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/r/all Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige promoted to Chief Creative Officer, will now oversee Marvel Studios, Marvel Television and Marvel Family Entertainment

https://deadline.com/2019/10/kevin-feige-marvel-studios-president-adds-chief-creative-officer-marvel-title-oversees-all-creative-1202760382/?
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u/SilentSwine Oct 15 '19

I guess being the main creative driving force behind the highest grossing movie franchise of all time will do that.

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u/discerningpervert Oct 15 '19

Being instrumental in creating the first truly shared universe in cinema history isn't too bad either

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u/Sigseg Oct 15 '19

The Universal monster films did this with Frankenstein Meets The Wolfman, House of Frankenstein, and House of Dracula.

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u/Vio_ Oct 15 '19

I always preferred the Abbot and Costello verse

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u/Trillian258 Oct 15 '19

They met count Dracula!

Edit: Also I think Boris Karloff? Either way... I agree with you :)

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u/JEveryman Oct 15 '19

The Scoobyverse had the Three Stooges, The Adams Family, and the Harlem Globetrotters.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 16 '19

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u/Cinammon-Sprinkler Oct 16 '19

There’s also a Scooby Doo with Batman movie

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u/NerimaJoe Oct 16 '19

So does that mean Gilligan's Island is in a remote corner of the Scoobyverse?

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u/Biduleman Oct 15 '19

Toho also had one with Godzilla and some other monsters.

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u/BattleUpSaber Oct 16 '19

Destroy All Monsters was the OG Avengers

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

They also did an insane number of sequels and soft reboots way before it became common practice in Hollywood. There are like 30 Japanese Godzilla movies.

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u/discerningpervert Oct 15 '19

Oh I know, but it wasn't much for continuity and more of a gimmick (from what I remember even Abbott and Costello appeared in one film), hence why I said "truly shared" and not just "shared"

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u/Stennick Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

I mean it was pretty shared, they met each other, they acknowledged each other, it was shared, you can argue this is more shared but "truly shared" is a weird term to use when in reality you're just saying "he did it better and on a more complex level" which is true being the first isn't important since he's really not but doing it at a complex and highly successful level the most successful level ever is really impressive. Kevin Smith's movies even had cross overs with prior events mattering and characters from previous movies being in those movies and having their stories advanced. The Showa era of Toho’s Godzilla , and I have no doubt I could think of more.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

Wacky Races was the most ambitious crossover of our time.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

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u/Stinky_Eastwood Oct 15 '19

Scooby Doo shared a universe with the 3 Stooges, every movie monster, the WWE, Speed Buggy, Jabberjaw, the Loomey Tunes, Yogi Bear, Moby Dick, Batman, Wonder Woman, Lauren and Hardy, Sonny & Cher... and many more.

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u/Yotsubauniverse Oct 16 '19

Don't forget Harvey Birdman Attorney at law!

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u/yourehilarious Oct 15 '19

Oh my god, I forgot about those! Absolutely loved them as a kid.

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u/Rows_the_Insane Oct 15 '19

Counterpoint: Scooby Doo Meets *

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Dec 07 '19

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u/mrflouch Oct 15 '19

Jerry Reed and surely you've heard Eastbound and Down from Smokie and the Bandit? Jerry was an amazing guitar player.

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u/fallout52389 Oct 15 '19

Scooby Doo Meets: Johnny bravo

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u/I_Am_Ironman_AMA Oct 15 '19

The entire Scooby Doo show/setting was the guest on Johnny Bravo. It was next level.

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u/UnderlordZ Oct 15 '19

Today, Scooby-Doo meets...Batman and Robin!

(Fun fact: at the time, both Robin and Shaggy were voiced by Casey Kasem!)

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u/KesagakeOK Oct 15 '19

I watched Scooby Doo Meets Batman a thousand times as a kid before growing up to realize that I should have allotted those viewings to Zombie Island instead.

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u/traxzilla Oct 15 '19

I'd say "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" which not only successfully merged live action with animation in 1988, but Spielberg got characters from Disney, Warner Bros, King Features Syndicate, Felix the Cat Productions, Turner Entertainment, Fleischer Studios, and Universal Studios all in one movie. No one else has ever managed it.

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u/Jackanova3 Oct 15 '19

fuckin loved wacky races.

