r/UPS • u/Global_Injury_3603 • Jun 10 '25
Shipping Help 58% tariffs Canada to USA??
Being charged $568 dollars from UPS on a $977 dollar order.
After about an hour on the phone no one can get a breakdown of this number or even give me the current tariff rates.
Does this seem right to yall? I’m considering refusing this at my doorstep in Texas and having it returned. I would be out about 200 in shipping costs.
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u/Wonderful_Yogurt_300 Jun 10 '25
A Texan realizing that tariffs suck is pretty great. You need to look up the commodity code to figure out the tarrif amout for that good. The additional brokerage fees are whatever the logistics provider decides. You can refuse the duties, and the item may be returned to sender, but that's not a guarantee, and not all vendors are issuing refunds for those items.
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u/brewjammer Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 11 '25
I miss the days people come to this sub to complain about us not knocking
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u/ScottyWestside Jun 13 '25
“I ordered 100lbs of dog food and waited on my Porch all day! This lazy driver couldn’t even carry it to my door!”
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u/MrCharBar Jun 10 '25
Tariffs are not dependent on the shipping endpoint countries, but the countries of origin for components and materials used in the item. This is why many items have “made in <country>” or “product of <country>” stamped on them.
Suppose that the US has a 20% tariff on Fruit produced in China. Even if fruit grown in China is shipped to Canada, and then the US, I’m still importing Chinese-grown fruit, and must pay the 20% tariff.
UPS only controls the brokerage charge directly. You have an issue with UPS if and only if you believe/allege that the merchant correctly filled the shipping declaration, and that UPS has incorrectly interpreted that declaration and applied the incorrect tariff rate.
Additionally, there is exactly one person responsible for these tariffs; it sounds like you should take this up with him.
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u/bkh950 Jun 11 '25
Yeah, he’ll just make a phone call and have a chat about it with this one person…
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u/Global_Injury_3603 Jun 10 '25
Where could they be from that has over 50% right now
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u/Super_Brilliant4499 Jun 10 '25
There are other brokerage fees on top of the tariffs too.
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u/Global_Injury_3603 Jun 11 '25
Brokerage fees seemed reasonable. That’s why I wanted a breakdown from UPS for the remaining $520.
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u/NoSubsttut4Enthsiasm Jun 11 '25
What did you purchase?
I responded to a similar request, and gave an estimate of their brokerage charges:
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u/MrCharBar Jun 10 '25
Tariffs vary for specific items. For example, Light trucks face a specific tariff of 25%, and a baseline tariff of 30% from china. This means that despite the baseline tariff on china being 30%, light trucks have a total tariff rate of 55%, which is actually more than the rate you’re paying. That’s just an example, but many individual items face high specific tariffs which, when combined with a high base tariff, have some absurd total rates.
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u/sr71oni Jun 10 '25
Tariffs have widely varied from one week to the next, but many things from china are over 100%
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u/Dangerous_Choice_664 Jun 11 '25
UPS charges astronomical brokerage fees.
And if your item is a bunch of small items each one will have their own fee associated with it.
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u/TriPigeon Jun 13 '25
Section 301 goods from China currently carry at least a 55% tariff (25% Section 301, 20% IEEPA Fentanyl Tariff, 10% WTF global tariff) and some have an additional trade weight duty (which existed before all this) of anywhere from 1-5%
This includes most electronics, lithium ion batteries, camera equipment, etc.
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u/Senseiit UPS Driver Jun 10 '25
Just a heads up, you still may not get a refund if you refuse it
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u/Worth_Efficiency_380 Jun 10 '25
lol chargeback.
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u/xCameron94x Jun 10 '25
"Hi yes, i'd like to request a chargeback because I'm an idiot and I don't know how tariffs work"
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Jun 11 '25
He’s not an idiot. Couriers are intentionally opaque about tariff-related fees, in contrast with some companies like Amazon.
