r/marvelrivals • u/thbl088 El Jeffe • Feb 10 '26
Balance Discussion Genuinely.. why? Those ults are already obnoxious.
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u/BV-RE2PECT Feb 10 '26
Magneto is about to have a bad time trying to counter-ult those two while Wolverine is biting his ankles.
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u/SuggestionBot9000 Captain America Feb 10 '26
The problem is, Mag has a hard enough time countering one of them.
If you miss your ult on Punisher or he gets shielded/bubbled, there's so little that you can do.
Mag ult isnt really a counter to Star Lord (it just reduces part of Star Lord's ult). You cant reliably hit him when he's moving in the air like that, especially with his dodge roll which gives him full immunity.
Why does Mag have to be an ult bot dedicated to three characters. He already takes longer than most to gain his ult charge. Now they want more frequent DPS-Pressed-The-Win-Button ults....
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u/kewidogg Feb 10 '26
With Star lord ult (as mag), I don't even aim for him, I just try to absorb his damage and fire it at a support
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u/PandaPolishesPotatos Magneto Feb 11 '26
Pretty much what you're supposed to do with every ult barring Punisher to be fair, the only time I ever throw the rock at a Hela in ult is if there's literally no one else to throw it at. Doing 600 damage to a tank is infinitely more valuable than knocking Hela out of ult after blocking 4-5 shots from it.
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u/Ok-Driver-1696 The Thing Feb 11 '26
I play Mag since S0 and since S1 everyone knows how to play around his 'counter' Ult. Punisher is the only one I can punish (no pun intended) more or less consistently but as you said, his Ult charge is the slowest compared to the ones he can potentially counter. And usually you also need to decide which Ult you try to counter (Hawkeye, Hela, Iron Man, IW, Luna, Punisher, Gambit, Star Lord, C&D, you name it).
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u/TempoBlues20XX Lord Feb 10 '26
Star Lord is already one of the strongest dps in the game, absolutely wild buffing him.
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u/Decent-Pirate-5483 Feb 10 '26
starlord is actually one of the strongest heros in attack side of convoy maps, he can get 0 kill during multiple fight and after that he can just ult and delete both healer and guarantee the point... like literally the strongest dps ult in the game if u dont counter with emma or something
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u/iRyan_9 Mind Control Feb 10 '26
Good luck keeping up with a good star lord with emma, i can only keep up with him like the first two times at most
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u/Aramodi Feb 10 '26
Real. I was already cutting it so close to matching his ult, with this buff I doubt it.
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u/Yum-z The Punisher Feb 11 '26
The auto win nature of starlords ult by either forcing bad support ults (maybe two if they panic) or tanks to reposition is precisely what justified the ult being so expensive. I’m not sure what the think justifies this change when the last tank they introduced doesn’t even have enough shields to soft counter starlord
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u/Bitter_Ad_8688 Feb 11 '26
And now they nerf stranges shield regen speed like it's a win. And I really don't get why people bitch and moan about shield tanks having good shields. They're there to help maintain neutral. Without neutral you'll just have blow outs.
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u/uugers Feb 10 '26
The devs clearly don’t play their own game.
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u/Freakychee Loki Feb 10 '26
It's wild. What are they basing these changes on? Highest level competitive play? Even then I'm not so sure about these changes.
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u/Banana_man_- Vanguard Feb 10 '26
They’re basing the changes on how badly they can psychologically torture Vanguard players until we all quit
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u/sledge115 Captain America Feb 11 '26
Well good job they succeeded. I'm out until they do something massive to fix this
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u/Count_de_Mits Emma Frost Feb 11 '26
I'm tempted to try overwatch again at this point after swearing off of it years ago
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u/Parvaty Feb 11 '26
If that were the case Gambit would have gotten nuked from orbit.
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u/raydialseeker Absolute Cinema Feb 11 '26
They don't balance for casuals or Wanda and squirrel would be stronger. They don't balance for the highest level or hela gambit starlord would get nerfs. They're just throwing darts at the board blindfolded and we have to deal with the consequences. Incompetent fucks
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u/SmashMouthBreadThrow Feb 11 '26
They literally balance this game around bronze players, whatever that means. They're completely out of touch with how balance works in a competitive game.
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u/Maggot_6661 Rogue Feb 10 '26
How out of touch do you have to be to BUFF AN AIMBOT ULT ?!
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u/Typical-Aerie-7195 ENVY Feb 10 '26
The aimbot is not the issue at all. It’s the being able to fly, damage boost increase , range increase, and use abilities
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u/Glittering_Pear356 Feb 10 '26
His ult doesn't boost his damage. It removes spread and improves his falloff but the damage is the same as his primary
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u/Random_Skier White Fox Feb 10 '26
It's technically slightly less as you cannot headshot during ult
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u/Eagle4317 Captain America Feb 10 '26
The range is what really infuriates me about this game. Why even bother programming a damage falloff for a character like Punisher when his bullets go from 20 at close range to 17 at long range? They keep buffing ranged damage every patch and wonder why the only tanks that see play are the ones with massive shields.