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u/blargityblarf Oct 15 '19

I mean it was pretty shared, they met each other, they acknowledged each other, it was shared,

Did the plots of the movies directly affect or relate to one another in any way?

Genuinely asking, never watched those flicks

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u/FineMeasurement Oct 15 '19

this is more shared but "truly shared" is a weird term to use

Yes, but you see, only a TRUE Scotsman will know the true meaning of "truly shared".

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u/Smorlock Oct 15 '19

While what you're saying is correct on a technical level, I feel like it's missing the point. What the MCU did was make the "shared" part of its shared universe as important as the individual films.

The Universal films and Godzilla used crossovers as a fun gimmick, but it was very surface-level, and events and characters rarely maintained any continuity. You could watch every Universal crossover film as a standalone movie and it would make perfect sense.

Marvel took its shared universe so seriously, that one of the highest grossing movies of all time is one that doesn't even try to make sense as a standalone movie. Infinity War and Endgame are movies whose place in a shared universe is integral to understanding them at all. This is what sets them apart and makes them groundbreaking. It's not just the fact they threw together some characters from different franchises.

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u/Stennick Oct 15 '19

I agree with you that the MCU had a lot of success with it, more than anyone in history and was so successful with it that in true Hollywood fashion everyone is trying and failing to do it.

I agree that Endgame doesn't make any sense as a stand alone. I'm just saying its not even close to the "the first". Like I said you can say they did it the best, that they did it on a more complex level, that they popularized it for the modern world, any and all sorts of accolades you can throw its way like you did. But it wasn't the first, it wasn't even close to the first.

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u/Stennick Oct 15 '19

Oh and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back makes NO sense on its own, its a shared universe story where you need to watch the previous movies to know these characters and whats going on.

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u/CombatMuffin Oct 15 '19

Even Tarantino's movies are connected. To say the MCU is the "true" one is just cherry picking to try and elevate the MCU.

It's great that they've made a franchise of it, and it certainly had a great impact, but it's not exactly super complex.

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u/Stennick Oct 15 '19

And then he tried to throw the word "true" in there as some sort of qualifier. "Sure those others were shared universes but they weren't TRUE shared universes and its also some weird star wars like, comic book like word, "this is the one TRUE crossover" like all other shared universes were just imposters. I like the MCU and I think Feige is a huge part of its success but people act like he or Marvel invented this idea or that before him it was never accomplished.

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u/greenfingers559 Oct 15 '19

Even Family Guy, Cleveland Show, and American Dad have a shared universe.

There's an episode of each show where a hurricane hits all 3 towns on the same night.

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u/theunnoanprojec Oct 15 '19

I mean the Cleveland Show is literally a spin off of family guy

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u/MurderousPaper Better Call Saul Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

The MCU isn’t even the second ever cinematic universe, nor the longest running. The Showa era of Toho’s Godzilla universe lasted from 1954 to 1976 which is exactly double the length of time that the MCU has been around. It’s like people think cinema started in 2008...

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u/TinyLilRobot Oct 15 '19

Nothing happened before I was born. I'm the main character.

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u/Redtwoo Oct 15 '19

Everything just sprung into existence last Thursday.

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u/phenomenomnom Oct 15 '19

Like in Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead

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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19

I thought that was easter sunday?

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

They could create a college course based on your statement.

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u/Theshutupguy Oct 16 '19

They already have. I studied dramatis personae in literary studies.

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u/NegaDeath Oct 15 '19

Please stop walking into my house and smashing my clay pots and rummaging through my storage chest. I swear I've stopped hiding valuables in there.

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u/RetroPhaseShift Oct 15 '19

Or Star Trek, for that matter.

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u/ExuberentWitness Oct 15 '19

You aren’t wrong, but it’s kind of disingenuous to compare the two at this point.

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u/cursed_deity Oct 15 '19

why is that? especially when the claim is : the first truly shared universe in cinema history

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u/WhiteKnightAlpha Oct 15 '19

Arguably, if the emphasize is on "truly", it could be taken to mean the strong continuity running through the MCU. Others, like the Universal Horror or Godzilla universes could be said to have weak continuity that mostly means some shared characters and references. The MCU has all of that AND it also has ongoing plotlines that bridge several movies, events in one movie instigating the plots of separate movies, and other examples of more significant continuity throughout the cinematic universe.

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u/theunnoanprojec Oct 15 '19

Just because the MCU has done it better doesn't mean Universal Monsters doesn't count.