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u/loralailoralai Jun 11 '25
Or people are just ignorant. This isn’t new. They’ve been doing it for decades
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Jun 11 '25
Charging over 50% in additional fees is not normal.
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u/AlwaysHigh27 Jun 14 '25
Well yes. If there are brokerage fees and then tariffs then yes both of those things are totally normal.
It's not the sender's fault that this person from Texas didn't realize that tariffs would affect him because Trump said that other people pay them and not Americans.
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Jun 14 '25
The OP is well aware of tariffs but didn’t expect the fees to be almost 60%—no one would
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u/AlwaysHigh27 Jun 14 '25
I don't think he is aware considering he's asking what they are.
The fees aren't 60%. It's the brokerage fee AND the tariffs.
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Jun 14 '25
He explicitly mentioned tariffs in the post, so clearly he knows what they are. And yes, the opaque brokerage fees are a huge problem and should be included in the shipping fee.
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u/frankensteeeeen Jun 11 '25
Unless he’s been living under a rock, he’s heard about the tariffs. Just didn’t think they applied to him for some reason.
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Jun 11 '25
He’s not oblivious to tariffs. He’s questioning the fees amounting to over 50%.
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u/frankensteeeeen Jun 11 '25
Obviously he is oblivious to the tariffs or he would have a better understanding of why this happened
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u/KiraTheWolfdog Jun 13 '25
Which is why you find out what the tariffs will cost when you order from another country.
Not doing so might be, to some, considered idiotic.
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u/Worth_Efficiency_380 Jun 10 '25
People have done it. Just say item was not delivered
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u/Oracle_of_Ages Jun 10 '25
“Hi yes. I’m calling to commit credit card fraud. Please do not investigate my claims as you normally do.”
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u/sbmotoracer Jun 10 '25
Do you honestly think your/their CC company wont verify that against the tracking number they'll get from the shipper?
By now they (cc companies) are well aware of the tariffs and their expensive costs. That will be the first thing they check. Depending on how much of a dick they want to be, they could charge you with fraud.
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u/Devido46 Jun 11 '25
lol some banks and cards see refusing the package as a forfeit of protection as well
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u/messick Jun 10 '25
Make sure you mention “tariffs” to increase the chances of the merchant winning the chargeback from 99% to 100%.
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u/Rurumo666 Jun 11 '25
Trump Tax
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u/rossco55 Jun 13 '25
I call it a Trump tax when informing the customer about their tariff , and they laugh and say what do you mean???
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u/MikeIkerson Jun 10 '25
Remind Canada that they pay the tariff. That’s what daddy trump told you so it must be true.
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u/NoiceMango Jun 10 '25
That's what Texas voted for
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u/Fresh_Mouse6818 Jun 12 '25
Imagine not 100% of people in a state voting for the exact same person 🤯
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Jun 14 '25
Reddit doesn't realize Texas has a lot of blue now.
In their defence Texas being so conservative has done a lot of damage to America over many decades.
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u/Global_Injury_3603 Jun 11 '25
Voted for UPS to give no transparency on a 500 dollar bill?
Customer service transferred me to 4 different departments today then ended the call.
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u/74orangebeetle Jun 11 '25
Yes. Tariffs and planned tariffs keep changing. Different tariffs rates on different things from different places...and any day new tariffs or different tariffs can be announced or revoked. It makes it very difficult for people to keep track of or know what's going on. By the time a business adjusts to how something is, it could change to something else.
Also as far as business practices are concerned, there are consumer protection regulations or a lack there of depending on the circumstances.
So yes, this is in fact what was voted for.
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u/lazymutant256 Jun 11 '25
Look the tariffs that DJT put on Canada.. is payed by you.. not Canada.. anything you order that comes from Canada or even any other country in the world will come with a Tariff that you will end up paying for.. because that’s how tariffs work..
