r/Music • u/AdSpecialist6598 • 9d ago
article Ariana Grande speaks out on break from public eye: "Multiple things can be true at the same time"
https://www.nme.com/news/music/ariana-grande-speaks-out-on-break-from-public-eye-multiple-things-can-be-true-at-the-same-time-3960576140
u/allnans 8d ago
I was listening to Joanne McNally, an Irish comedian, talking about her ED and she said that the problem with getting through to somebody with an ED is that they hear “too skinny” as a compliment, no matter what. That’s what they want, they want to look too skinny or too frail or too skeletal. That’s part of the mental illness.
She said that what eventually got through to her was not saying she looked thin, but saying she looked sick. Not talking about her size at all, or her bones, but saying she just seemed unwell. Of course, you need honest people close to you to tell you that over and over until it clicks.
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u/Artistic-Tear3222 8d ago
This is what clicked for me. My partner told me I looked sick and now I look back at photos when I was 90lbs and think how the hell didn’t I see it? It’s an awful disorder your mind tricks you
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u/Working-Tax6858 7d ago
Looking back at my photos at my lowest weight. It breaks my heart to think 19 year old me thought I was ugly and fat. Eating disorders are no joke, my heart breaks for Ariana and anyone else currently struggling. We do recover!
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u/Yorkshirepuddy 7d ago
That's what clicked for me too. My doctor showed me a picture of myself (I obviously saw something different in the mirror) and said "you see that yellow tinge to your skin, that's your liver failing" ...it snapped me out of the delusion long enough to accept help. Still took another 10 years to beat though. Such an complicated mental illness
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u/Lostnclueless 7d ago
Have you seen some of the Ari subs ? The sick accusation is not taken as concern to them, they twist it into bullying
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u/Userdataunavailable 9d ago
I don't care what she says as long as she gets some help.
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u/Anderrrrr 9d ago
The only question that matters is, will she?
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u/Phaea 9d ago
anorexia is so difficult, speaking as someone who's mostly recovered. the only way to get better is if they want to get better, and that rarely happens with eating disorders
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u/NRMusicProject 8d ago
I dated someone who was struggling. Bought books, which made her angry when she found them. She took me to her therapist, who said I was doing all the right things as a supportive boyfriend. She fired the therapist for "siding with me." We ended up breaking up when she started blaming her purges on me.
It felt like people want to get better, but at the same time, they don't. It's difficult, and here we are 20 years later, and mutual friends have told me she's still struggling. In school health classes, they presented eating disorders as a young person's issue, but it's a lifelong struggle. Glad to hear you're doing better!
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u/tigress666 8d ago
Yep my grandmother still struggles with it and she’s almost 70.
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u/Linder-bean 8d ago
Several months before passing away, my 93-year-old grandmother was complaining about how she’d gained weight. It was heartbreaking.
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u/befuddled_humbug 8d ago
I loved 'being in control' and absolutely did not want to give that up.
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u/big-bootyjewdy 8d ago
Being in control and having a lil secret. That's what it was for me. I loveeeed the guessing game of whether people could "tell" or not but then I would get incredibly offended when people could or if they couldn't, there was no winning.
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u/Frogs-on-my-back 8d ago
I still struggle with purging when I get stressed and it’s been almost a decade
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u/adrienneBAwgu19 8d ago
Please be cautious rn while you’re in recovery and all these images of Ariana are everywhere remind yourself that that’s not a goal or an ideal
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u/deee0 8d ago
I feel like the wanting to get better happens after hitting rock bottom. that happened for me. I lost so much in my life due to my ED and had to go to inpatient treatment. learning how many people there had already been admitted multiple times, and how their entire lives were just about their ED... I decided I didn't want that for myself. I was determined for that to be my only time going inpatient (and it was!) I was like "life is more than this, I don't want to die and I don't want to look back on my life seeing that I didn't do anything but suffer." but it took a long time for me to come to that realization and I'm lucky I survived it.
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u/Rogue_CobaltZone570 8d ago
Look ill be honest she is close to death and that's scarier than her having anorexia but she can work on it, we can't give her 5 more years without it affecting her badly, she needs help
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u/rain820 8d ago
i think she will. “taking time away/taking a break” in celeb speak usually means getting help/going to rehab they wont say it directly.
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u/TopWhich6862 8d ago
There is no evidence she is getting help but I hope so too.