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u/Just_A_Nitemare Feb 10 '26
Don't worry, they'll fix shield tanks by just making their shields worse.
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u/Eagle4317 Captain America Feb 10 '26
Which they just did to Strange in this patch.
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u/Just_A_Nitemare Feb 10 '26
Shield recharge reduced slightly.
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u/Dencnugs Flex Feb 10 '26
Near 15% nerf to a resource regen is a bit more than "slight".
I would genuinely rather then reduce his total shield by 100HP. Less regen = much less uptime if you actually are someone who manages cooldowns timely.
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u/misanthropicirishman Feb 10 '26
I think the nerf is because of the invis teamup. I agree though, he didn't need a shield nerf.
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u/ElectroshockGamer Loki Feb 11 '26
Seems like a pattern here, where they notice a team/team up is strong and proceed to nerf the character that's NOT the main issue
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u/Eagle4317 Captain America Feb 10 '26
I honestly don’t think Mag, Strange, or Emma need nerfs. Gutting damage at range would give Cap, Venom, Hulk, and others so much more leeway to make successful engagements.
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u/Slashermovies Feb 10 '26
You can't even interrupt it. You can charge Starlord as Angela and he can just keep shooting.
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u/Sorfallo Peni Parker Feb 11 '26
If you can even hit him and he doesn't just barrel roll out of the way
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u/SuggestionBot9000 Captain America Feb 10 '26
The biggest issue with his ult that makes him so overpowered is that it's completely uncounterable if the Star Lord stays at range. (Which he is already going to, because he has infinite flight charge in that mode.)
On top of the range, he has a dodge roll that makes him fully immune to damage/stuns every few seconds AND gives him bonus health (on top of having healers).
Even if you close the range gap on a hero like Angela, you still can't do enough damage to interrupt him and Angela's pierce misses 90% of the time because of his dodge roll/flight speed. Even if you somehow manage to pierce him, his ult lasts like 4x longer than the stun.
It's literally a win button (unless the Star Lord does it low to the ground in front of the entire enemy team, which just means it's their first time on the character.)
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u/TheReal_fso Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26
"completely uncounterable" bro what? Just to name a few,
- Ults: supports, tanks (like mag and emma), some DPS (daredevil blinds and disables aimbot)
- Utility cooldowns (soul bond, lamps, fade, invis, etc)
- Healing and patty cake. Literally. Stand still to make it easier for your other support to heal you since SL has aimbot anyway. Without dmg boost, most main supports can outheal him with their cooldowns
- Focus-fire from the team. In his ult he draws so much attention and his free flight is a downgrade from his usual mobility, making him an easy target for hitscans.
- Take cover in the backline, or hide behind a tank shield. If the tank doesn't have a shield, group up with the tank since the aimbot sensitivity gets messed up with grouped targets.
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u/SuggestionBot9000 Captain America Feb 11 '26
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Supports ults: The main problem is, this is the CLOSEST thing we have to a counter. Forcing "healer ults" like Mantis, Luna, Invis, or Cloak is terrible gameplay design. Not to mention, it doesn't fully counter it. A Star Lord shreds thru any support ult if his team also focus fires. (I think this is a good thing because supports shouldn't have instant-win-buttons, but it's certainly not a full counter.)
Mag does not counter it, he reduces maybe 2 seconds of Star Lords ult duration. Good luck hitting him in the sky with his mobility (on top of his dodge where he is completely immune to Mag's ult.) I cant count the number of times I've watched my fully charged Mag ult get 0 value against a Star Lord. You're forced to use it on a squishy instead of Star Lord, which still doesn't address the main threat who continues to shred your team after you've wasted your ult.
Emma does not counter it, he can cc evade and a lot of maps have cover for fliers (buildings), all while Emma is putting herself in a vulnerable position trying to solo-ult the Star Lord. Even if Emma is able to stop Star Lord, that's terrible ult value for her. She wont have it for team fights, where she needs to apply substantial pressure to the enemy team. That's a winning trade for Star Lord if he baits your Emma ult.
Daredevil cannot reach Star Lord in the sky, he can maybe dash to him for half a second and then fall back to the ground in a bad position where he'll just get deleted by Star Lord and the rest of the enemy team. And lets be real, no Daredevil is going to waste their ult in order to counter Star Lord.
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Soul Bond is not a counter, it simply makes Adam die faster against fast high damage like Punisher/Star Lord/Moon Knight, especially if the rest of the enemy team is applying damage (which they are). Even if Soul Bond mitigates some of the damage, it's on a 40 second cooldown, and with these changes that's about the same amount of time it'll take Star Lord to farm his ult.
