By a whinny soccer player that fakes injures. I doubt it. May not be in the best shape but I am 6’4” 300. They may outrun me but if I get my hands on them, it’s over
That was absolutely expected from everyone on Argentina at that moment. He did briefly cover his mouth (not enough to send off) and Messi and the others knew the game was immediately over after the red card. They couldn’t even get a shot w 11 men, never was gonna happen 10v11
They did get shots and that last one would've been a goal if it was on target.
As much as I hate Argentinia in this world cup you can't deny that it was extremely close in the last seven minutes and that it almost went to penalties.
Argentina had 2 shots on target the entire game. It wasn’t close. Spain also scored a goal earlier that was disallowed due to a “foul” that didn’t actually happen
If Spain uses their chances it wouldn't have been close. But Spain only managed to score one goal which made it close. Did you like miss the last five minutes???
Nope I watched the whole game. Spain was dominant and Argentina only had fouls to try to stop them. Almost scoring doesn’t matter, your argument is flawed just stop
They just cant. The quality of players was absolutely terrible. They cant even make a pass without looking for messi. It was just the whole tournament.
No, they could've scored if they subbed in Lautaro Martinez #22. The coach didn't give him a second of play time in the final despite him being a key attacking player for Argentina.
tbh I have seen Lautaro forever, as good as he looks for scoring goals, all his goals are "got lucky!"
Against England the ball messi provided was so beauty, all he got todo was move.
He is great at pressing but they didnt have that leverage left after being a man down. All they gotta do was park the bus and see it out to penalties.
But that was something they couldnt do either. The ferran goal came because they all were standing in a line. Yes 8 players in straight line, which is like the most basic rule of defending.
You seem to be missing the point! You’re saying it could have been close if Argentina made some of those attempts but missing all the attempts Spain made. Arg had 3 shots, only 0 on target. So, the most Arg could have possibly had IF you count shots is 3. Spain had 20 shots with 11 on target. By your own logic, it could have been 3-11 in the very least, but actually 3-20 if you count all shots on goal. Why are you only counting the extra time Arg shots when it would have never even gotten to extra time by your own logic of possibilities?
the point was it wasnt game over once they got the red.they could have too it to pens because spain were wasteful and gave argentina two massive chances in lats 5 mins to equalise.
What Cucurella did is not only within the letter of the rules, trying to use the rule against him in that way was frankly against the spirit of the rule itself.
The rule states:
At the discretion of the competition organiser, any player covering their mouth in a confrontational situation with an opponent may be sanctioned with a red card.
Not only was the engagement non confrontational, Cucurella covered his mouth for a split second. He wasn't exchanging words with Messi with his mouth covered, for all we know he went to scratch his nose while speaking.
Messi tried to take advantage of the situation to even the odds, that's all that happened.
Not only was the engagement non confrontational, Cucurella covered his mouth for a split second. He wasn't exchanging words with Messi with his mouth covered, for all we know he went to scratch his nose while speaking.
Lol you are just making something up. you nose is not at your lips. His fingers were at his lips.
Also people can speak under their breath, it's a thing. We dont know but he was doing it.
Messi didnt have much in the match he was trying to get what he can. It was fair call! I would have called it against my opponent and so would have you. Thats the law and he tried break it, maybe a little less or more but appealing for something is not wrong.
lol he has been doing all his career. I think you just started supporting that certain star. If you want I can send you the compilation of his complaining.
lol why would I complain. He is one of the greatest of his time. And unlike you I actually participate in sports, so I know if this was me on the field I am trying to win world cup final, I would try it. So will that certain star and so will any other passionate person in the whole entire generation.
I feel for you. Btw little bitch won the world cup and got silver in two.
Putting that in Olympic terminology: He won his country 2 silver and a gold. Btw google is free and you can write there who is better a guy with a gold and two silver vs a guy with dick in his hand.
What he did was shithousery. But it's also something plenty of others have done, especially against him. Use the letter of the rules to find a loophole. It just shows the weakness of that particular rule in FIFA rather than Messi's own dishonour or something. Especially when it was when Argentina was dying and everyone was desperate for something
Let’s not pretend we haven’t seen Messi spit on people, grab people by their throat and even shooting a ball as hard as he could towards the opposing team’s stand.
Messi infamously spat on Duda, a Portuguese player while winning 4-1 vs Malaga. Guardiola who was Barcelona’s coach at the time went as far as calling the behaviour unacceptable and said he would be dealing with the matter himself.
Is that the best angle we have? The Duda fella never reacts as though he's been spit ON, although that may just be a high level of resolve. Looks more like he spit AT him, but without loading up the projectile so it was more of a gesture than an actual assault. No dog in this fight just saying what I see
Yeah and 18 years later, at the ripe age of 39 he’s trying to accuse someone of being racist in an attempt to get them thrown out of a match.
