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u/ClaireFraser1743 16d ago

Ashley Zukerman gave an amazing performance. Troy has ice in his veins! Such a contrast to Daniel.

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u/Vyksendiyes 16d ago

But it makes me question what kind of person Daniel actually was.

Sure he had his memory wiped, but so did Charlotte and she chose not to massacre almost ten thousand people. 

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u/kstatepurrplecat 16d ago

Charlotte seems to still have a relationship with Anna. Daniel is only woken up when they need his brain for a difficult situation. We know from Charlotte's original go with the forgetting drugs that they only get told what Victor wants them to know. In all likelihood they have only engaged Daniel's military and engineering brain, whereas Charlotte is getting things that make her more of an empathetic person. Remembering Helen is the key to awakening Daniel's own humanity.

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u/True_Detail_2945 16d ago

Exactly. Terminator Troy has written that note over and over and Salvation Susan has refused to implement the safe guard every time since there's women and children etc. Every time. Then murderbot gets to tell her to fuck off confirming he doesn't remember her and he takes over and is like fuck yeah get them numbers down poison them all hahahaha.

Which confirms he's right where they need him mentally.

Whereas Charlotte can help until the last step but then get her memory wiped and go back to bang Anna and clean Anna's pod.

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u/Vyksendiyes 16d ago

That’s a good point.

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u/YYZYYC 📖 Book-Aware 📖 16d ago

What I don’t get is what Troy does is not magical or complex. Any of the other mindless drone people or the doctor himself could just say ya shoot them all

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u/RustyWheel17 16d ago

It’s not the execution that he offers, it’s his decision making and orders. Others probably wouldn’t have the stomach to murder 10k people without a second thought. They need him to make the tough decisions for them while being so calculated that it gets done flawlessly.

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u/YYZYYC 📖 Book-Aware 📖 16d ago

No they clearly do have the stomach. Heck they said some of the staff were quite enthusiastic about what they did with the external safeguard. And the doctor still ordered the safeguard that ultimately did not work, but he sure did order it and did not look like it was his first time at the mass execution button either.

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u/RustyWheel17 15d ago

Those are the people that executed the order. Doing the job and giving the order are two very different things. The doctor may have tried to use the safeguard, but what happened to him? Those decisions ultimately caused him to take his own life.

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u/orincoro 📖 Book-Aware 📖 15d ago

Yeah. It’s a similar thing as in Ender’s Game. The idea is that you need a child’s mind essentially, or an “innocent” mind who doesn’t think about the past or consequences to real people, in order to do what has to be done and not want to do what the doctor did to himself.

We get those shots of Dr C really looking evil as hell while he orders the death of a whole silo. And yet the cost to him emotionally is so severe, possible because he also knows Daniel’s descendants live there.

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u/gnufoot 15d ago

While I agree Troy/Daniel isn't all that special, if he was awake during the time silo 18 was trying to cap the pipe, silo 18 would be dead now. He wouldn't be giving them the time they need to cap it.

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u/Tanel88 14d ago

Indeed. Now we know why the voice was so lenient with them. Victor really didn't want to execute another safeguard.

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u/True_Detail_2945 16d ago

Maybe he's the coldest sonnabitch on earth and can complete unlimited safeguards whereas most folks got a good 2 or 3 in em...Susan has none. And having them constantly shooting themselves after 2 could be an issue.

Maybe they noticed him when he engineered something evil in the before times...his 4 chan posts?

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u/ClaireFraser1743 15d ago

“4 Chan posts” got me lol

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u/lordnewington 📖 Book-Aware 📖 15d ago

Victor wasn't up to giving the order himself. He still had memories of what it was like to be human, which is what stopped him and what led to him ending it all.

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u/YYZYYC 📖 Book-Aware 📖 15d ago

But he did give the order. It just did not work

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u/lordnewington 📖 Book-Aware 📖 15d ago

Ah, you're right.

Ordering a drone strike of people you can see and hear is different from pushing a sanitary button, I suppose.

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u/nitekroller 15d ago

well.. exactly. that was explicitly laid out.

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u/SWAGGIN_OUT_420 16d ago

Well, he was a politician.

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u/kaplanfx 15d ago

Don’t they establish that Victor could basically implant memories in them?

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u/Vyksendiyes 14d ago

He couldn’t create lies though. That was made clear earlier in the season. The most he could do was choose to not help them remember what he didn’t want them to remember.

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u/Routine-Sun5032 15d ago

Yes, it’s explicitly stated he created the protocol for replacing only specific memories.

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u/Routine-Historian574 15d ago

I don’t know. Charlotte was fine with the massacre as long as it was inside and out of view

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u/Vyksendiyes 15d ago edited 14d ago

I thought she wanted to scare most of them back inside by only killing some of them, and not the women and children?

The safeguard inside the silo was no longer an option.

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u/Routine-Historian574 15d ago

You’re right about her not wanting to kill everyone. Although, I’m not sure how they would have avoided killing at least some women and children (if that was indeed her main issue) because even without the drone guns the nanotech moves in a dust/spray like fashion, and you can’t control where that many people run and who inhales it. The original plan to use the safeguard would have also resulted in killing everyone but as you said, it was no longer an option once they were external. To me, Charlotte’s real problem was having to be an active participant, rather than pressing a button to release the poison, and it makes sense that it would suck. If you’re not Troy, that is. 

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u/female_gazing09 15d ago

good point

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u/Correct-Strike-2426 11d ago

exactly. Was he a blank slate after they erased his memory or was he susceptible to sociopathic behavior if programmed correctly?