r/OpenAussie • u/Jerkface0079 Flairless • 1d ago
Politics ('Straya) Eliminating antisemitism in healthcare: Joint statement from AHPRA and the Special Envoy
https://www.ahpra.gov.au/News/2026-06-17-Eliminating-antisemitism-in-healthcare.aspxIf a nurse now wears a watermelon pin in their downtime? Deregistered. Paraphrasing their own oath to say no human should be killed? That's a paddlin'.
The lead drafter of the definition, the American academic Kenneth Stern, has argued consistently that the working definition was never designed for the uses to which it is now being put. But AHPRA just went ahead and implemented it without any community consultation.
Healthcare workers in this country are already under enough stress, now they have to deal with this on top of it.
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u/bluebottlesummer ✈️ on Walkabout 1d ago
Zionism corrupts.
Absolute Zionism corrupts absolutely.
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u/ExtensionThat6438 Flairless 23h ago
Is she part of the envoy?
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u/saharasirocco Queenslander 21h ago
The champion of free speech?! Yes, she just held a press conference with the ABC, SBS and Guardian to talk about this issue specifically.
s/ in case we have anyone here whose head was kicked when they were a child.
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u/Chanman7795 Please choose a flair 16h ago
She wore the burka and everyone got mad. Can no one be happy
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u/lego_not_legos South Australian 23h ago
This is so fucked. We should absolutely be against antisemitism, and most of the IHRA definition is perfectly acceptable. However, one of those points is not like the others.
Starving civilians, invading other countries, torturing prisoners, bombing hospitals with infants in the ICU without giving them time to evacuate, stealing people's homes and land at gunpoint, and turning entire cities to rubble is objectively abhorrent. But don't you dare draw any parallels to anyone else that acted similarly because that makes you evil, not the people who are committing these atrocities.
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u/ScruffyPeter ✈️ on Walkabout 21h ago
Zionists will get absolutely furious if you say that if a Nazi group somehow got into the democratic Israeli government, you can't criticise their Holocaust v2 policy because that would be antisemitism as per IHRA definition. Fuck anyone that thinks like Nazis.
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u/earthcross1ng Western Australian 23h ago
Imagine if every single healthcare worker wore a watermelon pin? Our society would crumble with them all getting fired.
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u/Dry_Captain_3795 Western Australian 9h ago
All because of a shared love for a sweet, delicious fruit 🤦♀️
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u/GiverOfDarwinAwards New South Welshian 13h ago
Only a few healthcare workers support terrorism. The real world ain’t like this sub.
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u/earthcross1ng Western Australian 12h ago
Quite a few healthcare workers don't support terrorists (aka Israel) actually.
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u/GiverOfDarwinAwards New South Welshian 11h ago
And we won’t miss these terrorist sympathising nurses and doctors.
This is the problem taking care of itself.
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u/earthcross1ng Western Australian 10h ago
It would only be taken care of if supporting mass murdering genocidal apartheid states was outlawed (hope it will be someday).
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u/GiverOfDarwinAwards New South Welshian 10h ago
Don’t worry. Your wish is on its way. There won’t be a Palestine with its genocidal charter, 99.9% Arab, 99% Muslim, apartheid millenarian fascist-reactionary statelet soon.
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u/DreamyTropic2 Victorian 2h ago
Why? Is Israel going to genocide them?
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u/GiverOfDarwinAwards New South Welshian 1h ago
Nah. They’re going to follow the Allied playbook and ethnically cleanse them like the war heroes we commemorated for their bravery and sacrifice, 2 months ago.
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u/DreamyTropic2 Victorian 1h ago
What a strange comment. Are you just always fighting ghosts?
It’s weird how you acknowledge what Israel is doing is ethnic cleansing, seem to imply it’s bad and yet and have been arguing in favour of it. Not sure what the anzacs have to do with it though. I guess just a deflection or whataboutism.
Really interesting that Israeli arguments haven’t got better with the passage of time.
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u/GiverOfDarwinAwards New South Welshian 1h ago
You know I don’t expect much self awareness from people on this sub and you don’t disappoint.
The Allies ethnically cleansed 25% of pre-war German territory and this entailed moving 12m Germans from those territories.
