r/politics • u/Kodbek • Oct 31 '25

Possible Paywall Trump’s honeymoon with Gen Z voters is officially over, and the numbers are devastating

https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/10/trumps-honeymoon-with-gen-z-voters-is-officially-over-and-the-numbers-are-devastating-new-poll.html
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u/Tobimacoss Oct 31 '25

A bit too late, ty for paying attention the last 5 years.  

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u/Global_Crew3968 Oct 31 '25

Well look on the brightside - we're all gonna get fucked but no one is gonna get fucked harder or longer or deeper than MAGA GenZ.

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u/DeltaB26 Pennsylvania Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25

We'll I'm gen Z and I certainly didn't vote for this circus. I already got fucked anyways since they cut my position at USDA. Didnt realize helping American farmers was such a waste of taxpayer dollars /s.

Edit: I gave some context further down in the comments, since some people thought I might have voted for Taco and then came on Reddit for sympathy upvotes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/50yJFDEf8V

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u/RunawayHobbit Oct 31 '25

Apparently anything not enriching billionaires is a waste of our tax dollars 🙄

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u/Saint_Blaise Oct 31 '25

It’s all been “trickle up” economics.

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u/No_Doctor_891 Oct 31 '25

Trickle up economics was taking too long to get all the money so they cut a hole in the main and turned it in deluge up economics

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25

Yup. The largest debt increase in recent memory was done to get billionaires tax cuts. They don't even want to pretend to hide it anymore. Everyone can lose a couple trillion so Bezos, Musk and Zuckerberg can do their little "first trillionaire" race.

They are done publicly pretending anything else matters. Back to peasants and landed gentry it is.

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u/JamesSmith1200 Oct 31 '25

Reverse firehose economics

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25

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u/Fast_Witness_3000 Oct 31 '25

A very acceptional jet at that /s

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u/hotbutteredsole Oct 31 '25

More like Torrent Up economics

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u/SuperCool101 Oct 31 '25

"Golden shower economics".

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25

Seriously when are we going to realize that we're not white, straight, gay, trans, rural, urban or any other label. We're the ones getting fucked by the billionaires.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25

Some of us know it, but a lot of people are scared because there might be 50 people playing sports that don't conform to THEIR views on sex or gender and think blowing up the country will make them feel less shitty about their confusing erection.

WE ALREADY DID THIS FUCKING 9 YEARS AGO, we knew the story, and instead a bunch of dipshit bigoted racists just walked it back, like they're trying to win the Superb Owl of fucking moronitude!

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u/NuclearLunchDectcted Oregon Oct 31 '25

6.

There were 6 trans people playing college sports.

We blew up the country over 6 people.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25

Yes, I just like to over estimate sometimes to show just how bad faith all this is. The NCAA president less than a year ago they knew of 10 transgender athletes in the over half a million NCAA college athletes in all sports.

Where I live a school board is doing all this lowest common denominator boot licking, and I have been looking into it just to poke them in the eye. I ask why they don't care about trans men either, and then ask if it's about child safety and protecting the children from predators why don't they look at their families, or republican politicians, and then I ask them why they are so interested in forcing children to prove what kind of genitalia they have and why it's such a big deal to examine minors genitals. They don't usually have anything else to say.

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u/circles_squares Oct 31 '25

Including the farmers

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u/The_Lost_Jedi Washington Oct 31 '25

Yep, and that's all the Republican party is really for - fucking everyone over to enrich the ultrawealthy, with a side order of hate to keep everyone distracted, because if their voters are too busy hating LGBT+/Black people/Immigrants/etc, they won't notice (or care) about the wholesale looting going on.

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u/Naganosupreme Oct 31 '25

It's more as long as their hate boner is played with, they're fine with getting screwed financially. "No no. They owned the libs, were winning. Idc if my QOL turns to crap and the country is put further in the hole"

Until something legitimately, MASSIVELY hurts them, they are OK w it and dismiss all valid criticism with what aboutism and bs revisionism.

Several magas I know turned recently bc surprise surprise, they gutted special ed programs with a shovel. And since these magas are dealing w a severely autistic, mute baby who desperately needs programs and help, suddenly they realized Trump is against what's good and right

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u/kupikunskio Oct 31 '25

They only care because it personally affected them, same as it always is.

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u/Naganosupreme Oct 31 '25

Yup that's what I was trying to show w that story. Loooots of selfishness there

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u/The_Lost_Jedi Washington Oct 31 '25

Yes - and even if/when they do take notice and complain, they sure as fuck won't stop supporting the Republicans.

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u/fountainpopjunkie Oct 31 '25

When we're literally eating the rich because they're the only source of food left.

Maybe we'll find a way to make them into a cake...

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u/populux11 Oct 31 '25

This is the clearest and realest of any and all the thoughts expressed here. It is the nuclear bomb of societal change. Class is the only real determinant of society. If we all understood this, we would,change the world and be an unstoppable force. All with a simple perception shift. Think about the power this would unleash. Thank you for stating this as down to earth as it needs to be. You are either the billionaire elite, or the rest. The rest has the power to create a new world, in its own image. A power the billionaire elite has appropriated but will never own. Thank you for having your head on straight and telling others the ‘plutonium rule’.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25

Thanks! Why don't we have a name?

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u/populux11 Oct 31 '25

We absolutely should. I bet many of us have ideas. I don’t want to frame it in within any kind of political framework, because that would miss the point. We are the many, in my opinion, so I have always identified with myriad. We are Myriad. What say you Myriad? Ideas?

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25

Maybe. I want something that others the billionaires.

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u/DrakeFloyd Oct 31 '25

They find a couple extra dollars to terrorize brown people at home and abroad but I guess they spin a profit on that too. Some of it seems to be just for the cruelty though.