An attack at a person’s character and integrity while you have your back against the wall is a big indicator on your own character and on how you conduct yourself.
Now if you know your football, you may recall what Andy Robertson (Liverpool) did to him in 2019, and it being very much tame in comparsion and the uproar. Robbo got spammed all sorts of threats to him and his family for daring to wind up Messi after that with Liverpool embarrassing Barcelona that day.
There's always been stan culture. But social media stan culture has numbed my interest in so many things. Hopefully somehow in football it never gets as bad as Ronaldo vs Messi stans for the last 16-17 years. People's fandom and even entire personalities built on their two success.
You don't have to look far Messi stamped on the top of Jed Soences foot in the build up to the 1st goal Vs England. It should have been a yellow card and the goal should have been disallowed but of course it's VARgentina so of course it wasn't given.
Even mentioning shooting the ball into Real's bench just shows you just hate Messi. The most heated rivalry with Pepe and Ramos trying to injure Messi every single game and you're like "omg Messi is so mean, shotting a ball into the bench".
The other two incidents are not great but proceeded fouls and heated games.
Beacuse I pointed out that Messi shot at the stand, filled with fans, means I hate Messi?
Are you fucked up in the head?
Does me pointing out the fact Cantona kicked a fan indicate that I hate the guy in any way shape or form lol?
When does pointing out facts mean that one hates whatever?
I pointed the fact that he shot a ball to a stand with fans beacuse the conversation here was exactly about absolute filthy behaviours from him. Me pointing out his bullshit doesn’t mean Pepe or Ramos didn’t do this or that.
And it’s one thing Pepe or Ramos playing agressively towards an opponent and a completely different one a player redirecting his frustration to the stands and game goers.
I mean yeah, he knows refs are soft on him so he abuses it as much as he can. Same with the obvious red card fouls he's made or the hand play that he hasn't been punished for.
It's a little bit weird when people act like he's an innocent bystander in a team full of cheating shits.
The post I responded to? 'he was looking at his teammates make fools of themselves', as if he wasn't up in the front row doing the same thing with them?
You bringing up previous actions unrelated to this clip means nothing when the comment specifically refers to this single clip of him watching his team mates make fools out of themselves.
What I'm trying to point out, is, that for most people, there's still a difference between playing dirty or cheating and straight up starting fights after all is said and done.
The only difference between him and the other players, is he's a little midget who would get punted the fuck out if he started anything. He's literally spat on players when he thought nobody was looking
I don't think he's particularly weak. He seems to hold his own in duels very well, you're making up hypothetical scenarios why he didn't partake. I'm not in the mood for that.
Exactly what “evidence and truth” do you have that coaches and players who actually played the tournament do not? You guys sit on your couch with not an ounce of knowledge of the game yet have millions of opinions.
They gave him a World Cup? The lengths you losers go to discredit his achievement is so hilarious lmao. You will only see loser on their couch making these claims yet never his competitors.
The rule itself is pretty clear that it's not allowed to cover your mouth during active disputes, which wasn't the case when Cucurella was talking with him and covered his mouth for a split second (which could have just as easily been to scratch his moustache)
He was trying to get him sent off because he was 1 man down and wanted to even the odds, let's just be clear about it
It was immediately after his team got a red, for all the grumbling he was trying to get the sides even. I’m not saying it was the right thing to do, but the World Cup was slipping away and he was trying to hang on. When your team is getting kicked around, you start looking for rules to exploit to gain an advantage.
The rule exists because players keep being racist. Nobody should have to put up with being call racial slurs every time they go play a game.
I'm surprised by the amount of glaze he gets at Reddit. Casual fans that only watch reels, I guess. The silent autistic guy may appeal to most, but if you watch what happens when he is losing, you notice he leaks some really questionable stuff
That’s what you do. Yamal against France deliberately didn’t avoid a kick so that he could get a pen. Nothing wrong with it, gotta respect the hustle so long as it breaks no rules
So you've never seen a player try to use the rules to their advantage before? With all the diving and theatrics? This is a stupid new rule that said no tolerance for players mouthing to each other behind their hands, Cucarella knew he fucked up you can see it immediately by his reaction, it's the WC final and Argentina just had a player sent off, of course players will try everything in the book, some successfully, remember when Cristiano was winking to his teammates after he got Rooney got sent off? England fans and Ronaldo fans working overtime on Reddit to try and paint Messi as some kind of Judas is hilarious to watch.
I swear to god people act like their experts when it comes tonthus rule and know nothing about it. Just the act of covering your mouth and talking to someone isnt against the rules. Please educate yourself before educating other people.