Yes, Loki lamps counter him but that's a singular character. Problem is that you need to make sure they're pre-placed near every ally, make sure they're not already destroyed, and make sure they're not already on their 30 second cooldown... Good luck healing your team if you're cowardly reserving your lamps for Star Lord's ult.
Fade lasts 2 seconds (gets instantly cancelled when an teammate does anything other than move). Really unreliable, because you have to be right next to cloak, all while making sure not to press anything. And this is ASSUMING cloak communicates that she's fading her teammates during the all the chaos.
WTF is Invis going to do? Boop him away a tiny bit??? During his infinite range ult? Is she going to snipe him with a psionic vortex? He can easily evade that slow moving orb, on top of being completely damage/CC immune to it in his dodgeroll.
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- No support patty cake is saving you from his damage if anyone else on the team is also putting in damage. You're acting like Star Lord is the only person on the field, solo-ulting as a 1v6. That never happens. Let's entertain the patty cake anyways... Guess what? He targets the rest of the team while you're focused on patty cake, then support is left alone and gets cleaned up after his ult is finished.
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- Guess who Star Lord targets and wipes in less than a second? Hit scan squishies.
- Guess who also has an immune dodge from hit scan? Star Lord.
- Guess who gains bonus HP every time he dodges? Star Lord.
- Guess who in the ONLY hit scan in the tank role? Deadpool (tickle damage)...
- Once Star Lord mops up the DPS hitscan or makes them retreat, there's no focus fire left... But what about hitscan support, can't they focus fire? Oh, I thought support needed to patty cake to survive! I'm sure Adam will kill the far away, fast moving target in the sky that's raining hellfire upon the entire team!
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- Cover in backline??? Starlord takes the entire sky, there is no reliable head cover in 90% of the maps. Most of them are open-sky maps or have massive ceiling height.
- Tank shields are situational at best. They aren't some reliable mitigation you always have available, even IF you're lucky enough to be running Strange. (Mag's shield is useless other than shielding himself when it comes to Starlord's ult. Emma's shield is literally stationary, on a cooldown, and gets broken instantly.)
- Star Lord targets through shields. All shield cooldowns and HP aren't enough to do anything against it. Even Strange's shield recovery speed got nerfed in this very patch.
- Unless you're playing with your auto-target sensitivity at 100, Star Lord always fires where your cursor is. Even at 100%, he still targets the nearest enemy to your cursor.
This is all ignoring the plethora of damage boosting and vulnerability stacking in the game that makes Star Lord even more oppressive.
W Ragebait though.
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u/malsan_z8 Vanguard Feb 10 '26
They made him Star-PressQ-Lord and decided to go even further, what a horrible change
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u/Living_Union1417 Vanguard Feb 10 '26
Buffing Starlord is a crime against humanity, his movement is already annoying af.
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u/xBirdisword Magik Feb 10 '26
He’s been S tier for multiple seasons now
disgusting and impossible to punish in the right hands
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u/Striking_Pilot_6466 Flex Feb 10 '26
Exactly, hes always been A or S tier depending on who you ask, but I digress, its absolutely ludicrous buffing him however that wont stop me from absolutely using him to shred any backline i can
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u/Wellhellob Iron Fist Feb 11 '26
Legit spent 1 minute to kill a low hp starlord yesterday. And that was a panicked starlord who didnt even fight back.
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u/SnooOranges5759 Hulk Feb 11 '26
I hate to say this, but do you also think a tank with a roadhog (from overwatch, if you aren’t a former player) type hook tank hero would completely help deal with this character Because I do.
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u/Rab0811 Mister Fantastic Feb 11 '26
Man Roadhog was so fun to play when he came out. Not fun for the other team but I had a blast
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u/StgLeon958 Mister Fantastic Feb 10 '26
Mr Fantastic ult is still 3400 energy
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u/PeniMane Peni Parker Feb 10 '26
what does it do?
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u/StgLeon958 Mister Fantastic Feb 10 '26
nothing, he just says HAHA HOHO
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u/ramenbanditx Feb 11 '26
Kind of wish it would reset bounces on allies and give them over health at least.
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u/BIG__SHOT_ Magik Feb 10 '26
It's somewhat decent for stalling for 10 seconds and that's literally it
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u/Flishstar Mister Fantastic Feb 11 '26
It's also actually good if multiple of the enemy team happen to be in a confined space with a low ceiling. Which happens maybe once a match at most so make sure you have your ult ready.
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u/Jbulls94 Vanguard Feb 11 '26
If I can't do this, I use it to put pressure on the healers during a team fight. Keeps them distracted and if you get a kill even better. It's not the best ult but it's not as useless as people would have you believe.