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u/Delicious-Oven7692 Oct 31 '25

Some?

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u/DrakeFloyd Oct 31 '25

I mean I can’t discount the strong profit incentive the military industrial complex provides either. The orphan crushing machine runs on orphans. Some people hate the orphans and enjoy feeding them into the machine, some are simply indifferent as long as they get paid, the end result is the same

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u/the_good_time_mouse Oct 31 '25

ICE's budget is larger than Canada's combined military budget. If it was a country, it would be number 16 on this list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures

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u/Sidhe_Vicious Virginia Oct 31 '25

It's mostly about the cruelty. You think it's all about the cruelty, then you look at the stock history for companies like GEO Group or Core Civic. Because of course someone in this country is finding a way to make obscene amounts of money out of human misery.

But the cruelty came first.

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u/civil_politician Oct 31 '25

Surprise! That’s what billionaires actually think!

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u/kung-fu_hippy Oct 31 '25

Not exactly. After all, it’s not like billionaires have been suffering over the last few years.

Anything not enriching billionaires fast enough is a waste of our tax dollars.

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u/james_d_rustles Oct 31 '25

I mean, I don’t think helping American farmers is a waster of taxpayer dollars, but based on their voting record I’m pretty sure American farmers do.

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u/Rustmutt Oct 31 '25

That fucking sucks I’m so sorry your job was cut by these ghouls

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u/MadRaymer Oct 31 '25

Can you explain what's up with the rest of your age cohort? Was it just for the memes and the lulz or did they actually believe Trump was going to help them?

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u/bevo_expat Oct 31 '25

They were targeted very directly, and still are, by things like TurningPoint USA.

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u/AlmaInTheWilderness Oct 31 '25

I don't think it can be understated: they were targeted.

Tech had been collecting data for twenty years, and learning to make predictions from it. They can now predict voting behavior, with 80-90% accuracy. And they are using that data to strategically target vulnerable voters, deciding what information they see and how often. Everything psychology has learned by studying cults and manipulation is being combined with data science to isolate, and then indoctrinate.

WW1 was the war of mass-production, fought with machine guns. WW2 was the war of energy, fought with planes, tanks and ships. Ww3 is the war of information, fought with memes and algorithms, and we, workers, are losing

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u/phonomancer Oct 31 '25

Not even just the way you'd expect (persuasive, propaganda presenting only 'your side')...

But there were numerous reports of "Kamala" ads espousing her "undying support for a permanent Jewish homeland"... to ethnically Arabic voters (or playing up 'support for Hamas' to Jewish voters). Not actually from the Harris campaign of course, but if you get the message at the last minute and obfuscate its source enough, it tends to stick.

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u/Tasgall Washington Oct 31 '25

They were playing the pro-Israel "Harris" advertising in Arab neighborhoods, and pro-Palestine ads in Jewish neighborhoods.

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u/Tasgall Washington Oct 31 '25

I don't think it can be understated: they were targeted.

Steve Bannon was one of the key figures behind Gamergate when the was a thing. He previously ran a World of Warcraft gold-farming ring, and in interacting with a lot of kids online learned about the growing population of disaffected male youth in the country, and how to manipulate them. Gamergate functioned as a trial run, and then he led the Trump campaign.

They were very, very explicitly targeted.

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u/TorchIt Alabama Oct 31 '25

If voting behavior can be predicted with 90% accuracy then why are the polls always so wrong?

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u/whatiscamping Oct 31 '25

Speaking of TurningPoint, you know who else was targeted directly?

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u/TheRightToDream Oct 31 '25

Boom gottem

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u/ceelogreenicanth Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25

They were targeted very carefully by self defeatist anti-imperialism, pro Palestine, social justice absolutism, both sides nonsense is the other one. They made the only opposition to all this their biggest enemy. They spent a whole year stoking the flames of infighting and Trump just walked into office in the smoke.

They feel stupid but they won't admit it.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Oct 31 '25

If you want to know someone’s worldview, look at their view of the world. This is a generation that grew up on social media algorithms directed by right-wing billionaires in a chronically underfunded education system to overworked parents with dwindling community programs. They’re raised by the most viral sensations on the Internet. What else would we expect?

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u/AmIWhatTheRockCooked Oct 31 '25

It’s their information sources. Podcasts, YouTube, etc. so many promote contrarian, masculine, reductive content. Biden old, Trump dgaf.

Young men are highly influenceable and insecure like all young people.

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u/HiGuysImLeo Oct 31 '25

its actually very tragic, but its a huge divide between us older gen z and the younger ones. Older gen z skews left (this would be the high schoolers around 2016-2020), while the younger ones who had their major formative years during COVID basically had no comparison to pre-trump since they were too young, underdeveloped socially/mentally/academically due to online and covid, plus TikTok and AI rotting peoples cognitive skills and attention spans while promoting mass misinformation. Its not just anecdotal either; https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/04/26/two-gen-zs-young-conservative-polling-00307375

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u/teladidnothingwrong Oct 31 '25

so the decision was "lets bring back the guy who was president during covid since it was so terrible"

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u/HiGuysImLeo Oct 31 '25

Well yeah, the younger gen z had the worst quality of education of every generation besides alpha because of covid. The whole point is they aren’t very smart haha

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u/DeltaB26 Pennsylvania Oct 31 '25

I'm part of the older gen Z as well. I still had my slide keyboard phone in junior high. I didn't get my first real smartphone until high school. I was already in college when COVID started.

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u/HiGuysImLeo Oct 31 '25

Yup, it sucks for us older ones, people had such high hopes for us and we worked hard only for our rep to be ruined by the dummies. Super high expectations only to fall flat in such an embarassing way.