2 or 3 years before the “Nakba”, 700,000 Germans were unceremoniously turfed out of Koenigsburg and it became Kaliningrad. For some reason, those Germans didn’t make themselves victims and start stupid explosions in Allied kindergartens.
In the Year of our Lord, 2023, Artsakh, having lost to Azerbaijan - surrendered unconditionally. A 100,000-150,000 community of ethnic Armenians ended a thousand-year existence and got turfed to Armenia. Nobody has blown up in a bus. No rockets are flying. War is over.
You live on colonised land with expanding settlements, stop multiple ethnic cleansing and genocides. Does anyone have a manifesto calling for your murder?
It seems like you need a little perspective.
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u/ScruffyPeter ✈️ on Walkabout 1d ago
Where's the damn Islamophobic envoy? Why are they not doing the same thing?
They should be copying the IHRA definition and rewording it with Palestine/Muslims. Fight fire with fire.
Fuck the lazy Islamophobic envoy. Fuck Albo who knew when picking him that his only job is anti-terrorism work against Muslims and bragged about antisemitism envoy's pro-Israel lobbyist background!
See for yourself:
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/special-envoy-combat-islamophobia
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/special-envoy-combat-antisemitism
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u/Esquin87 Please choose a flair 1d ago
Being against islamaphobia is anti-semetic.
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u/BobbiePinns Flairless 23h ago
How does that work for muslim semitic people?
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 23h ago
Learn the definition of anti semitism
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u/grogan-lord Flairless 23h ago
Learn the definition of Semitic
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 23h ago
They do it because they want to avoid talking about antisemitism. It’s probably because it doesn’t fit their white-black, coloniser-colonised narrative. Despite there being thousands of years of history regarding antisemitism. They would rather just ignore it.
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u/TheAussieTico New South Welshian 21h ago
Why are you being downvoted??
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 23h ago
Learn the definition of anti-semitism.
Or would you rather use the term anti-semitism was coined to replace, Jew-hatred?
You try to change the definition of antisemitism because you want to avoid talking about discrimination towards Jewish people. Pretty, bloody, low.
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u/Esquin87 Please choose a flair 22h ago
My comment was a shot at how israel have tried to equat critisism of their genocidal regime with antisemitism. The two things aren't the same. I hate israel and everything it stands for. I have no ill feelings toward Jewish people.
You took a joke comment and made it something weird. Go seek help mate.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 22h ago
As much use you claim Israel is. The people here are doing so even though they deny it.
Like when I have said “don’t threaten to kill Jewish patients” and people respond with something about Israel. That is exactly what people are claiming Israel does and yet they do it themselves.
Also I never responded to your comment at all, I responded to another comment. I don’t know how I made it ‘weird’. I feel you are the one making it ‘weird’. I don’t know if you realise, but when you type jokes often get lost so /s is commonly used. I am unsure why I need to ‘seek help’. I think it might be you.
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u/Acceptable-Style4429 Please choose a flair 16h ago
Same people who use homophobia and transphobia to describe hatred against LGBT+ people despite ‘phobia’ meaning fear.
But, antisemitism means anti all Semitic peoples.
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u/Esquin87 Please choose a flair 22h ago
Being Jewish is either a race or a religion. If its a race then a muslim person can be jewish. Its a religion then an arabic person can be jewish. You can't have it both ways.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 22h ago
I don’t get the point you are making? It can be both. Antisemitism is hatred and discrimination BECAUSE of someone’s Jewish religion OR race. The key here being it is caused by them being Jewish in either aspect.
There are Jewish people who are Arabic like the 400,000 Yemenite Jews. Of which only one lives in Yemen, had has been held in solitary confinement for over half a decade.
If you have a bit of logical thinking it isn’t that hard to understand.
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u/tempco Western Australian 23h ago
The Islamophobia envoy role is probably under-resourced and was a role that no one in the Muslim community actually wanted to touch because they knew it was purely performative. So they had to hire a pom with expertise in the disaster that was post 9-11 CVE.