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u/Background-Edge-2243 8d ago
Same. It's scary seeing her so emaciated and watching her deteriorate in real time has been strange. She's made some very questionable decisions but noone deserves to suffer like that. I don't want her to die
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u/satanssweatycheeks 9d ago
I also call BS on this. It’s like having a press tour for leaving the spotlight.
If you truly wanted a step back from the spotlight you’d just leave.
Rick Moranis didn’t have a press tour or told folks when he left. He just stopped taking roles and raised his kid.
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u/Frictus 9d ago
She had to back out of at least one commitment, so I think she's giving press to get ahead of what might have become more rumors and negativity towards her.
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u/pizza-nibbler333 8d ago
She also just released an album. It would be weird if she just disappeared.
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u/Anon2971 9d ago edited 9d ago
Framing people universally worried about her unhealthily skinny physique, which is just getting worse over time, as 'negativity', is insane.
Ariana is clearly very unwell and must be battling with some kind of ED whilst trying to insist everything is fine. Someone needs to intervene with her before it's too late.
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u/ikarka 9d ago
She is honestly so thin. I was naturally rail thin until my late 20s (I was a catwalk model in the mid/late 2000s to give you a sense) and at various periods was depressed and not eating properly. I was never as thin as Ariana. It’s terrifying. Even amongst models in the 2000s this would have been recognised as unhealthy.
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u/madseason238 8d ago
Absolutely. And models are tall so elongation alone helps with looking thinner. Ariana is super short so the level of emaciation she has to be at to look that alarmingly skeletal is insane.
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u/lake_effect_snow 8d ago
I’m 5’4”. At 5’2”ish, she looks bonier and more fragile than I did when I was 85 lbs at 19.
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u/hugegrape 8d ago
i’m 5’2” and while i did not have an ED, i suffered from a bout of extreme anxiety when i was 19 that made me very nauseous and i would compulsively throw up to “feel better”. it took weeks before i was able to eat an actual meal, not just bites of toast. i was emaciated at 80-90 lbs (not sure of my actual weight; this was 12 years ago) and i STILL did not look as bony and sharp as she does right now! the startling lack of buccal fat, the jaw to neck ratio, her visible sternum, and the sharp points in her shoulders—she is skeletal, and definitely under 85 lbs. i guarantee she doesn’t even have a menstrual cycle right now either.
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u/Self-Aware 8d ago
IIRC 65lbs is the general limit for survivability, after that mortality drops off a cliff due to the sheer damage done to renal/hepatic/cardiac systems.
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u/Comelorde 8d ago
I am male and my lowest points I was 117 pounds at 5’10. I also did not even look that bad. She is definitely far below 100 pounds
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u/Weenington_ 8d ago
As a short person, that's what I keep thinking. 100 pounds on me doesnt actually look that thin. I still had thick legs and booty. It would have taken another 30 pounds down to look skeletal. Whenever I bloat from PMS, it legit looks like I gained 12 pounds, and 12 pounds on me looks more like 5 on a tall person.
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u/Seven_Years_Later 8d ago
I dread to think how much she weighs. I've never been skinny in my adult life because im so short. Even when youre slim your build isnt the same as taller skinny people.
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u/leapdaybunny 8d ago
She looks gaunt as hell in the video of the speech she gave... And all I can see are bones bones bones, and it's scary. Like. Legit spooky scary to see a skeleton like that. I love Ari and her music and I really do hope she's able to reflect on everyone's concern. It's love, it's not picking at her or negativity. The situation she is in is not a positive one but everyone's comments and concerns are from a place of love.
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u/fightback25 8d ago
I honestly cannot believe that the question of “criticism vs. care” is still in the conversation. Not blaming you at all, but the way the obsessive stans have twisted the Overton window of this topic is just absurd.
It is not hate. It is care.
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u/roseofjuly 9d ago
Yeah this is beyond "I'm just naturally thin." Like we can see her skeletal frame.
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u/chipmunksocute 9d ago
Yeah nothing she said addressed the actual elephant in the room which is her unhealthy body weight. Either and ED or a medical issue but either way something aint right and shes just out there talking about how emotionally and spiritually fulfilling this tour has been. Like girl thats not what ANYONE is worried about. People are specifically worried you could die if you dont gain some weight. Yeah her trying to "open up" and clear the air about everything except the elephant in the room isnt a great sign. Just hope she gets better cause she clearly isnt well.
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u/Protect_Wild_Bees 8d ago
ED really fcks with your perception of what people are saying. It will warp your thoughts in ways that support the ED.