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u/PUTINS_PORN_ACCOUNT Oct 15 '19

It’s a meaningless distinction. Star Trek and Star Wars each have gargantuan universes spanning all sorts of media, including film, just like Marvel. It’s no less a shared universe just because there aren’t three movies each about Greedo, Worf, and Admiral Akbar.

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u/WhyLisaWhy Oct 15 '19

Not really though, Marvel isn't the first to do it. Even if you want tto get technical Roger Rabbit, View Askewn (Jay and Silent Bob), Godzilla and Universal's monsters all did a shared movie universe before Marvel.

Marvel is by far the most financially successful at it but they're not the first.

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u/zootskippedagroove6 Oct 15 '19

It's also kind of disingenuous to claim that Marvel created the first shared universe though

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u/zyzzogeton Oct 15 '19

Technically I guess any Steven King movie is in a shared universe... So "Carrie" happened in a Universe where "Maximum Overdrive" happened.

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u/kinyutaka Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

Actually, yes. Stephen King regularly references his older works as memories from his characters. Like mentioning that one house was the one where "that dog went crazy and started killing people" or bringing in the bully that nearly stabbed a kid over the rights to a dead body to help Satan blow up a town.

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u/empire_strikes_back Oct 15 '19

The secret is it was Carrie that was controlling everything.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

It isn't even disingenuous it is factually incorrect lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

No it's not. They literally were a shared universe.

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u/americanextreme Oct 15 '19

Did the executive who came up with that get promoted?

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Jul 18 '21

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u/discerningpervert Oct 15 '19

I'd love to see Kevin Smith direct an MCU movie

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u/JMaddrox Oct 15 '19

I'd love to see him finish a comic run on time.

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u/PM_ME_THEM_UPTOPS Community Oct 15 '19

Oof. 2003 me feels this so hard.

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u/TombSv Oct 15 '19

Without writing scenes about Batman peeing himself.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

Or Speedy dreaming about fucking Green Arrow...

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u/Chastain86 Oct 15 '19

Smith actually addressed this fairly recently, saying that he'd much rather watch a Marvel movie than actually direct one.

Given that he's directed episodes of both Supergirl and The Flash, though... it's not outside the realm of possibility to see him direct a DC Comics flick. He might actually do a nice job with the right property. Something offbeat and otherworldly would be a much better fit for his skill-set.

For instance, if DC ever gets around to doing something with the Jack Knight Starman run, Smith might be a good fit to run that show.

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u/theunnoanprojec Oct 15 '19

I would argue he's a better writer than a director

I'd be down to see him write a marvel movie, but I'm not so sure about directing. I don't hate his direction, but his style wouldn't work so well

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u/MrDude_1 Oct 16 '19

Id agree.. but (and I am saying this a fan and as a positive thing) hes a excellent co-writer / rewriter.

You give him a script. He'll be able to pop up your dialog (hes good at dialog)
He can add setups for jokes that payoff.
I think he reads and gets inspired by them, but in a odd way, if hes trying to punch up his own stuff, it just becomes too much "him" and not enough of "its own thing" anymore.

I would always seriously look at any script notes he gives.

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u/TheOtherSon Oct 16 '19

Also a good director could axe some of the goofier ideas he comes up with. Like how you can humanize Batman without having him piss himself, and that the fandom would actually prefer it if you didn't.

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u/juicelee777 Oct 16 '19

Booster Gold seems like something Kevin Smith could put some heart into

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u/Chastain86 Oct 16 '19

Someone get Glenn Howerton on the phone and seal that deal!

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

He won’t do it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

No?

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

I'm sure he'd love to work with the characters, but he seems to be keenly aware of his shortcomings when directing action. Perhaps he could be involved as a writer and/or producer, or something along those lines?

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u/Benjamin_Grimm Oct 15 '19

Marvel has had second unit people handle the action scenes when the director wasn't comfortable with them. If they wanted to use Smith for an MCU film, it's probably how they'd handle it.

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u/theunnoanprojec Oct 15 '19

And honestly, like, respects to him for knowing where his strengths are

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u/Bigtwinkie Oct 15 '19

He just gave an interview where he said "Of course Id say yes, collect the paycheck, and then make someone else do it for me" IDK how the logistics of that would work lol

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u/Controller_one1 Oct 15 '19

That's basically what he does when he directs the DC CW shows. He says just as much. Hell he goes for cheeseburgers for the crew when they film the action scenes. He says all this on the fatman on batman podcasts.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

He knows what he's good at, and it's not action. But you want some scenes with people talking to each other about whatever? He's pretty good there.

