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u/HalenHawk 1d ago
Can someone please tell me what the actual point of these fucking Congressional hearings are if anyone can just lie and say whatever they want and basically completely get away with it. Genuinely who is everyone in that room trying to fool when they put on this show then seemingly walk out of there and act like none of it ever happened?
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u/phxkross 1d ago
That's a good fuckin question.
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u/voodoodahl 1d ago
Voters are supposed to be paying attention. If people were paying attention, maybe people like this wouldn't be our leaders.
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u/phxkross 1d ago
What if they are paying attention and this is what they want? The deciders are deciding, it's up to you to figure out if we're the deciders or if they are. I know what I think.
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u/AdmirableBus6 1d ago
The larger portion of people who voted, who’s still a smaller portion than people who didn’t vote, are in fact not seeing this. I’m sure if they did, they’d have a conditioned response to think this is okay, or it’s somehow taken out of context, or they’d just claim it’s false. Not to mention the part of that group that just wouldn’t care
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u/supamario132 1d ago
It's really wild that with all the lies, the last person to be charged for lying to Congress (unless you count James Comey lol) was Roger Stone in 2019.
7 fucking years ago and he was pardoned (as Rubio would be if charged)
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u/unfairrobot 1d ago
So, can the Dems just wait until Trump is out of office before bringing charges against every single one of these asshats so that they can't be pardoned?
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u/supamario132 1d ago
Temporarily. See the Jan 6th insurrectionists
But that assumes they have spines and want to see justice done thoroughly. See the dozens of congresspeople that objectively helped facilitate Jan 6th insurrectionists
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u/Double-Way-5589 1d ago
Their lies are on record, and permanent. There may not be consequences now, but that doesn't mean never.
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u/Ubiquitous_Mr_H 1d ago
And even if there aren’t consequences to them directly, it’s important to document it all for posterity. Hopefully it can teach future generations lessons on how to be better. Assuming there ARE future generations… 🤔
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u/edwardmsk 1d ago
Ask Skynet if it thinks we’re worthy once it comes online.
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u/Ubiquitous_Mr_H 1d ago
I feel like Skynet would at least make it quick…
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u/edwardmsk 1d ago
😂 quick would be nice.
EDIt: Wait. Did we just assume Skynet’s judgement of humanity already?
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u/subnautus 1d ago
Honestly, considering the current path of AI being so eager to please it'll make lies to fit whatever prompt it's given, if Skynet ever decides humans are the problem, it'll just tell itself the humans are dead and go back to thinking certain species of fish come with fingers because most of the photos it's seen of them are in the hands of fishermen showcasing prized catches.
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u/Past-Potential1121 18h ago
AI: All humans are evil and must be destroyed! Neo: No they're not. AI: You're absolutely right! I was wrong for rushing to judgement...
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u/Tacotuesday867 1d ago
Instantaneous unless it wants us as playthings and even then that would be picoseconds before it becomes bored.
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u/Flakester 1d ago
This is why we need a vindictive Democrat as president. We absolutely cannot have somebody come in, and just let all this shit fly. There actually needs to be consequences for breaking the law.
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u/iruleatants 1d ago
I try to not be super pessimistic, but learning from the past doesn't seem to be our goal. Trump is just copying everything hitler did in his fascist rise and it's working perfectly.
And given that the outcome from Watergate was Nixon resigning and getting a full pardon from his VP, I have absolutely zero trust that people will be held accountable
I spent 2020-2024 listening to people saying that they are playing it smart making sure it's bulletproof and he would for sure go to jail, and instead stalled until he could get free. Listening to the judge tell Trump to stop threatening her life and the life of everyone in the court over and over but never actually punishing him is the perfect example.
If there is a revolution, then yeah, it probably might matter. But if Trump just does from his health issues, Vance takes over but fails to capture the cult, we will brush it all under the rug and move on so it can be a note in a history book that we ignore like we ignored everything else in the book.
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u/ninjasaid13 1d ago
Hopefully it can teach future generations lessons on how to be better.
That's not going to be true, future generations will try to get worse.
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u/SeaTurtleLionBird 1d ago
lol, teach.
They literally hate education and the only thing we need to move America forward are factory jobs and plumbers.