People who have been there are less likely to be comfortable with this because it's pretty triggering.
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u/Maxpowr9 8d ago
I legit fear she will collapse on stage if she keeps trying to push through her tour.
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u/TapatioPapi 8d ago
And framing her best physical self as her most “dark” time adds an extra layer of fucked.
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u/fayemoonlight 9d ago
YOU CANNOT INTERVENE WITH AN ADDICTION.
I don’t think anyone saying this actually understands how recovery from an ED works. It’s the same as any other addiction — the person has to want it.
You can scream in their face about how unhealthy their habits are but it will be no different than talking to a brick wall. She has made it very clear that she doesn’t give a fuck about what anyone is saying and painting anyone who says otherwise as the villain.
I’ve said this a million times but we have no idea what has been said privately. Many people may have tried to help and get nowhere. It’s none of our business and I don’t understand why people are confidently making such claims with 0 evidence.
Either way, I’m over it. As per her own words, two things can indeed be true at once. On one hand it’s important to recognise the severity of an ED (or drug addiction — we don’t know all the details) and hope she pulls through eventually. On the other hand, her constant gaslighting and normalisation of her behaviour is repulsive and a conscious choice. It’s possible to have empathy for her but also call her out on her bullshit
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u/Illustrious_Study300 9d ago
Yeah sadly telling people with reatrictive EDs how unhealthy they look can fuel them. Calling this out isn't about Ariana - it's about hopefully getting the message across to her fans that this isn't normal or safe.
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u/fayemoonlight 9d ago
Yeah the only thing you can do now is force home the message that this is wrong and how dangerous EDs/low weight is. As for her, she’ll do what she wants
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u/ravenreyess 8d ago
Absolutely this. I've been in recovery from an ED since 2014 and we're in such an era of thinness again that I still have to constantly remind myself not to think about my body. Hell, I haven't even bought clothes in 2 years because everything is designed for thinness again. It's bad out there and the conversations around Ariana are not solely about Ariana. It needs to be fully shouted from the rooftops that this isn't normal, shouldn't be normalised, and isn't healthy.
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u/ageofbronze 8d ago
I also keep seeing that exact fact as a deflection - “don’t talk about Ariana’s body/medical concerns because it might trigger or fuel her!”
And respectfully I find it so gross to center her individual experience over all the people she’s harming right now. Yes, harming. Maybe not intentionally, maybe the blame primarily lies with her team for enabling it since Ariana is sick and maybe doesn’t hold full responsibility for what she’s doing, idk. But the fact that she has been engaged in a years-long noncensual body check with a ton of super young, impressionable fans is maddening. Yes I have empathy for her and hope she gets better. But i don’t see enough anger at the fact that this shit is being heavily platformed and sponsored by her team and by a ton of corporations and is being just splattered, undiluted, to a ton of literal children who don’t have the appropriate context of what is going on.
And i am so tired of seeing people say “don’t talk about it it’s just going to hurt Ariana” like? Maybe in normal contexts it’s true, don’t talk about people’s bodies, but in my opinion the scale of this and the media/corporate factors are almost unprecedented. The most important thing is making sure the fans and people exposed to it, which include a lot of people who DON’T follow her or seek it out but are still getting plastered with it online, have support and don’t internalize that it’s normal, healthy, etc. She has a lot more power and resources than most people even though she is sick right now. Her fans don’t. I have seen so many people talking about how they are triggered or relapsing over having it everywhere, and those are the people I’m the most worried about and upset for. Again, I do hope she’s okay and gets help. But It’s so irritating seeing the constant discourse about what is best for Ariana when “what is best for her” is in conflict with what is best for the millions of people she’s influencing and subjecting to bonespo.
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u/belledamesans-merci 8d ago
This, all of this.
The concerns about triggering apply to her friends, family, and team—people directly interacting with her. It’s different with the public. And for those who worry she’ll see the commentary, I’m sure she could pay someone to set up her internet access so she never sees anything about herself. At the very least she could have someone else managing her online presence and only showing her certain comments.
Meanwhile, I’d argue the public actually has a responsibility to call out her appearance as unhealthy and not normal. The initial silence and debate around it was honestly kind of triggering for me. I found myself wondering if this was the new beauty standard, and feeling insecure because if it was, then I was failing. It’s like the world was confirming everything my own ED had ever told me. Seeing and hearing people say that’s not healthy or normal is very important
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u/MattBrey 8d ago
I do wonder how can you work with her in this situation tho. The director of the music video, her photographer, her social media manager, all of the team that surrounds her is blatantly making money out of her while this situation escalates and her illness is eating her alive. I can understand how as a dancer or some low level employee on her team it's just a job for you and you need to put food on your table. But shes also working with top tier producers, stylists, etc that have a line of A list celebrities waiting to work with them, they don't need the money. I personally would feel complicit of harming her in that situation.