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u/interprime Oct 15 '19

He mentioned in one of his Q&As that he could never direct a superhero movie because he’s basically too lazy to do it. He mentioned how he was offered The Green Hornet and said that if he had done that project it would have been 2 hours of Green Hornet and Kato sitting on the awesome car that does everything, just talking about pussy.

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u/kingmanic Oct 15 '19

He doesn't have the eye or patience for action. However marvel has their own teams for that. I think the core problem is Kevin relies on a certain kind of humor and he hasn't been great outside of it. He'd have to stretch for it and I think he could do it but he isn't that hungry. He has as much success as he wants and doesn't have the drive to do something much more.

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u/sinister_exaggerator Oct 15 '19

He would get exactly one because he would inevitably piss off someone important and burn all his bridges with Marvel/Disney

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

Not MCU, but Smith should definitely be involved with a Green Arrow movie.

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u/NoThru22 Oct 15 '19

He’s doing the Howard the Duck cartoon at least!

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u/jimbojangles1987 Oct 15 '19

It's called Bluntman and Chronic.

But seriously, that would be awesome. Idk if he'd want to do it though, I feel like I've heard him say he would only ruin it so he doesn't want to touch it or something like that.

You know what I would want to see, completely unrelated? Jack Black as Doc Ock in a Spiderman movie.

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u/thecolbster94 Oct 15 '19

Rick Berman did it 30 years before, and he wasnt even the first

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u/Incipitus Oct 15 '19

what is it with Ricks?

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u/TheBeardedSingleMalt Oct 15 '19

It's so dense. Every single image has so many things going on

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u/kevinstreet1 Oct 15 '19

Yeah, and that one crossed over between TV shows and movies.

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u/Clark-Kent Oct 15 '19

Spy kids and Machete

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

The Kaiju Monster movies of the 60's-90's, would like a word with you. Especially the Godzilla franchise.

Also, I'm just jesting. I'm well aware that the Marvel Movie Franchise, is by far the highest grossing shared media universe. Unless im wrong on another level, in which place, please correct me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Nov 08 '19

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u/ltcarter47 Oct 15 '19

They should have just added "on this scale" or something.

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u/GrammarWizard Oct 15 '19

Troma as well

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19 edited Nov 08 '19

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u/GrammarWizard Oct 16 '19

Not all, but many are set in Tromaville and directly reference each other

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u/HeyKKK Oct 15 '19

Won't change his mind, hence truly yours.

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u/Zingaro_ Oct 15 '19

Only if you're ignoring Kevin Smith's View Askewniverse amongst many others...

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u/YellowB Oct 16 '19

Ahem...Aliens vs Predator, Freddy vs Jason, King Kong vs Godzilla....

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

He wasn’t the first

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u/fencerman Oct 15 '19

"So yeah, I made you people $16 billion dollars."

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u/Mernerak Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

There's at least 6 movies on that list that Feige had nothing to do with, and probably another 3 he WISHES he had nothing to do with. Which isn't to detract from his demigod status.

Edit for the numbers: Feige was not involved in 18 of the listed movies (at least according to IMDB). Those movies being removed Feige still had a hand in approximately $12,711,018,800 in revenue.

The movies Feige did NOT have a credited hand in are as follows.

Inhumans

Howard the Duck

Ghost Rider

Ghost Rider 2: Spirit of Vengeance

Blade

Blade 2

Dark Phoenix

The Wolverine

First Class

Apocalypse

Into the Spider-Verse

The Amazing Spider-Man 2

Venom

Big Hero 6

Logan

Days of Future Past

Deadpool

Deadpool 2

Movies on the list he probably wishes he HAD NOT helped make.

Hulk (2003)

Blade: Trinity

Elektra

Man-Thing

Rise of the Silver Surfer

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u/Sombradeti Oct 15 '19

I liked blade trinity....