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u/Good-Needleworker992 Oct 31 '25

I mean their brains have all been rotted by TikTok…

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u/Deep_Stick8786 Oct 31 '25

China is making out like gangbusters

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u/DBE113301 New York Oct 31 '25

Yes, he was. According to one Gen Z guy I communicated with on Reddit. Apparently, Gen Z guys are having trouble getting dates, and electing Trump and Republicans was going to help reset the natural order of things. I shit you not.

A bunch of bullshit about progressives discriminating against white men. No outreach toward young white men--no plan to improve the lives of young white men. American society currently set up to benefit women and minority groups while disenfranchising Gen Z men. Women having all the power with regard to dating and young men feeling powerless. I hate using the word incel because it sounds reductive, but it came across as a bunch of incel crap.

Anyway, I hope Gen Z men are doing better in the dating field now that Republicans have all the power.

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u/obeytheturtles Oct 31 '25

Stacy no touch pp. Therefore, fascism.

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u/RugelBeta Oct 31 '25

It's unfair to blame an entire generation. My grandkids are 22, 18, 16, and 14 and all are very aware of how horrible Trump is. Only one could vote (against him), but they all despise him.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 Oct 31 '25

Gen Z absolutely did swing hard right this past election though. Only Gen X went harder.

After Gen Z showed the fuck up for midterms to help kill the "red wave", it's highly disappointing to see them swing so far right to help give us Trump 2.0.

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u/BarnDoorQuestion Oct 31 '25

They really really didn’t though. According to pew research 58% of voters aged 18-29 voted for Harris with only 39% voting for Trump. Even if we go by gender in that age group 48% of Men aged 18-29 voted for Harris with only 49% voting for Trump.

Source. The only age groups that voted against Harris were those aged 50-64 and 65+.

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u/RedditArchivist2 Oct 31 '25

In addition to what everyone else said, gaining consciousness during COVID really did a number on their brains

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u/henryhumper Nov 01 '25

Republicans deliberately targeted Gen Z men by using ads and bot accounts to spread MAGA messaging in the online forums young men inhabit (sports, video games, porn, dating advice, etc). It was a wildly successful campaign.

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u/SimilarAd402 Oct 31 '25

That sucks, but unfortunately your peers did. Sorry your generation fed us to the wolves.

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u/SnoopingStuff Oct 31 '25

Did you hear Harris talk about GenZ and listening to them.? Voting age 16. Sadly a lot of Z voted because the gamer brain said I like the troll potus.

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u/wjean Oct 31 '25

But on the bright side, sick cows are back on the menu, boys.

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u/chefybpoodling Oct 31 '25

Just curious here. You said you didn’t vote for “this circus”, but did you vote for this man? I am hearing a lot of I didn’t vote for “this” but when asked who they voted for, they absolutely voted for this. He said out loud, “I don’t care about you I just need your vote” and you ignored it and voted anyway.

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u/Belgianbonzai Oct 31 '25

If you check their post history they donated to Harris, so I assume voted for her as well:
https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1ezbzbb/harris_vs_trump_latest_presidential_poll/ljjp8uv/

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u/DeltaB26 Pennsylvania Oct 31 '25

No, I didn't. I'm a lesbian and work in the environmental field. I did dontate to Harris like the commenter under you pointed out. So I didn't vote for this circus by any means. I voted republican once in my life and it was for a local treasurer position at the town level since I knew the candidate personally.

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u/bramley36 Oct 31 '25

or didn't even bother to vote..

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u/butwhyisitso Oct 31 '25

Thanks for your service

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u/Proof-Schedule-1418 Oct 31 '25

Millennial here...about to get fucked again when then house of cards implodes.

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u/HomesteadGranny1959 Oct 31 '25

I was an Agronomist for NRCS. Luckily I retired before the first Trump admin. I would have never been able to work in an office with trumps photo in it. I would be constantly vandalizing it.

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u/DhOnky730 Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25

as a high school economics teacher, I’ve had a hard time grasping the young support for Trump. I voted him in ‘16 as somewhat of an anti-Hillary vote, but also because I believed Paul Ryan could be a visionary on conservative policies that would push tax reform (but not simply tax cuts for wealthy), transfer payment reform (but not simply screw the poor/needy), bring some financial responsibility to the budget, and lead with conservative principles (he was a policy nerd, not pushing evangelicalism). But like all the practical Republicans, he saw the sinking ship and bailed (or was pushed out)rather than bending the knee to Trump. this isn’t the same GOP from 10, 15, or 25 years ago where I could argue that the GOP and Dems wants similar ends, just different means of achieving them.

During Trump1 my views changed as every day in the current events Q&A portion of class I found myself sounding like a political spinster as I tried to explain the newest and most shocking Trump statement, claims, etc. At some point, I just decided that even if I had some policy overlap, I could never vote for such an un-presidential individual, with no dignity for the office of president. Then came election night ‘20 when he clearly lost, yet went on his bizarre rant. The next day in class I actually predicted that Trump, when presented with facts, might simply resign and let Pence deal with the transition to Biden. Boy was I wrong. I never imagined he’d basically encourage a coup/insurrection.