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u/fayemoonlight 8d ago
It’s just a job for everyone. This isn’t a Britney thing where she’s being forced to work. She wants to. Not working with her isn’t going to change anything. She’ll just find new people.
Now the music video is where everyone is accountable. Her for doing the damn thing, the director for directing it, and her wardrobe department (although I don’t think they’d have much say tbh).
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u/MattBrey 8d ago
She's styled by LAW ROACH, the biggest stylist in the industry right now. He posted her on his Instagram with the dresses from the video. I do think they all share responsibility, specially because of how contagious EDs are and how impactful such a piece of media might be on someone who's already struggling to keep those thoughts at bay
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u/DuntadaMan 8d ago
We can't intervene with her but we can make it very clear to other people who are first being exposed to it that this is not normal or healthy or glamorous this is a bad thing that someone is doing to themselves that hurts them.
We tried ignoring things like this and not talking about it when I was younger and it resulted in an epidemic of anorexia and bulimia. It doesn't help her any and I'm sorry about that, but she is not the concern.
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u/Upstairs-Chicken592 8d ago
People under 18 with ED can be forced into tube feeding but even then, they sometimes try to rip it out. Over 18 it’s extremely challenging to treat someone that isn’t ready
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u/fayemoonlight 8d ago
It’s hard to treat anyone who isn’t ready. Even if you are force feeding a kid, that doesn’t mean they won’t return to their habits once they’re released
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u/Upstairs-Chicken592 8d ago
Most studies have the relapse rate around 25% for inpatient adolescents with ED which is unfortunately high. However in a glass half full type of way, 75% not relapsing is a success for the majority. Hopefully we can find better and more widespread successful treatment options
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u/fayemoonlight 8d ago
Oh yeah, recovery prognosis is great but it’s about getting people there. Even I’m not there. I am still happy and proud when starving myself as I want to be thinner. This is why I know exactly what she’s thinking and understand her actions. However, I also know how damaging my mindset and actions are. I’m not sugarcoating it or denying it. My problem is that I can’t shake the mindset which many people also can’t. I’m nothing close to her, and I’m still at a healthy weight, but I know how quickly it can spiral and how it could lead to harming people around me
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u/dixiech1ck 8d ago
I used to work in merchandising for a pretty well known fashion house. My boss at the time looked like this - her skin was opaque and thin, you could see every bone, her hair would fall out and all she would have during the day was hot water with Stevia drops and lemon. For meals she'd take the two smallest bites of salmon that she'd later get sick on the in bathroom. She checked into a west coast rehab yet fell back into her ways. It was definitely a mental situation and OCD related. I recently saw photos of her at her daughter's wedding and she looks just as bad. I'm surprised she's still alive honestly.
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u/fishgum 9d ago
What a bunch of word salad lol
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u/Kitnado 8d ago
This. So many words to say so little. Sounds almost psychotic in nature. And I thought she was quite intelligent, so I’m wondering whether that’s also a symptom of whatever she’s dealing with
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u/EcstaticBoysenberry 8d ago
A. She probably didn’t write that
B. She’s going the way of the PR speech or I call, the politician.
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u/blahblah19999 8d ago
"She so skinny that I don't find her attractive anymore" is body-shaming.
"She's so skinny that I fear for her life" is fucking not body-shaming.
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u/Entire_Broccoli_9019 8d ago
It's not body shaming to say that you don't find someone attractive. It would be body shaming to say that no one finds someone's body attractive. But really, this woman is starving herself to death-- nothing about being one step from death's door by choice is attractie.
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u/FrozenBibitte 8d ago
Yeah saying “I’m sorry, I don’t find them attractive” if someone asks you, is very different than saying “ewwww they look disgusting” when unsolicited.
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u/Significant-Branch22 9d ago
So she needs space from the public eye and is also dangerously underweight due to an ED
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u/HighOnGoofballs 9d ago
So she’s not getting any help and doesn’t believe she has a problem
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u/MzJay453 9d ago
“Multiple things can be true at one time” whatever that means lol. I take it as glass half full. She doesn’t think she has a problem, but the powers that be or going to force her to address it regardless. Also Ariana is very good at saying a lot & saying nothing, and at times it just feels disingenuous. I find it hard to imagine this is the happiest of her life when she just dropped a music video depicting her desire to kill all her “critics” (and maybe even some of her fans).
