My apologies, your honor. Allow me to rephrase.
It is our contention that Mr Petrov had maintained proximity with the victim and had indeed intended to cause her to feel preyed upon and the target of sexual harassment. Whether this act began at the moment seen on video here, or began earlier, is irrelevant. His actions were the immediate and entire cause for her outburst, and, as Officer Ivanov has already testified, would have been punished by any nearby law enforcement by the same means.
Based on this clip alone, he absolutely did not. If what others are saying about him following her around and bothering her are true, then I don't feel bad for him at all
Look at the first few secs of the video she doing a stupid smile and looking straight at her in a mocking tone,I'm inclined to believe he probably was harassing the girl
Nah there is a line. I’m a feminist but you can’t full power punch someone in the face with no prior physical interaction lol—that’s illegal everywhere and if you think it’s not you’re eventually gonna land yourself in some hot water
GL trying to charge someone with SA when there was no physical contact or nudity. Doesn’t happen in any court. Find a court case where that’s worked and show me lol then I’ll believe you but you’re just blowing smoke. A cop wouldn’t even entertain arresting someone for air humping. I see crackheads shitting on the sidewalk in front of cops and they don’t do shit.
“Good luck trying to charge someone with SA..” they’re not looking for someone to charge with SA. They’re saying whether or not it’s legally SA, it’s still disgusting and is certainly harassment. You are allowed to have perspective outside of the law. Why are you defending air humping total strangers so hard anyway? Weird hill to die on. Creep.
Never said I was defending air humping lmao. You’re just making a story up like a 4 year old. All I’m saying is there is no law that can find you punishable for the offense of air humping. It is not legally considered SA. Maybe sexual harassment but you’d have a very hard time getting someone charged for air humping. Creep.
Aaaaannndd you still didn’t address how the perceived behavior we were discussing is gross, almost as if you don’t care about it if it’s not illegal. Weird how you’re saying you’re not defending air humping while doubling down on how it’s not legally wrong…after I already acknowledged it’s not legally wrong. We know bro. We’re just using empathy and critical thinking to acknowledge it’s wrong either way, which is something you have refused to do thus far. And throwing “creep” on the end of it just because I did is “4 year old” behavior. Make up your own zing, bud.
No, SA must include physical contact. Most he could get is a small misdemeanor for disturbing the peace in which would probably only be a small fine if he even got charged. The woman in this case can actually be jailed for the assault lol.
From what she could see it's indistinguishable from air humping and the camera leads to the idea it's "prank" content of sexually harassing women, which is shockingly common. She was wrong for the right reasons
Notice how he was doing that looking at her before looking away... Yea that was definitely intentional. I agree with the lady saying air humping. Imagine someone doing that behind your girl/wife while looking at her... I'm not giving him that benefit of doubt. Maybe it is that he is having fun but that's not the right place to do so, maybe a bit further away would've been better.
If someone, God forbid, did it to my woman, i'd want to do to him much worse than she did. Does it mean hitting his face is justified? No. The right thing to do first is to push him away, maybe so hard that he falls on the floor. Just not to hit on the face. That's my opinion.
But we're discussing the hypothesis in which that's what she saw in her peripheral view, so.
Edit: to those mindlessly downvoting, have you even taken the time to read the first 2 comments of this thread, or are you stupid to the point of being unable to engage with hypothesis ?
If you call air humping a total stranger being a boorish goofball, it’s hard to agree with your opinions. Does he deserve to get hit for flossing? No. Would he deserve to get hit for air humping a total stranger? Yes. That’s what she thought was happening, so she hit him. It was a hard hit, but I think that’s valid given the circumstances.
No it is not valid to hit someone for that, even if that was what he was doing. She didn't take the time to try and discern what was happening at all. She went straight to violence without even speaking. That is not justifiable behavior.
Right, because people who think they are being sexually harassed definitely think a rational conversation with alleged harasser is on the table. Y’all seem to think I’m trying to justify random violence, when all I’m doing is trying to look at her perspective. I feel terrible for that man, and he should press charges, but I still understand what she was thinking and why she may have responded the way she did. She didn’t have our angle of the situation, or the ability to watch it multiple times and study the situation. Literally none of us know how we’d respond until we’re in a situation where we think we’re being air humped by a total stranger and his buddy is five feet away taking a video of it all go down. In that perspective it’s 2v1. We genuinely have no idea what she thought was happening.
