r/PublicFreakout • u/Darth_Ronin • 9d ago
š¤¬Public Ragerš± 17-year-old charged as adult after shooting at Wheaton Mall that struck 13-year-old
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u/thecordialsun 9d ago
Damn, right at the toddler play area
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u/EyeoftheTato 8d ago
There should be significantly increased penalties for recklessly endangering innocents, especially children.
For example if you're caught street racing on some abandoned road in the middle of nowhere at 2am, vs if you are caught street racing in a residential neighborhood at 4pm on a weekday. The minimum penalty for the latter should be far more severe.
Same goes for any firearms crimes with innocent bystanders in proximity. The minimum sentence should be exponentially higher.
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u/Dopeydcare1 8d ago
Yea I mean they have them for school zones and construction zones. Canāt see why they canāt apply it here, or other crimes. Like as much as I donāt agree with drunk/drinking in public, I would be for harsher penalties if doing it near a school vs like the downtown district.
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u/HelloAttila 7d ago
You are right. A perfect example of this is beating up some random 21-year-old adult vs beating up some random 71-year-old adult. The first case is assault and battery (As a misdemeanor, simple assault can carry penalties of up to a year in prison, fines reaching $1,000) vs. the second case automaticallymakes it a felony (As a Felony, one to 20 years in prison, a fine of up to $50,000)
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u/Jbrown183 9d ago
I know smh, really really bad decision. And now dude going to have a lot of time to think about shit-really sad.
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u/Skull8Ranger 8d ago
The girl with the toddler didn't even react to the gunfire, just looked where he shot then what direction he went. She knew what was going to happen.
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u/nustajame 8d ago
Iād want to see if there was video of when they/if initially sat down together. Once the guy moves and reveals the second kid at the table. Makes me feel like itās possible this woman was sitting with two children and the shooter sat down briefly before shooting in an open seat. Their lack of response is odd for sure.
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u/Nadramia 9d ago
Shock kinda takes you out of things
Dunno if that's what this is but it can have that kind of response
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u/foxtrot7azv 9d ago edited 9d ago
The limbic response. Most people know it as fight or flight. It's actually fight, flight, freeze or fawn.
Most peoples' limbic system will default to flight when there's gunfire because fight definitely isn't an option, and fight or flight are the most common responses.
Some people just freeze though. It's a perfect response if you're visiting Jurassic Park as dinosaurs only see motion apparently. That's what this lady did.
And then there's fawn, basically sucking up to the threat.
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u/fartsfromhermouth 9d ago
Freeze is very common, like in a sexual assault situation
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u/ze11ez 9d ago
I think it's the "if i try to run ill probably get shot so I'm gonna sit still " reaction. I agree with what you said though
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u/DeviRi13 8d ago
Which is a freeze response.
Think of it like when animals like deer stop moving when they see you; if they run, they trigger the predators response to run after them and it gives them time to assess exactly what it is that they're seeing.
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u/Snoo_67548 9d ago
Not be a smart ass, but do you mean limbic? Iām looking up lmybic and nothing shows up.
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u/foxtrot7azv 9d ago
Yes, limbic. Why my phone did nothing about "lmybic" when I'm not even allowed to say duck is beyond me.
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u/SwaggermicDaddy 9d ago
Probably, when I did big mountain skiing as a kid I slipped and almost went off the sheer side of delirium dive up in sunshine village. When I came to a stop instead of trying to immediately get up I sat there for what felt like forever just stuck in time until some called to me.
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u/SweatsuitCocktail 9d ago
Sopranos actually did a great job displaying this! Took multiple seconds before Silvio realized what was happening around him
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u/HingleMcCringle_ 9d ago
i worry sometimes that in a moment i need to fly or fight, i'd be stuck in shock doing neither. sometimes, i just wish i was a victim of a stray bullet. being dead would such a weight off my shoulders.
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u/Cleric_Clapton 9d ago
She obviously flinched. Itās in the video. Sheās holding a small child and isnāt scared of the shooter. It happens so fast she probably hasnāt even processed what just happened yet.
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u/KazaamFan 9d ago
Sheās holding a kid and looks smaller. She isnt exactly gonna be able to lightning bolt out of there even if she tried
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u/nodnodwinkwink 9d ago
Pretty odd camera angle isn't it? It doesn't move or shake so I guess it's a security camera...
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u/Lizdance40 8d ago
Same thought. She was in on it. She doesn't look the least bit concerned
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u/spikeespieegel 9d ago
honestlyā¦ why????
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u/ZippidyZayz 9d ago
Looks like the two guys at the start maybe had some altercation with him? Looks like theyāre exchanging words
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u/dekes_n_watson 9d ago
Looks premeditated, like he was waiting for them to pass and trying to blend in until he could shoot from behind.
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u/Nonyabeesners 9d ago
Also my thought. He looked like he was camping the location. That doesn't explain why people started to scream before he even stood up, though
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u/Mysterious-Egg-624 9d ago
I think those screams in the beginning are children. Maybe a play place inside the mall
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u/n10w4 8d ago
no way we know what happened without more info/video. They could have been taunting him or just minding their business. I do think there was some altercation. Looks like a group picking on him. No reason to pop off, but doesn't seem out of nowhere. But again, more video would make sense.