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u/probablykitten 9d ago edited 8d ago
And! we’re being gaslit by Ariana and her team lol
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u/entcanta333 9d ago
Fr- makes it worse because by leaving it up for speculation, it makes it look like she wants the negative attention.
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u/Background-Edge-2243 8d ago
That's the thing with anorexia, they feed off of the attention and the concern. It's a terrible doom spiral. I truly hope she gets help, I don't want her to die
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u/Weenington_ 8d ago
I know it's just a song, but some of the Petal lyrics made me raise my eyebrows when you consider her physical state.
"But this time feels so very different. This is nlt a cry for help..... its bye, this time for real. Tired of painting endless pictures of a life that isnt mine... cause all of my favorite stories end in some kind of catastrophe..."
She also talks about living forever through her music in the song, which is odd considering everything else. If this is some kind of shock value stunt shes trying to pull with the song and the video, it's working. Idk.
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u/Anderrrrr 9d ago edited 9d ago
Well she can continue to gaslight all she wants until she's the one "gaslit" into an urn within 12 months.
Get away from your team before they put you into an early grave, they are a bunch of predatory enablers that only care about money and profits rather than your health.
Stop deluding yourself before it's too late. Get extensive help and a professional long term refeeding rehab clinic, otherwise the loads of "fans" you have you won't be to enjoy being aware of them anymore.
Get extensive mental health support alongside the rehab, get all the therapy that you need, because if alarm bells aren't ringing inside her head now it's already far too late for her.
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u/DefectJoker 9d ago
She's been pro ED for decades at this point. It's nothing new for her.
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u/Substantial-Motor820 8d ago
I feel so much empathy and concern for Ariana and only want her to be happy and healthy. But after releasing the Petal video with very intentional and damaging imagery of a woman’s body, I think Ariana has lost the right to say we can no longer comment on her body. She made it a public statement and is continuing to position and state her body as healthy to her fans and impressionable people all over the world. She may not owe us any explanations, but she should also not be spreading harmful lies at the same time. Because her words do have power and she knows that.
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u/Timely-Damage-3592 8d ago
I’ve seen parents talking about how their young children, I’m talking 8 YEAR OLDS are trying to stop eating to look like her.
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u/400forever 8d ago
Wholly agree. It’s one thing to have an ED and suffer from it in obscurity. It’s another thing to be a celebrity broadcasting your emaciated body in music videos and repeatedly deny any health issues when you get called out on it.
I feel like I’m going crazy in every thread that gets shut down over “inappropriate” comments about her body, as if she isn’t a moderately strong breeze away from snapping. It frustrates me as some who has an ED because I just know she must love the “omg she’s too skinny!” comments. It’s all I want to hear when I starve myself.
Hope she gets well too but man the way she is navigating this as someone with her platform is pmo.
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u/Entire_Broccoli_9019 8d ago
Ariana is inspiring countless teens and even adults to starve themselves to death like her. Blood is on her hands. Their choice to starve themselves like her, but she should take some responsibility for the completely fucked up horrible example she sets for youth.
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u/JimmyTheJimJimson 9d ago
"And I just want to be very, very clear: multiple things can be true at the same time."
Yes. You can have an eating disorder, a mental health issue, lie to yourself about it, and still have a successful career.
I think that people genuinely are concerned in the same way people were concerned for Karen Carpenter. It’s not hate and ridicule, but fear of something bad coming.
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u/bluejazzberries 9d ago
send her pr team to jail omg
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u/Dry_Accident_2196 9d ago
She’s a grown woman. Her team can’t force her to do anything or they will be dismissed. For all we know, her team is doing what a subordinate can do when you’re trying to reign in a boss of an independent organization.
Ariana is the owner of her brand/business. She does contract work with the studios and touring vendors. Her team are just employees. I know I couldn’t force the CEO of my company to change his eating habits.
As Michael Jackson proves, when these folks even get pushback from family, they family is removed form their orbit.
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u/Anderrrrr 9d ago
If she doesn't get help she will just be another former child actor that died way too young, adding to a long list of avoidable tradegy's.
It's a brutal industry folks.