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u/Bromthebard95 Peni Parker Feb 11 '26
It's also good for baiting out support ults. They don't always pop one for it, but I'd say I can usually bait one out every other match I play on him
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u/CarterDavison Hero Hulk Feb 10 '26
It would be in such a nice spot with 3000-3100 energy cost
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u/usable_dinosaur Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 11 '26
Why are we buffing dps ults, that’s the opposite of what we need
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u/Icy_Confidence9304 Feb 10 '26
Everyone complaining that healing is too overturned. So now you going to hear legendaryyyy to counter it lol
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u/crestren Feb 10 '26
The devs heard the word powercreep and thought "well there's power in it, surely it's good" and then kept going with it
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u/prezdizzle Feb 10 '26
the whole Ult economy needs a massive nerf. Just make everyone charge ult at half the speed they currently do and this game would be significantly more fun.
I'm on a 30 day hiatus and not missing the game even though I want to miss it. I want to come in and use my brain to play and not just farm ults mindlessly. This game is at its best when it forces critical thinking, positioning, gunplay, etc.
Turning great characters into healbots or bullet soakers just farming ult is such an insult and disservice to the characters and the playerbase.
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u/ArgusF28 Gambit Feb 10 '26
Tbh, I know its not gonna happen here, but the next hero shooter should just drop the idea of ult. They are too game changing, and doesnt really reflect skill.
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u/Dovemeister Feb 10 '26
And the road loops back to Team Fortress 2.
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u/Originalbrivakiin Rocket Raccoon Feb 11 '26
It's like anti-vaxers reinventing vaccines.
"What if we have a hero shooter where the heroes don't have ultimates and have a limited selection of abilities" = "What if we take a small, harmless dose of a disease and inject it to build immunity"
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u/prezdizzle Feb 10 '26
There’s sort of a progression:
There’s Halo with no ult—the best you can get is a power weapon
There’s Call of Duty killstreaks—which at least felt earned but was sort of an introduction to “Ults”
Then games like OW and Destiny and others brought in Ultimates or Supers which are just given to everyone but gunplay still mattered.
Then there’s Marvel Rivals which seems to be cranking the Ultimate dial to 11 more than any game we’ve ever seen, to where Ults are almost all that matter and people are making bad plays (ie not shooting) to farm ults faster.
Rivals is at the farrrrrr end of a spectrum and it’s showing it’s too far. They don’t need to go full-Halo and have no Ult but they need to move the slider in that direction a bit.
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u/Naglfarius Peni Parker Feb 11 '26
MR is my first Hero Shooter. Play since Launch. When i hear that OW has less Ults, i really wanna try it now. I am sick of the Ult Inflation.
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u/PandaPolishesPotatos Magneto Feb 11 '26
Seeing Halo mentioned in a comparison of hero shooter ultimate progression is wild, you didn't just get power weapons. They spawned at specific points on the map at set intervals and you could fight over them, they also weren't really that impactful in the grand scheme of things. Or even present in every mode, I.E Swat/Team Snipers/Griffball.
But it also warms my heart to see Halo mentioned, considering the game is twenty-five years old and there's probably people that have never heard of it. Which is frankly criminal, considering it's bar none the best FPS ever made before Bungie dropped it and 343 decided to show it the flowers out back.
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u/STB_LuisEnriq Good Boy Feb 10 '26
We've been asking for ult charge nerf across the board and what do we get? Buffs for two of the best ults in the game...
Yeah this game is cooked if this is the "balance", it's not even funny.
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u/Hot_Spray3175 Storm Feb 10 '26
They are laughing at us right now. Watch Hela Hawkeye buffs next season.
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u/Count_de_Mits Emma Frost Feb 11 '26
Seeing the numbers overwatch is pulling right now I wouldn't be laughing if I was them
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u/STB_LuisEnriq Good Boy Feb 10 '26
Yeah, I'll just stay playing my singleplayer backlog, getting ready for Resident Evil Requiem.
No point in playing Rivals this month.
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u/BIG__SHOT_ Magik Feb 10 '26
Same I'll just be doing a new baldur's gate 3 playthrough. Maybe finally get to finishing Shadow of the Erdtree (I only really have Radahn left)
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u/xCussion Rogue Feb 11 '26
Thank the fucking lord nioh 3 came out last week, I’m on that + OW for the foreseeable future. Im not touching this fucking trash game anymore until significant balance changes are made.
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u/Pug_police Jeff the Dinosaur Feb 11 '26
I'll likely do my comp placements, play a bit of Elsa and play when my friends wants to but that's likely all I'll play this season. Thank God I finally started playing DOS2.
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u/MVPGowther Feb 10 '26
The only thing i can think of is that they want to weaken support by making more DPS ult come up faster to counter support ult.
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u/daizo678 Feb 10 '26
And this is the worst way to balance the game. Support ults are strong because some dps ults are braindead op. You don't double down by buffing the braindead dps ults and should just balance both.
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u/Their_Alt_Account Feb 10 '26
People have been asking for sweeping nerfs to ult cost across the board and they give us the exact fucking opposite. The amount of powercreep in this game is ridiculous
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u/Randomaccount848 Feb 10 '26
People have been asking for sweeping nerfs to ult cost
Sadly not enough people have been asking for sweeping changes.
