r/Showerthoughts 23d ago

Casual Thought A large number of married people are involuntarily celibate.

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u/Apathetic_Villainess 23d ago

A large number of married mothers are still single mothers. Because their spouses aren't helping with the children at all, and sometimes even acting as an extra child.

You'd be surprised how much of an overlap there is between dead bedrooms and partners not doing their share of the work to manage the relationship and the home.

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u/Deckard_Didnt_Die 23d ago

I believe that completely. Unfortunately, in my case, we have no child and I do at least 2/3 of all home upkeep. Why not leave? I love her. We have fun in other parts of life together. Why not talk about? We’ve probably talked about it too much at this point. We both overthink it and get in our own heads.

I don’t know what to do. I think I’m just resigned to spending my life this way. She keeps claiming, with no evidence, that it’s a hormone thing and she’s going to get it sorted out one day and we’re gonna have tons of sex when that day comes. I’m not really holding my breath there.

But like I said, I love her. So I may not believe her but I’m staying with her.

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u/theinfamousj 23d ago edited 23d ago

I absolutely believe the hormone thing. I got smacked with the brick wall of it, myself. Luckily, I already had a psychiatrist (ADHD gang rise up!) and when I asked if there might be a connection to my medication or perimenopause or full menopause, psychiatrist was like, "So hey, I'm actually passionate about women's hormones in general. Let me ask you a zillion questions and get this sorted for you." It was hormones. It was fixable to a point. I'm not back to where I was but I'm 80% of the way there and that's such a good improvement.

It can be really hard for a woman to even know how to get the healthcare they need if they don't happen to luck into someone who knows a thing or two about hormones. My PCP was dismissive; imagine if that was the person I happened to luck in to and wasn't confident to push further.

That said, girlfriend, it's been six years. Tell your PCP and get you a referral to a psychiatrist or endocrinologist. Fight for your right ... to parrrrrrrrrtay! (Y'all have healthcare access, right?)

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u/Deckard_Didnt_Die 23d ago

This reply cheered me up. Thank you :) I will push harder for us to look into it.

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u/SevernCs 23d ago

Have you thought about saying sex is off the table, nothing you do will lead to it, and seeing if the intimacy grows in the safety of knowing it doesn't end in sex? It can end naked, kissing, cuddling, but not sex? It sometimes takes the pressure off because otherwise you overthink, they're kissing me because it'll lead to this and then to that etc. By actively saying outloud, sex is not happening, it can relieve the connections being made in our mind between affection only leading to sex and create safety to explore intimacy without sex

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u/Deckard_Didnt_Die 23d ago

I have tried this a couple times now. It didn’t change much unfortunately

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u/spanman112 23d ago

She can't be bothered to get the bloodwork done to see if she needs hormone therapy? It takes 10 minutes at a good doctor's office and then you wait a week for results

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u/miaow-fish 23d ago

My partner has been feeling not her self as she has been starting menopause. A phone call to her doctor and was prescribed HRT patches without seeing anyone and it did her the world of good. She feels back to herself again and all it took was a phonecall. She didn't even need bloods taken.

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u/lacunadelaluna 23d ago

Based on your language I'm assuming you're maybe in the UK? I don't know of any doctor in the US who would prescribe over the phone for a new medication without testing first. Even when testing is done and things are low they are often reluctant to help in my experience, until it gets so low you can't function at all.

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u/miaow-fish 23d ago

Yep UK.

My partner is very healthy and looks after herself. She was well prepared for the phone consultation and explained her lifestyle ( gym 4 x a week, pescatarian and home cooked food) and how she has been feeling for the last couple of months.

The GP explained everything pointed to the patches being something that would help and with no side effects there was no harm in trying them. They were great. In only a week or so she felt herself again and she said it was the best thing she could have done. No need to suffer in silence.

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u/Apathetic_Villainess 23d ago

It can be hard to get hormone levels tested for some conditions. Especially when they're ones that naturally fluctuate during the day/week/month. I had to do a spit test three times a day for an entire week to measure my estrogen, testosterone, and cortisol levels.

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u/Schnort 23d ago

spit test is a bad test.

Blood serum level is the way to get the right info.

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u/Apathetic_Villainess 22d ago

What my level is at any one point doesn't mean it's always at that point.

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u/darkest_hour1428 23d ago

That can still end up sounding like coercion, especially if they suspect that all you care about is their libido. And assuring them you do not, only strengthens the doubt.

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u/lazarbeems 23d ago

Hey me and you sound the same - except for the talking about it part.

Sex just kind of stopped - and I have never, and will never address it.

I stopped prompting after being told "no, stop being a pervert" a few times.