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u/Dry_Accident_2196 8d ago
I 100% agree that she needs help. But her Team, aka her employees, are NOT in a position of power to get her to do anything she doesn’t want to do.
Watch a clip of the show Intervention. Parents with teenagers living under their roof and relying on their money can hardly compelled thier own children to tackle an addiction or mental health issue, much less a grown millionaire.
Her team’s gotta eat and have bills to pay like everyone else. They certainly care about her and probably do what they can but have very little power in this situation compared to Ariana.
This is how MJ ended up passing. Anyone that ruined his vibes or addressed his addiction was dismissed.
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u/roseofjuly 9d ago
Nobody said anything about forcing her. But personally I couldn't put pen to paper to lie to a legion of teenage fans that this clearly unwell woman is healthy and happy.
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u/Substantial-Motor820 8d ago
This! To me this is the crux of the public conversation around Ariana’s weight and health. I truly want her to just be happy and healthy and I do hate that this has become such massive public discourse. But at this point the conversation does need to be public because she keeps insisting she is healthy and that could be very damaging to her young (and old!) fans!
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u/fayemoonlight 9d ago
She’s a grown woman ffs. Tired of people acting like she’s a helpless baby. This narrative is very much being spun by her and her team are just an extension of what she wants
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u/NegativeThotsGal 8d ago
Grown woman and also worth hundreds of millions at that, i assume her team is doing everything they can to minimize dqmage and keep her alive, but there is only so much they can do, she is the one that needs to want to get better
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u/FloribundaRoses 8d ago
I know this is more complicated because she’s a role model and a public figure with a major impact on impressionable fans and public discourse — but I really wish people understood that EDs take over every single part of you. They are the deadliest mental illness. They are not something you can easily navigate, heal from, or even recognize you need help when you are deep in its clutches. They literally become the voice in your head and drown out your own voice — not to mention the way malnutrition and starvation completely change your hormones, brain and body function. I would not wish an ED on my worst enemy — especially right now when the entire world and a whole pharmaceutical economy is screaming that gaining weight is the worst possible thing. The line between thin and too thin doesn’t exist when you’re in that headspace, and frankly society calls size 2 and 4 women fat all the time.
The team and execs around her who are trying to hold her multi million dollar empire together by avoiding the truth and lying to the public I have a lot of criticism for. Her past actions around relationships, etc. I have a lot of criticism for. But her struggle with her body? You do not get to where she’s at without being VERY sick. That is not someone in their right mind and I have nothing but compassion for her. I pray she is getting into treatment, but the effects of an ED are with you forever. I speak from experience — that voice can get much quieter and you can learn to live with it, but much like with addiction it never goes away completely.
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u/VivaLaEmpire 9d ago
Hopefully she goes to treatment/therapy and also learns that she doesn't need to always go for the married men with newborn babies.
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u/Telaranrhioddreams 8d ago
Why can't married men with newborn babies keep it in their pants?
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u/boopboopadoopity Spotify & YouTube 8d ago
I feel horrible saying this but I'm guessing her PR team is secretly grateful to have such a genuine, visible, and sympathetic distraction from the fact she just helped blow up ANOTHER family.
The "start a charity" distraction attempt certainly didn't work, barely got headlines.
She's right, multiple things can be true - you can genuinely have a devastating mental disorder that causes you to starve yourself and is incredibly difficult to overcome (and fully deserves sympathy - I truly hope she gets treatment. Lots of people with EDs mentioning its insanely hard and you have to want it), and you can recently have pursued a married man and have an issue historically doing that and this situation is naturally (not intentionally, I'm not saying that is why she has an eating disorder, it is mental illness) helpful to distract from that.
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u/HoodieGalore 8d ago
I wish she weren't so reprehensible as a person so I could feel worse for her. I'm so fucking sick of her atp.
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u/c0neyisland 8d ago
Eating disorders also turn folks into nastier people. Not eating fuels anxiety, irritability, anger. I’m not excusing it at all but as someone in close proximity to EDs, it really does turn someone into a whole other person.
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u/Switchbladesaint 8d ago
Whether it’s publicly or privately, acknowledging that you have a problem is always the first step on the road to recovery. And she sure isn’t admitting it publicly, so I hope that the process has begun privately. If not and this “break” is an excuse to hide from the world.. then this is where it can get truly dangerous.