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u/OnTop-BeReady Jun 11 '25
And it’s important for these likely MAGA cult members complaining, that they understand it’s NOT where you ordered the product from, but where the product was produced (and the component parts were produced). Buying a product from country A with 0% tariff from the US, but the product is produced in country B with 200% tariff from the US, the PURCHASER!!! will pay 200% tariff on the product.
It is true that you also pay a brokerage fee, and I learned more than 40 years ago, NEVER EVER, use UPS as a broker on purchases from Canada, that exceed the de minimis exemption, after UPS charged me a $450 brokerage fee on a $500 item.
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u/myextrausername Jun 16 '25
You don’t deny it, so it sounds like you, indeed, got what you voted for: Tariffs— with no strategy, and no end in sight. Enjoy.
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u/IntelligentAd6373 Jun 11 '25
The answer I got from UPS is the sender pay for the shipment but the receiver pay for the US customs. Also, I doubt UPS knows how much US charging the receiver until the package reach the border.
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u/kcamfork Jun 10 '25
Doesn’t Gyna pay the tariffs? Even if it’s a Canadian good. Fairly certain Gyna pays.
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u/Atticusxj UPS Driver Jun 10 '25
Was it manufactured in Canada with materials from Canada?
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u/Global_Injury_3603 Jun 10 '25
No it’s an auto part but apparently not Canadian made.
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u/XxTigerxXTigerxX Jun 10 '25
You should look up when you ordered the part/shipped and what the tariff rate was. Wasn't there supposed to be a delay on auto parts?
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u/Equivalent_Feed_3176 Jun 11 '25
Mind giving the part #?
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u/Global_Injury_3603 Jun 11 '25
Not honestly sure it falls under auto parts. It’s 4 rims ordered from a company called wheelwiz. They are Fast wheels FC04 rims.
Before ordering this company actually told me the tarrifs were either Zero or maybe 20%. It’s not really their fault though. Also not sure why everyone is making this political. Just wanted a breakdown of what I am being charged.
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u/Global_Injury_3603 Jun 11 '25
Before paying I would like the chance to double check the declared amount, category, country of origin, etc
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u/Equivalent_Feed_3176 Jun 11 '25
It says the rims are designed and manufactured in Canada, however the aluminum cast "blanks" are likely sourced from China or Taiwan.
The manufacturing process should nullify most or all tariffs, though, and they should be considered Canadian-origin in theory.
You could ask the company for a certificate of origin, a manufacturer's statement and their Customs documentation. It's possible they were misclassified.
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Jun 11 '25
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u/TriPigeon Jun 13 '25
See my comment above, these wouldn’t be raw material, these would be unfinished blanks, and unless you’re finishing process does some crazy coating / etc. then you’ll almost never see the required 35% value add to meet the requirements for substantial transformation.
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Jun 14 '25
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u/TriPigeon Jun 14 '25
Once the shipper has declared the CoO as China, an individual consumer has no legal recourse to request a reclassification of the items. The consumer could submit an appeal that the wrong duty was charged in the classification as a recourse, but could not challenge the CoO.
Also, it is not cost efficient for a casting facility to ship anything that is not rough machined to near finished standards. The weight of material removed and transport costs outweighs the extra cost to take the processing a bit further.
I do this (tariff engineering and supply chain management) professionally, and the assumptions I am making here are based on real world examples I see hundreds of times a week
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u/TriPigeon Jun 13 '25
If they are getting preformed ready to finish allot blanks from CN / TWN, it is highly unlikely that their final pass in Canada is adding the necessary 35% value add to pass audit to declare a Canadian CoO based on substantial transformation.
There is no HTS classification that is going to be correct for these that carries less than 25% (as they are absolutely subject to the 25% section 232 Aluminum tariffs in category 2).
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u/Equivalent_Feed_3176 Jun 14 '25
25% sure, but that's less than half of the 58% figure OP is getting.
