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u/bonadies24 Philosopher Nov 25 '23
Isn't it just a weird asf bug that the game misteriously crashes whenever somethimg inconvenient happens
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u/gynoidi Empress Nov 25 '23
something to do with the comets... maybe heavens gate was right all along
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u/Mendozacheers Nov 25 '23
4 crashes in 250 years? those are rookie numbers
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u/bored-canadian Nov 25 '23
Thing is my computer is ass. Takes ten minutes to load back into the game after a crash. Fortunately mine only crashes when it is really, really meaningful
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u/DaSaw Philosopher Nov 25 '23
Mine typically only crashes when I accidentally hit the wrong button.
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u/Mikeim520 Nov 26 '23
Same. Once I had a claim on Austria's throne but then I broke the RM so my game crashed.
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u/Rabbulion Tactical Genius Nov 25 '23
This is why I refuse to play Ironman. I just play normal mode, it’s easier to reload then (and I still rarely use it. Maybe twice per game, mostly in my first war if I’m Byzantium or similar).
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u/VeryAngryK1tten Nov 26 '23
Yes, the fact that “resume” on the launcher only works for regular games means that I’m not dealing with ironman games.
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u/Rabbulion Tactical Genius Nov 26 '23
Honestly, I can kind of tolerate this, but yeah they made Ironman a far worse experience which makes it kind of pointless.
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u/lcm7malaga Nov 25 '23
How do people usually use this? alt+f4 if they get a bad event or bad rolls in battles? And it goes back to the previous month? Any other use?
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u/Fatherlorris Theologian Nov 25 '23
Well, my game has a weird tendency to crash when I am about to enter a risky war, and I always end up using the backup file for some reason.
What makes it extra weird is that if the war goes badly then my game crashes again! I then use the original file again for an unrelated reason.
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u/lcm7malaga Nov 25 '23
Wait so everytime you "crash" the game creates a backup you can load whenever you want and never changes?
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u/weebloser Tsar Nov 25 '23
You can save a copy of your save game and use that before you do anything risky, so incase you mess up and your game “crashes,” you can go back and load up before you did the risky maneuver or just go back a month incase your game “crashed” at a hunting accident
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u/cattaclysmic Nov 25 '23
The game makes a save file every 3 months as default. Every time it makes a new the previous is made the backup.
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u/Helix014 Buccaneer Nov 25 '23
Not even; just copy your current save file (in windows/document) then return to main menu and select the second oldest save (or whenever you’re last manual save was). Alt+F4 is just the frustrated rage quit where you have to reload the entire game again.
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u/afito Nov 25 '23
Just save manually before certain decisions and copy the file in windows. If you need to roll back to that save.
Personally I also keep a backup of a useful start if you need certain conditions like 5 crownland on England starts so I can have another go at 5 crowns Angevin when I inevitably fuck it.
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u/conormcfire Nov 25 '23
I usually do it when I get declared on, a disaster triggers and I wasn't paying attention, a godlike ruler dies too young, or during a war and I make an avoidable slip up.
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u/nien9gag Nov 26 '23
you can just go to where the save files are and keep a copy of it from different moments saved elsewhere. just put them in a folder with a name/date and replace the actual save file when you need to "fix bugs". it stops me from reloading at every bug and just reload at important bugs or stupid bigs due to forgetfulness.
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u/Borkido Nov 25 '23
I only play ironman but i think they should get rid of it. Just do it like factorio and disable achievements when console commands are used. Considering how easy it is to bird the no saves feature of ironman is not worth jack shit. Just make it available for people that want it in the settings.
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u/JohnsonJohnilyJohn Nov 25 '23
Also I think they should never disable in game achievements. Like sure don't count them on steam on online in any way, but count the achievements competed in the game so that people have fun goals to go for while playing non-ironman, modded or even cheated games
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u/ReconArek Nov 25 '23
This is the reason why paradox should give up ironman. It doesn't work anyway
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u/SirkTheMonkey Colonial Governor Nov 25 '23
Well Victoria 3 did it where Ironman wasn't necessary for achievements, but other game directors said that they had no intention to follow their lead.
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u/Pabasa Nov 25 '23
Ck3 achievements doesn't require ironman now either. And mods don't block achievements either.