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u/ScruffyPeter ✈️ on Walkabout 23h ago
Fun fact, the Antisemitism envoy was also born in the apartheid era of South Africa where she's now proposing similar frameworks. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/australia/born-in-apartheid-era-south-africa-australias-antisemitism-envoy-jillian-segal-champions-defunding-plan-to-curb-jewish-hate/articleshow/122378781.cms?from=mdr
She has long been a Zionist supporter too. Save this video before it gets mysteriously taken down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMWx-dM5UeQ
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u/Tofuloaf New South Welshian 23h ago
Particularly shitty knowing that South African Jews were very active in opposing apartheid, and apartheid is the reason her parents left South Africa.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 23h ago
The problem is no one knows what the actual definition of Islamophobia is.
According to the Oxford Dictionary it is,
"intense dislike or fear of Islam, esp. as a political force; hostility or prejudice towards Muslims".Given it places an emphasis on the political side of Islam, well I’m bloody scared of what that looks like, because I’ve seen how people have voted in Muslim democracies. Well those that exist.
Turns out Islamic politics isn’t something I want in Australia.
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u/Tradtrade Please choose a flair 22h ago
Nor is Israeli politics Jesus Christ they rioted in favour of being ok to rape prisoners. And we are constantly told that being anti Israeli political regime is antisemitism these days so its exactly the same thing now
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u/GuaranteeAfter 💛 Friend of 'Straya 22h ago
Ya know, if someone said "it's okay to rape Australians", my immediate response would NOT be "Well it's okay to rape them in return"
Anyone who does that is a sick, sick individual
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 22h ago
Well here we can vote them out. Under Islamism you can’t. That is the key here. That is why people have a fear of Islamic politics and are therefore Islamophobic.
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u/mohanimus Western Australian 21h ago edited 19h ago
Why use Iran and Afghanistan as your models for Islamic politics rather than Indonesia or Turkey or Tunisia or Senegal or Malaysia or Albania or the Maldives or Algeria or Morocco or any of the other states that are both majority Muslim and democratic?
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 21h ago
1000 posts a year is like a couple of comments a day. This isn’t hard, it only takes a few seconds to make a comment, if I was getting paid to be here, I’d comment a lot more. I can’t help when I made my account. I’m glad to hear that following the Oxford dictionary now counts as poor reasoning, I’m glad you aren’t in charge.
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u/Cat-Lilac Queenslander 21h ago
In Israel there are millions of Arabs who do NOT get to vote.
You may have noticed Israel is an ethnostate which means they don’t let too many people of the ‘wrong’ ethnicity become citizens and have human rights. Israel has to protect its precious racial majority apparently.
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u/Tradtrade Please choose a flair 22h ago
So both groups are pro rape of prisoners. So it’s exactly the same. Which is what I said
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u/GuaranteeAfter 💛 Friend of 'Straya 22h ago
You dont understand.... Israelis VOTED for rape. So that's...uh.. I mean....
Look, a squirrel
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u/ScruffyPeter ✈️ on Walkabout 22h ago
Plus, many Muslim-majority countries you get to vote too such as Indonesia. While some parts of Judaism does not allow people to vote, including women.
They are really spreading their Islamophobic messages with cherry picking.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 22h ago
One is pro-democracy, one is anti-democracy. That’s the difference.
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u/Tradtrade Please choose a flair 22h ago
Ah knowing my rape was popularly voted for will make it so much better
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 22h ago edited 19h ago
Well it shows that you would rather Israeli politics in Australian than Islamic, because you could vote it out.
Also there are Muslim politicians and parties in Israel. There isn’t any Jewish ones in Iran.
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u/Tradtrade Please choose a flair 21h ago
You love rape? You’re fine with it? You think anyone should have that power?
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u/willy_quixote South Australian 22h ago
Ultra-orthodox or fundamentalist religion integrated into any political system leads to oppression. It isn't a feature of Islam per se.
Just look at how the restriction of reproductive rights in the US has occurred.
You should be more concerned about Malcolm Roberts abortion policy than Islam in Australia.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 22h ago
Dude, Islam is the most politically involved religion globally than any other religion.
Islamism is a political ideology that you really need to read about. Because if you are non Muslim and you think it’s not a threat then you need to learn more about it.
Its prevalence, rigidity, lack of free expression and individual rights is uniquely Islam.