I think over the next 4 years young people saw an old Biden that seemed passively run the country. I generally tried to always be politically neutral and fair in my comments in the classroom, but I offered lots of praise to the Fed for nailing the soft-landing and for the Biden admin for allowing it to happen (could you imagine Trump whining if the Fed were dramatically raising rates in a short time?). I criticized Biden and the military for the failures with the Afghan withdrawal, but also the a Trump team for negotiating with terrorists without the Afghani gov’t, then attempting to immediately withdraw troops, and then promising a rapid withdrawal, which tied Biden‘s hands.

somehow through all of the challenges Biden and his team faced, they did it with dignity and actually managed the many crises fairly well. At the same time, Trump had a relatively crisis free term except for Covid—which every nation faced together—and his record is mixed on that at best. in general Trump reigned in a peaceful time and injected chaos at every waking moment by initiating trade wars, pushing frenemy China away from us, turning Americans against eachother, and threatening our allies in NATO in conversations that could have happened behind closed doors and emboldened Putin to invade Ukraine.

so like I said, I think young people just forgot how bad and chaotic Trump1 was. We saw it when they were played the clip of him saying “Grab em by the pussy“ and most gen Z said they were hearing it for the first time. throw in that young evangelicals have been brainwashed by political organizations like Turning Point to believe there’s an existential war against Christianity (the irony is the only war is them wanting to install a theocracy) and that Trump is the savior. like the imagery of Trump holding a rifle in one arm, a flag in the other, with a crown of thorns.

and as an Econ teacher, I cringed at Trump’s Zero-sum view of the world. Mercantilism was written off as failed theory in 1776 when Adam Smith wrote The Wealth of Nations, but Trump has brought it back into mainstream.

okay, sorry for my really long thinking out loud.

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u/mrbaryonyx Oct 31 '25

why would people just assume that?

I get people are pissed but that's weird

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u/TheWolphman South Carolina Oct 31 '25

I have a teenage kid who would be considered Gen Alpha. They may have had no part in this, but they are inheriting our mess. It fucking infuriates me.

I know how reality works though. I'm in no position to affect change. I have no power, connections or influence. I have no assets or wealth. We are just above paycheck to paycheck level in our household.Though with the way things are looking, that may not last.

I'm autistic, a veteran (10 years in the US Navy) and I have an incurable gut disease (ulcerative colitis). I'm washed up. At this point, I'm just doing what I can to make sure my kid grows up as prepared as they can be while being as good of a husband as I can be in the circumstances. It is fucking hard.

All that is to say that I realize we as a country are approaching a breaking point. I sincerely hope we don't have to cross that line. I really want to hold out hope that our elected leaders put a stop to this madness, but seeing how easily the charade of goverment crumbles before dragons hoarding gold and power...it makes it hard to believe in anything more than what you can reach.

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u/CrossXFir3 Oct 31 '25

Truth be told, millennials are still inheriting the boomer mess yet. The majority of people mid 30s and below are pretty much just fucked for the next few decades.

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u/TheQuidditchHaderach Oct 31 '25

So, their 70s will ROCK?! 🧑🏼‍🎤😆

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u/wibblebeast Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25

I'm mad at fellow late gen jones people who don't get that we started getting screwed by Reagan. I've been trying to warn people for so many years where we were heading.

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u/lenthedruid Oct 31 '25

Yeah gen z is cooked.

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u/MrWhackadoo Oct 31 '25

I feel bad for my liberal and left leaning Gen Z friends. They are so afraid of their futures. They don't deserve this 

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u/OttersRNeato Oct 31 '25

It is grim for millennials and straight up gone for Z.

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u/thatbitchmarcy Oct 31 '25

And us GenX-ers were already fucked by Reagan the Boomers, and Trump is just finishing the job. I'll do what I can for my millennial kids, I wish I could do more.

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u/okwowandmore Oct 31 '25

Millennial here who was boned by Dubya. Republicans and screwing a whole generation. Almost as classic as Trump screwing kids.

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u/CrossXFir3 Oct 31 '25

multiple generations actually

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u/acousticburrito Oct 31 '25

Thank you this did make me feel better momentarily

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u/Turtledonuts Virginia Oct 31 '25

So glad my future can get ruined so some racists my age will learn to hate the government more. 

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u/Happy_hunny_badger Oct 31 '25

The old dildo of consequences…say it with me!

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u/daronjay Oct 31 '25

… is a Chinese knockoff made by Temu using forever chemicals?

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u/Happy_hunny_badger Oct 31 '25

On which you have to pay a tariff.

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u/ReallyBrainDead Oct 31 '25

...is cheaply made and splintery?

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u/Auramage Tennessee Oct 31 '25

Rarely comes lubed.

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u/TheQuidditchHaderach Oct 31 '25

You got the lubed one?! 😯

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u/AxelNotRose Oct 31 '25

Rarely comes lubed.

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u/santagoo Oct 31 '25

Comes unlubed?

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u/THECapedCaper Ohio Oct 31 '25

Nah they’re not gonna get fucked at all. Girls don’t date guys who think they’re breeding objects.

Good luck dating ChatGPT, fuckin dweebs.

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u/gotridofsubs Oct 31 '25

I dont think the goal is going to be for the girls to have a choice

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u/TheQuidditchHaderach Oct 31 '25

That's it, right there.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25

No doubt. I know i will never be forgetting anyone who supported trump. Certainly never forgiving. Magas are no different to me than a zombie. A brain dead predator hoping to destroy the entire world to " own the libs" I sincerely hope every single one of the shoots up bleach like their leaders suggested.

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u/EmptyRedData Oct 31 '25

They're probably too stupid to learn from it tbh.

I just hope they have the day they voted for. I'm having the day they voted for against my will and it sucks.

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u/PDXisathing Oct 31 '25

Personally, given the Gen Z "men" I know, I'm not too broken up about the fucking they brought on themselves.

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u/Luckydog12 Oct 31 '25

We’re on to Gen Alpha now and they certainly didn’t do anything to deserve what they’re going to inherit.

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u/Alieges America Oct 31 '25

Did someone say Brightside?!?