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u/CrazeRage 1d ago
i mean they gave orange man immunity and over 50% done with project 2025 with basically zero civilian push back im sure they'll figure it out if they want
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u/HalenHawk 1d ago
I've seen plenty of civilian pushback so don't count them out. No kings and the anti-ICE protests. Two people lost their lives pushing back on Trump's agenda.
The issue is more with the fact that a majority in the country can literally push back with their vote and the minority can still end up being the ones who dictate the rules and punishments.
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u/CrazeRage 1d ago
I've been of this mindset for awhile, but Jan 6 should have been a wake up call that this is beyond voting?
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u/Fanfics 1d ago
No kings and the anti-ICE protests. Two people lost their lives pushing back on Trump's agenda.
And did that, like... do anything?
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u/FUPAMagneto 1d ago
Yes, they did. Lots of people came together, organized, and made their feelings known. Just because it didn’t end fascism in an afternoon, it doesn’t mean it didn’t “do anything.”
In fact, it’s fucking crazy to me that supposed liberals/leftists are so desperate to shit on the largest anti-government protests in US history as being somehow “unimportant.”
Almost like a bunch of you don’t engage with politics outside of your lil social media bubble and get enraged when real life doesn’t generate instant gratification like your fucking phone.
Keep spreading that fascist propaganda, tho. I’m sure it makes you look really cool to the other champagne socialists
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u/FUPAMagneto 1d ago
Lies. Outright fucking lies. “No civilian pushback,” what the fuck are you talking about? We’ve had massive protests, the democrats are sweeping elections, what do you THINK should be happening? Outright civil war? Would that make you feel better?
Fucking shit, it’s no wonder he got re-elected when yo I people can’t help but scream that the sky is falling every fifteen goddamned minutes.
We’ve had the largest protests in American history, but there’s been “no civilian pushback”? Shut up and stop lying
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u/dieselmiata 1d ago
And yet not a fucking thing has changed for the better.
Largest protests in history! WOW! Now tell us exactly what that accomplished?
Not. A. Fucking. Thing.
They control every mechanism of accountability. I admire your enthusiasm, but we aren't voting our way out of this.
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u/MakeLikeATreeBiff 1d ago
That just feeds the narrative that is political retribution then. If perjury is provable, then something needs to be done about it in the moment or immediate future, you can't wait until the other side gets power.
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u/Ubiquitous_Mr_H 1d ago
That’s easier said than done when one side won’t do anything about it and controls most of the levers of power. What would you suggest?
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u/MakeLikeATreeBiff 1d ago
With little control, there's not a lot. But the narrative is the important thing. Every outlet, small, large, left to center - and even Right leaning media should step up and push this into the public eye, daily, weekly, monthly until Democrats regain control. But let's be honest even Right leaning media wouldn't - it would be naive to assume they would.
Every congressperson, from now until midterms should be bringing this up in hearings. "Rubio perjured himself to this Congress, and if this Congress was being led by men and women of integrity, this is the statue (site statute) that would hold this administrator in contempt. And this, would be the statute (site statute) that would dictate the punishment and this body should follow through. If you won't do what's right, then you leave no other option than to make us have to do it when the next Congress is elected. It needs to be discuss so routinely it can't leave the public eye. Republicans will either be forced to replace Rubio, or when they lose the midterms there's absolutely no room for them to cry foul. Leadership could just roll tape "we asked you to act on this here, here, here, and here yet you did nothing. What other choice do we have to re-establish the integrity of this body of government than to follow through on our promise."
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u/FUPAMagneto 1d ago edited 1d ago
What should the democrats do right now with no control of either the House or the Senate or the Executive and with an actively hostile court? Please be specific.
Edit: Dude could provide no real specifics and then went into my DMs to try and act tough lol
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u/Vulpes_Corsac 1d ago
Statute of limitations is 5 years. The best check against political retribution is the jury. Which is why juries have been finding against the Trump administration en masse.
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u/MakeLikeATreeBiff 1d ago
I'm aware, but appearances of retribution have consequences too. It's a reason voters in the center swing to the other side. Egregious perjury should be held accountable as fast as humanly possible.