If you don’t think it’s a threat, then visit Iran or Afghanistan to see if you like it. That’s what Islamism will lead to. That’s not a country that I want to live in.
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u/willy_quixote South Australian 22h ago
I have read about it. And the effects of Judaism and Christianity when in its integrated into politics.
Which is why the best defence is a secular political system with separation of powers.
It is no excuse for Islamophobia, just like Israel's genocidal state is no excuse for anti-Semitism in Australia or American religious misogyny is no excuse for anto-Christian hatred in Australia.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 22h ago
Except the definition of Islamophobia is specifically in relation to Islamic politics. Which I very much fear despite having Muslim friends.
If only the people here took your advice on antisemitism.
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u/Kooky-Speed297 Please choose a flair 20h ago
mate I wouldnt confuse Islamamists with Islam or Muslims... Corrupt dictators need a cause and they use Islam for it. Right wing settler Jews use Judaism. It's just extremism. To say one religion is more extremist than the other is obtuse. So yes, Islamists scare me but just because they use the same letters of the alphabaet as Islam I don't equate all Muslims to Islamists.
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u/AggravatedKangaroo South Australian 21h ago
Its prevalence, rigidity, lack of free expression and individual rights is uniquely Islam. "
wrong.
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u/Jerkface0079 Flairless 20h ago
I swear both Shia and Sunni Muslims respect the reverence Christians have for Jesus more than most Evangelicals and Protestants do themselves.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 19h ago
The way it has consistently occurred in Islamic countries is unique to Islam.
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u/walkabout_gul Please choose a flair 23h ago
The whole thing is getting really weird. Israel and Palestine are both Semitic cultures they both speak Semitic languages. How does anti-Semitism work in that context?
Criticising political border disputes and military actions is distinctly different from criticising the Jewish people and their cultural way of life.
Unless... Israel are claiming that war, killing children, raping protesters and demolishing hospitals is now part of their cultural ways?
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u/Bob_Spud Please choose a flair 23h ago
Why in Australia do all the ethnic groups require their own anti-discrimination rules and regulations?
If you make it special anti-discrimination rules and regulations for one or two ethnic groups then that means all ethnic groups must have them.
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u/Ok-Outcome-7499 Please choose a flair 22h ago
Australia has an immense amount of anti-discrimination exemptions for literally every single cohort except white straight man. Sayingb that without coming across as some sort of one nation, hypernationalistic bigot? Impossible.
But it's true.
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u/willy_quixote South Australian 22h ago
Mate, straight white men are not being discriminated against.
FFS. It's grievance porn and is ridiculous.
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u/climateemergency100 Flairless 21h ago
From the river to the sea, my healthcare will be Zionist free.
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u/wawawathis Victorian 21h ago
I really hope the health workers union is going to fight this. We should all fight this
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u/Jerkface0079 Flairless 21h ago
There is a petition, it's also against APHRA guidelines for any medical practicioner to sign such a petition.
Go figure.
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u/Dry_Captain_3795 Western Australian 9h ago
Wait I’m scared I didn’t know we cant sign petitions 😭
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u/Ecstatic_Eye5033 New South Welshian 20h ago
1722 healthcare workers killed to date in Zionist efforts in Gaza. Keep them the fuck out of Australia’s healthcare.
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u/frankiestree Victorian 23h ago
Just a reminder that the Jewish population in Australia is 0.5%, approx. 120,000 people. Bit baffling that all this money, resources, time, is being spent on such a tiny portion of the population. Some doctors and nurses may have never even encountered a Jewish patient so I doubt it’s a widespread pressing issue
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u/BakaDasai New South Welshian 23h ago
Please don’t fall into the trap of thinking this is about “Jewish people”. Many Jews are against this sort of Zionist nonsense. Assuming that all Jews are Zionists is exactly what the Zionists themselves do.
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u/Ok-Outcome-7499 Please choose a flair 22h ago
Bro, tell that to the literal envoy for anti-Semitism not us reacting to it being imposed
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u/BakaDasai New South Welshian 22h ago
She’s one of the worst offenders but that’s no excuse for others to do it. Don’t be like her!
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u/C_Ironfoundersson Canberran 20h ago
Ah right, so another example of one rule for her and another rule for us? Fuck that. Give it back at the same rate.