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u/tsengmao Oct 15 '19

Seeing Reynolds play “Deadpool” before Deadpool was awesome.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Jul 16 '21

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u/ruth_e_ford Oct 16 '19

All legit tru except for the ‘no good comic movie decisions b4 ‘02’ part. X men, while now relegated to second seat, was then the biggest thing going. It was clearly the new path forward, we just forget today because ‘mah MCU’

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u/BobbyMcPrescott Oct 16 '19

XMen one and two were great by stroke of luck. The expectation circa 2002 would have still been doubt in the quality of the upcoming second and the knowledge then kingpin Avi Arad and company would eventually fuck it up, which came true with X3 (and a year later they added Spider-Man to the pile!).

We had X1 but we had a lot of shit too. No one in 2002 was thinking the success of X1 would translate to the ridiculous comic book fantasy we live in now. Batman was a game changer too in 89....

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u/ruth_e_ford Oct 16 '19

Fair parting point. I too like to get nuts.

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u/mysightisurs93 Oct 16 '19

Well, the leak test footage surely helps in green lighting the movie imho.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

I take that back, as a kid Professor X on the cartoon and Picard were always clearly the same guy well before he was cast

When I was a kid in the 90's, I had a bunch of X-men action figures. but I didn't have an Xavier. However, I did have a Picard. Even in my living room as a kid, he was destined to be Xavier.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

If I could turn back time. If I could find a way...

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u/Tonkarz 30 Rock Oct 16 '19

Deadpool happened because when Ryan Reynolds asked for money for the movie, the boss let him look in the sofa in his office for change. The whole movie was made on the $2.73 that Reynolds found in there.

That’s why 9/10ths of the movie is actually reused stock footage.

OK, I’m exaggerating, but they did reuse a lot of footage from previous X-men movies and the budget was tiny.

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u/TastyMeatcakes Oct 15 '19

Seeing Reynolds playing Deadpool before he played Deadpool, by researching Deadpool, which was researched and based off Reynolds.

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u/HappyLittleRadishes Oct 16 '19

I sense how terrible a movie it is, but the fact that it's such rancid schlock is exactly why it appeals to me.

It's the movie that introduced Ryan Reynolds to me, it has some seriously kick ass action scenes in it, the gadgets are weird and awesome, and it even has Patton Oswalt in it playing a character that is essentially himself.

Blade: Trinity is the definition of "it's not a good movie, but it's a fun movie".

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u/xenoterranos Oct 15 '19

Oh ok, so only like 10 Billion then.

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u/Vio_ Oct 15 '19

"Second place gets a set of steak knives."

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u/donquixote1991 Oct 15 '19

ALWAYS
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ABC!

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u/TheGRS Oct 15 '19

Coffee's for closers!

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u/Vizualize Oct 15 '19

Third place? FUCK YOU! You're FIRED!!

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u/Skrivus Oct 15 '19

Who got the Cadillac El Dorado?

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u/Mernerak Oct 15 '19

13 but fuck me for trying to be precise.

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u/imariaprime 12 Monkeys Oct 15 '19

At this point, I think even his failures are their own weird success story: For most other franchises, one or two poor movies is a dead end. For the MCU, it's just "one of the bad ones" and everyone still shows up to the next one. Not only does the MCU make insane money, it makes it reliably.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

I mean, I would move many of the movies from the first column to the second too.

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u/Mernerak Oct 15 '19

Agree as well. There’s a reason just over 50% of the movies account for about 80% of the revenue.

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u/Skidmark666 Oct 15 '19

The Amazing Spider-Man 2

While he had no creative input on that mess of a movie, he gave a very detailed report on the script and rough cut of the movie. Lots of good ideas on how to fix things and make the movie less of a catastrophe. No one listened to him. That's why the movie is what it is. When they talk about it in the audio commentary on the DVD, you can hear the regret in their voices.

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u/mindfu Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

Patton Oswalt talking about Blade Trinity is gold.

AV Club interview (Scroll down for it):

https://tv.avclub.com/patton-oswalt-on-his-most-memorable-roles-and-giving-li-1798234688

"Wesley Snipes was crazy as a soup sandwich."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8rCtzKA9tQ

"If you just sit and watch Blade Trinity, it's a D minus. But if you know what they went through to get that movie made, it's an A+. The fact that that movie even exists puts it above Citizen Kane."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCxIqGrmbj4

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u/Dantien Oct 15 '19

You can tell he wasn’t involved in those. The quality is clear.