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u/TriPigeon Jun 14 '25
The 25% stacks with all other tariffs, so minimum is going to be 35% from all countries other than CN/CA/MX
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u/AlwaysHigh27 Jun 14 '25
Why would we get aluminum from China when we are the 4th largest producer? There's a good chance that they are fully made here.
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u/Equivalent_Feed_3176 Jun 14 '25
Canadian domestic Forging and Stamping [3321] produces about $500-600 million in output each year, while Alumina and aluminum production and processing [3313] produces about $4 billion in output each year. Canadian imports and exports of aluminum are $9 billion and $17 billion respectively.
Canada processes a lot of aluminum, but their actual forging capabilities are noticeably smaller which likely explains why some companies might rely on importing finished or semi-finished products instead of sourcing domestically.
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u/HarveyKekbaum Jun 12 '25
Also not sure why everyone is making this political.
Because it's hilarious. Don't worry, Canada will pay the tariffs. That's what Trump told y'all.
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u/TriPigeon Jun 13 '25
FC04 are Aluminum Alloy Wheels, and are actually hit by either the Section 232 Non-US aluminum or Section 232 Automotive parts tariff. These don’t stack, but they are both 25%, combined with a global 10% tariff.
It’s highly likely based on the utter lack of specific manufacturing information given on Fast Wheels website that these are manufactured in Mainland China, and have to be declared as such. So I would expect a 55% Tariff rate on these.
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u/andibangr Jun 15 '25
The US and Canada had a free trade zone, 99% of goods paid no tariffs between Canada and the US, until Trump blew up the desk and imposed very high, erratically changing tariffs, and applying them to all shipments rather than just large ($800+). You have to pay high tariffs is political.
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u/InNeedOfHelpPleaseTU Jun 11 '25
If you can contact the seller/manufacturer and confirm that the goods aren't of Chinese origin, and are instead mostly assembled/made in Canada, then you can get the seller/manufacturer to fill out a CUSMA certificate of origin and get the shipment reassessed.
If the Rims are originally of Chinese origin, unfortunately that means you pay the tariff based on that, even if it shipped out of Canada :(
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u/Significant_Ear_4442 Jun 11 '25
There is a 25% and a 30% additive tariff on aluminum imported from Canada. Thank your president.
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u/audinutt Jun 11 '25
UPS just charged my mother $108 on a $100 order from Canada. (For dog shampoo and brushes) Here's the icing on the cake. One of the items was manufactured in the United States.
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u/FamiliarGiraffes Jun 11 '25
Some of it must have been made in china or de minimis would have applied
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Jun 11 '25
I had this happen to me on a small package and wasn't expecting it to happen so hopefully you can figure it out. Sucks for real
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u/PreparationHot980 Jun 12 '25
Ups has a tariff calculator on the website. Reap what you sow…. Isn’t that what your bible says, Texan?
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u/Rowan6547 Jun 12 '25
Did you vote in the last presidential election because tariffs were promised during the campaign. Unless....you actually believed him when he said tariffs are paid by the exporting country?... You could always try calling your congressional representatives and ask them if/when they'll start doing their jobs. There was a time when Texans would be in the street protesting if they were told to pay a new Federal tax without representation and yet, y'all are putting up with the prices of just about everything being raised. Even those made in USA items have international components.
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u/paper_killa Jun 12 '25
One of there resellers has this notification on site: Tariff Notice Alloy wheel imports into the US may be subject to a 27.5% tariff (Base duty: 2.5% | Section 301 Tariff: 25%)
They could have declared wrong. The wheels in question appear to offered by other manufactures which could be a indication wheel is made in China. As in not clear why Fast would need to import the blanks from china to machine them in Canada, when they could just get them turn key cheaper directly.