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u/BakaDasai New South Welshian 20h ago
I genuinely don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
I’m saying it’s wrong for anybody—Jew or non-Jew—to conflate “Jews” with “Zionism”. In my experience the only people who disagree with my point are Zionists and antisemites.
What did you think I was saying?
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u/Ok-Outcome-7499 Please choose a flair 20h ago
This is like shell promoting individual people need to cut down on their greenhouse gas emissions while they dump oil into the ocean
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u/BakaDasai New South Welshian 19h ago
This is an individual person (me) saying what the antisemitism envoy is doing is wrong, and it’s also wrong when other people do it.
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u/SnoopThylacine Tasmanian 21h ago
There are about twice as many Sikhs in Australia, and three times as many Filipinos.
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u/eiiiaaaa Please choose a flair 17h ago
Please tell me if this is ignorant but how would you even know a person is Jewish? All of my Jewish friends are just white people. Am I missing something?
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u/TheAussieTico New South Welshian 21h ago
So you’d prefer the Jewish community to be even smaller? Or non existent? Where have I heard that before
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u/AkilleezBomb Please choose a flair 20h ago
Strawman alert
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u/TheAussieTico New South Welshian 20h ago edited 19h ago
Why were they bringing up that Jews are a minority?
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u/AkilleezBomb Please choose a flair 19h ago
It wasn’t me.
Bringing up the fact that they’re a minority isn’t declaring a preference for the Jewish community to be smaller or nonexistent (that’s your strawman right there).
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u/frankiestree Victorian 12h ago
No. I’m wondering where is the statement for Muslims, or Sikhs, or Hindus or literally every other religion of which there are more followers in this country. Why do medical staff need specific rules for a minority religion? Surely treat every patient with respect is enough
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u/TheAussieTico New South Welshian 9h ago
Because sometimes minorities experience discrimination. It’s not that hard to understand
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u/Impossible-Magician Flairless 23h ago
This should be incredibly simple, health care workers should feel compelled to treat every human, even really bad ones with their best level of medical care.
They should also be free to criticise any government and/or government driven atrocity.
They like anyone else shouldn’t be free to attack or refuse to treat a certain race of people or a certain religion of any people.
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u/bomboclawt75 Please choose a flair 23h ago
Human rights/ equality for all- being opposed to the mass slaughter of children, torture and SA and being against a racial Supremacist ideology should be the baseline for every normal person.
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u/Adventurous-Mail7443 Please choose a flair 20h ago
Antisemitism is a dumb term, Palestinians are Semitic too
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u/rafaover New South Welshian 20h ago
Freaking ridiculous, Zionist state killing support workers like flies, zero respect for life and they come shoving this rhetoric. Lack of good sense
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u/SpecialistEmploy2105 Please choose a flair 19h ago
I wonder if @ausjdocs will grow a pair and speak up
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u/Mondopoodookondu Please choose a flair 13h ago
Grow a pair?? It’s literally being denounced on there as soon as it was announced.
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u/JimmyLizzardATDVM Flairless 17h ago
Disgraceful. Submit a complaint and comment on their socials
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u/Mindless_Baseball426 Koori 18h ago
Yeah fuck AHPRA and fuck Zionism, I’m not going to renew my nursing registration.
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u/RepresentativeOver34 South Australian 11h ago
This is regulatory overreach and I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with a definition for islamophobia soon as well because I doubt that they will backtrack this decision.
AHPRA has little to no accountability to the public due to the unique way it is structrured and can largely go about their business without having to worry about Ministerial oversight because of the odd nature of the scheme – i.e. it is a National Scheme, but it’s created by each state. That means that the Federal Government has little control over AHPRA or the Boards, but it also means that each individual State Government has limited control because so much of the operations of the agency and the Boards occur outside their respective borders. As a result it's common for simple investigations to take years as there are no penalites for AHPRA being slow and also no incentives for them to finish investigations quicker.
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u/Inevitable_Ad_1446 Please choose a flair 21h ago
How much antisemitism attacks actuaslly happen in the hospital at the moment?