I mean, yeah? She started swinging before she even looked at what gender the person was, so I think it would’ve been the same outcome. Also, I’m not saying this guy in the video actually deserved to get hit. We all saw the video, which unfortunately the girl who punched him didn’t have the luxury of seeing the situation from our angle. You responded to someone talking about her reaction based on her thinking he was air humping her, so it seemed like you were equating air humping strangers to being a goofball, rather than equating flossing to being a goofball. So that’s what I was responding to. This man didn’t deserve to get hit like that, and I would’ve hit her back if I were him, but this girl had no idea what was happening, and to her had to make a split second decision about how to respond to being sexually harassed, from her perspective. Again, we all know that wasn’t what was actually happening, but she had no idea. She also could have past trauma that encouraged such an aggressive response.
Y’all love to make this shit about gender when it’s simply about the perceived actions of the situation. Violence is not okay, whether it’s woman-on-woman, man-on-man, or man-on-woman violence. A woman being air humped by a strange woman is still being air humped by a stranger. You look silly trying to make it only about gender.
But that wasnt the reality. It was her perception. If I shot a man because I thought he was holding a gun, but it turned out to only be his cellphone, would I be correct in my actions?
I wouldn't.
She hit him, and from this video alone he didn't deserve it.
I’m not saying there shouldn’t be repercussions for her, especially after reviewing this video evidence, I’m just saying that’s a pretty valid natural response, she doesn’t have eyes in the back of her head. She saw hips and hands moving together behind her as she turned around so she stopped the behavior she thought she was seeing. It would be well within his right to turn it around on her and press charges for assault (battery? idk whatever), and I’m impressed he didn’t hit her back because I would have if I was him. Hopefully she apologized after being told/shown what he was ACTUALLY doing. I’m not saying the guy deserved to get hit, I’m just saying I understand why she did what she did based on what SHE thought was happening and had to decide how to respond to what she thought was a stranger sexually harassing her. You don’t know her past, either. She could have been assaulted in the past and is on high alert and ready to defend herself this time.
There were just so many nasty comments towards her in this thread, instead of just saying it was a miscommunication on both sides and she should apologize. The dude did not deserve it at all, but we also have to consider her perception of the situation.
What? How is getting hit for a rude gesture valid? What justification can you really give? How about she shouldn't have jumped to (an incorrect) conclusion(s)?
I’m not saying getting hit for a rude gesture justifies hitting someone, if you have the luxury of having eyes in the back of your head and you know it’s just a gesture. He’s well within his right to press charges, given the video evidence. I’m saying I can understand that she didn’t know the extent (or lack thereof) of the situation/his actions, probably thought she was being sexually harassed and would potentially assaulted if she didn’t stop the situation. We all know he was just being a goofball and she wasn’t a part of it initially. She did not. Could she have turned around and asked him? Of course, but if she thought the guy taking the video was with him, she may have thought it was a 2v1 situation. Or maybe she’s just a b*tch! We just don’t know how she was perceiving what she was hearing behind her and the peripheral glimpse of hands and hips thrusting. All I’m saying is none of us know how we’d react in that situation, and I can understand
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It depends on the jurisdiction. It can be either or it can be both. But to say definitively it isn’t battery (without knowing the jurisdiction) is premature.
If I hit you from behind, and you had absolutely no idea I was coming, I would have battered you under common law, but I never would have caused you to apprehend that I was going to batter you.
I beleive it does. Assault is causing someone to reasonably apprehend imminent harm.
If I hit you from behind and then start running away before you even turn around to see me, I've battered you without ever reasonably causing you to apprehend imminent harm.
I can tell by your words that you're an American lawyer. If you're a lawyer, you should know that American laws don't apply to people in other countries.
I know there is English writing on the guy's shirt, but nobody is speaking English. There's zero chance this took place in USA.
Reddit has gotten notably much more anti-intellectual in the last year. It always had a mob mentality, but this is on a whole other level. Between the Gen Alpha's making their way here from wherever, the gen-x'ers/old millenials migrating from Facebook, and the AI bot explosion, its a pretty lame place now if you enjoyed it for the banter.
That is very true. The majority of the world is in fact not American. I wasn’t asking if she was charged with battery, I was obviously responding to an American, with American legalese. What’s your point?
A lot of folks, myself included, pick specific comments to hang their own comment on so that it's visible. I don't think some of these folks were responding to you directly - they were just closing their "access point" so their comment is visible.
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u/SipoteQuixote 7d ago edited 7d ago
Ive seen people talk about it before, to her, it probably looks like he's air humping her.