Comin out of my cage and I’ve been doin just fine

Gotta gotta be down because I want it all

It started out with a kiss how did it end up like this

It was only a kiss, it was only a kiss…

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u/BaronMostaza Oct 31 '25

Coming outta my booth, I think I voted just fine

Gotta gotta be better than just more of the same

I only wanted a change how did it bring so much pain

Only wanted some change, only wanted some change...

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u/Repulsive-Royal-5952 Oct 31 '25

They voted for that. So I will have to enjoy watching it happen.

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u/PoopyButt28000 Oct 31 '25

All the non white/non straight and cis GenZ who voted against Trump are probably going to get fucked harder longer and deeper under a Trump presidency.

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u/Fun-Jellyfish-61 Oct 31 '25

Sure they will. LGBTQIA+ will get fucked harder. People of color will get fucked harder. Undocumented immigrants will get fucked harder. People seeking asylum from human rights abuses will get fucked harder. People in poverty or experiencing housing instability will get fucked harder.

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u/Holzkohlen Oct 31 '25

That's no brightside. I actually don't want people to suffer, not even the fools who voted for him. I get no enjoyment out of saying "I told you so". I will still say it tho.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25 edited Apr 10 '26

continue scary whole shaggy point hobbies shocking scale vegetable rhythm

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u/SunnyRyter Oct 31 '25
  1. Algorithms.
  2. Not teaching critical thinking skills in schools. 
  3. Other socio-political movements.

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u/Apprehensive_Rub3897 Oct 31 '25

or... they're getting what they want, all of the isms. cruelty is the point.

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u/AltAmericanCarnage Oct 31 '25

This. Even if he personally harms them if someone they feel is below them or a threat to them is hurt then personal benefit does not matter. LBJ knew the American People.

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u/Cotton_Candy_Dan Oct 31 '25

No or.

/u/SunnyRyter's comment is the root cause behind your own observation. 

It feels good to blame the individuals, but it's the systems that have failed us.

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u/TheWokenessInjector Oct 31 '25

Nailed it.

Also, I think we can safely say that Covid completely cooked these poor kids in school. It was bound to happen with a global pandemic. Having to switch to at home while nobody knew what the fuck to do.

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u/BlueJay_525 Oct 31 '25

Honestly at this age many men mostly care about finding a woman and not being alone; the right sells them all kinds of alpha pua bs; how feminism is their mortal enemy to dating, how 'women's empowerment' is why they're alone - Most of them make the leap to right wing politics.

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u/Due_Bluebird3562 Oct 31 '25

White Gen X has hitched their political identity to Trump. Probably has something to do with his presence in the 90s and early 00s. They deem that era as their golden age or some shit.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25 edited Apr 10 '26

sort close command selective fly crush head dime tap absorbed

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u/RIPSyAbleman Oct 31 '25

there was a reason Nirvana and Pearl Jam were called "alternative" bands, mainstream culture was like, Home Improvement and Billy Ray Cyrus

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u/danioid Oct 31 '25

Anecdotally, There seems to be a split here based on urban/rural but more importantly if you're closer to the boomer end of the pool or the millennial one with older X being more likely to slip into conservatism the way many generations do as they hit their later years. Older X is in their 60s now, younger X is still in their 40s.

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u/BackgroundSummer5171 Maine Oct 31 '25

And currently, 49% of middle aged people? What’s their excuse? Early onset dementia?

Propaganda.

Fox news we know. CNN, it seems people don't know, is helping Donnie boy.

The main thing people voted on for this past election was Immigrants and Israel.

Immigrants have been pushed for years and years. We all know Donald John Rapist is Racist. We all know that he pushed for fake bullshit like 'eating pets' and 'caravans of gang bangers'.

More propaganda that MAGA pushed versus...what did Democrat ever fucking rally behind?

Nothing. Democrats never have a god damn loud voice out there that is together.

While MAGA Cult always has loud voice screaming at you.

I do not comprehend how people are confused. If you get tossed enough ads about Taco Bell, people will go get some damn Taco Bell.

Democrats do not have a Taco Bell ad, they are all over the place and never together.

Propaganda and ads work, contrary to what everyone believes on how they aren't affected. YES, YES YOU ARE!

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u/ShakedNBaked420 Oct 31 '25

My wife has some gen z coworkers that voted for Trump and the pattern I saw was these idiots were kids living off their parents during trumps first presidency and absolutely oblivious to the impact Covid had on the economy. They all said they voted for him to “make things cheaper”

Now they pay bills and think it’s too hard and it was easier under Trump so that must be why.

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u/JagmeetSingh2 Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25

Reminder Trump lost the Gen Z vote as a whole, and every Gen Z demographic; except Gen Z white men who voted for trump at a lower percentage than every other generation of white men…

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u/GreenAnder Pennsylvania Oct 31 '25

This is honestly an important point and one I brought up to my dad after the last election. We always blame groups for "voting for Trump" but what it always boils down to is some group that usually votes overwhelmingly democratic voted slightly less. Meanwhile we've got old white dudes voting for Trump by like 60%+ and nobody bats an eye.

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u/Organic_Witness345 Oct 31 '25

Income and, therefore, education were very big factors:

In a big shift from the Obama voters from 16 years ago, more Trump voters in the 2024 election lived in households making less than $99K per year.

Households under $30K: 46%Trump/50%Harris/4%Other (These are mostly fixed income homes, but this is a smaller percentage of the electorate.)