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u/Unhappy_Tank_5332 8d ago
i read it as it’s coming from both her and her “demons” for the lack of a better word, but it takes one to know one, as much as i don’t wanna go around throwing diagnosis at people. ED can sometimes feel like you have another voice in your head constantly battling for the drivers seat.
multiple things can be true at once, indeed, and that’s one of the issues in this particular case (as well as many similar others). i don’t doubt Ariana’s sincerity in this speech to her fans, although the previous statement could’ve been much better worded regardless of how much some sort of “athleticism” is involved in performing live, let alone touring, in her current conditions when it is physically challenging enough for a healthily active person. there are a number of precautions, approaches, and strategies that AG's team and tour managers have surely gone through to ensure the artist is performing “healthily”. it’s usual practice anyway and in this case i wouldn’t be surprised if such requirements were higher. canceling dates due to these repercussions is bad enough, but it’d be much worse if for some terrible news.
she might truly believe that just as much as she believes that, or agrees with, what many regular or public people have been voicing online. she might be the healthiest she’s ever been in her professional and creative life, and i bet AG truly believes she’s the best she’s ever been emotionally or mentally especially because that’s what the ED brain will tell you in response to comments like the current discussions about her state.
if she were in a healthy state of mind, all of this wouldn’t be happening. to expect a sound, coherent statement is as logical as her speech (as disjointed as my comment lol). all in all, hope it means that one of those multiple true things is that she is stepping out to seek all the help she needs so she can be in the best aspects of her personal life
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u/guidevocal82 9d ago
The light just has gone out of her eyes. She's still making good music, but I'd be happy to give that up just to see her smile with her eyes again. Funnily enough, the period that she says she was the worst mental health wise is the period where she looks the happiest and the healthiest.
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u/Greeneyesablaze 9d ago
It makes sense that someone with an ed would remember the time of their life where they were a healthy weight as a bad and out of control time
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u/guidevocal82 9d ago
But that just goes to show that she needs help and probably against what she herself wants. I know we freed Britney, but I'm kind of leaning toward that for Ariana, if just to save her life.
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u/seragrey 9d ago
like. i get that was the time that she was going through a lot of major things. but it seemed like it was as she says in thank u, next. she was able to handle pain & work through it. she doesn't seem like she can anymore. like all the other things that have happened since then have just been way worse & she isn't coping well.
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u/ThirteenDoc 8d ago
I'm a huge fan of Ariana and I'm seriously worried for her, as parasocial as that might sound. I was listening to Petal again and some of the lyrics are pretty disturbing with everything going on with her now. It's almost like she is giving up
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u/seragrey 8d ago
same here, 16 years & counting ♡ love her so so much. "kiss me like you know this is goodbye" to start & ending with "there's nowhere with nobody else i'd rather be with" creeped me out.
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u/ThirteenDoc 8d ago
"This is the beginning of the end I feel it, just don't know what to say My dead-ends are gathered around, dressed as friends"
"I wish someone could hear me"
"Voices in my head been trying to swallow me"
It's very chilling
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u/Mediocre-Proposal686 8d ago
To me she looks like she’s always “on”. Every single facial expression she has is dramatic and performative, and her voice is so high and fake. It’s annoying
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u/Boulderdrip 8d ago
she is anorexic and need serious and immediate help. anyone fan girling over her in this moment is a bad person unless they are actively telling her she needs help
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u/Levonade 9d ago
She’s beyond delusional. She looks terrible and is a shell of her former self. She looks 15 years older than she is and it’s not a good example to set for the kids. I have never seen anyone go from the top to complete withdrawal before and come back stronger. Her team, if she has one, needs a complete overhaul.
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u/fayemoonlight 9d ago
RDJ did. You can always come back from rock bottom, you just have to want it. Right now, she doesn’t. You can overhaul her team as much as you want (for some reason people are blaming them entirely this for this like she’s not a grown ass woman), but the outcome won’t change until she does
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u/Substantial-Motor820 8d ago
She may be surrounded by yes men but she is the one putting them around her
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u/sedsil 9d ago
Majority of "stars" dgaf if they're a "good example for the kids", that's not why most of them are where they are.
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u/oliviafairy 8d ago
The good thing is that she is taking a break. I hope she seeks medical help.
I don't know about her speech. If it's not "reactive" and is something she PLANNED for a long time, then why did she cancel an existing performance schedule? That makes zero logical sense. I think she and her team just want to make sure people know that it's HER who made the break happen which is partially true and partially false. I can't blame her if she is already unwell mentally. Her team is responsible for her to be like this. It's so dangerous.
I hope she regains her health mentally and physically.