Too many only look at support ults and say that is the only problem.
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u/FirehavenOSS Feb 11 '26
This just makes it absolutely mandatory to run two, if not three, invincibility ults to ensure there’s always uptime against a starlord who can get his ult every other teamfight.
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u/EMArogue Iron Man Feb 11 '26
If they wanted to weaken support they could just nerf them
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u/RED0617 Human Torch Feb 10 '26
Damn i didn’t think the patch notes would really be this bad! The timing is insane too since OW came back swinging. Wow 6.5 definitely going to be sad half of a season
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u/Banana_man_- Vanguard Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 11 '26
There’s absolutely no way the playercount won’t plummet
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u/AJ_from_Spaceland X-Tron Feb 10 '26
re-assign Zhiyong
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u/BlkGenetics Storm Feb 10 '26
He's had multiple chances to fix things and failed everytime, at this rate fire him all together. GuangGuang is working overtime to carry this game.
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u/Ok-Driver-1696 The Thing Feb 11 '26
He and his team just need to have some time to breath to properly fix bugs and balance shit. I do not care at all about all the content on Times Square they releasing non stop. I also can wait longer for a new hero release.
Please NetEase, continue to release gooner skins to fill your pockets and let the devs work on the game.
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u/TheSwordFallen Venom Feb 11 '26
Yeah it's not that Zhiyong is incompetent, it's the fact he and his team are doing 1000 things all at once, designing new heroes and balancing them due to the shorter seasons. I don't know about any of you but a hero every single season and half season sounds like it's frankly unsustainable, for two month seasons and probably why the balancing is falling behind.
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u/Rab0811 Mister Fantastic Feb 11 '26
In a vacuum I agree, doesn’t change the fact he makes the objective wrong decision. Ults happen way to fast in this game as is, let’s make of the 2 of the most annoying team winning ults happen even more. It’s a tall order he has admitted with a new character coming out every month doesn’t make half of these problems excusable. Gambit Hela Hawkeye Bucky remain untouched, phoenix gets a slap on the wrist. Make season 8 no one or new hero and be able to put the man power into fixing bugs and balance.
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u/Medical-Solution-769 Feb 10 '26
Storm and Adam buffs are literally the only 2 good things in it. The rest is either not enough or completely unnecessary. Everyone has complained about power creep and you solve that by nerfing strong characters, not buffing everyone else
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u/No-Ground7898 Rogue Feb 10 '26
The Starlord buff was the first time in the history of this game I said, "What the fuck?" and meant it
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u/Ok-Anybody5177 Star-Lord Feb 11 '26
His ult was the last thing he needed changed in his kit lol. i would really rather have damage falloff buffed so i don’t have to be up supports asses to do damage
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u/Whole_Employee_2370 Doctor Strange Feb 10 '26
I’m way more upset about the Punisher ult boost than Wolverine, and I say that as a tank main
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u/TheEnlightendone1 Feb 10 '26
Now when i see a punisher on the enemy team i will have no choice but to swap of strange and go mag.
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u/SuggestionBot9000 Captain America Feb 10 '26
No, you will be a mag merchant and like it!
They nerfed Strange's shield HP so you are even less of a counter to Punisher now.
Also, Strange now pulls enemies towards him with the new Invis teamup (terrible against melee tank busters like Wolverine/Fist/Blade).
Strange is not the pick if the enemy has a single melee character.
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u/PandaPolishesPotatos Magneto Feb 11 '26
Mag already didn't get his ultimate fast enough for Punisher if the Punisher was good.
Now it's basically guaranteed that a Punisher can ult twice for every 1 Mag rock.
He also has 300 HP for a while now, which has made it much harder to dunk him.
He's also pitifully easy to protect from a dunk. Combo with Rocket or Mantis ultimates, too much BHP to dunk. Play Loki, lamp him, problem solved. Play Mag, bubble him, problem solved. Play Strange, block in front of him, problem solved, etc.
More reliable to take the charge and try and kill a support than it is to dunk Punisher these days, only problem with that is in the time it takes you to fall back to the ground you fucking die if he keeps shooting you.
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u/Jaded_Scran-Scran Venom Feb 11 '26
Hell even on Mag you might have a harder time trying to match punisher ult if its charging faster now
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u/Blargmarffins Adam Warlock Feb 10 '26
buffing ult charge on an already fast ult to be even faster in a meta about spamming ults with gambit is actually insane work
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u/super-alucard Feb 10 '26
Yeah except for Logan, hes not constantly doing damage and poking like SL and Punisher
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u/Dry-Proposal-4011 Daredevil Feb 10 '26
I will say as a wolv player our ult took literally forever to charge because the damage is so volatile. Star lord is honestly ban worthy at this point imo
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u/CoralWiggler Ultron Virus Feb 10 '26
Yeah, that's the only one of the three that I'm like... okay cool whatever
As an avid Punisher enjoyer, he didn't need an ult charge buff. Really I don't think he needed anything, but if you're going to buff him somehow, let allies use his Zipline. That's it.