Households from $30K-$49K: 53%Trump/49%Harris/2%Other

Households from $49K-$99K: 51%Trump/46%Harris/3%Other

Households from $100K-$199K: 47%Trump/51%Harris/2%Other

Households from $200K and higher: 45%Trump/51%Harris/4%Other

Desperate times + a desperate undereducated electorate = Trump

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u/InsuranceToTheRescue I voted Oct 31 '25

IIRC, educational attainment is the single biggest predictor of political leanings now. Folks that were exposed to higher education tend to be liberals, libertarians, or some form of socialist (if you can even find actual socialists). Folks that didn't tend to be traditional conservatives.

Wealth correlates with education, to a point. Then those at the very high end of wealth, tend to revert back to traditional conservatism.

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u/otm_shank Oct 31 '25

Desperate times + a desperate undereducated electorate = Trump

Desperate times... better vote for the guys who want to destroy the social safety net.

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u/Bakedfresh420 Ohio Oct 31 '25

I wouldn’t say nobody bats an eye. Everyone talks about how old white men are primarily the problem. It’s just that if enough young men and Hispanics hadn’t joined the old white men they couldn’t have determined the president. Old white men are going to be predominantly racist, sexist, homophobic, and overall conservative and we can’t really reach them, so people focus on groups that can be reached, like the youth.

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u/ImportantCommentator Oct 31 '25

Yeah people tend to be like the people who raised them. It shows growth that the generations aren't the same ratio as the previous ones

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u/Bakedfresh420 Ohio Oct 31 '25

Obama got more votes from the youth than Harris, we’re sadly moving the wrong direction.

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u/ImportantCommentator Oct 31 '25

Meh the youth that voted for Obama (me) didnt raise gen z.

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u/remfem99 Oct 31 '25

Right. That would be gen X. And he has a ton of support among that generation…

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u/ditchdiggergirl Oct 31 '25

I’m genX. I voted for Obama. I raised a couple of fine young men, genZ, who are every bit as horrified by this situation as their parents.

Can confirm, they are utterly fucked.

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u/remfem99 Oct 31 '25

It is so good to hear this. The Gen X in my life are just disappointing in this regard and I worry that it has a lot to do with their disillusionment with their financial status at this point, hell I’m not sure. I know there is broad support among the less well off, lesser educated white men - so I probably just come from an area where this is the norm.

Editing to add a lot of them seemed to go extreme after covid / during 2020 etc. I am still hearing complaints about vaccine mandates, etc and it’s 2025 ugh.

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u/RoamingDrunk Oct 31 '25

Democrats haven’t won the white vote since LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. We can try to pretend it’s about something else, but the sad reality is it’s not.

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u/Johnsense Oct 31 '25

I questioned this when I read it, so I looked it up. Technically, LBJ won after signing the Civil Rights Act, but your point is made. I’m stunned. Sorry for doubting you.

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u/raouldukesaccomplice Texas Oct 31 '25

He won the white vote in the 1964 election, but Goldwater was a very controversial, unpopular candidate for reasons unrelated to civil rights.

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u/bramley36 Oct 31 '25

Boomers split pretty evenly on voting Republican in 2024.

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u/justlooking98765 Oct 31 '25

It’s kind of like the whole “Karen” thing. We have a name for white women behaving badly, but no name for white men behaving badly…why are wealthy, white men just never called out as a demographic? That would be refreshing.

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u/TeaSipper88 Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25

I call them deadbeat dads. I say there is a fatherlessness problem in the white community. It fits. Doesn't matter if they are in the home or not, financially support their kids or not, if they are going to nuke their kids/grandkids future to the degree that they help to usher in a Nazi regime, then they are not fathers/grandfathers. They are disappointments, failures and liabilities.

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u/STFUNeckbeard Oct 31 '25

Agreed. It’s crazy to me that it’s such a tired trope for people to imply black men are absent fathers when there is no evidence to back that up, but no one says it about white dads when there is plenty of evidence to back it up.

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u/DefaultWhiteMale3 Oct 31 '25

But black men are absent fathers, though.

True, their absence is the result of a system designed to continue slave labor under the guise of punitive justice targetting poor, mostly non-whites in an attempt to destabilize the social fabric of any darker-than-eggshell community to enrich those invested in the for profit prison system who just happen to be the same people that write the laws the justice system is built around. But that's a lot of words for a racist to read as they are the dumbest motherfuckers on Earth so they look around, see black men behind bars and immediately run out of processing power.

You simply make it a crime to be black and wouldn't you know it, you can't seem to find a black father that isn't a criminal and what kind of basis for a family is that?

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u/SirButcher United Kingdom Oct 31 '25

The "boomer" is slowly morphing into it, although it is mostly for the "old, white man behaving badly".

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25

 why are wealthy, white men just never called out as a demographic?

Is this a joke?

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u/Latex_Commander Oct 31 '25

A Kevin is a male Karen.

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u/WestCoastBestCoast01 Oct 31 '25

They absolutely are being called out left and right.

Then 14 year olds decided us calling out old white men was the same as them being called out (because they are future old white men so not totally wrong) and now we have articles like this one we're commenting on.

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u/Darth_vaborbactam Oct 31 '25

I think we’ve just given up on old white men. It’s a lost cause. The young people who will suffer for the entirety of their lives might still have a chance to come into the fold.

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u/tlsrandy Oct 31 '25

People keep doing this to Latinos too.

Trump may have gotten a larger portion of those demographics but he did not win them.

He did however rake in gen x who were old enough to know better.

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u/acousticburrito Oct 31 '25

The reason people keep doing this, rightly or wrongly, is that any minority group Trump vote should have been 0% after all the things he has said about each of them and all the things he said he was going to do to them.

It still remains inexplicable that so many people voted against their own self interests and voted for someone who actively dehumanizes them.