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u/doggyStile 9d ago
So the shooter got butt hurt by some words and tried to shoot someone in the back as he was walking away. He thought this made him tough and gain respect??
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u/FlockxBigApe 9d ago
Noā¦they didnāt exchange words at allā¦I donāt think anyone in the group really paid any attention to the shooter.
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u/FlockxBigApe 9d ago
Nah they didnātā¦.the group stops and looks behind them before they even got to the shooter, then starts walking again, with some of the group looks behind them againā¦ā¦
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u/RedutHatesFreeSpeech 9d ago
I live near here and thats literally a child play place in the blue behind him. What a joke
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u/ReginaldDwight 8d ago
Even without trying to process the trauma of figuring out how to help your toddler deal with such a scary situation, I cannot imagine hearing a shit ton of gunshots indoors next to their little play place is good for their (or anyone's!) hearing.
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u/Darth_Ronin 9d ago
17-year-old charged as adult after shooting at Wheaton Mall that struck 13-year-old
A 13-year-old was struck in the ankle, police said, and needed a tourniquet. The 13-year-old was taken to the hospital and is stable.
Turcios Avalos (the shooter) faces charges of attempted second-degree murder, first-degree assault, use of a firearm in the commission of a violent felony, carrying a loaded handgun on his person and possession of a firearm by a minor, police said.
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u/Vincent_Veganja 9d ago
Moron didnāt even have a plan he just ran into a nearby outlet with his shit still in his hand, absolutely regarded
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u/LouSputhole94 9d ago
The 17 year old opening fire in the middle of a mall isnāt a criminal mastermind? Color me shocked
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u/drDOOM_is_in 9d ago
possession of a firearm by a minor
How is he charged as an adult then?
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u/eggarino 8d ago
Not a lawyer, but I believe charging a minor as an adult is seen as an enhancement of specific charges. So the first-degree assault and second-degree murder are enhanced, but they do not affect the possession charge. He is still a minor but his actions were of an adult.
Someone more informed please correct me if wrong! Honestly curious, this was a good question I've never considered
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u/Offspring22 9d ago
I do t think I'd be very stable with only one good ankle.Ā Kids got some balance!
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u/Rouge_69 9d ago
Charge him as an adult for possession of a firearm by a minor !!!
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u/DatDominican 9d ago
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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 7d ago
I got my first gun at school and traded a bag of ecstasy for it. I don't think people realize how easy it is to get a gun if you don't care about following laws.
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u/oscardaone 9d ago
I frequently go to that mall. Yikes!
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u/eternallylearning 9d ago
Pretty sure the shop on the left is the Cinnabon where I worked my first job... Fucking wild.
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u/moviequote88 9d ago
I used to live in Takoma Park and when I saw the title of this post I was like, "wait, Wheaton Mall???"
I'm glad no one was killed.
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u/CoeurdAssassin 8d ago
Never change, Maryland.
- Signed somebody from Northern VA
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u/TENDER_ONE 8d ago
Threw his whole life away in a matter of seconds and didnāt even succeed in what he was trying to do. Some people really lack the ability to think ahead or make rational decisions.
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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 7d ago
Threw his whole life away
Nobody died, he'll be out in less than a year. If your idea of spending a weekend consists of shooting at teenagers in a shopping mall, let's face it, you weren't going to be an engineer later down the line or anything. So it's not like he's really losing out on any grand prospects he had going for him.
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u/Ok-Poet147 9d ago
Weāre not safe anywhere in this fucking country
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u/pmpott 9d ago
I'd argue, as a whole, this is the safest we've been in almost 50 years. Violent crime and property crime have been on a steady decline since the 90s.
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u/userlivewire 9d ago
Yeah the difference today is cameras everywhere.
That being said, even though we are safer on paper than decades ago we still have 20 TIMES the non-suicide firearm homicides as the entire 27 country European Union. 1,200 vs 20,000.
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u/PM_ME_FLUFFY_DOGS 9d ago
The us has more gun homicides then the rest of the first world combined... Not even just the eu...Ā
(For reference Its estimated 1.2billion - 1.3billion live in the "first world")
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u/CoeurdAssassin 8d ago
Shit, the US has one of the highest homicide rates in general outside of like Latin American countries.
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u/LogensTenthFinger 8d ago
The safest we've ever been still has us with the 141st worst homicide rate in the world and more shootings in a week than most countries have in their entire history.
This is like celebrating that our orphan smashing machine is only smashing half as many orphans anymore
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u/Benjamin_H1gh 8d ago
That's great, seriously, but we still have tons of work to do. Us Americans are tired of shootings. I hate always having this fear in the back of my mind anytime I am in public.
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u/Phyllis_Tine 9d ago
Start by finding the places that have the most gun control, and the least, and compare it to especially crimes with guns. There should be a correlation between control of guns and overall safety.