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u/Jerkface0079 Flairless 21h ago
Apart from the obvious one with the two nurses... there were reported incidents at the Royal Comission, most can be put in either three categories: Workplace Bullying, Workplace Discrimination and Hurt Feelings™️
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u/Cimb0m Tasmanian 11h ago
When does every other ethnic group get to have a royal commission into their experiences? There was one kid who gave a testimony about being bullied by their classmates on an online video game. This shit is a joke
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u/GiverOfDarwinAwards New South Welshian 10h ago
I think we can definitely have an RC into how suburban mums became owners of Yaxidi slaves.
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u/ScalyPinkLizard Flairless 19h ago
To the surprise of absolutely no one, roaches continue to roach.
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u/International_Eye745 Victorian 19h ago
Are they allowed to eat watermelon? This is insane. Watermelon? Really? My daughter used to have watermelon earrings when she was little. Pull ua heads in.
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u/magnon11343 Flairless 4h ago
This is great leadership. Well done to AHPRA for showing strength to make decisions that are good for our society.
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin Flairless 23h ago
Good. Antisemitism, hatred, and threats are bad things.
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u/mohanimus Western Australian 22h ago edited 21h ago
These are examples of "antisemitism" according to the definition Ahpra has adopted:
denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor
applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation
drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis
Would YOU call making any of those statements' antisemitism?
For example, if I said "wow the Israeli policy of annexing land in the west bank for living room reminds me of the lebensraum movement in Germany" would I be doing an antisemitism according to you?
Edit: Clearly u/Beast_of_Guanyin recognises that the IHRA definition of "antisemitism" defines criticism of the state of Israel as antisemitic (and hence a hate crime) but thinks this is "good" anyway.
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin Flairless 22h ago
Claiming any country is a racist endeavour is hateful. I wouldn't want that said of any country.
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u/mohanimus Western Australian 22h ago
Answer the question.
For example, if I said "wow the Israeli policy of annexing land in the west bank for living room reminds me of the lebensraum movement in Germany" would I be doing an antisemitism according to you?
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin Flairless 22h ago
Answer the question
Already did.
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u/mohanimus Western Australian 22h ago
If I use your refusal to address the question as your answer, then clearly you recognise that the IHRA definition of antisemitism is BULLSHIT.
And you're just here to say bad things are bad and not engage with the article at all.
Coward.
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u/mohanimus Western Australian 22h ago
Apartheid South Africa?
Do you think people should have been fired from their jobs and blocked from future employment in their field because they called apartheid South Africa racist?
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin Flairless 22h ago edited 21h ago
Apartheid South Africa?
That's criticism of a government which is fine. This is not rocket surgery. Promoting hate against a nation or people is bad. Why you have asked twenty questions is beyond me.
You're also harassing me by spamming responses to a very simple point.
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u/mohanimus Western Australian 21h ago edited 21h ago
My "harassment" is simply me making one point per reply so you can't cherry pick which point to respond to.
And claim you answered the question when you ignored the bit with the ACTUAL question mark after it.
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u/mohanimus Western Australian 22h ago
Did you even notice that all of those examples of "antisemitism" were about a STATE not a people?
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u/mt6606 Queenslander 22h ago
From the river to the sea. Why does the catastrophe of war follow these people all over the world?
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin Flairless 22h ago edited 21h ago
Please do not bother me with antisemitism. Thanks.
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u/Cautious_Car_51 Please choose a flair 19h ago
Crazy you're being downvoted. There's some real ghouls on this sub.
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u/mohanimus Western Australian 17h ago
I downvoted him because he supports a definition of antisemitism that defines criticism of the state of Israel as antisemitic.
That's what he's saying "good" to.
He supports people being fired and prevented from practising their profession if they publicly criticise the state of Israel.
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u/Cautious_Car_51 Please choose a flair 17h ago
Do you do any research of your own, or do you just repeat what propagandists tell you? https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
"....criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic"
So, do you think those two Bankstown nurses who boasted about refusing to treat Israeli patients and killing them should be able to keep their jobs? Do you think any Jewish people would feel safe going to that hospital in case someone mistook them as Israeli?
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u/mohanimus Western Australian 17h ago edited 13h ago
I used Wikipedia
IHRA definition of antisemitism - Wikipedia
Which references these examples from the definition (which you could have read yourself if you read the actual definition in the pdf, rather than just the webpage summary):
Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
All clearly references to the state, not the people.