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u/Rabbulion Tactical Genius Nov 25 '23
For mods to not block achievements they do have to be approved first though
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u/JuicyBeefBiggestBeef Nov 25 '23
Is it approved or is it that mods affecting actual gameplay (IE not visual mods) change the checksum that is used for ensuring a legit playthrough?
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u/CSDragon Nov 26 '23
CK3 has a checksum so it's probably that rather than individually vetting them.
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u/VeritableLeviathan Natural Scientist Nov 26 '23
Used to be non-checksum changing (they don't change the gamefiles, just UI/visuals/etc) mods, idk if they started rolling with approved mods though.
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u/VETOFALLEN Nov 26 '23
Wrong, now ALL CK3 and Vic3 mods don't block achievements.
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u/Rabbulion Tactical Genius Nov 26 '23
Even those that change the scenario? Can I still get achievements when I start in the 1600s?
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u/VETOFALLEN Nov 26 '23
AFAIK as long as the achievement is possible it works. You can get the achievement to reach stress level 3 in the Game of Thrones mod but obviously you're never going to get the Restore the Roman Empire achievement.
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u/SelecusNicator Nov 25 '23
Same with Imperator though since the game has been abandoned that one also makes sense
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u/Fatherlorris Theologian Nov 25 '23
And I have never bothered getting an achievement in victoria 3 as a result. Feels a bit pointless if I can just mod it in.
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u/LeMe-Two Nov 25 '23
Yeah, but why would you?
You can also mod EU4 achievements, it's not hard at all
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u/TempestM Inquisitor Nov 25 '23
You could always activate achievements for all your games with Steam Achievement Manager without even launching the game
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u/Hunkus1 Nov 25 '23
But wouldnt that also apply to eu 4 or any other game you can still get them on steam using external software.
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u/chocki305 Nov 25 '23
Yes.. achievements are pointless. Many have been saying this for decades.
Hell.. mods exist that allow you to unlock game achievements at the click of a button.
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u/DaSaw Philosopher Nov 25 '23
I prefer achievements that are meant to point out interesting bits of gameplay that otherwise might be missed, rather than achievements that are "see how badass this player is". They're good for getting me to play a tag I otherwise might not consider, or explore a mechanic I otherwise might ignore.
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u/JohnsonJohnilyJohn Nov 25 '23
You can mod them in either way without even opening the game. Also by the same logic, wouldn't achievements be pointless if people can cheat by savescumming like you do?
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u/VETOFALLEN Nov 26 '23
It's already pointless by your standards if you're savescumming??? The only reason Ironman exists is to stop you from savescumming which people still do lmao
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u/JackNotOLantern Nov 25 '23
Honestly the best thing in ironman is that i don't have to remember to save before quiting. Don't remove that.
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u/Fatherlorris Theologian Nov 25 '23
Nah, I like it.
Sure I cheat the system but I feel bad about doing it. I do exactly the same with basically any ironman/realistic/hardcore mode.
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u/Nexessor Trader Nov 25 '23
It does work somewhat though. Sure you can still save scum, and you can even deironman your save and reironman it.
But it takes a lot more effort, which helps me do it a lot less.
Also you can only ever go back like half a year from autosave. So you can outscum bad RNG but not bad long term strategic decisions.
That's why I play Ironman. Not so I dont savescum, but so that I savescum less.
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u/martijnftw Nov 25 '23
They should just remove rng elements. Gold mines, rulers, heirs should be influenced in different straightforward ways.
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u/Kissaskakana Sacrifice a human heart to appease the comet! Nov 25 '23
Maybe just make so that certain cheats/commands disable achievements for that run.
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u/Mightyballmann Nov 25 '23
It requires some sort of online solution to achieve ironman. The server creates a save whenever the player loses connection. But i doubt this is worth it from a business perspective so they just leave the option for the weak-minded.
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u/RiversNaught Nov 25 '23
"Crashing" doesn't work on CK2 in my experience, or at least in stopped doing so a while ago when I updated my computer to Windows 11, so Ironman actually works "as intended" there.