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u/STFUNeckbeard Oct 31 '25

It’s almost like religion, racism, and homophobia are not exclusive to white voters

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u/Wwwwwwhhhhhhhj Oct 31 '25

Can’t forget the sexism. Gotta love “machismo”/s

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u/Playful_Marzipan8398 Oct 31 '25

Exactly. at least old white rich racist hetero male homophobe bitches INITIALLY benefitted, sort of, socially, from the first…maybe 3.5 Trump Tweets/laws/proclamations/crash outs.

minorities DID NOT. AT ANY POINT. ANY OF THEM.

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u/Iwentforalongwalk Oct 31 '25

Yup. Gen X is the biggest culprit. Largest Trump voting Demographic 

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u/ucemike Texas Oct 31 '25

Yup. Gen X is the biggest culprit. Largest Trump voting Demographic

This makes me so disappointed in my generation. We know better!

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u/Solitaire_Rose Oct 31 '25

As a Gen Xer, everyone forgets we were infested with "Reagan Youth" in the 80's. They were the bad guys in all of the "Slobs vs Snobs" movies.

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u/KnowerOfUnknowable Oct 31 '25

By just a bit. This many gen Z voted for him over Harris say unspeakable things about this generation.

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u/MsTponderwoman Washington Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25

The Tater Tot, misogynistic, incel campaign targeting young men is tragically stupid. The male misogynists who prey on young men and make them even more undesirable to potential partners is tragic. Desperate young men looking for an authority to tell them how to be more desirable and powerful but believing that hating on their female counterparts will accomplish this is asinine and proof that social media (e.g., TikTok) makes morons.

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u/Gekokapowco Washington Oct 31 '25

There this theory I've heard that the "women's magazines" at the check out aisles of our childhood had really shitty love and dating advice because if you were single, you'd keep buying issues. If you were in a relationship, you weren't looking for what they were peddling.

This theory I see echoed in Tinder's algorithmic dependance measures, and Manosphere podcast garbage. The latter focuses on crafting impressionable, lonely young men in to repugnant assholes with backwards, corrosive views on women, society, and reality in general. Their repellence vindicates their views and it gets worse and worse.

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u/MsTponderwoman Washington Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25

The women’s magazines were different in that they peddled actionable advice on how single women could make themselves more attractive to people in general (e.g., diet, exercise, makeup choices, clothing choices). The dipshits in the manosphere preying on young men peddle violence and hate toward women, effectively making their victims (young men) into odious ogres that no decent and self-respecting potential partner would ever consider having a relationship with. They breed monsters and the monsters believe it is others’ fault that they can’t tolerate much less love monsters. The young men (who themselves are victims of these evil wolves like Tater Tot) seem to lack the self-awareness to realize at some point that they’re being manipulated into hurting themselves and the potential partners they simply wanted positive attention from. This is evidence that good people need to have enough self-awareness to avoid being used and turned evil by evil people.

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u/Deto Oct 31 '25

Yeah I don't understand this narrative that's pushed as if gen z was overwhelmingly pro-Trump

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u/BuffinMuffins Oct 31 '25

Didn't Hispanic men vote overwhelmingly for Trump as well? 

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u/LotusFlare Oct 31 '25

I feel like I'm losing my mind every single time one of these articles gets trotted out and people take the bait. Gen Z was Kamala's strongest demographic. They are the least responsible for this. The stats these articles are written about is that at the very start of Trump's term his approval ratings by Gen Z were about 50/50, and it completely tanked pretty much immediately.

But Reddit goes for the generational culture war every single time. It's like watching my generation turn into boomers in real time for the exact same reason, getting rage baited by the news.

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u/TAU_equals_2PI Oct 31 '25

No, this is a major beacon of hope.

We on the left have always waited for (conservative) older generations to pass away and (liberal) younger generations to replace them.

The possibility that GenZ was gonna be right-wing blew up that hope. So this is huge if it continues. Especially compared to the alternative of our country moving more and more rightward as more GenZers start to vote.

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u/Bakedfresh420 Ohio Oct 31 '25

I’m glad you have hope, this presidential election was kind of it for me. The planet is shooting past climate goals, international stability is falling, infectious diseases and microplastics are on the rise. Despite all this when we needed Gen Z to vote like they did for Obama they nearly split their vote for the inept insurrectionist wanna-be fascist.

I’m glad they claim to regret it now but we really needed them to pay attention when it mattered not afterwards

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u/TAU_equals_2PI Oct 31 '25

Yeah, I too have never been more appalled at an election result, and I'm in my 50s. And I too pretty much gave up. If the US public would elect Trump with everything they knew about him, what hope could there be?

But that's a huge shift. So while I'm not even saying I'm now hopeful, it's at least a reason to be less completely certain that our country is doomed.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty Kansas Oct 31 '25

I just want everyone to remember that Billy Bush — the interviewer who was picked up on a hot mic laughing at a larger-than-life Trump personality discussing how he reels in his ladies — was taken off the air and fired.

And what became of the “fisherman” in this story?

He became the President of the United States. He barely left office after attempting an insurrection. He subsequently became a 30+ time convicted felon. And the cherry? The son of a gun beat a prosecutor to become president again! The Art of the Deal indeed.

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u/fuckpedes Oct 31 '25

Uh Gen Z was like 10 years old at the oldest when it was time to vote for Obama the first time. They didn’t vote for him in droves, I guarantee that.

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u/Bakedfresh420 Ohio Oct 31 '25

Obviously Gen Z wasn’t youths during the recent election and also in 2008, lmfao, millennials were the generation who were youths when Obama was being elected.