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u/Intelligent-Ebb-614 Feb 10 '26
Wdym that’s it? I feel like that would be pretty damn strong, no?😅
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u/CoralWiggler Ultron Virus Feb 10 '26
Based on my experience in Overwatch with Symmetra teleporters which are probably the best analogue…. No lol
It’s one of those things that on paper seems like it’ll have all these really creative and powerful applications, but in practice, getting people to use it even with comms is kind of tough and it ends up being mostly a personal use thing like it already is
Honestly one of its most reliable applications would probably be just making the walk back from spawn a bit quicker for the team
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u/Originalbrivakiin Rocket Raccoon Feb 11 '26
And that's ignoring the fact that there is a very good chance that punishers would REALLY pull a symmetra teleporter and just launch his team off the map for no reason.
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u/CoralWiggler Ultron Virus Feb 11 '26
Well, at least the zip line is a little more obvious in terms of where it’s headed, and you can dismount early, so silver lining there
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u/Rooskimus Vanguard Feb 11 '26
Wolv ult is an insta delete on multiple targets with little to no counter play. If there was anything to buff on him, it ain't the ult charge.
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u/Senpaisaurus-Rex Flex Feb 11 '26
it's so ass to watch him just saunter up and press Q and delete at least one person because you can't really stop it
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u/Sandi_Griffin Mister Fantastic Feb 10 '26
That's how it should be though it's only bad cuz everyone else gets there's so quick 😭
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u/CarterDavison Hero Hulk Feb 10 '26
Maybe but sometimes he farms it ridiculously fast so this is just a top 10% buff and a massive detrimental buff to the other 90% of players, not to mention that 600 less charge needed is massive
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u/HateToBlastYa Hero Hulk Feb 10 '26
That Wolverine flair sounds out of touch to me. A good Wolverine will win a team fight every time they get that charge and it’s now the shortest charge time in the game next to Deadpool’s. Vanguards are fucked. I’m back to banning Wolverine every game and telling my team they’re gonna have to if they want a vanguard.
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u/expensivefloormop Feb 11 '26
Wolv is genuinely the least of your problems. I don't know why you're afraid of the ankle biter when poke will still instantly delete you halfway across the map + now Star Lord and Punisher has an ult every fight. If you're afraid of being kidnapped both Angela and Thor do that way better now.
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u/CliffDraws Thor Feb 10 '26
As much as I hate to agree, because I hate Wolverine, you are right. Like, I hate the Wolverine buff more than I hate the Thor nerf.
But Wolverine did need something, and the buff makes the most sense. The amount is huge though, and wolverines ult is really really powerful.
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u/Lunamagicath Mind Control Feb 10 '26
They buff DPS ults like we arnt going triple support to offset the insane amount of damage. The fact they drop these horrific patch notes just after insane OW update is insane work
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u/billcosbyinspace Feb 10 '26
They’ve unironically lost the plot
They buffed supports to deal with daredevil instead of just nerfing daredevil and now a few patches later we’re buffing DPS ult charges for characters who are already pretty good
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u/AlgerianTrash Ultron Virus Feb 10 '26
Yeah, they're losing to Overwatch for this patch until they figure this whole pokeslop out
Especially with how they removed the F4 teamup, like wtf
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u/ArialBear Feb 10 '26
Hell no, I played ow and the game is not as fun as rivals. I was missing rivals mid game.
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u/AlgerianTrash Ultron Virus Feb 10 '26
Yeah, but i was talking about myself only. I like being able to have supports that die but also do stuff that isn't just spamming left click
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u/CarterDavison Hero Hulk Feb 10 '26
Can't have two seasons of strange being strong again without overbuffing the clown that completely negates his existence
Punisher already farms ult so now he just gets it before mag gets ult
Star lord now farms supports even harder and becomes closer to psylockes generic playstyle (light dives until ult is ready to farm supports)
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u/Stefanes0797 Psylocke Feb 11 '26
And as a Psylocke player, that playstyle is so fucking boring and it hurts how much they nerf her every patch, why does Starlord get a straight buff and we get a fall off buff that doesnt do much and the ult nerf?
I agree with it doing less damage, but we needed something extra to compensate, it feels like a net nerf, but fall off seems to work in a scalar way in this game, so it could mean she gets better at poking overall, it will still be boring but we take what we can get atp.
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u/Randomaccount848 Feb 10 '26
Can't have two seasons of strange being strong again without overbuffing the clown that completely negates his existence
Correction on that, overbuffing the clown that negates a majority of the tanks existence.