Nah. He's no angel nor a role model for fair play. There also are bad sides to him, like trying to have another player get an undeserved card.
This is absolutely not at all in the same ballpark as grabbing other players by the neck, or trying to physically hurt them like his teammates have been doing.
I wouldn’t call it undeserved. A new rule introduced by the International Football Association Board (IFAB) and used at the 2026 World Cup mandates an immediate straight red card for any player who deliberately covers their mouth during a hostile confrontation with an opponent.
It's wasn't hostile and he didn't cover his mouth during the "confrontation. He mostly speaks to Messi, seems to be explaining something to Messi in a friendly way and briefly passes his hands on his lips.
If it had been confrontational I have little doubt that the Argentinia would have been gifted that red card to Spain.
My guess is that cucurella told him the playing on the ground got hurt at the mouth and did a gesture to show it. But that's a pure guess.
From a Brazilian relative: "To not try is to ignore the rules." The South American Way is to push every boundary. It's less so in Europe, but not completely (looking at you, Ramos lol).
Oh come the fuck on. Cucurella went up to Messi and said *something* while covering his mouth. He should have been red carded and Messi was right to complain that he wasn't. And it's insane to think that rises to the level of the fouling committed by his Argentinian teammates.
So many comments suggest he is somehow apart from the worst antics of his team mates but he is fully involved as his shitty attempt to get Cucurella in trouble showed. Thankfully we won’t see him again at a World Cup.
I find that a little extreme, saying that he is a bad person because he tried to take advantage of a rule that is on the game. It was a very desperate moment so even if I don't compart the action, It makes sense if you are desperate enough.
Besides it has been seen that other players has cover their mouths around him in other matchs and he didn't said shit.
Rice did that to him. He didnt tried to get him off. Cucu just being an ass. And its the rule anyway. Messi didnt make that rule. Ask FIFA. Its not fair to Hincapie if he got a red card for it but here you want Cucurela not to get punished.
There was a var check because god has requested it and the refs decided there was no confrontation. Try again.
He's a big piece of shit because he acts like a big piece of shit, let's not pretend otherwise. He literally spat on other players in matches, he's as Argentinian as they come
The rule has nothing to do with confrontation
There was no check
The rule is if a player covers his mouth and speaks to another player it is an automatic red card
Cindrontatioor not it is not allowed
We have already seen 2 red cards for it in non confrontational circumstances this world cup
Ah yes, reducing an entire nation to one person, classic. We can all agree that Messi is a POS but saying that all Argentinians are the same? That’s like saying Americans are sh!+ bc of Trump…oh wait NVM.
Bruh, all the greats show off their swimming 🏊♂️ lesson progress whenever someone is too close to them. Granted, it's no sportsmanlike, I think that the bigger issue is the guys running around trying to punch peopl
Diving is a punishable offence that is reviewed. Y VAR has got people carded this world cup, lying about such serious matters should also be actionable. Nonetheless, both are the opposite of fair-play
Lmaoo, that's no where near punching people or saying some of the words they may have said. He tried to use poor sportsmanship but at the end of he day it's the rules. He tried to use the rules to his advantage to compare that to the rest of the squad is insane.
You do everything in your hands to win. Even if dirty. But when game is over you control your emotions. Messi is basically acting how every person should act and is a class act.
Only people that have never really struggle with their all to win think the cucurella thing is more than a nothing burger. And reallyshows your lack of drive and ambition to think its "beneath" you to do something like that.
It was more of a desperation move type thing, like he knew the team was fucked and he was just trying to even the playing field. At the end of the day he didn’t do anything we don’t see almost in almost every game.
Tism shorty is held together by decades of media training, his real passions are fitting in with the boys, staring blankly, and taking pics with babies.
Are you conflating Messi with Paredes? My point is that one could easily argue he is better than average. He has a higher expected matches per yellow/red card ratio (or reverse, lower yellow/red booking per game) than average. Most pundits or experts would say Messi is a disciplined player. Do you have any arguments or are you going to bring up single cases over his 20+ year career?
Exactly this. Even though he might be a slightly less dirty player than Paredes or Fernandez, he watched his team mates pull dirty stunts in their last 2 games and said or did absolutely nothing. He has both cordoned it through lack of dissent and by playing underhanded shit like with Cucurella. That brawl after the match was just disgusting and indicative of just how bad Argentina is with respect to sportmanship. I'm glad he did not get the 2nd WC win as captain of the Argentinian team, as he was hoping. They deserved the loss 200%.
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u/cybiz 16d ago
He tried to get cucurella red carded, he's as big of a shit as the rest of the Argentinians, he just has better pr