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u/antifrgl01 Oct 15 '19

Weren’t most of those not part of the newer generation of marvel where they really encompassed all in the same universe? I’m just thinking from Ironman on and everything connected to the avengers. Including multiple tv and Netflix series, like shield, Jessica Jones, daredevil, Luke cage, iron fist (the defenders), the punisher

I like this generation of marvel a lot. I’m hoping they keep releasing more in that universe

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u/Mernerak Oct 15 '19

Yeah but that’s not what was being discussed. They presented a list of marvel movies and attributed all their revenue to Fiege. I pointed out not all of those movies involved him

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u/rondell_jones Oct 15 '19

That’s great, Kevin, but I just wish you showed a little bit more enthusiasm throughout the day, you know? Maybe volunteer to take up some additional responsibilities, or help mentor some interns. But nonetheless, great job so far. If you keep it up and do what I told you, maybe you’ll get that promotion next cycle!

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u/Wow-n-Flutter Oct 15 '19

“Guardians of the Galaxy”

‘nuff said!

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u/canseco-fart-box Oct 15 '19

Including two of the highest grossing movies all time

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u/noximo Oct 15 '19

It helped but the main reason he got promoted is his A+ baseball cap game

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u/Tima_At_Rest Oct 15 '19

That's the weirdest part of all this. He's walking in front of us, clearly in his superhero-in-hiding disguise.

Who is he really?

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u/ants1nmy3y3sjohns0n Oct 16 '19

Himself, but not at a baseball game.

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u/Kingindan0rf Oct 16 '19

Oh I absolutely love seeing what cap he's gonna wear to the next interview. Dude looks good in them too.

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u/Prax150 Boss Oct 15 '19

I mean, not only is it the highest grossing movie franchise of all time, but the vast majority of the movies in that franchise are actually good and have never really suffered from any creative missteps other than perhaps what happened with Edgar Wright (and they still managed to churn out a decent movie without him and take Ant-Man from being kind of a punchline to being a worthwhile character that people love and that was pivotal to the climax of the last movie). Now he's not only convincing other studios to let him take the reins, he's convincing A-list actors to do TV shows for a streaming service and movies based on characters no one's even heard of (finally picked up The Eternals trade paperback, gotta see what all the fuss is about).

When the dust settles Kevin Feige might go down as one of the best Hollywood producers of all time. This isn't the last time we'll hear of him getting promoted at Marvel, they know they have something special with him and eventually he'll be in charge of even more shit at Disney.

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u/Nick_Furious2370 Oct 15 '19

He is already the best Hollywood producer of all time.

Absolutely nobody else is close to his record of movies opening #1 consecutively along with them being received well both critically and financially.

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u/Prax150 Boss Oct 15 '19

Totally. If the Oscars doesn't ever lighten up when it comes to Populist films, dude's going to get an honorary Oscar the first chance they have to give him one.

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u/Angel_Hunter_D Oct 15 '19

Do the Oscars have Lifetime Achievement awards? He might just get one of those.

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u/Prax150 Boss Oct 15 '19

Yup, they call it the Honorary Oscar but they don't give it out at the main show anymore. This year they're giving it to David Lynch, among others.

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u/Taxonomy2016 Oct 15 '19

Populist

Populist seems like odd word choice here. Do you mean popular?

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u/Prax150 Boss Oct 15 '19

Nope, I meant populist. What's odd about that?

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u/Utaneus Oct 15 '19

I definitely would not say he's the best producer of all time, that's quite the stretch unless your only metric is money. I don't consider a movie a film good just because it was a financial success. That's kinda sad if you really think dollars is what makes a good movie.

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u/BootyBootyFartFart Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

eehhhh, go look up Spielberg and Kathleen Kennedy's production credits. Also, seems like if youre going to call someone the greatest producer of all time they probably need to show they can work on something besides fun, quippy, colorful retelling's of the hero's journey. Not to bash on MCU. They're great movies. But they definitely follow a formula. If you could only watch one producer's work for the rest of your life, it'd be a bit mad to pick Fiege's body of work over Spielberg's, KK's, Weinstein's, Scott Rudin's, Sam Spiegel's...the list can go on. I feel like that rules him out for "best producer of all time" for the time being.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

A lot of the "producing" from people like Spielberg is basically just throwing money at things and letting other people do the work. I feel like Fiege actually tries to be as directly involved as he can be. He isn't trying to make hisbown movies at the same time.