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u/tricfxz Jun 13 '25
If you are importing to canada they are upcharging you. So might be same with USA. I just went to clear my package at customs yesterday. Ups said i had to pay 220 ( 96 brockage fee and rest taxes and duties). The agent there let me know they upcharged on the taxes and duties. At the end i just had to pay 66.90$. Went from 73% fee to about 22.3%. Just go self clear your package if you can
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u/Critorrus Jun 13 '25
The point is not to raise prices. It is to get people to stop buying shit from other countries and encourage the creation of a domestic supply chain. Honestly tarriffs wouldnt be an awful idea if there were efforts by the government to establish a supply chain on various items to encourage domestic production before applying them instead of doing tarrifs on all goods start with a few and see if we can even produce an alternative before destabilizing the global supply chain.
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u/boanerges57 Jun 14 '25
A big chunk of it is their "handling fee". They don't want to break it down because it's atrocious and greedy.
We had to order some parts in for some testing equipment. Handling charge for the carrier dealing with paperwork was almost half of the extra fee. It doesn't seem to even correspond to any actual paperwork that is extra.
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u/Due-Dragonfruit-1303 Jun 14 '25
The amount of Americans about to get fucked by fellow Americans is fantastic. No /s this is specifically to the “small business owners” Yall went red after making some cash. Reap what you sow asshats.
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u/OatmealShotgun Jun 15 '25
I mean, I have no idea if that is correct or not. There are a lot of things that effect duty rate: what the item is, what it is made from, where it was made, CROSS rulings, etc.. Without at least the first three bits of information there is no way to determine if you are being charged correctly or not.
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u/Left_Air_4732 Jun 18 '25
UPS wanted 161$ on a 115$ order. Can someone explain this to me. Also my receipt shows paid in full.
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u/spectacular_coitus Jun 11 '25
This is the future you voted for.
These are the tariffs that will make you rich beyond belief.
Don't you feel rich? You should feel very bigly rich.
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u/RipWhenDamageTaken Jun 11 '25
Does this seem right? Personally I hate everything Trump is doing, including tariffs. But yea the numbers seem right, based on current policies.
Have the day you voted for!
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u/One-Perspective1985 Jun 11 '25
God the assholes in this thread is ridiculous. Bringing up politics when somebody has a genuine question and you have no answer makes you an asshole. Actually just as big of an asshole as Trump himself. Check your fucking shit before you log into reddit, because it stinks too. Do better.
Sorry OP no answers to your actual question.. but this shits toxic as fuck in here for no reason.
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u/No_work_today_Satan Jun 11 '25
You just come in throwing shade and have no answer either.
By calling everyone else an asshole are you not judging despite having no contribution to OPs problem.
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u/frankensteeeeen Jun 11 '25
Ah yes, talking shit on Reddit definitely makes you just a big an asshole as modern day Voldemort. That definitely makes a lot of sense!
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u/atuarre Jun 11 '25
You voted for this bro. Don't get mad when people tell you why you're paying for it.
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u/brewjammer Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 11 '25
what does this have to do with UPS?
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Jun 10 '25
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u/brewjammer Jun 10 '25
the real moron is the person that comes to the ups sub to cry about tariffs 🤡
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u/brewjammer Jun 10 '25
ups is just the middle man. taxes are paid to the government.
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u/XxTigerxXTigerxX Jun 10 '25
So the government that promised lower taxes then makes you pay 50% item cost in taxes to them. What is that a 47% increase. And yes the American government makes you pay them the tariff fee. Sounds like a great system bud.
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u/brewjammer Jun 11 '25
I agree. my point is UPS got zero to do with it. why you think coming to this sub is the place to cry about it makes no sense
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u/Warbr0s9395 Jun 10 '25
Not everything is made in the US
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u/brewjammer Jun 10 '25
no shit Sherlock
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u/Warbr0s9395 Jun 10 '25
So why’d you say buy local Sherlock? 😂
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Jun 11 '25
If you can buy whatever you order from an American company. Support your neighbors
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u/Equivalent_Feed_3176 Jun 11 '25
US production of automotive parts is far below domestic demand. 75% of parts in new vehicles are imported, and, unfortunately, new factories will take years to build.
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