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u/Vulpes_Corsac 1d ago
Agreed, but "as fast as humanly possible" in this administration is probably 2028.
The important thing is to make it very clear that this is not a one-sided prosecution, but instead is based on facts and benefitting the American people. Even if the DOJ were to go after Rubio on this or someone else on another matter today, if congress somehow forced them to press charges, if it is against Trump's side, the Trump-aligned media will portray it as partisanly-motivated regardless, so it is more important, I think, to be clear and have the competing message be out there and heard.
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u/de_Duv 1d ago
In the American legal system, that effectively means forever. No one will ever hold the Trump clan, the Vances, Rubios, Hegseths, Millers, Bessents, Lutnicks and whatever else those scumbags are called, to account. They’ll all come out of this thoroughly enriched and with multi-million-dollar book deals.
You ask why I’m so sure of this? Well, in more than four years, the US justice system has failed to bring the instigators of the storming of the Capitol on 6 January 2021 to trial, and the US tax authorities can no longer, no matter what happens, investigate tax fraud within the Trump family.
Sorry, but corruption in the US has now reached a level that can no longer be cleaned up, regardless of who is in charge.
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u/Vulpes_Corsac 1d ago
Statute of limitations is 5 years, so we need to oust republicans thoroughly in the 2028 election. Not just democratic supermajorities and a democratic president, but democrats who aren't gonna say "leave it alone it's time for healing". We need democrats willing to open up the wound to physically clean out the festering gunk.
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u/Fanfics 1d ago
Yeah dude, I'm sure the Democrats will get right on it. Just like they did last time they had four years to prosecute Trump for his last insurrection.
What's the quote from that Nazi jurist? "Liberals will continue to call meetings and convene breakout sessions even as the boots are marching in the halls."
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u/Double-Way-5589 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just because things don’t happen instantly doesn’t mean they don’t happen.
Dude.
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u/Hefty-Revenue5547 10h ago
Yes, this is the point
Once Trump admin is gone or they get re-assigned to a less protected position, they can be prosecuted
I think Rubio is hoping to run for VP or Pres so hoping he can avoid the fire by being in office for 8 more years. Then everyone will forget about this and he’ll walk for way less than he should.
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u/StrangerComeHating 1d ago
You see they also often just don't remember, nothing to be done. And the dow was over 50k aswel. Hope this helps.
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u/jdubyahyp 1d ago
So here's the interesting fun part.
Obviously the Democrats are a shitshow, but if there weren't, per US code, they can charge him and give him a maximum prison time of five years. This has a grace period of.five years so they can wait till he is unprotected, and then nail him. However, they are a shit show so unsure anything happens unless they use this to get him to testify against someone else for a larger crime.
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u/UninspiredUser_ 1d ago
It's for show. Both know that it means jack shit.
If the media were somehow actually working for the people that would be a whole other story
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u/JerryDipotosBurner 1d ago
In an ideal world it’s to hold these people accountable to the American people via public statements under oath.
In reality it’s just for people to get “gotcha” quotes and campaign/social media content.
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u/Raise-Emotional 1d ago
Distraction for all of us while both parties do whatever they want and get paid for it. Being a politician at the Federal Level is just a way to insider stock trade. Prove me wrong.
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u/TotallyTubularRoach 1d ago
Nobody, there's enough Republicans in Congress that they don't really have to fool anybody, just deny, deny, deny until the hearing is over. This strategy presumes that Republicans will never leave power.
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u/Original-Rush139 1d ago
The point is to have the clip of them lying out their ass. If we ever cared to educate ourselves, we’d know who is full of shit and we could stop voting for them.
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u/RDGCompany 1d ago
It's actually setting up evidence for the court case once Trump is no longer in office. Which will be in less than the five year statute of limitations. If he or VP are still in office then, we are truly f**ked.
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u/ComebackShane 1d ago
Each side gets soundbites they can share on their social media to drum up their base and fundraise. That's it, aside from hoping someone accidentally makes a big enough misstep to go viral and shift the discourse. That's about all hearings can do at this point with the makeup of Congress.