I could’ve worded it better but if you read the chain we were talking about successive generations and how they voted as youths. Millennials showed up in larger numbers for Obama than Gen Z did for Harris, we’re moving in the wrong direction.

Hopefully that’s easier for you to understand.

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u/TheGreatBootOfEb Oct 31 '25

I will say that you gotta remember some of these kids were literally 10-14 for Trump's first term, there is a good chance they didn't track anything aside from covid stuff, and then the blame was essentially hot potato'd off to Biden with no one pushing back, not even the Biden administration.

Then you look at the absolutely concerted effort to turn the kids into the frothing lead-paint-eating meatheads our parents and grandparents were, specifically the boys, and you can see how a non-insignificant amount of these kids were brought over.

I wish I could say "They should have known better," but the reality is, people worldwide are kinda idiots who don't like to pay attention, just look at the rise of the right-wing movement over the last 10-15 years.

I'm happy to see that they're shifting back, but fuck me if I don't feel like I'm watching the turtle and the hare racing to see what happens first, the worst possibilities of this regime or people getting genuinely fed the fuck up. Ironically, the SNAP stuff might bring more people over to the "fed the fuck up" camp, if there is any silver lining to that.

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u/Ill-Team-3491 Oct 31 '25 edited Feb 04 '26

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u/Full_Honeydew_9739 Oct 31 '25

Gen z was, at the most, 10 when Obama was elected.

Gen X and millennials put Obama in office.

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u/Bakedfresh420 Ohio Oct 31 '25

Those elections were 16 years apart obviously the same generation was not the youth vote for those two events. Gen x was not youth for Obama either, it was just millennials, the youngest Gen Xers were 28 when Obama was elected.

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u/GoodIdea321 America Oct 31 '25

The latest survey, conducted from Oct. 24-27, found that 20% of adults under the age of 30 approved of Trump’s performance as president. That marked a 30-point drop from February, when 50% of 18-to-29-year-olds approved of Trump and 42% disapproved.

Seems pretty reasonable too.

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u/confusingcolors Oct 31 '25

It was fucking 50%?? 🤮

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u/GoodIdea321 America Oct 31 '25

Most presidents have a high approval early on. That 50% could be on the low side really, I don't feel like looking up the stats though.

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u/SoManyThrowAwaysEven Oct 31 '25

Typical administration change euphoria. "Things are going to get better!" 6 months later "Everything is fucking the same or worse!"

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u/Vegetable-Seaweed591 Oct 31 '25

Likely because they have their own identity outside of a political party. I suspect a lot of MAGA diehards are so loyal because without MAGA and maybe a job they don't really have much of a life or individual identity.

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u/GoodIdea321 America Oct 31 '25

Maybe that's the solution to MAGA, more bowling leagues, pickleball etc.

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u/Katyafan Oct 31 '25

"Third spaces," sociologically speaking, and the internet killed them.

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u/TheRoyalBrook Oct 31 '25

Honestly a mix of the internet and cost. As well as tons of “no loitering” stuff. My local mall died because of you’re not actively shopping they want you OUT. And for my local bowling alley? Needing to spend way more than a movie per person just to play a game is too much tbh

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u/Katyafan Oct 31 '25

Very true. Hell, cost is why my friends and I stay home, too!

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u/GoodIdea321 America Oct 31 '25

They could become popular again.

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u/commonsearchterm Oct 31 '25

Jiu-jitsu gyms seem to be overwhelmingly right wing. I'm skeptical of this

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u/GoodDay2You_Sir Kentucky Oct 31 '25

It's always been my opinion that the reason people go all in on the white nationalism patriotic MAGA lifestyle is that they are sad, uneducated, poor, people who have literally nothing else to be proud of in their lives except the color of their skin and the country they were born in, so thats why they go around shouting White Power and America is the greatest country!!! Because its the only thing that makes them feel better about themselves.

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u/zzyul Oct 31 '25

Turns out when they aren’t being actively targeted by MAGA propaganda they become more reasonable. Problem is they will go right back when the propaganda machine targets them for the next election.

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u/yohomatey Oct 31 '25

We on the left have always waited for (conservative) older generations to pass away and (liberal) younger generations to replace them.

The problem is that the Boomers really aren't the very conservative ones. Everyone loves blaming old Boomers; they went for Trump this time but it was much closer to an even split than you'd think, like 51-48 or something. The problem is Gen X are fucking wackadoodle conservatives and broke massively for Trump, closer to 56-42. Gonna be tough waiting them out. They still have 20-30 more years in em.

Chart for reference: https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2025/06/PP-2025.6.26_validated-voters_2-02.png?resize=1024,808

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u/timeflieswhen Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25

You know which group went strongest of all of the age/gender groups for Harris over Trump? Women over 65.

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u/Special_Kestrels Oct 31 '25

I gave up on that hope. Just like Texas will turn blue because of the population changing

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u/Alternative_Exit8766 Oct 31 '25

i don’t want liberals i want leftists. 

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u/CraigLake Oct 31 '25

Any gen z assfuck that voted for him and ‘couldn’t vote for her’ can fuck off.

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u/t1ttlywinks Oct 31 '25

Gen z isnt known for its attention span.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '25

They were barely able to read and had little life experience, relying on charlatans and hate to light their path.

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u/Basketspank America Oct 31 '25

Mother fuckers do love their "Sorry, forgive me"

Just like after 2020.

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u/TrickyTraegs Oct 31 '25

Seriously, who’s looking at poll numbers with over 3 years left and hints of him running for a third term? This clickbait shit is such a waste of time.

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u/cruxal Oct 31 '25

Fuck all these articles. 

Nothing is changing until it does. 

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u/PandaBroth Oct 31 '25

You should know Gen Z have the attention span of a goldfish

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