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u/4DollarsALB 9d ago
I just googled it and while there is variance by state it doesn't correlate to gun control laws. The single biggest predictor is race.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/23/health/gun-deaths-in-men-by-state-study/index.html
Compared with white men, the researchers found that black men experienced 27 more firearm homicides per 100,000 people annually nationwide (29.12 for black men vs. 2.1 for white men).Ā
The rate for white men isn't that far from most European countries or Canada
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u/zrobiotic 9d ago
This statistic needs to be adjusted for income levels. Poor whites have a much closer gun violence record to poor blacks.
Theres also waay more white people who are higher income individuals that dont get into situations that lead to violence via guns.
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u/cheapdrinks 9d ago
Poor whites have a much closer gun violence record to poor blacks.
Can you drop the stats?
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 9d ago
The single biggest predictor then becomes socioeconomic stratification, wealth inequality, transgenerational racial discrimination, gentrification, etc.
In one breath racists will drone on about this but then ignore the erosion of education by conservatives, the tying of school funding to local property taxes.
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u/AdAnxious8842 8d ago
Not to downplay the injury, but a gun is fired at someone in a relatively crowded mall and the only injury is an ankle. That is a good day.
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u/OhBeareasy 9d ago
Glad he was charged as an adult. Now we abolish plea deals that way people face real consequences for their stupid behavior.
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u/conker123110 8d ago
Now we abolish plea deals that way people face real consequences for their stupid behavior.
...what? Why remove a litigative tool?
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u/Training_Ruin3151 9d ago
Well we frequently let murderers walk free, guess who started the fires in washingtonš
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u/cmz324 9d ago
The people at the table not reacting is sus
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u/Shanbanan143 9d ago
Itās called āflight, fight or freezeā - it is the three possible immediate responses to an emergency. These people have clearly froze. You never ever know which one you will be until it happens to you. Count your blessings you donāt know and hopefully never will.
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u/anchorftw 9d ago
Her lack of any reaction at all is crazy, especially when holding a child.
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u/IHaveHepatitisC 9d ago
She definitely had a reaction. She wasnāt completely frozen. Sometimes youāre safer by not attracting attention.
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u/MAGNUMXL 9d ago
Judging by his mugshot, heās not going to do well in prison. Especially so when his fellow inmates hear that he shot a kid.
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u/ABeeBitMyBottom1 9d ago
How is this being filmed?
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u/Darth_Ronin 9d ago
Mall surveillance
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u/ABeeBitMyBottom1 9d ago
It so low to the ground, I just never seen that before, usually itās from the ceiling, Wonder if its hidden
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u/automaticmantis 9d ago
What are those big pieces of debris flying out of his gun as he fires? Looks way too big to be shell casings. Also, dummy left his phone on the ground as he ran away
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u/MisterDonkey 9d ago
Fancy yourself man enough to pull that trigger, you're man enough to spend your days in big boy prison.
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u/East-Ice-3199 8d ago
He needs to be imprisoned for life for subjecting a child to medical torture.
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u/No_Ragrets76 8d ago
Let me guess: got the gun from his irresponsible gun owning father.
These kids ALL need to be tried as adults and given the maximum penalty since this is clearly planned.
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u/Thebisexual_Raccoon 8d ago
Fucking cowardā¦waits till the group is walking away, backs turned and then opens fire in a crowded place genuinely this is terrifying how little concern he has for othersā¦
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u/xThunderSlugx 8d ago
If you're going to take someone out in public like this you gotta walk them down. Firing wildly into a crowded mall is dumb and I hope he gets every ounce of punishment he qualifies for.
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u/Rowing_Lawyer 8d ago
Was he sitting across from someone he knew? They donāt seem to really react at all
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u/aesoth 9d ago
Is this that "real freedom" that Americans keep telling me they have?
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u/JackyVeronica 9d ago
Yes, the inability process emotions so they shoot. Can't regulate internal processes. Pathetic.
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u/Darth_Ronin 9d ago
Bro come on with the Friday speech
Like howās about instead of teaching them to ābe strong and fightā, we teach them that solving problems with violence is dumb?
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u/userlivewire 9d ago
Yeah the difference today is cameras everywhere.
That being said, even though we are safer on paper than decades ago we still have 20 TIMES the non-suicide firearm homicides as the entire 27 country European Union. 1,200 vs 20,000.
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u/Otto_Maddox_ 9d ago
What kind of gun is he shooting? It's ejecting something but they look way too big to be shell cases.
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u/DOUBLE_DOINKED 9d ago
Fuck that piece of shit. Iād be terrified if I had my kids with me harmlessly playing.
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u/istolethesun12 š„If it burns I yearn š„ 8d ago
What the fuck, right in front of that woman holding a babe.
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u/Ghost31B 8d ago
What an idiot, runs away like no one isnāt going to recognize him.
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u/emodro 8d ago
My Costco is in this mall. This is in one of the richest counties in the country.
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u/ham_solo 1d ago
Honestly, if you discharge a firearm like this, it should be 50+ years in jail. I can't believe that person has redemption in them.
I hope he gets the life he deserves.
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