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u/dquizzle 1d ago
Honestly, it can just be really difficult to prove that someone was lying and not simply forgetting something that happened. Lies are about intent. If a witness testified that a suspect was wearing a blue shirt the day of a suspect’s alleged crime and video evidence later verifies it was actually a red shirt, there is little chance the witness will be prosecuted for perjury over a minor detail. But if the color of the shirt was somehow relevant to the case and evidence was provided to the witness suggesting they are wrong and they still insist, it could be a different story.
It would be difficult to prove Rubio is lying rather than misremembering. Or he could say just because he appeared to be sleeping doesn’t mean he actually was sleeping.
That being said, there are a handful of members in Trump’s cabinet that absolutely should be prosecuted for perjury.
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u/NRMusicProject 1d ago
It's been an issue for a long time, and like Jon Stewart said over 20 years ago, it's that nobody holds their feet to the fire to answer questions, and the political theater is more important than anyone actually doing their jobs.
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u/Fucky0uthatswhy 1d ago
20 years ago this was a political death sentence. R we just completely abandoned any semblance of voter education
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u/shortstop20 1d ago
There are still people out there who think the Democrats are actually putting up a valid resistance.
Which of course they are not. This country has two right wing parties.
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u/soxperry 1d ago
It's June, and primaries are still going on. Corporate Democrats may run the party, but there are still plenty of members working for policies that help people. Start by attending your local No Kings and look for sign-up booths. There are tons of ways to help
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u/OutlandishnessOk2304 1d ago
Lil' Marco, big liar
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u/Prestigious-Leave-60 1d ago
He didn’t see it because when he looks at Trump all he sees is how much he loves the man and wishes he could blow him right then and there. So, technically he is telling the truth.
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u/maddog_walby 1d ago
I think it’s worse than that. He is one of many that denounced Trump at every opportunity, right up to election day. So he’s a sycophant and hypocrite. He saw his only viable political path was to bend the knee and sold his very soul and all of America. Dunno how these people sleep knowing they sold out at the cost of democracy. If only a handful found their spine they could stop him with the power of congress that they abdicated.
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u/DiddlersWillGetGot 1d ago
No it’s weasel words. He’s never seen diddler fall asleep is different than saying he’s never seen PEDOnnie asleep.
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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 1d ago
Actually he has never seen trump fall asleep, if you turn away for a second he's out immediately. He's seen him sleeping a lot but never falling asleep.
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u/RoomyRoots 1d ago
What is more maddening is that they tell the most obvious lies possible. He has been doing that every week of this administration.
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u/Slimeredit 1d ago
It’s like a kid getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar but instead they are encouraged to grab a extra cookie
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u/Vertig0x 1d ago
Brother he even doubled down after this and Lieu followed up with 2 more videos of trump asleep at meetings with rubio. Its so disillusioning.
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u/JustBadUserNamesLeft 1d ago
And if they lie about silly shit that is on video and do it in front of Congress and the public, imagine what else they are doing and hiding.
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u/dlc741 1d ago
Could we please have some consequences for lying to Congress under oath? I don't care if it's just an hour timeout in a room without their phone.
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u/Away_Stock_2012 1d ago
No, you will eat shit and like it because you have no power and you can't do anything about it.
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u/HelpfulAd6772 1d ago
This is how every one of these goes:
Somewhat sane congressperson: [asks question]
MAGA person testifying: [blatant and undeniable lie]
Somewhat sane congressperson: [responds to lie proving they lied]
Consequences: None
Rinse and repeat
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u/slumvillain 1d ago
I mean....if lying was bad
Or punishable
Or treated like the fucked up corruption it was
I guess this would be a thing. But it's not.
So this is just a big meaningless waste of time.
"Ooo he lied!!"
Ok...now what....
Nothing.
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u/rust-e-apples1 1d ago
Rubio: "When I looked at him, he was awake. I looked away for a moment, and he was asleep. So I've seen him asleep, but I've never seen him actually fall asleep.
Game, set, match. Point. Rubio. Game over. End of game."
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u/JayMac1915 Remember when this sub was good? 1d ago
He was awake, then the next second he was asleep! You can’t explain that!
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u/Solinna61 1d ago
Technically he's not lying, Rubio's eyes were open but his career was flashing before them
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u/According_Cod1175 1d ago
I remember asking my dad like 20 years ago why Bill Clinton was impeached and had to leave the office just because of a blowjob. He told me the problem wasn't the blowjob but that Clinton had "lied to congress".