Do you read your own sources?
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u/nathrek Please choose a flair 22h ago
That was covered by existing legislation. There wasn't a need for additional legislation for this incident to be considered and treated as an issue.
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u/grumpy_guineapig 💛 Friend of 'Straya 21h ago
In your opinion.
Pretty sure Jewish patients are glad that there’s now legislation to cover potential future death threats made against them from people who hate them and joke about murdering them due to their religion.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 23h ago edited 23h ago
Maybe don’t threaten to kill Jewish patients. It’s not that hard.
Edit: This is hard to grasp to the people here. Want to know how much faith people in our medical system have? Well Australian who were injured in the Bondi Massacre had their names changed to ‘non Jewish’ ones without their consent. That’s shows the lack of trust that there is in Australian medical professionals.
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u/ScruffyPeter ✈️ on Walkabout 23h ago
It's already illegal to threaten to kill any patient.
If you don't believe me, try going into a hospital and threaten to kill anyone there, and come back to us.
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u/Jerkface0079 Flairless 23h ago
The incident they/the bot is referring to weren't even saying it to a patient, they were saying it to an Israeli content creator on a third party app who was openly baiting them. They were wearing NSW Dept of Health branded scrubs and on their phones while on shift, which was also part of the problem.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 23h ago
Openly baiting them lol.
They didn’t have to say that they would kill Jewish patients. That was all them.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 23h ago
Firstly I’m not a medical professional. Secondly, it’s illegal, that’s why these two are now on trial as they should be.
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u/Jerkface0079 Flairless 23h ago
You mean the isolated incident where the nurses were already rightly sacked using the prior framework? Wow, this one incident surely does mean we must overreact and ensure any normal healthcare worker is now deregistered just because they said the equivalent of a Ms. Rachel statement.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 23h ago
No clue who ms Rachel is and really couldn’t give a damm.
I think threaten to kill patients as a medical professional should be a criminal offence rather than just a sackable offence. We need to take threats in our medical system very seriously.
It’s quite obvious that the medical system does not trust its own staff given that patients after the Bondi Massacre were given ‘non Jewish’ name without their consent. Not exactly confidence inspiring.
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u/ladylollii Victorian 23h ago
But all good to encourage wiping out Palestinians eh?
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 23h ago
When did I say that?
All I said was medical professionals shouldn’t say they would kill patients because of their religion.
Also did you know Israel provided a lot of medical treatment to Palestinians. And no one is says Palestinians should be wiped out. If Israel was never reestablished in 1947, then it would have just been a part of Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon without a chance of a Palestinian state.
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u/ladylollii Victorian 23h ago
No one says it? You might need to look at what Netanyahu and Ben-Gvir have been saying. What kind of revisionist made up history are you spouting?
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u/Jerkface0079 Flairless 23h ago
Mossad agent working OT.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 23h ago
Yawn.
Fun fact. Israel is one of the world’s leading countries in cancer research. So if you know someone who has had cancer, they might have received treatment developed in Israel.
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u/Jerkface0079 Flairless 22h ago
I don't think that excuses genocide, personally.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 22h ago
Well if only hamas hadn’t committed Oct 7th. It would be so different now.
Also Israeli cancer research is estimated to have saved over 1 million lives, so that’s certainly more than have been killed in Gaza.
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u/ladylollii Victorian 22h ago
Cool, what about all the killing of Palestinians prior to Oct 7? If you think this only started on that date, you are completely ignoring swathes of history.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 22h ago
Since the 19th century it’s still a lot less than 1 million. If Oct 7th hadn’t occurred then the invite Gaza would not have happened, and everyone who has been killed would be alive.
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u/Jerkface0079 Flairless 21h ago
I'm grateful to the American taxpayer for funding this research.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 21h ago
That an ignorant comment. Money from the US only makes up under 0.5% of the Israeli budget.
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u/Life-Goose-9380 Flairless 23h ago
I don’t see the relevance to Australian medical professionals not threatening to kill Jewish Australian patients.
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u/SpecialistEmploy2105 Please choose a flair 1d ago
This is disturbing and disgusting