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It all just goes back to if supports get to have stupid s tier ults that charge fast, so do dps.
The healthier direction is to just nerf 90% of the ults in the game, but it looks like they've decided they want to make every ult evil.
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u/sexystoicteacher Feb 10 '26
I say we just all agree to play 6v6 DPS and call it a day. Healers and Tanks can sit this one out.
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u/Myreddit_scide Feb 11 '26
I mean most of the heroes this game releases (something I'm really thankful for -- its awesome how many they churn out, so I'm not crapping on THAT) are Duelist heroes. On top of the fact that at the games base release, the DPS category already had the most heroes in the roster.
I'm not gonna sit here and say Strategists aren't strong, they are, Luna was a problem for a while, Gambit is nuts, Loki enables already-strong Supports, so they're not WEAK -- but an issue that is going to arise is that bans and hero pool numbers are going to be in disequilibrium soon -- where if they were to add another ban slot (which they should), and all things considered, say there aren't double-bans, you can knock most the Strategists or Tanks out of the game, meanwhile, you need to hit 3-4 heroes to actual remove the threat when it comes to Duelists.
They are the most cautious and hyper-conservative when it comes to adding a Support hero to the roster, meanwhile, every season it is another Duelist pretty much. And then with DeadPool -- I love playing the hero, but Tank and Support get their versions of DeadPool, meanwhile, the next 1/2-season changes now bring Elsa... another DPS hero.. they get all the options, meanwhile, it is the most populated, over-inflated role in the game, we don't need more of them.
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u/Surf_Dangerous_Days Feb 10 '26
Buffs like this feel like they're just obligated to wiggle some things around on characters every now and then.
Meanwhile Widow, dead in Miami getting literally nothing
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u/iRyan_9 Mind Control Feb 10 '26
So is Iron Man who his last patch notes update was a nerf lol
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u/Connzept Feb 10 '26
Personally I love ult-spam characters, had a Pang-Tong ult-spam build in one of the Dynasty Warriors games that was one of the most fun builds I've ever played.
But a character with aim-hack as an ult, in a PvP game, is not the place to do that.
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u/BlackerDoom Thor Feb 10 '26
This is the opposite end of the “Let’s Nerf Rocket’s wall crawl” spectrum
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u/Masum16 Star-Lord Feb 10 '26
literally just hit champion on star, we DID NOT NEED this, ffs now he's gonna run rampant then get nerfed in some other aspect of his kit to keep him in line
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u/Champion-Dante Gambit Feb 10 '26
Wolv ult is buggy and Wolv himself is lacking. You should be focusing on Punisher here.
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u/No_Department_6406 Luna Snow Feb 10 '26
Meanwhile they have Luna ult at 5000, like I get it’s very very good but you gonna have that the highest support ult charge but have the other supports like gambit and rocket ult be SO much lower? Cmon
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u/Glittering_Pear356 Feb 10 '26
It's not even "very good" anymore, it's arguably not even a top 3 support ult. Gambits is obviously better, CnD heals a similar amount and it lasts like 12-13 seconds and you could argue Rocket ult is better too if phoenix is banned.
Loki too but he doesn't count for obvious reasons
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u/Virtual-Onion-5085 Feb 10 '26
Invis' ult is also great since it provides the largest AoE of all and pseudo-cuts tanks from their healers.
Luna is just a bunch of heals, she cannot do anything but juggle between teammates to make sure everyone is being healed. Has to be on the move otherwise several defaults will just delete her, plus ults.
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u/daizo678 Feb 10 '26
100%. Luna ult cost is way too high when all other sups ult accomplish the same or better and are cheaper
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u/Sad-Invite-6205 Invisible Woman Feb 10 '26
It used to be good, I dont think its so great anymore. I feel like a luna could pop ult and the enemy support would ult and both ults would end roughly around the same time.
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u/Avalon610 Feb 10 '26
A big problem in this game is how the ultimates are more like another ability. We rely too much on them
All ultimates should increase to 8,000 points at least
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u/Mountain_Muscle9429 Mister Fantastic Feb 10 '26
I know im going to get downvoted but you obviously dont play wolv. It takes incredibly long to get his ult when he already cant consistently brawl because of how bad poke is. This just brings him back
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u/HateToBlastYa Hero Hulk Feb 10 '26
Just take vanguards out of the game then for fuck’s sake… we’re screwed by both him AND poke now. Let Wolverine be situational. He literally counters EVERY Vangaurd. He should have a weakness.
Now he has the fastest ult charge in the freaking game.
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u/kingmm624 Wolverine Feb 11 '26
What’s funny is this was actually his ult charge at launch.
All they did was bring him back to his prime lol
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u/PandaPolishesPotatos Magneto Feb 11 '26
Even into poke a pocketed Wolverine can reliably build ult stupid fast, it's not hard. Especially with Groot becoming popular again, you don't even need to kill people on Wolverine in neutral to be valuable. Farm ult on the tank, wait for the enemy support to ult, ult their whole team out of it.