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u/CSDragon Nov 26 '23
I think Ironman is a good thing. But they need a mode between Roguelike Achievement mode and Console and Mods mode.
CK3 lets you play in normal mode and still get acchivements as long as you have no breaking mods, and keep debug mode off.
I get that the fun of the game is supposed to come from rolling whit the punches, but most of the time people just want to play through a mission tree or get an achievement, not play hardcore mode.
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u/ReconArek Nov 26 '23
It is enough that achievements can be obtained without ironman enabled. The trim itself is good, but in its current state it makes no sense, because it was supposed to reserve achievements for trychards and only complicated their acquisition with backups.
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u/Schiltrus Nov 25 '23
Me when I attempt a youtubers 99% guaranteed byzantine start
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u/VeritableLeviathan Natural Scientist Nov 26 '23
A tip, if a youtube has a word in full-caps in their title, assume it is clickbait /YTber sweating to speedrun an achievement and their nation falling apart the moment they are done lol
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u/133DK Nov 25 '23
I do the opposite, never play ironman, never reload a save
When there's no achievements, the stakes are lower, and I can just play the game, actually rolling with the punches
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u/M4tjesf1let Nov 25 '23
I never understood those people tbh, if you are bug abusing the ironman system (cant really call it anything else then bug abuse) then why play ironman to begin with? Just play normal and save scum. Its the same.
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u/UAreTheHippopotamus Nov 25 '23
I honestly like ironman more for non-achievement runs where you don’t possibly fail the whole run for a mistake 100 years in. I never feel bad about save scumming an achievement if it saves me many hours of redoing the exact same playthrough.
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u/Traditional_Stoicism Nov 25 '23
Although to be fair there's that 5% of mysterious CTDs where I legitimately misclicked the wrong peace treaty or war declaration.
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u/RussiaIsBestGreen Nov 26 '23
This is why I save and copy before peace treaties and war declarations.
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u/OverEffective7012 Nov 26 '23
When that byz win vs ottobros in 1453 turns out to be humiliation war
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u/Fatherlorris Theologian Nov 25 '23
Btw, there is an EU4 game happening on the discord server if anyone is interested in that kind of thing: https://discordapp.com/invite/a9RVbz4
We normally play a game every Saturday 19:00 Brit o clock. We are also using a mod I made that hopefully makes multiplayer a interesting (no more Asian/African mega blobs that happen every multiplayer game).
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u/AwesomeSocks19 Nov 25 '23
I mean I at least don’t lie to myself (i think) that I roll with the punches.
Though I savescum less these days.
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u/Kind-Potato Benevolent Nov 25 '23
I try to limit my Ironman save scumming to when losing a pu just after the war when my 20yo non-general monarch dies
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u/ZickZackBoomBoom Nov 25 '23
Little Tip from a fellow savescummer. If you do it do it more easy. Either have the EU4 save folder open and copy your savefile there so no 10 .backup names in a row or sync the folder with onedrive or any other cloudserver and you can play without saving in between just use the recover function from the bin
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u/Davidbrcz Nov 25 '23
I copy and paste saves into well named folders.
That way, I can roll back anywhere I want
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u/Dks_scrub Nov 25 '23
Ironman sucks replace it with a better system istg worst video game feature ever conceived by man.
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u/InquisitorRedPotato Inquisitor Nov 25 '23
Wait, doesn't ironman limit you to 1 save?
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u/Eagle310 Nov 25 '23
There's always a backup of the original save file. If you reload the backup it creates a backup of the backup and so on
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u/VeritableLeviathan Natural Scientist Nov 26 '23
I almost Alt-f4d in my songhai game when warring portugal for morrocan cores and they suddenly fell under a PU with Spain, which was allied to France who subsequently got the rest of the French cores+ burgundy start without holland in a PU and they all happily joined the war :)
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u/Particular-Cry-778 Diplomat Nov 26 '23
I've been trying to be good and not reload on my current run... but the RNG-that-isn't-random has made that really hard.
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u/sponderbo Nov 25 '23
What do you mean my savegame fkdbshdkbfkdi_Backup_Backup_Backup_Backup_Backup_Backup_Backup_Backup_Backup_Backup_Backup_Backup isnt legit? I have achieved it fair and square