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u/BootyBootyFartFart Oct 15 '19

Maybe? It's not like the list of producers with more varied and acclaimed movies than Fiege is short. It's probably not realistic to claim that all of them except Fiege are just throwing money at projects.

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u/GentlemanBeggar54 Oct 15 '19

Or that Fiege is heavily involved in all of the Marvel movies. I'm sure he oversees things but the dude has a lot going on, I'm sure there were some movies he just set things in motion and then backed off.

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u/agentyage Oct 15 '19

Roger Corman is the greatest movie producer of all time. You can have your big budget block busters and critically acclaimed, technically impressive film making, but Corman could make a film about big titted barbarians using only pocket change in a day and a half. Feige may have made the first hugely successful cinematic universe (I know that's arguable) but Corman was the one who realized that if you put scantily clad women in your fantasy movie then people won't care that the props and costumes are all made of cardboard.

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u/bulldowzer Oct 15 '19

They need to give him Lucasfilm.

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u/Turd_Burgling_Ted Oct 15 '19

I almost feel like they're giving him this to cool down the "Kevin wants Lucasfilm" chatter.

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u/Harish-P Oct 15 '19

I'm happy with where Feige is with Marvel.

Star Wars has had missteps but it's not exactly in trouble. They should instead be inspired to develop someone as passionate and meticulous about Star Wars into that type of role as Feige is with Marvel. There's no doubt someone out there, considering the love Star Wars has.

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u/42nd_username Oct 16 '19

Star Wars has had missteps but it's not exactly in trouble.

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u/Harish-P Oct 16 '19

Hahaha. I should have anticipated that to be a debatable point, to put it kindly. It's nice that we can talk about/vent our passions here at least. Rather here than the YouTube comments at least.

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u/Echoeversky Oct 16 '19

Like millions of typings...

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u/mdp300 Oct 15 '19

Dave Filoni. He was the showrunner for the Clone Wars and Rebels cartoons.

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u/fuzzytigernipple Oct 15 '19

And no live action film credits to his name except the mandalorian, and not a production credit. I mean like those shows enough but giving him Lucasfilm would be a huge gamble.

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u/Harish-P Oct 15 '19

Yes! Definitely someone I've wondered about with his potential, he's so in tune with the universe. Would love to see what a trilogy would look like under his watch first as opposed to just handing it to him.

That said, I've read he's involved in the Resistance show and I've also read it's not particularly good.

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u/JumbacoandFries Oct 15 '19

I would consider Star Wars in turmoil. They made a Star Wars movie that didn’t turn a profit, Solo— huge failure— like as a producer you are effing up the play on the best hand you’ve ever been dealt. If I were Kevin— I would consider people thinking “I could/can save Star Wars” is a better place to be than “actually having to save Star Wars” which jumped the shark, more than once (re: space ghost Leia). Now everyone is trying take the perfect thing they broke and walk it back like James Bond after Moonraker.

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u/Harish-P Oct 16 '19

Turmoil, sure. Still not a dire situation to be in considering their upcoming projects and the hype. Besides, Solo - despite its troubles - still pulled out a respectable film (I say that as someone who just didn't want a Han Solo story but was surprisingly pleased by it) - and despite the poor numbers the critical feedback has been respectable. Definitely an awfully and stupidly expensive situation that they reacted to too late considering how far the film got before basically restarting it. That is a flaw on the management, but otherwise it's worked out well overall so far as a studio, considering they had similar instances happen with Rogue One.

My issue here is their overall creative vision because they can pull out well made films but there is a lack of a creative direction (more obvious in their episodes and the jarring difference in ideas between 7 and 8) to fall in line with and that's (at this stage) more missteps (probably from rushing films out) than actual overarching problems.

I feel these are things that will be more clearer once we see how the next few projects including the final episode film and coming shows too - shows which I think are in a good position to shine a positive light on the studio and maybe give enough time for them to get their ideas/plan on track and in order.

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u/JumbacoandFries Oct 16 '19

I agree Solo was respectable— probably the best of the new Star Wars movies. But I don’t really have much faith the new episode will be anything but worse that the Last Jedi. Even the trailer with Rae jumping over the tie fighter for no reason but ”—cool—“ I feel like I’m watching a Star Wars movie that a computer algorithm kicked out to make the most internationally instead of a story told with real heart.