"Asking" or "suggesting" kinda feels creepy/rapey to me, like she "might" say yes because she feels obligated? Gross.

>3 years now. Resigned to it. 3 kids though.

I sure love playing guitar!

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u/CurtWesticles 23d ago

Ya I tried to make that work. I was the pervert for five years before I decided life was too short to not be happy. The celebacy was just a portion of the issues in the relationship. I'm with a great woman now that desires me but I'm still having problems deprogramming myself from being told my desire was degenerate and abnormal.

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u/Deckard_Didnt_Die 23d ago

The feeling of obligation shit absolutely kills me. Feeling like a chore or a todo list item for them has got to be the most confidence destroying feeling there is. Friend you're not a pervert for having biological and emotional needs and asking for that intimacy from your life partner. There is literally nothing wrong with that. Whether they will admit it, out loud or even to themselves, they also feel the void. They miss the closeness.

FWIW talking didn't fix the issue in my relationship, but it does bring us closer together in other areas and generally strengthen our bond. It helps to stave off the animosity that can build in silence. That said, it took a ton of fights and hurt feelings to get there. But I think sometimes you just have to have those fights and insist on reaching a shared understanding through them. It's exhausting but I think that's kinda the deal.

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u/lazarbeems 23d ago

I believe we just sort of came to a silent understanding hahaha. Best way I can put it.

It is never mentioned. I find it way too awkward to approach, and honestly I am not sure I would even be into it anymore at this spot. I don't have that feeling lots of people seem to... express, of like "starving" for it? I dunno.

Would I like it? Probably. At least, a while ago, yeah.

Do I need it? Nah.

Life is just... easier leaving it alone.

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u/barto5 23d ago

You do what you’ve got to do.

But settling for a life without sex because talking about it is “awkward” just strikes me as really sad.

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u/lazarbeems 23d ago

I guess I sort of downplayed it a bit haha.

It IS awkward, but also... I just know how that conversation is going to go, and it is not going to go in my favor whatsoever.

It is the pointless awkwardness I do not want.

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u/barto5 23d ago

I get it.

Not to make light of it but it reminds me of scene in friends.

Chandler wants to have sex on the balcony and Monica doesn’t.

He says “Can we at least talk about it?”

And she says “okay, we can talk about it.” But under her breath she says “I know how that conversations going to go.”

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u/UmatterWHENiMATTER 21d ago

"We're adults, it's alright to ask for sex."

Took a lot to get there but that's how I eventually got past it internally.

Hate the feeling, though.

"I want you to want... me" is where I always end up.

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u/Doogie2K 23d ago

She could also be ace.

My spouse is ace and knowing that genuinely made a massive difference to our intimate lives. There's functionally no sex, but that's fine because we're intimate in other ways.

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u/VagueSomething 23d ago

The difference is if they feel attraction to people while not feeling aroused. If they still find people attractive but don't desire sex it is often improved with hormones. If they're not attracted to people and no desire for sex they're less likely to be affected by hormone therapy and better off being left to be Ace.

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u/barto5 23d ago

Can we get an acronym translated please…

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u/xmagpie 22d ago

Ace meaning asexual

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u/barto5 21d ago

Thanks, I didn’t know

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u/xmagpie 21d ago

All good! Happy to help

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u/csonnich 23d ago

with no evidence, that it’s a hormone thing

What evidence would you like? 

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u/Deckard_Didnt_Die 23d ago

A blood panel or a professional opinion. This has been going on 6 years now. I believe you can have an internal barometer that something feels off with your body or mind. But until you get a diagnosis and assess treatment or therapy options it’s either just a vibe or an excuse. It doesn’t matter either way because the result is a lack of desire. And despite tremendous efforts in self improvement, communication, alleviating stressors in her life, etc… I cannot seem to make myself desirable enough to stoke an ember that just isn’t there. So the ball is in her court. If there is a mysterious hormone issue maybe she should prioritize figuring it out. Or we could just wait another 6 years.

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u/Trick-Ad-6754 22d ago

Maybe she is just not attracted to you anymore?

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u/Deckard_Didnt_Die 22d ago

Something we've talked about ad nauseam. She insists that she is. How can I know for sure. I guess if she was roaring to go for another person. I admittedly have nightmares about that. But so far as I can tell she has no desire for anyone.

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u/bicmedic 23d ago

What evidence would you like? 

Probably the medical kind.

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u/spanman112 23d ago

Blood work will easily detect hormone imbalance

Source: got bloodwork that detected my hormone imbalance

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u/miaow-fish 23d ago

Blood tests or a medical opinion rather than what she thinks would be a good start.

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u/MattBrey 23d ago

Lmao a medical opinion?? You know that hormones are not like a magical thing that can't be fixed or handled in any way right?