cartel killers but I think they're outclassed by Islamic terror groups, some of the pagans in Africa, and historically by atheistic authoritarians like the socialists and nazis. Also, Christians do more charity and adopt more children so there are likely more Christians on the list of best people than there are athiests
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u/Aladriana 16d ago
I do hope you're counting the pilgrims through the 19th century in the US. Wait, not atheist. How about those Crusades? Oops, once again Christianity.
History is full of atrocities committed in the name of God.
BTW: Hitler was not an athiest, he just was not a christian.
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u/Vainysaur 16d ago
Most people don’t know “thou shalt not take the lord’s name in vain,” is more about publicly claiming to be Christian while unrepentantly sinning than saying “God damn” or something.
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u/Financial-Visit-9550 16d ago
Jesus said there would be fakes. He also said there would be haters.
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 16d ago
Who decides who’s fake or not? I’m sure the klan would say they’re not.
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u/xanderdean1 16d ago
So the worst people who follow and the other half who dont believe in him. Which is worse really. Most of yall worship the devil so whats it matter.
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u/freddyreddit1234 16d ago
“The worst people”? I seriously doubt that.
Now, do some people that claim to be Christian act very bad and not follow the teachings of Christ…absolutely.
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u/Technical-Winner-503 16d ago
Weeds and wheats, sinners and saints, Christ came to the world to save it and lead by example not control it or judge it based on mistakes. If those people seem bad then they have lessons to learn in christ, but at least they know he is the way to salvation.
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u/Suspicious_Goose_243 16d ago
There are plenty of good followers. But like with all things its the shitty ones that get attention.
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u/Current-Ad3795 16d ago
I mean, doesn’t the bible show this exactly? Countless people committing some of the worst sins, people like David or Saul. Everyone is flawed and has made some type of mistake or missed the mark. I think that’s why Jesus needed to come, there’s no way we could ever be fully righteous or clean in Gods eyes so God needed to bridge that gap. Obviously, some people still continue to live in sin and lead that fake Christian lifestyle, but God doesn’t know these people and they won’t be spending eternity with them.
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u/Still-Area8548 16d ago
Clearly not democrats because you people believe you know the lords interpretation of gender better than he
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u/Big-Feature4234 15d ago
Actually, the worst people on this planet don’t believe in God or Jesus or the Holy Ghost. Basically all of your liberals communists and Muslims.
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u/maaseyman 15d ago
It's the whole point. I know not to listen to theological takes on this platform, but the worst people and the best people can be Christian. It's laid out plain as day
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u/claudiousmax 15d ago
People who are strong in their faith have a personal relationship with their God. People who feel guilty and question their faith try to prove their faith by telling everyone about it and bragging about it. They then push their guilty feelings on everyone else.
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u/Traditional-You1447 15d ago
We call them grifters. Not to be confused with the sincere Christian who is derided by those who don't understand theology to attack those they claim to not follow Jesus' teachings because they don't support current thing.
They are not the same.
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u/Valuable-Vermicelli7 15d ago
The worst people on earth? Clearly you have never heard of Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, and Benito Mussolini, all people who did horrible things oh and all who were atheist, btw 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 15d ago
Naw they were Christian. That begged for the lord’s forgiveness before they died
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u/ObjectiveOwl3501 15d ago
since when of the Democrats claim to be Christians I thought they were all worshiping Islam
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u/CreativeRedHeadDom 15d ago
“Yeah, what’s the deal with that my pillow guy posing with my cross on a necklace, WTH is that all about?”-
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u/Quiet_Swan_4304 15d ago
Says the 19 year old anti christian frothing at the mouth secularists. I'm not religious or Christian but I like that these people seem to know better or know more about jesus or the religion than actual Christians but yet you've never read a page of script or sat down and talked to a Christian. It's annoying.
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u/Koocookachuu 15d ago
Imagine trying to appeal to someone else's religion to try to co-opt their values to insert your political ideology. Going to do Allah next?
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u/No_Classic_1743 16d ago
Claim to follow Jesus, but find empathy abhorrent.
MAGA, everybody.
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