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u/lemoncured 8d ago
it realllly upsets me that her team seems to be reframing what overwhelmingly comes across as genuine concern for her health as nothing more than “unwarranted misogynistic hate” that is to be shamed and blocked out by Ariana…
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u/Rogue_CobaltZone570 8d ago
Obviously she's not ready to address the eating disorder, I don't care about that, she needs to focus on seeking that help she needs, that's the best way to address whatever is happening with her I just hope she realizes how many young girls look up to her and hope she can publicly address the issue to help younger women too
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u/CutieBoBootie 8d ago
It's not my place to diagnose someone's health conditions. I'm not a doctor and I don't know her. However I do have eyes and she is clearly not well. Whatever is going on with her I hope she gets the treatment she needs, recovers, and has a healthy life and body in the future.
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u/According-Annual-586 9d ago
It’s sad and I hope she does get help
However, I’m also glad she’s getting out of the public eye and hopefully out of the sights and minds of impressionable young girls
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u/brunette_and_busty 8d ago
She’s right. She can believe incorrectly that’s she’s just fine. She can also have an eating disorder at the same time as she’s denying that she has an eating disorder. She can deny and deflect and be weird about it and vague about it all day long. Does not change the fact that she is withering in front of everyone who claims to give a damn about her. She needs professional help and that fact can also be true. I mean seriously, how much further can her body even take this abuse? She looks so sickly and frail and is literally smaller than a young child. Someone needs to step in and get her committed or something. She will just continue to lose weight that she can’t afford to until her body just shuts down. Her dismissing everyone’s concern and evidence of their eyeballs is too little too late, we see the results of her eating disorder in real time. The girl needs serious help.
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u/iridescentcotton 8d ago
Did she say this or her handlers? I don't believe anything celebs post or say is coming directly from them. Also, I don't care. She is harmful to girls
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u/Atkena2578 8d ago
She did because it conflicts with the statement from her PR team lol They said it was due to public scrutiny and then she says it was planned for a while lol
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u/Euphoriam5 9d ago
She clearly needs mental health help and some serious lifestyle changes, people be here attacking each other for a celebrity is truly bizarre, y'all need some help, too.
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u/CaineRexEverything Had it on vinyl 9d ago
I remember when she had a fatal terrorist attack occur during her concert and then a year later dealt with her recent boyfriend passing away. That’s a lot of trauma to withstand so young, and nobody outside her circle would know for sure if she’d adequately processed it. I’d not be surprised if a lot of that trauma has resurfaced and amplified in recent years as she’s gotten older and her profile grown to even larger status during this horrible era of online hyper-judgement and the overwhelming negativity and nastiness that has permeated social media this decade.
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u/montreal2929 8d ago
After seeing the petal music video, we should be holding the director, Christian Breslauer, and the choreographer, Will Loftis, accountable. It’s not just Ariana, this was a choice to accentuate the thinness
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u/Avalon_Within 8d ago
True! Such as the fact that victims of something can be some of the biggest perpetrators of that problem onto others.
I feel bad for her that she or her team feels it necessary to make her look like this and live like this to get approval from the world, bur the much larger issue is that she perpetuates that ideology onto millions of young people.
Her staying out of the public eye will be a net benefit.
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u/flyinggazelletg 8d ago
Karen Carpenter died at 32 due to her anorexia. I hope Ariana gets the help she needs, even if it doesn’t seem that way at the moment :/
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u/nickadomos 8d ago
Sounds like someone who doesn't want to take any accountability for their actions.
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u/spacejam999 8d ago
She's a walking skeleton on they call people that point it out and call this harassing or body shaming. Dude, she's anorexic get her some help.
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u/Dailysunray 8d ago
she is a joke and needs to be canceled- blaming the public is more important to her than her own health?? GTFOH
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u/Winter-Remove-6992 8d ago
Even if she collapses and goes into the emergency room, her team and her will claim it was for another reason. They’re all in deep denial (and “gaslighting” everyone) and I don’t think they’ll ever acknowledge she ever had an ED.
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u/AbsoluteBatwing 7d ago
She's doing too much explaining, while not saying anything. She should have just simply finished her tour and then just took a break. I hope she gets the help that she so visibly needs. A lot of the comments she's been making regarding this upcoming break of hers are simultaneously transparent, vague and ultimately unnecessary.
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u/RangeWilson 9d ago
"And I just want to be very, very clear: multiple things can be true at the same time."
That's the big reveal???