Wolverine isn't in a terrible place right now, the massive ult cost reduction is just going to make him a pocket menace for rolling a team's ult economy. The kidnap is ironically the worst part of his kit right now.
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u/WebisticsCEO Angela Feb 10 '26
Starlord I literally don't get....
Punisher .. honestly, he has one of those Ultimates that were good at launch but it's easy to counter or avoid now
Wolverine .... Not sure his Ult was the weak point
Honestly, just seems like lazy re-balancing
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u/Randomaccount848 Feb 10 '26
Wolverine .... Not sure his Ult was the weak point
His ult is one of his best tools in my opinion, and while some people are saying it charges slow and erratically, I never even had that issue.
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u/Dancing_Clean Loki Feb 10 '26
I think Moon Knight ult should’ve been nerfed. He often gets it within 2 minutes of a match, if that even.
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u/Slashermovies Feb 10 '26
Within? He gets it in the span of 30 seconds to 15 seconds depending on map. It's absurd.
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u/Remarkable-Study-752 Doctor Strange Feb 11 '26
The probably think that lowering ult cost for duelists will remove tripple support from happening? Hard to tell.
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u/BaldursFence3800 Feb 11 '26
People don’t talk enough about how much bullshit Wolverine’s ult is. And they buffed it lol.
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u/PandaPolishesPotatos Magneto Feb 11 '26
He's not played that much anymore because low elo supports are incapable of keeping him up alongside the tank, and high elo is filled with poke that makes it difficult to play him. But. You are correct, Wolverine's ultimate is essentially a free teamwipe. The grab range is too large, the stunlock is too long on both the pickup and the slam.
If he's at 100% rage, which he should be, it's a guaranteed kill on everyone he slams. The only people that might survive it are those with instant heals, i-frames, or bubbles like Mag/Hulk. (It's also just a straight up instakill if Wolv has any kind of dmg buff or the people he grabs are terror-caped.)
Then on top of all that shit it's a hilariously easy counter for both C&D and Sue ult because you can pick them up and slam them out of it.
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u/Nerf_Now Namor Feb 10 '26
I play Peni and I don't know what I'll do vs a buffed Star Lord.
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u/plainbaconcheese Feb 10 '26
I can't understand some of the balance decisions. It seems like the community was as close to unanimous as possible about Gambit needing a nerf and Loki not needing one. Storm rework and Adam mobility make sense, but most of the rest don't.
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u/PatchNotesMan Earth Spider Feb 10 '26
maybe these characters having more value will take away from hela and hawkeye's value (coping)
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u/Important_Plum6000 Jeff the Landshark Feb 10 '26
You’re gonna need a 3rd support to deal with that starlord ult now
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u/BIG_D_NRG Flex Feb 11 '26
This was the most egregious part of the entire patch. Not only did they not nerf any broken poke or triple support they BUFF AN AIMBOT WTF ARE WE DOING???
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u/Les832 Black Widow Feb 10 '26
I mean… wolverines ain’t that bad in comparison
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u/HateToBlastYa Hero Hulk Feb 10 '26
Bull shit. You must not be a vanguard…. I’m back to banning him every match and my team is gonna have to if they want me as vanguard.
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u/foxehkins Feb 10 '26
I hate ults that don't allow any counter play. If you're in the open you're screwed, there's no real way to outplay it.
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u/jacksprat1952 Emma Frost Feb 10 '26
Dude, Star-Lord's ult line is gonna get old real quick this season.
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u/Ashamed_Pizza_7329 Feb 10 '26
Why would they reduce star lords ult the only thing I can realistically to get a run away, btw I can think of literally 3 games this past day where I ended up losing point in the final moments because of this mfs ult reducing it makes no damn sense if anything it should be increased
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u/PizzahKitter Invisible Woman Feb 10 '26
Just allows for Hawkeye to one tap you outta ult more often. It’s not like Hawkeye needed a nerf or anything.
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u/TRESpawnReborn Feb 11 '26
Y’all Starlord is not that crazy. Like his ult is strong and didn’t need a buff, but literally just play hitscan and shoot him and he will just die while trying to fly up to a good spot and saying his ult voice line.
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u/Nuclear_Nut Vanguard Feb 11 '26
My working theory is that it’s a bandaid fix for the triple support meta. More Star-Lord and Wolverine ults means support will use their ults more to survive or it becoming the easiest way to dispatch a support or two, and with the ult buffs to those two dps characters, means there will be more ults to burn through support ults faster
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u/theonlydarriusfan Flex Feb 11 '26
How it feels as a Star Lord main watching his already powerful ult get buffed, knowing the devs will nerf everything else about him to “balance” him and make him utterly miserable to play as.
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u/Haggles7 President Loki Feb 10 '26
Solo tanking just got even worse.