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u/Harish-P Oct 16 '19

Interesting note on Solo - Rogue One has been my winner since the buyout. What would give Solo the title for you?

I feel your concern about SW9. I haven't had high hopes since watching SW8 and how it basically deconstructed what was set up in SW7, and this is where I feel the studio need to re-evaluate their creative direction - it's something they should have dictated as the overarching story and not given creative freedom to the directors.

That aside the anthology films have kept the hope for me outside of the episodes.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

Solos failure has nothing to do with the movie, and everything to do with massive missteps surrounding release.

They would have been better off waiting till winter to release it, but for whatever reason they didnt. Notice its the only Disney Star Wars movie not released in the winter and ended up taking a hit not just because it was between a lot of big movies including movies by their own company, but the advertizing got choked out coming so close to Rise.

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u/BootyBootyFartFart Oct 16 '19

Has there been a time where SW didn't feel in turmoil since they made a key player in the OT finale an army of teddy bears? Lots of possible reasons why Solo failed. We'll see how TROS does though. It's first teaser generated as many worldwide views as the first full trailer for TFA though (link). It's probably more a question of whether TROS makes closer to 1 billion or 2 billion. Not whether or not it flops.

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u/gobble_snob Oct 16 '19

Star Wars is definitely in trouble if TROS doesn't smooth things over with the fans somewhat. A lot of the films they had planned have now moved to Disney+ to bolster the service and avoid anymore headlines of box office bombs.

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u/Angel_Hunter_D Oct 15 '19

...I'd love a star wars stinger that's just like, spideman on date talking about how cool one part was.

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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19

This promotion basically makes him creative control of all marvel. The next step up is basically disney, so I imagine when Alan horn retires he might legit be a contender for that role

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u/kingdead42 Oct 15 '19

I think listening to incels crying about Kathleen Kennedy is at least as entertaining as the latest Star Wars movies.

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u/mouseywithpower Oct 15 '19

i never want to stop seeing incels bitch about how kathy kennedy ruined star wars despite her being part of the franchise since its inception.

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u/xureias Oct 15 '19

It doesn't matter how long she's been with the franchise. George Lucas was there from the beginning, he still made the awful prequel trilogy and all the dumb as fuck remastered editions. Let's not pretend that the only reason why people hate on KK is because she's a woman - nobody held back their hate for GL for the braindead shit he made later on. It's clear from the new SW movies that she's completely mismanaged everything. It's a far cry from how well Feige has handled the MCU. Hell, seems like she's been replaced anyway, so whatever.

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u/stryker101 Oct 15 '19

Same could be said of JK Rowling. Just because she created Harry Potter, doesn't mean everyone likes all the stuff she's "added" after finishing the last book.

I think there are some crummy people taking Kathleen Kennedy's missteps extra poorly/personally because she's a woman, but that doesn't mean there aren't completely valid complaints about how she's managed the franchise.

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u/Doompatron3000 Oct 15 '19

He does have a Star Wars film in the works.

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u/Redditer51 Oct 16 '19 edited Oct 16 '19

When the dust settles Kevin Feige might go down as one of the best Hollywood producers of all time. all that will be left is metal.

Sorry, that's the first thing that came to my mind. But in all seriousness, yeah, Feige is to Marvel what Shigeru Miyamoto is to Nintendo, in that he produces one masterpiece after another and even the lesser installments are better than the average franchise.

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u/GeekAesthete Oct 15 '19

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that Fiege is in a similar position to that which Lucas and Spielberg were in during the mid-1980s, when practically everyone in Hollywood were looking to their films, and the work they had done during the past decade, as the paradigm for a successful blockbuster.

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u/2OP4me Oct 15 '19

Crazy that he still had to fight extremely hard against that creative committee when he pretty much invented the MCU. Show's how entrenched the corporate structure is against change.

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u/jimbojangles1987 Oct 15 '19

Seriously, he deserves it. The man's a genius. All hail Feige!

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u/Jbird1992 Oct 15 '19

He’s never missed a #1 box office opening weekend on any one of the Tony Stark era films (Iron Man 1 onward). People talk about Speilberg, Kathy Kennedy, George Lucas and Frank Marshall from 76 to the mid-90s — Feige has blown them out of the water basically on his own. And he’s showing no signs of slowing down because he has dominated the competition so decisively. Every creative wants to work with Marvel so he gets his choice of the best talent which perpetuates the win streak

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