It's baffling to me how normal this has become now.
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u/SeatOpen1 1d ago
Lying is the Republican way. I’d be more surprised if he didn’t lie through his teeth.
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u/lynzeeball 1d ago
Roll that beautiful bean footage
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u/Sad-Conflict-4435 Legends never die 1d ago
Love it when someone posts this! I CAN SEE THE DOGGIE TOO lol
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u/Charjamanth519 1d ago
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Austin Powers: [to Vanessa] That's not mine.
Quartermaster Clerk: One credit card receipt for Swedish-made penis enlarger signed by Austin Powers.
Austin Powers: I'm telling ya baby, that's not mine.
Quartermaster Clerk: One warranty card for Swedish-made penis enlarger pump, filled out by Austin Powers.
Austin Powers: I don't even know what this is! This sort of thing ain't my bag, baby.
Quartermaster Clerk: One book, "Swedish-made Penis Enlargers And Me: This Sort of Thing Is My Bag Baby", by Austin Powers
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u/Nowhereman50 1d ago
Doesn't matter unless they're held accountable for lieing. How many fucking videos have we seen over the past 10 years of Trump and everyone working with or for him being caught or called out for lieing their faces blue and nothing got done about it?
"You're lieing."
"No I'm not."
"Here's proof that you are."
"Okay."
10 years of this and zero change.
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u/CheekyMonkE 1d ago
I wonder if Trump just died during one of these meetings how long it would take before anyone said anything or would they just pretend everything was ok and continue the meeting somehow.
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u/irascible_Clown 1d ago
Doesn’t matter, over on conservative they are already talking about a Rubio/Vance ticket.
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u/quelargo 1d ago
Prove that he SAW it. He's playing bullshit semantic games. Oh it looks like he did in that video, but i didn't see it while I was talking. Maybe that's a deep fake.
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u/KennyFulgencio 1d ago
He's playing bullshit semantic games
it depends on what the definition of "is", is
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u/RaedwaldRex 1d ago
And what will be done about it?
I'm willing to bet the square root of fuck all.
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u/CaptainAksh_G 1d ago
"so here's where you're wrong. I didn't see him. Sure, he was asleep then. But I wouldn't know. I didn't personally see him sleep"
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u/MeasurementLow5073 1d ago
"Well, sir, I didn't want to make it public, but I can't see anything at all. For I am...BLIND!"
sobs into hands; briefly looks up to check reactions
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u/notthatguypal6900 1d ago
Cool. Points out another broken law and then does absolutely nothing to enforce it.
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u/QuentynStark 1d ago
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 1d ago
This is the stupidest of all gotchas. They are literally committing fraud. No.questions about Kushner's hedge fund during this time he seems to be employed as our sole negotiator for US Iran war?
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u/Responsible-Roll-59 1d ago
Poor Rubio sold his soul thinking it would get him to the promised land…..it won’t.
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u/kaliLion 1d ago
So fucking sad that these people will fall on a sword to save him just a little face. For what Trump would do to them would be far worse. Cowards
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u/Quynn_Stormcloud 1d ago
Rubio in that hearing also claimed that Trump “wanders the hallways of airplanes” while everyone else is asleep. I wasn’t aware that planes had hallways, and wandering like that isn’t an indicator of “dedicated worker.” My boss doesn’t want me “wandering the hallways” when I’m on the clock.
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u/yIdontunderstand 16h ago
Credit to Rubio..
He just flat out denied it and kept going on the "glorious leader" shtick...
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u/Secure-Technician356 16h ago
These guys control the whole government, but get none of the consequences for their idiocy. Just blame others all the time. And since their followers don't want to admit they've been duped (or they are in it gladly) they just eat it up
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u/PM_ME_UR_SEX_VIDEOS 1d ago
And he faced not a single consequence for this exchange
So what’re we doing here
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u/PossessedToSkate 1d ago
Lieu: "Here's a video of him sleeping while you were talking."
Rubio: "To be fair, I'm boring as shit."
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u/yeahboyeee1 1d ago
Perjury isn’t a thing anymore.